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Yelloncard_tiny by Al on in Cartoons

That title goes for both parts of this post.

I really don't have anything to say about the disastrous 6-5 loss to the Mets this afternoon that hasn't already been spilled in the game thread. I was at rehab for my finger while this was going on, following it on my phone, and the physical therapist (also a Cubs fan) and I were both shaking our heads at how quickly it fell apart.

It's not good. I know things will be analyzed to death here and elsewhere; I know Lou's got to have steam coming out of his ears; I know there may be a shakeup coming.

I'm out of words. The reason this "recap" is posted in the Cartoons section instead of the Recaps section is because I have decided to give Mike, looking forward to this weekend, the last word.

Till tomorrow. Go Bulls.

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John McDonough
Nice if this paper tiger marketing clap-clap-clap team President would make an appearance given how things are going.  At least feed us some more of your hackneyed cliches and general b.s.  And what about Jim Hendry taking time away from his afternoon barstool to speak on the current state of the Cubs?  
"He'd been working the program very dedicated ever since he threw Little Paulie out that window."

by BlueMike on May 17, 2007 3:56 PM CDT   0 recs

Welcome back
Ryan Dumpster
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on May 17, 2007 10:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hey remember when mcdonough said
that we would win the world series here, im on the ground laughing at that statement right now,  500 dollars says blowpen throws one away against the sox, which is going to be even more painful than it was against the mets because sox fans have a habit of being the most annoying pieces of shit on the planet, i hate them more than our bullpen which is really saying something

by CubsBall2202 on May 17, 2007 3:58 PM CDT   0 recs

Well..
In my 30 years of living in the Chicago area it has always been the case of Cub fans looking down their noses at White Sox fans.  I've even done it.  But that all ended when the White Sox won the WORLD SERIES.  I don't blame Sox fans one bit if they rub our noses in shit after the way most Cub fans treated and mocked them and given how God-awful the Cubs remain.  
"He'd been working the program very dedicated ever since he threw Little Paulie out that window."

by BlueMike on May 17, 2007 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

which makes me so god damn pissed
because our management has seen that the sox have won and let it happen, they let cubs fans take shit from sox fans and cardinals fans because theyve won the world series, something i seriously doubt were ever going to accomplish because well were the cubs and for as long as we live we will be the biggest joke in major league baseball until we win one fucking championship

by CubsBall2202 on May 17, 2007 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
I travel to St. Louis for work every week.  Right now I'm sitting in an office overlooking Busch Stadium before I head to the airport to fly back home to Chicago.  In my two years of coming down here I have gained newfound respect for Cardinal fans.  I hate the Cardinals, but quite frankly their fans are the best baseball fans I have ever met.  Everybody in the office down here and in the condo I stay at know I am a Cub fan.  And none of them give me any crap.  Sometimes a little good natured ribbing, but never any crap.  Most Cardinal fans have heartfelt pity for Cub fans.  And interestingly enough, most Cardinal fans don't care nearly as much as we do about the rivalry.  I've even been to new Busch.  Only once did I catch any real shit for being a Cub fan.  And in that instance, the rest of the crowd quickly told the guy in question to shut up and sit down.  
"He'd been working the program very dedicated ever since he threw Little Paulie out that window."

by BlueMike on May 17, 2007 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why would Cardinals fans care
about a rivalry that's so one-sided?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is why...
... the Cubs/Cardinals rivalry is the best in baseball.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And that's why my boss who is a Mets fan
said after today's debacle, "I'm sorry."  Other team's fans have more pity than anything for Cubs fans.  It's hard to have a rivalry against a team that's always bad.  

by rlpete on May 17, 2007 6:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BlueMike
Have you been in the bleachers of the new Busch for a Card/Cub game.  I did last year for one game and it gets out of hand.  People were getting thrown out (that has to do with new rules compared to old Busch).  I am 29 now and for me it's a mix.  The older people I know don't give me too much shit, but the younger ones rail me.  And a lot do care about the rivalry because that's all they have going for them.  Everything else in St. Louis is 2nd to Chicago: football, hockey, food, attractions, etc.  I'm the one always saying how we don't care about the Cards, we care more about the White Sox.  

by cubfaninSTL on May 18, 2007 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In responding to this...
I have two teen daughters that enjoy my season tickets when I go.

