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The Great Debate

I've always wanted to post a diary, but I could never think of a diary worthy topic. I think i may finally have one. I will try to do my best to not ramble.

I always have discussions with friends about what we think is the most difficult sport to play. Ive always said that it just has to be baseball, and I dont mean to act like other sports are easy to perfect, I just strongly believe that baseball is the most challenging sport you could play.

I am amazed at how difficult it is to hit a fastball coming in at 90 mph. And thats just an AVERAGE major league fastball, at best. Not to mention that its at your knees and on the black of the plate.

Then theres throwing a fastball that fast and in that good of a location. And throwing knee-buckling curveballs and changeups and sliders, all while not tipping the hitters off.

Then theres playing defense. Whether its catching that fastball and having to jump in front of breaking balls in the dirt, and we all know how unpredictable those hops can be sometimes. Or playing the hot corner and having a rocket hit on one hop straight at your knee.

There has never been any doubt to me that baseball is the ultimate and most difficult sport to play.

I remember having a conversation with someone telling them that there was no way that they could hit a 90 mph fastball. Not only that, but they couldnt even hit ME if they tried, and i could only throw about 80 in high school.

Im curious as to what everyone else thinks. I know Im asking a bunch of baseball fans so i might get some biased responsed but i know that many readers also follow many other sports very closely.

For those who skipped to the bottom to shortcut to the point of this diary: What is the most difficult sport to play?

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No question...
Basketball by far. Not even close. The only sport that demands superb physical condition combined with extreme skill.

You can get by in football on very little other than physical talent.

You can get by in baseball on very little other than a great skill set. 5 words: Cecil Fielder and David Wells.

Not saying that they're aren't great athletes in baseball (or that basketball is the best sport), but it doesn't take great athleticism to play.

MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Apr 3, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.
I understand what you're saying. But i dont know about getting by in football with little other than physical talent. You also have to be in pretty good shape to take the beating that some players do.

Football is tough to argue since some positions are relatively easy to play. And again i dont mean to belittle the difficulty that goes into playing football.

I think that the success of guys like Cecil Fielder and David Wells shows that baseball players have to be incredibly talented and have to do so much work to make up for their lack of athleticism or physical condition.

Glenallen Hill hit that ball 600 feet.

by BigDumbFace on Apr 3, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see that...
I in no way am trying to imply that football players have no skills, baseball players no athleticism, etc. I just think basketball combines the two in the highest degree.
MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Apr 4, 2007 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If its athleticism you like...
then you should vote for water polo.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Apr 3, 2007 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where the skill set...
is lacking.
MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Apr 4, 2007 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or just
requires you to be 7 and a half feet tall.

There have been some NBA players who have not been superbly conditioned athletes nor were they very talented, but they were tall enough to stand in the lane and just swat balls away.

by Josh77 on Apr 4, 2007 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heckuva point.
n/t
Ahh, finally...spring has arrived...

by Mark H on Apr 4, 2007 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you trying to tell me that...
Shawn Bradley didn't have mad basketball skills? It is to laugh.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Apr 4, 2007 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Shawn was a baller, but see
George Murehesan and Manute Bol.
"You call that pitching? This is baseball! Not tennis!" Ham Porter

by N Oakley on Apr 4, 2007 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where there is what...
three or four of those who don't have many skills? Yao has plenty of skills.

And saying Manute Bol didn't have skills is ignorant; he just had few offensive skills but led the league in blocks a couple times.

MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Apr 4, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is
just no way its basketball. I think you have to look at the college vs pros difference in the sports to see which is the hardest, and as we all know, baseball is the hardest to adjust to. You can become  a great basketball player straight out of High School, let alone college.

by luv4cubs2 on Apr 4, 2007 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BB
I played sports in High School. By far, (I played 2nd base)the sport that required the most all around athletic ability to play well was baseball.
"I lof to hit de home ron."

by Tekboy on Apr 4, 2007 12:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 different questions
i have this same debate with my friends. but it's really 2 debates in one.