However, the younger one frequently asks me "Why should I like them if they always lose?"

Honestly, I do not have a good answer for her.

We are brought up to WIN in our reality. OR be competitive, at least. Everything we program youth for is to "succeed", or "achieve", or "do the best".

Nearly year after disappointing year, the North Side baseball team cannot live to these ideals. So I completely understand her point of view and why she likes the White Sox a little more than the Cubs.

Just because I am obsessed and hope against hope that, "This is the year", doesn't mean she has to. Maybe she is better off not, then again!

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 17, 2007 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a word for people like this...
... frontrunners.

What happens when the White Sox start losing again? Will she start not liking them then?

Being a fan of a team doesn't mean only following them or liking them when they win. If that's what you want, go be a fan of whoever wins the World Series in any particular year. You'll be a fan of a winner every year!

That's not how it works.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Believe me i will always be a die hard cubs fan
but it just breaks my heart and eats away at me to watch them somehow lose games like today that over 28 teams in the league would win without question, im at a loss for words right now, ill never like another major league team than the cubs but right now its killin me to watch these guys lose

by CubsBall2202 on May 17, 2007 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's totally unfair
A frontrunner is someone who only backs a team when they win.  That's not the same as choosing to favor a team that wins as opposed to one that always loses.  The latter is just common sense, frankly.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, do what you want.
I'm a Cubs fan, win or lose, and yes, I know it's mostly lose. As does Jessica, I have other things I love about the baseball experience, and I have been ripped to shreds on this site and others as a result.

That's my choice. If yours is to quit because of one bullpen meltdown, be my guest.

I repeat my question: Had Dempster finished out the 9th inning today, you wouldn't have made all these posts, would you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Cubs
are my team win or lose. That's just the way it is. I don't think I could like another team.
"Come Monday of next week Murton will be able to compare restaurant menus in the greater Des Moines metropolitan area"...BlueMike..5/1/07

by sue369 on May 17, 2007 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought I answered that
but maybe it was in the other thread.  My response was that, no, of course I wouldn't have made these points if we'd won this game.  But, the way this team is and plays, it's inevitable that something like this would have happened sooner or later - almost certainly sooner - and I would have made the points then.  The timing is irrelevant.  What matters, unfortunately, is the fundamental truth in what I say.

All this said, I hope you're taking this in the spirit I am, which is not personally.

Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 18, 2007 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Winning draws fans...
Quite a few Cubbie fans that I know became Cubbie fans in years that the Cubs were good and alternatively when the Sox were bad.  

Does that make those particular Cub fans frontrunners?  

I don't think so.

If being drawn to a team when their winning is looked down upon, what about people who become fans of a team on account of the teams stadium or the fact that it's the place to be?

by DrCrawdad on May 17, 2007 9:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thankfully, I was in LA today
and didn't know of Thursday's debacle. But Al -- I have to contend that most baseball fans ARE frontrunners. In most situations, people don't show up if the team doesn't win. This, on the north side, as we all know is a one-of-a-kind situation. (Used to be two-of-a-kind, but the Red Sox moved to a different neighborhood.)

If you don't win in this market (San Diego) it's call-me-when-you-do. Better things to do here. I don't see the Marlins fans flocking to games, and they have 2 World Titles under their belt.

Fans of the Tribe started staying away when they started to fall back, the past few years. And, Comerica Park was empty in Detroit until they won.

Our neighbors up I-94 stayed away until now.
The Cell wasn't full of people until the ChiSox started winning. After the D-Backs' fall from Grace (no pun intended) attendance fell way off.

If the Yanks continue to falter, there will be empty seats in the Bronx. Shea is a ghost town when the Mets are not winning. I could go on, but you see my point.

At least Blackhawks fans are staying away from a bad, pitiful product. Maybe the rumors are going to come true on the west side, and (Dollar) Bill Wirtz might actually sell the franchise.

We can point and say 'frontrunner!' but -- so what? They can point at us and say -- "sucker!!"