part one is the question you're mostly asking - which sport is the most difficult to play in terms of skill set. the answer to that i would say is baseball. the difficulty of hitting good major league pitching is ridiculous. but combine that with the fact that there is next to no margin of error for most defenders, especially infielders, and baseball is the toughest. sure, some great hitters can be hidden in left field. but the fact that they're such great hitters already puts them light years beyond ordinary people.

but part two of this question is which sport has better athletes. and that answer is far and away football. when a 6'5", 270 pound lineman can run the 40 in under 5 seconds, you're dealing with the most elite athletes in the world. they're amazingly fast, ridiculously strong, and so quick. no one on this board could even survive a football game, let alone play competitively in one.

sorry for the long post....this is a favorite debate of mine, too.

by billywan on Apr 4, 2007 1:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

need to define the term better
Do yo mean play at all, play professionally or play at the highest level?

Hardest to do at all would be something like cliff diving that requires a certain skill and specialized equipment or a specialized location.  Anyone can go in their back yard and play a pick up game of baseball.

Play professionally at all really depends on the number of jobs available compared to number of people who play.  In that case, the hardest would be something like softball, where thousands of women play at the collegiate level but only a couple can actually make a living at it.

But what I assume you mean is what sport is the hardest to become a great player or champion.  Baseball is up there in this case, but I'd have to say the toughest is:

Boxing.

I think we're all aware of the kinds of training boxers go through.  On top of that, great fighters posses tremendous skill, learning to throw certain punches and combinations without dropping their guard and getting clocked.  Then there is the almost certainty that you will get repeatedly hit in the face and gut by an opponent who, according to the rules of the game, is trying to give you a concussion.  And of course, there is the possibility of death.

Did I mention that in order to become a champion, you (usually) have to convince the current champion to fight you?  If he declines, there is little you can do.

Now it isn't difficult to become a professional boxer.  Anyone can enter the ring, get the crap kicked out of themselves for a round or two, collect three hundred dollars and then legitimately call themselves a professional boxer.

But to be a champion?  That requires a level of skill and athleticism that few athletes in other sports even come close to approaching.

Go on.  I dare you to tell Floyd Mayweather that his job is less difficult than Alex Rodriguez's.  I can guarantee you wouldn't like his response.  Of course, this is Mayweather I'm talking about here, so his response would probably be to never shut up until your ears exploded. :-)

by Josh77 on Apr 4, 2007 2:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
I meant what sport is the hardest to play at such a high level.

Boxing is an interesting one. I dont think that i could be convinced that it is more difficult than baseball though.

I guess you could compare a boxers punch to the swing of a batter, since they result in the same thing, hitting something. Boxing has a much bigger target that wont move as fast or unpredictably.

Also, some boxers throw their punches so wildly that it seems there is little technique, whereas one tiny  mistake in a hitters swing could cause him to go into a month long slump.

Glenallen Hill hit that ball 600 feet.

by BigDumbFace on Apr 4, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this post.
There's no doubt that baseball is the hardest game to play, requires the widest range of skills. It may be true that sports like basketball or boxing or football, given the fact that they are more physically demanding, appear harder to play, but no sport requires as large a skillset as baseball. And it can be played well at the professional level by people of many different sizes and shapes, something that can't be said for any other sport.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 4, 2007 4:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have played most sports throughtout my day
And I have to say from what I've play and what I have seen on the professional level, it is a pretty close call between Basketball and Hockey.
Los Cachorros!

by Laven on Apr 4, 2007 7:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

boxing/ other fight sports
I'm not a huge fight fan, but I do watch occasionally, and I've always considered boxing etc. as the purest form of sport. Essentially, every athletic skill is required in these sports, from endurance, to power, to agility, to strategy, to coordination, to reaction time etc. all while interacting in an altered state of conscious from having your bell rung.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Apr 4, 2007 7:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball requires the largest range of skills.
I'm not saying that baseball requires the most athleticism. However, it does require the largest skill set and the most versatility. Baseball is not as physically demanding as basketball, football, hockey, etc. Unless, that is, you take into consideration that baseball players sometimes play 20-25 days in a row, and they might be playing in Boston one night and Seattle the next. That's extremely taxing, both mentally and physically.

One of the things I love the most about baseball is that it doesn't require a person to be a certain size. With football, while some of the best athletes in the world play this sport, there are a lot of NFL players that have very little athletic ability. Their training regimen probably includes working out a bit and eating a lot.

Then, I also believe that some of the best athletes in the world play basketball, too. It requires an insane amount of endurance, but, then again, it pretty much requires that you're of a certain height to play professionally.

With baseball, you'll find guys from from 5'4 to 7'0 that have an equal opportunity to play the game professionally. Baseball, for the most part, judges its talent on skills and athletic ability, not size.

IMO, baseball is the greatest game in the world.

Ahh, finally...spring has arrived...

by Mark H on Apr 4, 2007 8:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
that baseball is the greatest game in the world, and when it's played right is truly a thing of beauty....I hope we can see the game played right at Wrigley field in 2007!!......haven't seen it there for awhile.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Apr 4, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's hoping...
that we'll see good baseball this summer. I'm pretty optimistic about the kind of baseball that this coaching staff will require. I just find myself getting queezy every time the baseball is hit towards our outfielders...lol.
Ahh, finally...spring has arrived...

by Mark H on Apr 4, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hockey...
you have to have toughness, endurance, skill and must be able to use them all while wearing ice skates.
Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean...

by eamuscatuli1881 on Apr 4, 2007 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or if
you're a goalie, you just have to be fat.

by luv4cubs2 on Apr 4, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know about hockey.
Learning how to skate on ice isnt THAT hard.

I dont think you can compare anything that happens in a hockey rink to hitting a fastball, and hitting it well.

I think that if you went down the line and compared the hardest thing about both sports, you would see that baseball is a more difficult sport to perfect.

Glenallen Hill hit that ball 600 feet.

by BigDumbFace on Apr 4, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,
first let me say each sport has it's difficult skills that only extraordinary athletic people can accomplish successfully. Hitting a baseball is certainly one of them. Football has the physicality and the teamwork of eleven players at a time. Some of you may know me as a basketball coach. The one point I make defending the difficulty of basketball is imagine pitching while someone is guarding you.....or hitting. This is what makes basketball so difficult. Like I said, each sport is tough. What you all have missed with baseball is that there are little games within games, the situational parts of the game that players have to react to so quickly. Take the master (Maddux) setting up pitches games in advance, the hit and run and the player movement that sets it up and the knowlege that must be reactional in each situation. Baseball is tough, but so is each sport. Just don't send DLee us to guard me when I have to bat vs. Billy Wagner in the 9th inning!
I'm a bleedcubbiebluer!

by mrcubsfan on Apr 4, 2007 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think golf is quite difficult
at the highest level. think about it while you watch the masters.

by buckmulligan on Apr 4, 2007 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Golf is not a sport
Sorry.
"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on Apr 4, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm biased
but I think wrestling is tops. I don't mean WWF. I mean either greco roman or freestyle. Before you start with the jr. high "Wrestlers are gay" jokes here me out. It takes a great deal of strength to pull of some of the moves. At the same time you have to maintain the flexibility to work your way out of certain situations. You have to have great endurance to keep going for the full match. You have to have the discipline to watch your weight and in some situations shed a bit of weight. You have to have a good tolerance for pain, because believe me, that other guy out there on the mat is gonna try to hurt you. You guys can say what you you want about baseball and basketball, but I'm sticking with wrestling final answer.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Apr 4, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re
Try racing sailboats sometime.  Not only do you have to be in great physical shape, you have to be intelligent, too.

Within the context of the major professional sports, I'd have to agree with those who believe baseball requires the widest range of difficult skills while basketball requires the greatest physical conditioning.  It wasn't surprising that as great an athlete Michael Jordan was, he couldn't get above AA ball.

by Jed Taylor on Apr 6, 2007 2:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hitting a Baseball Clearly Most Difficult
Is there another sport in which a 70% failure rate can get you to the Hall of Fame?  No.  Lifetime .300+ hitters go to Cooperstown because squarely hitting a round ball with a round bat is the most difficult thing to do consistently in all of sports.  And hitting for average is only one of the many skills required to play baseball at the highest level.

ALL other sports are inferior to BASEBALL.

CUBS BASEBALL is who we are and why we BLEED CUBBIE BLUE !!

by wrigley1 on Apr 6, 2007 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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