And, they may be right -- unfortunately. It's not going to change what I do. However, when things go bad, especially in San Diego -- it's awful being at the ball park during a Cubs/Padres game.  Since they haven't won a game here since 2005, I might attend only one game during the upcoming set here. I don't need the frustration.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 18, 2007 1:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only the names have changed
Wasn't it also in Shea Stadium, late September 2004,  that the wildcard-bound Cubs blew a 9th-inning lead to lose a game that should have been in the bag?

Except we don't have LaTroy to blame this time.

by ChipSet on May 17, 2007 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Hawkins
It was a 3 run lead if I remember correctly.

by salparadise23 on May 17, 2007 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes
On a homerun by the legendary Victor Diaz, who has gone on to untold greatness.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was in a car
going to get married when that happened. Left for my honeymoon the next day, so I was lucky enough to not be around for the meltdown that occurred that week.
Len Kasper rocks.

by Matt Allison on May 17, 2007 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was
on Yom Kippur, so I was already faint from fasting. The loss didn't make me feel any better!
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 17, 2007 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was offered a ticket to Suday's game.......
$70 bucks........luckily I turned it down. It was eating me up earlier, but after today's game.....I won't pay good money to watch this shit.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 17, 2007 4:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Only internal HELP at this point...
Very, VERY unlikely HEndry engineers anything re a potential trade this early in the season.

AND considering that the club is SELLING, you can forget about anything substantial.

Many of you get over-the-top optimistic when the team wins ONE game: "ALRIGHT WE GOT A WINNING STREAK ON THE WAY!"

Unfortunately, the 2-11 Bullpen sees things differently...

No consistency. No confidence on behalf of the mgr.

Don't gimme the "we don't score enough late inning runs" bullshit, folks! As said in the last thread, the 'pen cost us from a 5-2 roadtrip to 2-5. Aardsma got traded. Howry could pitch last year - his velocity and command is down this year - so he is not an option...

Face the facts - .500 record will be a nice achievement. I hoped for better - but it will still be better than last year.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 17, 2007 4:10 PM CDT   0 recs

A Humble Idea
Posting this here again because it was buried so far down before:

Can we please, as a community, agree to simply abandon this team until they turn it around?  The team is up for sale, and it's the perfect time to send a message to those considering buying this team that we're just not going to put up with this bullshit anymore.  We will no longer stand by an organization that fails year after year after year to put a credible ballclub on the field.  I mean, really, how great would it be if the Cubs returned home to 5,000 people sitting in the stands? That needs to happen.  

Ok, realistically, I know it won't, but I'm thinking of building a website that urges all ticket holders to skip their games and (a) donate the time they would have spent at the ball park to charity work; (b) give the money they would have spent on food and drinks to charity; or (c) both.

Also, Scott Eyre needs to be given his unconditional release today.  You could call up anyone from A ball and not do worse.

Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Are you....
looking for Al to beat you down? ;)
"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 17, 2007 4:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If 98 years of bad baseball........
isn't enough to get people to stop going, then this isn't going to do a damn thing. People are just too seduced by ivy and singing the 7th inning stretch......baseball as a game just can't compete with that.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 17, 2007 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am.....
seduced by something entirely different.  I just hope it warms up this weekend;!
"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 17, 2007 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go ahead.
As I have written before, many times, boycotts don't work. Period. What's your website going to accomplish? A little PR for you, perhaps?

It won't make a damn bit of difference. Think about this: What if Dempster and Eyre had NOT blown that lead today? Would you have still had this idea?

Of course you wouldn't have -- the road trip would have ended on a high note and we'd be looking forward to this weekend.

Take a deep breath and recognize that as a fan of any sports team, you must take the good with the bad, and that there are still 123 games left in this season.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 4:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I told you.....
so.  I knew he was lurking.
"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 17, 2007 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I appreciate the perspective
but, seriously, "take the good with the bad"????  What good, exactly, are you talking about - aside from the occasional fluke year when this team is something other than awful.  Would I have proposed the website had the Cubs not blown the game today?  Probably not, but it would only have been a matter of time until some other astounding display of incompetence pushed me there.  The point is that this team is consistently awful.  This ownership has accepted that because they make money regardless, and unless the new owners take a different tack, we're in for another very, very long century.  It must stop.

And do you seriously imagine that I want to do this website as a means to get PR?

Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your deviating from the norm......
people don't like change. I mean I suppose the status quo is that you just go to games take the good with the bad and maybe.......if your lucky....1 year out of the 50 you'll spend watching losing baseball will be different.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 17, 2007 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

count me out
I am still going to games and rooting for the Cubs.
I don't want to go over this again. You can do what you want
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 17, 2007 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why continue to support them?
I'm not challenging you.  I just sincerely want to know what it is that convinces you this team is worth your time and loyalty.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Read what Al wrote above about frontrunners
Being a San Diego resident (born in Racine, WI) I am  constantly exposed to front-running fans.

You support your team regardless because that is what it means to be a fan.  Only one team a year can win the World Series.

by Kornchex on May 17, 2007 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have done this so many times
I love baseball, I love the Cubs. I love watching the Cubs at Wrigley.  I really like it believe it  or not. Even bad teams win a lot of games and baseball is amazing to watch in person

I don't want to on about how useless boycotts ( especially one of the Cubs would be) I mean they went out and spent a TON of money in the off season. Would giving them less to spend make them smarter or better ?

I am going to games. about as many as I can afford to fly in for.
I am sicker over today's loss than most of you because I have endure the Mets fans directly but yes tomorrow is another day
and I will be watching ( well actually I will be workiing and checking the score but you get the idea)

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 17, 2007 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I respect that point of view
and admire it.  It seems like you enjoy it for the artistry of the game, without regard to who wins or loses.  Wish I could get there.

As to your point about all the money they spent this year, it's not just about the money, it's about demanding accountability.  Firing a general manager who can't get anything done; eating contracts of players who can't get anything done.  They can spend money because they make it.

Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I do love baseball for its own sake
but not without regard to who wins or loses. I got physically ill
( a knot in my stomach) when I saw what happened today via internet scoring but yes I still love the Cubs.

I don't blame Hendry the way most everyone else does. He has done bad and good things. I am beginning to doubt Lou who clearly overmanages and is not handling the BP well. On Tuesday when we had a nice lead he put in Eyre who did a 1,2.3 ninth.
There is something about Dempster which seems to make him
incapable of pitching effectively in non save situations.

I think I have expressed my less than enthusastic response to everyone who knows so much more than Hendry or Lou and
gosh if they were the GM we would  have signed Tejada. Beltran
Ordonez and traded Murton, Jones,Howry and Eyre for Joe Nathan and Santana.

No one forces to go to games or even be a Cub fan. I have been at this for 35 years and I am sticking with it

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 17, 2007 4:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I gotta ask though
how does one manage THIS BP?  This BP that has absolutely NO pitcher that can get the job done on a consistent basis.  If we had even one, I would say pitch him until his arm falls off and in the meantime, find more.  I am fully supporting the idea of calling up others who can give it a try.  

I mean, how bad can it turn out?  At least if they can't get it done, we have a real excuse.  I myself, am having trouble watching this team.  And it hurts so badly because most everything else is looking good (for the most part at least).

I do hate this BP...that is for sure!

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on May 18, 2007 7:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You know something.....
games like this make me realize that I miss kerrysotherwife???????????
"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 17, 2007 4:11 PM CDT   0 recs

LMAO
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely right!
You can always predict what will happen!  The Cubs, on the other hand ... sigh.

How many days until Opening Day, 2008?

"No ballplayer's here because of the Mariners!" ~ Sam Malone

by Littlerock Rynofan on May 17, 2007 6:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Postgame
Anybody know where to catch video/audio of it?

by sackings108 on May 17, 2007 4:12 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm sure you'll catch
something on CSN in the Chicago Area at 6:30CST.

If its juicy, perhaps someone can post on YOUTUBE.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 17, 2007 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And I thought the Victor Diaz game was bad....

 Eeegads!

 What the hell was that?

 Well, hopefully, we'll get a good Lou blow up out of it. At least I hope we do.

 At least I don't need to go to Shea anymore. What a hole.

 What an awful game.

"I can't be held responsible for what I personally tell my goons to do...."- C. Montgomery Burns

by yahoodi on May 17, 2007 4:21 PM CDT   0 recs

As a Cubs Fan (yes I'm a Cubs Fan)

I'm truly the most disappointed for Guzman.

He pitched great!  The team got clutch hits and drove in runs only leaving 2 people on base.  He was two outs from his first MLB win and then...well you know the rest.

Either God or the Bull Pen must hate Angel Guzman.

As for the first quarter of the season some things have become clear.  Dempster sucks.  Eyre is done.  The rest of the Pen has no heart and chokes under the pressure when a zit faced teller asks them "Paper or Plastic?"

I think this starting rotation has a great chance of being something special.  The offense is starting to come around (even Izzy is hitting over .250).  But the pen has cost us at least 8 games this year.  If we could have held onto those games, right now we would be tied with the Brew-Crew.

So I have an Idea.  Move Guzman back to the Pen as the Closer.  His control has looked great.  He can over power people.  He's young enough that he might just NOT understand the pressure he would be under.  But the main reason I support this move is that something drastic must be done.  This Bull Pen needs to be shaken up and this is only thing I think they can do.

What are the other options:

1.) A Trade?

Well no a trade won't help because the cubs have nothing to trade to get anything of value back.  And with so many other teams looking for pen help this year the price would be way to large to pay.  So unless you want to give up Pie for an aging ineffective set up man (which this team has plenty of) no trade is going to help this team.

2. Help from within?

Sean Marshall could take over the 5th spot in the rotation which would let us move Miller back out of the rotation if Guzman becomes the closer.  Outside of that the only kid in AAA that could help is Rocky Cherry and he's not ready for prime time yet.  The other option is Kerry Wood but he won't be ready until the Rapture.

3.) Keep doing what we are doing and hope things change?

Please see the definition of insanity.

So why not move Guzman to the closer's spot.  It is better than most options and who knows it just might work.

Bad Beat Boys.  Today I'm bleeding lots of blue, too.

by MrDurden on May 17, 2007 4:26 PM CDT   0 recs

haha great comment on the paper or plastic
on a serious note though i completely agree with all of your other points, by the way does anyone know how samardjza is doing in single a? maybe he could one day be an intimidating closer, if starting games doesnt work out, kinda like a papelbon type, yes it is wishful thinking

by CubsBall2202 on May 17, 2007 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's not great.
Wishful thinking dude.

by MrDurden on May 17, 2007 5:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another thought
By the way, putting the bullpen collapse aside, does anyone here thing the Cubs offense has it in them to stage the kind of comeback the Mets did today - even assuming we could find a bullpen to face that was as bad as ours?  This team is just so inferior in so many ways.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:33 PM CDT   0 recs

If memory serves
They did it against Cordero a few weeks ago

by DTJchris on May 17, 2007 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe I've blocked that out
How many runs down were we?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on May 17, 2007 4:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think only two
but they showed life against a closer with a better track record than Dempster

by DTJchris on May 17, 2007 4:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was at work
Al, if you would have gone to therapy at my company you would have seen the ninth inning.  I was happy to work with a patient; if I wasn't, I might have thrown something and gotten fired.

by MerigoldBowling on May 17, 2007 4:36 PM CDT   0 recs

Oddly I'm not depressed or too bummed out...
 ...about this BJ the Cubs pulled today. I think that is mainly due to the fact I've given up on this season about a week ago. Officially that is, I mean coming in I knew this was at best case a team that could be competitive and if everything went right, they could contend.

 But it's been painfully obvious, since a week into this season really, that this team is too average to overcome it's weaknesses.

 Ofcourse the BullPen is it's biggest again. I do like Matt Murton, but it's clear he's not fit for the NL. He just simply is awful in the field. He's a decent hitter, when he's hot, but even when his offense is at it's best, it doesn't make up for his agonizingly painful Defense.

 Also, this team doesn't know how to win. They're just waiting for the inevetible collapse. When they do get a head, they simply for the most part, hang it up on offense and aren't relentless and tack on more runs. They pack it in.

 Moral of the story: Lower the expectations for this year and please stop talking about catching Milwaukee. If you follow my advice, then when the inevitably brutal losses like today continue and continue throughout the year, it won't hurt so much. There will be many more sequels to todays horror story.

by lemon20pie on May 17, 2007 4:52 PM CDT   0 recs

LOU'S REACTION ANYONE?
Can't wait or will miss CSN until 6:30 love to hear a brief synopsis...think I just heard a (too) calm voice on espn radio talking about how Dempster last time out threw the best he had all year...they said ump had generous strike zone earlier in game then Demp got squeezed on a pitch and just lost it?

He's blown 2 biggies now and this not even a "save'' situation...

I hoped to live long enough to see a Cubs World Series winner...I was optimistic after the '03 playoffs why not with the team and pitching staff we'd put together.

It's been straight downhill who coulda predicted this though? Wood coulda been a hero, in '03 (by winning Game 7 and erasing Bartman incident from infamy) and this year by being available to HELP this miserable bullpen!!

by writerinwrigley on May 17, 2007 4:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Broken record here
don't blame bartman...don't blame bartman....

Blame Alex Gonzalez for kicking a double-play ball during that same at-bat.

Blame Dusty Baker for doing nothing while Prior imploded.

Blame Kerry Wood for being unable to come up big the next day.

But don't blame bartman. I don't think he was pitching, hitting, or managing.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 18, 2007 1:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Glad
I missed this one.

That's all I can say.

by Josh77 on May 17, 2007 5:21 PM CDT   0 recs

So did I
but I'm still suffering heartburn.

by JFCubFan on May 17, 2007 5:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on May 17, 2007 6:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade Z

Cubs might want to consider trading Zambrano or risk losing him to free agency.  They could probably get a decent starter along with a quality reliever or twoor maybe some good prospects.  They would save millions in salary and wouldn't have to put up with his rantings.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 17, 2007 5:26 PM CDT   0 recs

at this point id be willing to consider
that, i dont think z is worth the money he wants, hes just not consistent enough

by CubsBall2202 on May 17, 2007 5:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

need to go in full fledge rebuild mode.
 The Cubs should sell at the deadline and unload everyone they can and get what they can. Excluding Lee and including Ramirez.I'd seriously rather watch a bunch of Minor Leaguers who go out there and give it their all instead of this collection of lifeless losers. I think he's the only untradeable on this team.

 Oh, fire Jime Hendry first though.

by lemon20pie on May 17, 2007 5:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No you wouldn't...
that's what we had last year, and it sucked.

by SouthernCub on May 18, 2007 6:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cubs-Cardinals
I beg to differ with Al.  I am a huge Cubs fan, have to admit that there is nothing like the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.  It is the definitive rivalry in all of sports. Period. All started because a Red Sox owner needed to raise some dough to fund his wife's play (or musical) and ended up selling a player named babe Ruth to the Bronx Bombers.  It doesn't get better than that!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 17, 2007 5:38 PM CDT   0 recs

The "definitive rivalry"?
That's sad, because those fans actually hate each other.

I'd rather have a rivalry like ours with the Cardinals, where there is at least mutual respect.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 7:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rebuild
The Cubs have been rebuilding for 99 years.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 17, 2007 5:48 PM CDT   0 recs

I like the fact...
...that Mike made the stereotypical White Sox fans look like charicatures of the Irish from a 19th century political cartoon.

Dave Geiser
(1/4 Irish)

by dvdmgsr on May 17, 2007 5:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Dave Kaplan was hilarious
today on WGN's recap of the game. He echoed my sentiments EXACTLY. "This sickens me!!!" He said he kicked his cubicle and knocked his man bag off the filing cabinet and broke his blackberry. I know just how he feels. If I wasn't at school in front of a bunch of impressionable middle-schoolers, I would have been doing something similar. Apparently there is no bottom to the well of spectacular losing the Cubs can produce. The sense of opportunities lost is what is making this debacle of a team so painful. Please, Cubs, please quit being so predictably awful..

by teacher tom on May 17, 2007 5:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Lou afterward:
"I don't care about feelings. Let's take feelings out of this."

Lou is a proud man and I doubt he's gonna give anybody, any slack for quite a while.

 There is still way too much loser residue left over from the Dusty era, and I truly feel for Lou and the task he faces trying to turn these people into winners.

Len Kasper rocks.

by Matt Allison on May 17, 2007 6:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Nevertheless...
... at least we have someone there who's TRYING to change that.

Can you imagine what Baker would have said after this loss? How many "dude"s would we have heard?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 17, 2007 7:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs