Open Thread: Cubs vs. Pirates, Wednesday 5/2, 11:35 CT
by Al Yellon on May 2, 2007 8:33 AM CDT
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PrintBefore we talk about the completion of yesterday's suspended game, which will take place before the regular game this morning (or afternoon, depending on the time zone you inhabit), a quiz.
Which of these is the real Pittsburgh Pirate?
(AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)
I have to believe that the Pirates players must be completely embarrassed every time they put on those jerseys. What was the ballclub thinking? They'd go really well with one of those paper hats with the golden arches on them. Can't you just see Jose Bautista, shown above after tagging Derrek Lee out trying to steal last night, settling down, and then saying, "May I take your order, please?" And just what color is that? Red? Orange? Even Len Kasper chimed in, telling viewers: "Don't adjust your TV set."
Horrid. If I'm the Pirates players, I think I'd have a mass burning of those shirts.
About what's been played so far in Tuesday night's game, the single most important blow of the season so far was likely delivered by Cliff Floyd, a two-run HR into the Allegheny River beyond the RF wall at PNC Park that has, at this writing, given the Cubs a 6-5 lead. This was after Ted Lilly had his first really bad outing of the season, blowing a lead that Alfonso Soriano had given him with a leadoff homer (talk about turning the page -- after a horrendous April, Soriano hit the third pitch he saw in the month of May out of the ballpark). The Cubs trailed 5-2 when their bats suddenly exploded with five consecutive hits. In order, they were: Cesar Izturis, single; Matt Murton, pinch-hit double; Soriano, double, Floyd's HR and a Derrek Lee double.
Incidentally, Lee has now doubled in seven consecutive games and has sixteen for the season -- that'd put him on pace, ridiculously, for 104 doubles for the season. That won't happen, but this bears watching: the major league record for doubles in a season is 67, set by Earl Webb in 1931. The NL record is 64, set by Joe Medwick in 1936. No one has hit 60 doubles in a season since then; Todd Helton of the Rockies came closest, with 59 in 2000.
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But before that, all eyes will be on the last two-plus innings of the suspended game. Before lights were installed in Wrigley Field, suspended games there in the 1970's and 1980's were fairly common due to darkness, generally following long rain delays; some memorable suspended games include the following:
- This 1978 game against the Giants; it was the last game that year in Chicago vs. the Giants, so it was finished at Candlestick Park a week later.
- This 1979 game vs. the Reds was suspended after nine innings. When it was resumed two months later, the teams played nine more innings, trading runs in the 11th before the Cubs won in the 18th.
- This 1982 game vs. the Dodgers wound up being the longest Cub game in sixty years, 21 innings, with the winning run scoring on a disputed play at the plate, pitchers Fernando Valenzuela and Bob Welch playing the outfield, and multiple ejections (read the PBP for the descriptions).
- In this 1986 game, Barry Bonds made an appearance -- on the date of the resumption, August 11. According to his baseball-reference.com page, Bonds' ML debut was on May 30, 1986 vs. the Dodgers. But technically, since all stats for suspended games are considered to have been registered on the original game date, his "debut" was really on April 20, 1986, as is shown on his 1986 game log.
- Future Hall of Famer Greg Maddux made his major league debut in the resumption of a suspended game, this one on September 3, 1986, the completion of a game suspended the day before -- as a pinch runner. Maddux remained in the game to pitch and gave up the game-winning hit, a home run by ex-Cub Billy Hatcher.
(a) A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if the game is terminated for any of the following reasons: ...
(5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead
Suspended game MLB.com Gameday
Regularly scheduled game MLB.com Gameday
Finally, the Mitzvah Project Auctions are live on eBay as of last night. There are quite a few terrific items, including baseballs from Hall of Famers Ernie Banks and Billy Williams, current Cubs Carlos Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano, items signed by members of the Bears including coach Lovie Smith, former coach Mike Ditka, Tommie Harris and Richard Dent. All the proceeds are for a good cause, too.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Explain to me...
And to comment on your note, Al, why did TWO teams switch to this horrible looking jersey color wheel - the D-Backs AND the Pirates? Gross.
Dan
Yes.
The D'backs uniforms aren't so bad, except that they look like the Astros.
That Pirates jersey is just embarrassing.
I don't really understand...
Dan
Did you see.....
by bigjoel on May 2, 2007 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks...
marquis
How about the 14:13 K:BB ratio? How about his .233 babip?
How bout...
Exactly.
ok
There are a bunch of red flags with marquis. wrigley will not be friendly to him in summer.
Where did you get that ratio?
Look, I grant you that Marquis sucked in 2006. I don't see the red flags; I see every indication that he can come close to his 2004 production.
Which would be just fine.
choices
I can tell. Sometimes we make those choices.
His '04 was a fluke. and his '06 was a little unlucky. the truth is that he's been lucky so far, balls are not falling for hits, and fly balls have not been leaving the park. he's still putting guys on base at '06 rates and still allowing a lot of people to put the ball in play.
do you know the difference between '04 and '06? 5 more walks, 6 more hits. but many (9) more of those hits went for homeruns, and he struck out 42(!) fewer batters. the key to his '04 success was luck and a much better 2:1 K:BB ratio.
this season he's got the luck, but not the K:BB ratio. i guarantee things go sour for him at wrigley in the summer. guarantee. and if he doesn't get hurt he'll post a 4.9 - 5.1 ERA.
the red flags are there.
for the stats i'm using the best baseball site on the web, fangraphs.com
Great posts.
I hope Marquis holds on to his luck, and I totally agree that fangraphs.com is fantastic. Everyone should go have a look.
Dumb?
Honestly, I wouldn't care if Marquis gave up seventeen runs a game, if the Cubs scored eighteen for him.
Wins are what matters.
Let me clarify...
Does Ted Lilly suck because the Cubs lose games he starts and give him poor run support? If Rich Hill kept pitching like he did in his last start is that horrible because the Cubs lost? No. I'm glad the Cubs are winning, but wins=great pitchers unless the wins match stats showing success.
I must go to class, so I can continue this discussion later. :)
I understand what you're saying.
Marquis did that lastFriday. One of the posts above refers to his K/BB ratio, and one of the reasons it's so bad is that he struck out no one while walking three that day. But he allowed only three runs, and the Cubs won. That's the mark of a good pitcher.
I've never...
Would anyone REALLY argue that Clemens wasn't a good pitcher given that he one only 12 games?
If a guy wins 15 games with an ERA of 8 simply because he had run support of 10 runs per game, that is not a good pitcher. I'd take the guy with 10 wins and an ERA of 3 who just got poor run support. All offenses being equal, that second pitcher is the WAY better pitcher.
I see your point, but...
I made a post here more than two years ago talking about how Kerry Wood's 2002 season didn't look so great because the bullpen blew no fewer than seven games in which he left with the lead in the sixth inning or later. Wood could have been a 19-game winner that year and all the talk about how he "couldn't be a big winner" would have ceased.
doesn't make sense
You aren't talking about the pitcher having a good game you are talking about the team having a good game. Are you just simply describing the "quality start?"
If a guy goes out there and allows 5 runs in 5 innings all year long, but his team always scores 6, and he finished the season 32-0 you'd said he pitched well, was a good pitcher and had a good season?
How well a pitcher pitches has zero, absolutely zero, to do with what happens in the other half of the inning.
there's
- great... nobody reaches base
- good... few people reach base
- bad... lots of people reach base
- terrible... everyone reaches base
Poor logic...
Also, you're saying that Marquis has pitched great so far. No one is arguing that he's had great results. The argument is that he's succeeding despite indicators that, over a larger sample, will result in poor performance:
- Having a low BABIP is evidence of either being effective in preventing hits, or getting lucky on batted balls.
- Having a low HR/FB percentage is evidence of being lucky that more balls haven't left the park.
- Having a poor K/BB rate is evidence that either you walk too many or you let too many hitters put the ball in play.
I get into these discussions all the time...
You see numbers on a page. I see a guy who's rejuvenated in a new situation, who's winning when he doesn't have his best stuff and his "numbers" aren't great. That provides a psychological boost that cannot be measured on a stat sheet, regardless of how good fangraphs is (and yes, it's a good stat site).
Where is your "proof" that Marquis' 2004 season was a "fluke"?
In any case, I believe the change of scenery has done him a world of good. I have every confidence that he can repeat his 2004 production, which would be far better than most 4th or 5th starters.
Time will tell whether you're right or I am.
Amen, brother...
You know how Wood/Employee..
Dan
They need a
by Me and Lou WS 07 on May 2, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i get into these discussions all the time too
this is no bridge for crossing that chasm. and it's fine, we don't need to.
In any case, I believe the change of scenery has done him a world of good.
I don't doubt there could be some truth to that. And who knows maybe he'll turn his season around and be the pitcher you think he is.
You said:
So many of you think Jason Marquis is going to blow up and be the pitcher who sucked last year. There's no sign of that so far
I disagree with that. You feel and observe that there's no sign that Marquis is going to blow up. I can't debate that. But I can offer my opinion and point to all sorts of quantified observations that support that opinion.
as for this:
Where is your "proof" that Marquis' 2004 season was a "fluke"?
let's not go there. my proof is numbers. and when someone puts the words proof and numbers in quotes, well, clearly thats a dead end.
I'll gladly talk about why Marquis won't sustain his success, if you want to. But i get the feeling its not a conversation you are interested in having. Even if i leave out the numbers.
So yes, "time will tell"
the trouble with numbers
but the trouble with the numbers for me is three fold;
- most, if not all stats don't take all of the variables into account. baseball is just too complicated for iron clad facts to be pulled out of every number.
- the numbers guys change their own findings every year.
- i just think it's very difficult to extrapolate too much future performance out of the numbers. baseball, by its very nature is about exceptions to rules!
as an example, say the cubs score 11 in the first inning. and marquis, who has a sore arm and no feel for his sinker, goes out and pitches 8 innings, giving up 9 runs. the stats say he sucked. the game says he saved his bullpen, pitched through a bad day, and most importantly, helped his team win. so who's right?
my question
it's a lame rhetorical question, sorry.
no worries
don't you think?
well, that's the thing
so they can both kind of be right.
i mean, what if he knew he had an 11 run lead and knew he was tired, so he didn't throw his best curve ball to protect his elbow. how can the numbers account for that?
he pitched well enough to win
the only thing that means is "he didn't lose the game."
you are not saying he didn't suck, you are saying the cubs didn't lose. you aren't separating his performance from the result. that's not analysis, that's observation.
you can say:
- he sucked
- he pitched 8 innings
- he pitched cautiously to protect his elbow.
clearly we have different definitions of pitching well, which is fine. it happens all the time. unfortunately though, we can't talk about pitching performance.
so i guess what i'm trying to get at...
because yes, objectively speaking, from a stat based perspective, he pitched horribly. but so what? what does that tell us, really?
i really don't have an answer. and i'm really not smart enough to have this conversation fully. it's just that something bothers me about a lot of purely statistical points of view. it's not that they're wrong...it's just that they're beside the point sometimes, you know?
follow
that makes perfect sense. if you know that marquis is purposefully pitching poorly because he has a huge cushion that makes the stats far less relevant. but it doesn't mean he pitched well. to determine whether someone pitched well or not you don't look at their intentions you look at the results. 9 runs over 8 IP is bad. doesn't matter that he was trying to pitch poorly.
or are they both useful?
clearly they are both useful. to me there are two camps, the ones who ignore the stats and the ones who don't. the ones who don't ignore stats have much better success in predicting future performance.
but I still..
Additionally, for a relatively young pitcher(Marquis), regression to the mean is not a "guarantee." Too many variables.
guarantee
How about i say i "predict" a 4.9-5.1 ERA for Marquis by season's end?
Nobody is arguing that the things, other than performance, that a pitcher brings to the table are not valuable and worth taking into account. that's not part of this discussion.
Al said that there is nothing to indicate Marquis will regress to being a bad pitcher. I'm pointing out the facts that support the opinion that he WILL regress to being a bad pitcher.
Marquis not regressing toward his mean would be the exception. Too many variables.
Are you agreeing with Al, then? That nothing Marquis is doing is indicative that his current success in unsustainable?
No...but
guarantee
that means i was exaggerating to make a point. you're confusing facts and predictions by comparing them.
It's not black and white where it MUST be one or the other.
Nobody said it was. there is lots here to debate, there is no reason to make up arguments. My point is simply that there are signs that show marquis will regress. throw out the prediction that he will. the signs, the facts, still exist.
After a few games like today, the signs may disappear, but as of this morning, a low HR/FB%, and low BABIP, and a low K:BB were all indicators that a regression would likely occur.
To say those facts don't exist is to choose to ignore them, which is what al is doing.
I'm back.
Also, wins are a team stat. No matter what, they are a team stat. Some players perform to such a high level that sometimes its arguable that they can control and win the game by themselves. However, I think that rarely happens. You need help from everyone to win a game. The only time I think it would happen is if a pitcher threw a complete game with 27 K's and he hit homeruns. I'm not sure if that's ever happened, but that's the only time I would consider a win and individual thing.
Marquis right now is clearly getting helped by his team if stats show he is being lucky. If he weren't being lucky he would be dominating, and I don't think anybody here would say that. Although by the stats, he just finished a dominating game. I didn't see it, so I have no idea if there were a ton of rockets hit or good defensive plays to help him out. Just to add, ANY pitcher can have a good game. I'm extremely happy that Marquis is pitching like this.
I understand that stats do not mean everything, and I think there are very few people who actually believe that. It's just that stat give you stronger support for an argument because they are facts. The number of hits given up by a pitcher is a fact. The number of runs a pitcher gives up in a game is a fact. Sure some of those hits could be bloop singles, but some of the outs are extremely hard hit balls. Just guessing and putting gut feelings down is not as strong of an argument. That's why usually those arguments look very flawed in my eyes and not very believable.
Thanks...
Good discussion all around, and I just wanted to note that nobody attacked each other so debates and no name-calling do/can happen.
agree with the good discussion
Absolutely.
I would say...
I don't really know if he would say that, but that's what I would say. Like I said in a previous post, ANY pitcher can have a great game. We have seen that countless times when horrible pitchers pitch against the Cubs. Does that outing make them great? No.
fabulous game
Now the statistical analysis. The 5 Ks no BBs was huge. His K:BB rate is now in the '05 range, which i would guess is closest to his true talent (his '05 season). He kept up the GBs which will be key to his success. And his GB/LD/FB stats are also in line with his '05 season. He survived a HR to get his HR/FB rate to a saner 5.0%. His LOB% is a pretty high, in line with with his '04 season. But that's mostly luck, especially when you are walking edmonds or duncan to get to Pujols... that, i guarantee, is NOT "being careful."
He's not pitching at '04 levels yet, but with the outstanding game yesterday his season so far is looking like '05.
I still worry that at Wrigley, in the warm summer air with the wind blowing out he's going to have a lot of trouble keeping the ball in the ballpark. If the cutter isn't cutting Marquis is an extremely pedestrian pitcher.
I'm still guessing he's the pitcher he was in '05, and with the Cubs defense and the home field disadvantage he ends up with a disappointing season. But after yesterday's game, i'm less certain of it, and if he'd pitched his season so far against any top half teams offensively then his season so far would even be more convincing.
In summation, signs of implosion still there but fading.
Okay, so...
All right...no more ranting.
i'm no stat head
anyway, there's a reason the saying "there's three kinds of lies. lies, damned lies and statistics" is so popular. the number of runs a pitcher gives up in a game is indeed a fact. the predictions and extrapolations based upon that number are where things get fuzzy.
in fact, to borrow your words, i would actually equate "gut feeling" arguments with "regressing to mean performance" arguments. neither argument is nearly as bulletproof as it pretends to be.
i think the other thing i react to in purely stat driven arguments about why a guy playing great is just a fluke is that they just spoil some of the fun of being a baseball fan. i love early season streaks. i love guys performing above and beyond their history. i love career years. i love thinking that a rookie who is 4 for 10 is gonna be the next ted williams.
but again, in general, i think stats are useful. just not always the end all be all of arguments.
Stats aren't everything.
I'm also a former mathlete, and I'm currently in an AP Stats class. I'm no stat head either. I love everything you mentioned on your list.
I just strongly believe that the gut feeling does not have a base, but the stat 'gut feeling' does have a base. I think that people who say that Marquis will eventually go back to his normal self have 'evidence' for their way of thinking/prediction. The gut feelings could be seen as random guesses. I see them that way sometimes.
I mean people feel that a change in scenery can improve player performance, but why do they think that? Do they have actual proof? No because that stuff can't be measured therefore nobody knows the true effect it has. That's why that's more guessing than stats. If a pitcher is winning, but the OBP against him is very high, we know it's been proven that the more people on base you get the more runs you score. That's why people could predict that eventually those runs will come around and score.
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Any projection is, unless you're god, essentially a guess. The question is the quality of the guess. A good forecast speaks to what is most likely to happen, and is supported by an analysis of the past because the simple fact is that prior performance is the best predictor of the future. It is, however, no guarantee.
Marquis, so far, has great primary and secondary numbers. But it's not foolish to temper our expectations of what's going to happen when the wind is blowing out at Wrigley and some of those balls being put in play fall for hits, because it would be unusual for Marquis to maintain these numbers throughout the season.
The question isn't settled by presenting an extreme example that might happen once a season. It's the pitcher's aggregate performance in the role he's hired to play, and that performance is measured by numbers that remove the effect of his team's offense.
Now, one might argue that the knowledge of his team's offense might affect a pitcher's performance (you can groove the ball and take your chances when you have confidence in your hitters) and that there's no way to quantify this effect. I would suggest that whatever this effect is, it's so minimal that even if we could measure it, the analysis with it and the analysis without it would be essentially the same.
We can do the analysis without it. And that analysis says that even if Marquis keeps his BBs down, his style of pitching is going to lead to giving up more runs that he has so far. That information tells us that Lou needs to figure out which lineup gives him the best chance to score a bunch of runs and use it when Marquis pitches. He can save his small-ball guys for when Z and Hill pitch.
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If Marquis wins 20
I was in the camp that thought it was a good chance to take and only had a problem with the years and money.
He could be about to be added to the endless lists of guys who just needed a fresh start.
by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Winning 20...
I'd settle for 13-15 wins and an ERA in the 3.75-4.15 range from Marquis. That'd be well worth the money, and I think he is eminently capable of such a record, especially given the good start he's had.
amen to the amen
This is not to say that stats are not important. they are. but i believe there are other factors that are at least equivalent to the importance of stat-based analysis.
i think Marquis is doing great so far and i hope he can keep it up.
GO CUBBIES! Let's win two today!!!!!!
"Chemistry and attitude
I completely agree, but in the end this would appear in the stats.
If change of scenery and chemistry were the reason for Jason's early success than he would have the same "classic stats" (wins, era) without that low babip.
Here is where the numbers tell you that, no it's not that he's reverted to 2004 form (which all in all was a good year for him) but more so that he's been lucky. And luck turns.
We'll see...
by Chitown Mojo on May 2, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Fine man...
Dan
re: Give up on who????
Correct
Dan
I'm doing both...
re: Correct
I have little doubt that, just like nearly every starting pitcher, Marquis is going to have some rough outings this season. But until he starts failing the team on a regular basis, I see no point in slamming the guy. Thus far, he's shown incredible mental toughness and helped give us a lot to cheer about. (Hello? Two wins against the Cardinals.)
I think this is a good example of the different psychological approaches we all take, as fans, to the game of baseball. Some of us look to stats-based cynicism to prepare us for the inevitable bad times, others prefer to keep it positive until we actually have something to bitch about. I don't think Marquis has given us anything to bitch about just yet.
The Cardinals mention...
Dan
I must have been confused,
One thing that seems a good indicator to me is his performances against the Cards. Had he blown those, we would have cahlked it up to "well, the psychological pressure...". But he didn't so let's chalk it up to "the man is going to turn it around here in Chicago cause change of scenery sometimes does improve a players performance".
by Kinky Reggae on May 2, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Marquis
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Win two today
Last night's downpour...
Let's hope He changes His mind today.
I've heard..
I envision God...
:)
Counter
Uniforms
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks, Al ,,,
In other words, keep that garbage in batting practice, if one insists upon those awful, untraditional colours.
But all of that fashion-sense aside, I almost turned the game off, thinking the Cubs would not be able come back ... of course, we don't know the ultimate outcome of the match, but that had to have been a psychological victory for the men in blue. Well, I hope it was!
Go, Cubbies!
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 2, 2007 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
And...
Red's a good accent color on a uniform, or even as a main team color (Cardinals, Reds). Just don't overdo it.
I agree on the Uniforms....
If we had a real commisioner, he would have halted the game and ordered the Pirates to change. That or he would have made all the pirat players drive to PNC park in a Volkswagon Bug....
Where were the stats that said "Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan are going to win a world series" there aren't. Marquis has been doing fine and we should be enjoying the fact that he's keeping his sinker down and winning and not complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet.
Go Cubs.
I was @ the bar watching...
One was a throwing error
Dan
Playing terrible
Another example of a decent veteran talent coming to the Cubs and proceeding to suck at all time levels of suckage. What is it about wearing a Cub uniform?
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
well,
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
As you can see from my signature...
by Kinky Reggae on May 2, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The suspended game rule....
well, if it was just "over"
by buckmulligan on May 2, 2007 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
If they used the old rule
No reason to be pissed...
- suspend the game and have a chance to win today, or
- call the game, and have us lose, because they'd wipe out the top half of the inning and go back to the last complete inning (when we trailed 5-2).
You can be pissed that the rain came 10 minutes too early, before Howry could complete the 7th without giving up a run. And you can be pissed that we didn't get those runs earlier in the game. But there's really no grounds for being pissed about the rule that saved us.
Really?
I know I wouldn't.
The rule as currently constructed is fair to both teams.
by SuperContext on May 2, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, I admit.....
Well, they won.
Wouldn't it make more sense to play six innings the next time rather than nine?
I think all scheduled games should go nine innings (or 8 1/2 if the home team is ahead). Everything that happens on the field should "count", i.e. not be wiped out for weather.
I'd guess the Indians and Mariners would agree with this concept.
Re
And it also means that you have to adjust your strategy if you think a game is going to get called early and/or go into an extended delay.
Besides - how often does it happen? The DH needs to go much sooner than this 'problem' needs addressed.
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Agreed on the DH.
They never should have started, but given that they did, they should have played five innings to make it official, given the rules in place now.
If they'd been allowed to suspend it, the four innings could have counted, instead of starting over.
JMO.
i'd like to see lou do something creative...
What's up with Gameday Audio?!
re: On a mostly unrelated note...
tough day.
by buckmulligan on May 2, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely beautiful play on words...
by Kinky Reggae on May 2, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if the headline writer...
LMAO at the headline.
A corpulent guy like him
by Chitown Mojo on May 2, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Ugh...
by Shawon O Meter on May 2, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
So to bring us up to date...
Yup
Interesting.....
The interesting thing is b/c Mad Dog was pitching (and pitching well), it was really about an average day at the ballpark. Combined probably didn't last longer than 3 hours.
The game is underway
wonder if
Has anyone ever recorded two saves in one day?
actaully happen two weeks ago
i no..
Thanks, Bob
Fox sports
2B for Jones, he's hot
Wrong side of the diamond, Mark
keep it comin dat...
DeRosa and Izzy both GO
Orange Guy at the plate
2B for JJ, now.....
Bottom line: We need a sweep today, finishing off yesterday's big W and going from there..won't be easy vs. Pitt. starter this PM.
Jones scores on a hustling play on inf. ground single by ....not sure.
by writerinwrigley on May 2, 2007 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
Nice base running by (gasp!)
Jones scores
and its nice
ORANGE GUY COMES THROUGH!!
JJ and Murton
Pie running for Murton
Murton ..and finally some OF production
Is Snell a lefty? If he's righty will be interesting to see who Lou plays--and who he benches--in the afternoon...all 3 of Jones, Floyd & Murton deserve some PT.
by writerinwrigley on May 2, 2007 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
Soriano
too bad fonz hit that to the absolute deepest
The game didn't completely
They're playing Danzig?
sounds like misfits now??
Cesar....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Ohman...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
re: Ohman...
This is what is known in the business as...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought ohman was doing better this year?
OK...he go LaRoche the lefty...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
well as long as he is limited to one pitch a game
Ohman is done...
Doing Better?
IS he taking continuing ed. classes on weekends?
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
Here comes THE RIOT!!!
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
Comcst's poll question was--
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
A balk?! No f**king way
N.I.C.E. play!
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
phew...
7-5 Cubs
Theriot with a double
woo hooooo
Theriot get another hit....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
I'd sacrifice a one-run win...
(Huh?)
ok boys
re: ok boys
YES!
Lee
hey it is me
Those Ronald McDonald uniforms are so ugly.....
On the subject of unis, congrats to the Cubs for abandoning the hideous blueberry softball jerseys and sticking with the whites and grays. They look like a baseball team now, and not a slow pitch team. Now, if they just start playing more like a baseball team!
whens the last time dempster took an at bat?
C'mon Demp...
damnit...come on
The run at 3rd doesn't matter....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
I mean't second...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
re: I mean't second...
done, 1 out
ok..
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
People still don't think Aramis' Defense is good?
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
Indeed
by Matt Allison on May 2, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
fantastic play.
by buckmulligan on May 2, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
will aram be known for hi d
Isn't Bay the clown who didn't hit a single HR...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
cubs win
31 pitches for dempster.. will we see him in the 2nd game?
Awww...you gave it away...
Ah, well...
WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yes!!
Fly it!
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Ok now I have a question.
Need to kill this 30 minute break somehow.
i tried searching
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Try emailing
re: Ok now I have a question.
I don't believe...
And I think it's done only for the latest game -- so in the case of doubleheaders, or a case like this, it'd be only for the second game of the day.
That's how I understand it, anyway.
i caught some of the cardinal/brewer game
Awesome flag!
First win for a Cub reliever this year.
they gave cliff floyd the player of the game...
LINEUP FOR G2?
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
i think...
could be wrong though
I would like to say Congrads
Go Cubs!
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 1:01 PM CDT reply actions
To paraphrase...
"The colossally negative Mr. D. even managed to sound magnanimous."
Just kidding, buddy. I agree - Go Cubs!
the game is started for me
A bit surprised no Pie
I'm fine
Floyd will not be with us next year, maybe not JJ either, and Pie has a long career ahead of him.
JJ is decent in CF and brings power. If Uncle Cliff were to go down with an injury, he is our only deep threat from the l.side.
He will NOT be traded before the deadline unless the Cubs are truly out of it.
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee is an rbi machine...
I don't care if he homers, just knock them in...
by salparadise23 on May 2, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Eight consecutive games with a double
Not sure
Arrggh!
DLee is a "bucket of doubles"...
Lineups (belated)
Soriano LF
Theriot 2B
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Floyd RF
Barrett C
Jones CF
Izturis SS
Marquis P
Pirates
Duffy CF
Wilson SS
Sanchez 2B
Bay LF
LaRoche 1B
Dourmit RF
Bautista 3B
Paulino C
Snell P
Interesting to see how Jones handles CF.
re: Lineups (belated)
I'd like to see Pie playing everyday, too, though Floyd and Jones have been undeniably hot.
Floyd
I like him 5th, especially if he can start knocking out homers like last night on a consistent basis.
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
re: I agree.
Let's see...
Can Izzy go a whole game without an error?
wow
Five pitches
What a loser! :)
and I had doubts abou floyd in rf...
Izturis is painful to watch...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
OK
By the time I called customer service and sat on hold, they had the game back on before I got off hold.
Still missed the first inning and a half though.
He really
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Figures.
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
Hot freaking damn!
HE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
Alice Cooper
No
so, can someone project the rotation for me?
5/5 - hill v. wash.
5/6 - lilly v. wash.
5/7 - off day
5/8 - marquis v pitt
5/9 - z vs. pitt
5/10 - hill vs. pitt
5/11 -
5/12 -
5/13
does that look right? then what?
Well...
So the answer is -- who knows?
I'm guessing they'll make some decisions tomorrow on the off day.
I've heard some rumblings....
Don't know how well it would work or if Lou wants three lefties in the rotation.
Hasn't he just
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I've heard.
isn't his first start today in the minors?
As I recall it
5/5 - hill v. wash.
5/6 - hill v. wash.
5/7 - off day (hill in a side session)
5/8 - marquis v pitt
5/9 - hill vs. pitt
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
Screw Guzman
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
Hey 300 pitches in a week is no big deal
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
Anyone else like the way Jason....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
It's a great advantage...
by thekansasian on May 2, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
ALFO
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see two on for Derrek...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 2:04 PM CDT reply actions
Wish granted
Theriot
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Nope - drafted
Unfortunately, the guy that got away on the same LSU team ended the career of Mark Prior (Brad Hawpe) when he hit him in the elbow with the line drive.
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to ask
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Seriously?
Mike -
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy are you goy
by jessica on May 2, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No Joke Son...
To interrupt..
I would agree they are not very attractive. and who needs another addition to the RED uniform club -- but, according to the Buccos, they have some reasons to sport 'crimson' (or as dimwitted Hawk would say, "Carmine.")
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 2, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions
Thank you, Mr. Snell!
the pirates
Vienna Beef
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
Oh okay..
he's made these comments before
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on May 2, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Which doesn't explain why they serve them at Wrigley.
On a side note, do you think we can get Marquis to do a promotion with Hebrew National.
Oh, and azweber9, I'll see your MMMMMM and raise you a drool.
mmm
by BJ on May 2, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Strange
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
GREAT AB BY AMRAM!
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
re: Floyd
YES!
Come on Cliffie...
mother f'n cliff floyd
Is he o.k.?
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't limping
by hankwhite24 on May 2, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man...
Nice, Ian...
re: And Barret's granny?
Murton just got some regular playing time.....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed...
and m barret dustys the last out
Inevitable perhaps...
He Just died in the Dougout
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Man a base hit
IS FLOYD STILL IN? Where was he struck?
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
he also went right to the bench...
IZZY
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 2, 2007 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
izzy is making the inevetiable look like a no
GAMEDAY shows
Nothing like additional outs in an inning.
Throw?
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
Well, see...
Theriot at SS...
by ReySanchez3 on May 2, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
<SARCASIM>But what you fail to realize is...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Crap here comes the Bullpen
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
Throwing error??
The Riot
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
re: The Riot
It's already later... but
Luis
There isn't a GM dumb enough to make that trade
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
LOVE IT!
by ReySanchez3 on May 2, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
darn
Anyone else listening to Gameday Audio?
Error #5
by northsidenonsense on May 2, 2007 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
Nothing
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
re: Nothing
(Just trying to maintain the theme here, folks.)
Neifi?
The Brewers...
Talk about mixed emotions.
Re: The Brewers.
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Re:
by ReySanchez3 on May 2, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
re: The Brewers.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHG
Izzy has lost his mind
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
C'mon Marquis...
Come on Marq...
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
alright
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 2, 2007 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
Scary stuff...
Well Izzy has forced Jason to pitch and extra 12
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions
And that's why...
DLee is batting .413.
Damn. I shouldn't have said that.
It's tough to judge...
That hurts.
Lou is no Dusty..
He's not an idiot.
This is a Hendry mistake.
Untradeable.
Can't field.
Can't hit.
Can't run well anymore.
WTF??
by TheEman on May 2, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
yeah, he looks good.
- we are terrible at getting a run in from third with less than 2 outs--so he was probably only gonna score on a hit anyway, sans wild pitch.
- takes the bat out of rami's hands with 2 men on--that was rami time.
re: what happened?
that was bad.
Are there any Shortstops still out there that
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
Not a good year to need a shortstop
Lopez doesn't want to move back to SS
by NO100 on May 2, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
6
So two innings to go
Or does Howry get a chance to hit?
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
Situational
My name out of the hat for the 9th is Wuertz.
I say Rocky...
Rocky....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
let marquis go the 8th.
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
sounds good to me.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 2, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Greates Base ball qoute ever
Well done.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I've seen today...
why?
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He's probably...
Who was it that said
who said that?
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 2, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What an outing by Marquis!
Marquis and Lilly
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
Re: Marquis and Lilly
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It' remarkable that
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
man,
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I give Lou some credit....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
Sorry...but Ward is use-
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
His OBP is over .500
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Knows his role...
Complete Games?
Curious
Plus hes a good hitter, it's not like we needed a PH for him.
by cubs4ever on May 2, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
In defense of Jelly Donut
re: Why did Ronny only make it to third?
Geez, can
Otoh, Soriano is getting hot... hooray!
keep him in
this team is hot!!
and the Fonz is even hotter!!
OK...you guys have learnt me...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
6-1 The Riot!!
by writerinwrigley on May 2, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
RIOT!!
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
I still lick my chops when
Pie CF
Theriot SS
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Soriano LF
Floyd RF
Barrett C
DeRosa 2B
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
That's an awesome lineup
THE RIOT!!!
Nothing like justifying your playing time.
Pour it on, boys!
your a poet...
Way to go D.Lee...
DLEE
But he only has 1 homer and 17 RBIs.
I feel like I should be happy with that but I really would like to see his power numbers go up (even if his BA goes down.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
your kidding right?
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
no doubt.
No DLEE is being Mark Grace
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
re: No DLEE is being Mark Grace
(I will agree, however, that we should not be discussing a Cubs victory until it has, in fact, been procured.)
Chicks dig the long ball?
The man has 17 doubles, it's not like he's turned into Ichiro here.
Lee
I can't believe you guys
I'm sorry you all had to see that side of me, I'll go take a break and calm down.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 2, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly right
by tommy veryzer on May 2, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Two wins in one day is great.....
I'm sure you got excited
It is one game. They still have HUGE holes on the team. They are playing well right now but A.) they are still 5 games back B.) Shut the hell up or you will jinx them.
Get it excited when they actually win a one run game.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
JYNX JYNX JYNX
Dude you better scarifice a whole chicken
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Scarifice?
by Shawon O Meter on May 2, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Did your dog
It did in fact...
Seriously though, why is Mr. D bein such an asshole?
I'm an Ass
Well I'm sorry I will let you people go back to living in Lolly pop houses, riding pink elephant, and playing in gum ball raindrops.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Finally!
We'll hang here with our 2 wins in one day.
Good riddance!
no...
There's a difference. Yes, it's only one game. But there IS reason to be excited. The offense is showing signs of life.
You don't wait until the season's over to celebrate a win. That's just dumb. Celebrate them whenever they come.
Hey Man
I'm sorry but that is rash and counter productive.
I wasn't trying to say this was a bad win or that the Cubs aren't starting to show signs of life. They are...but to say "this team has arrived" is seriously wrong.
They are still 5 games out of first with the Brew crew kicking ass.
The Bull pen still has very serious questions, Our Starting Pitching is way over preforming, then you have major issues with the 5th starter situation and at SS (but THE RIOT is making a case to say there for a very long time if he can field the position), and finally the Cubs are 0-6 in one run games.
I'm sorry. Until a few of these vital questions are solved then it is WAAYYYYYYYY to early to say "this team has arrived."
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF?!?
I'm just trying to point out the Cubs have serious issues that need to be addressed before we can start calling them serious contenders for the play-offs.
This is not a semantical argument rather just a valid one.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF??!! Back at ya.
Those, my overly negative and frustrating friend, are semantics, nothing more.
The Cubs look good lately and if someone feels that "arrived" describes this, then so be it.
Apparently, you think "arrived" means that they are guaranteed world champs...not sure I agree.
WHAT?!?
Give a break.
You people are the ones acting crazy.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Quit attacking people here...you are a huge buzzkill.
I got 7-7...
That's funny, I got a Jack and Coke
Bastards...
Aw, so sorry.
That's what I got...
Not too bad!
Finally, the season can begin!
GO CUBBIES!
by TheNextCubsVoice on May 2, 2007 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
Did I miss something...
by cubsfan4life on May 2, 2007 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
Whew...
by cubsfan4life on May 2, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
what a start of the season for marquis...
Agreed!
You've got to look out for all those red flags, though!
</sarcasm>
by Shawon O Meter on May 2, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Pie will be nothing but an average player.....
Correct me if I'm wrong but Pie is like the greatest Cub prospect of all time? Are you kidding me?
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions
I hope you're kidding...
The kid isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. But he IS a terrific prospect. His defense is fantastic, and his offense has eventually caught up to every level he's played. He'll be very good. Give the kid time to breathe.
I'm not
Oyyyy Boyyyy he's so overhyped it's not even funny.
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Patterson is nothing like Pie...
Patterson never succeeded above A ball. He was decent in AA, and terrible in AAA. Pie, on the other hand, was terrific in AA and terrific in the second half last year and early this year in AAA.
Patterson was terrible at pitch selection, and never made adjustments. Pie seems to have gotten the message that pitch selection will be important. In AAA this year, his walk rate was outstanding, and he's looked more patient in the bigs. Patterson swung at everything. Pie is more discerning.
The two are different players. The comparison of the two is thus inapt. Pie will be outstanding.
I wasn't comparing Pie to Patterson....
They're two completely different players but they both have one thing in common: Both were sadly overhyped.
Pie is nothing special, like we were mislead to believe.
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what you are talking about but
He's 22 and in baseball age he is a very young 22.
Right now he is a MLB defensive Outfielder for any team in the majors. (and I mean Period)
He was off to a hot start in AAA but the bigs is a different story. But after a the first two weeks up he is hitting over .275. And his speed on the bases is unmatched on the team.
I truly believe he need 1 more full year in the minors before he will be ready. But I also believe next year he could start in center and hit .305 and have an OBP over .350. Not to bad for rookie and he will still have a huge upside to build towards. The best part is he doesn't seem to be a Head Case like Patterson.
The worst that could happen is Pie turns into Murton. Still get you something at a trade deadline.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Where are you getting the .275?
I agree that he can play defense for anyone, and I also agree that it probably would have been better for him to have another full year at Iowa. But it looks like he's here to stay, and if the offense performs like we all hope it can, they should be able to hide him in the lineup and be happy with what they get from him.
by tommy veryzer on May 2, 2007 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He's hitting .222 overall
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm disappointed with your face!
I can understand your frustration but Pie under preforming because he was called up too soon I think is a minor problem with this team.
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well then...
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
A true Cubs Fan
Look at how bad a set of numbers the veterans had to put up and how good he had to play before The Riot got a chance for playing time.
Yes, Pie's a failure and just about every other player that has ever played the game, by Cub fan standards was also a failure. After all, gotta love those older ball players with declining skills sets. After all, Cliff Floyd looks so good when swinging a bat that we can ignore the fact that he's 40 points below his career OBP and 60 points below his career slugging percentage. We all know that he's going to have a career year with the Cubs. After all he's a veteran player.
by frustratedfan on May 3, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to the discussion,
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 2, 2007 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Discuss the topic at hand....
That's right, you don't have any and couldn't see talent if one of your children came out holding a louisville slugger.
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's still funny.
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhh ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 2, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhhhh
Now can you figure out why I have Pie's name in my boardname (I prefer user name)?
by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I get ...
Sorry. My bad.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 3, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
my love don't give me presents.
lou with the switch
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
FLY IT!!!
by seanlovescubs on May 2, 2007 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
that ball was crushed....
I thought
You can't see it but I have my hand to my forehead, fingers in the shape of an "L".
and yet you continue to acknowledge it
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And what about you?
Didn't see that one coming Az...
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Good cause you are confusing me...
CUBS WIN!!! CUBS WIN!!! CUBS WIN!!!
great. they come back to win the series.
cubs win!!!!
by Me and Lou WS 07 on May 2, 2007 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
Cubs
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
Hopefully ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 2, 2007 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
My pink elephant's name is Beatrice.
re: Looks like
8 of 9 hits....
If he keeps hittin like this
I'll take that as a compliment...
Why? What has the floor done?
Where has
by HeyGundy on May 2, 2007 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
Mr. Durden...
Hey, bartender, this glass isn't going to refill itself...
Let the guy be a
by Me and Lou WS 07 on May 2, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I very happy with the Cubs wins, too
Lets see what happens this week end. If they can run over the very very very weak Nationals and get a sweep then and then take two of three from the Pit next week then sweep the Phils you might be able to say "this team has arrived."
by MrDurden on May 2, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
re: I very happy with the Cubs wins, too
When
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
Suspended game
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
I suppose ...
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks
by jshipp on May 2, 2007 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
Marquis is a workhorse
I do worry that we need a semi-effective (at least) fifth starter sooner than later...wonder who it will be? Will they call up Guzman to work this weekend?? Vs. the Nats be a good time to give the kid a go...what are our other options anyway, don't see Cotts or anyone else on current roster filling this role.
Sweep gets us above .500 I say go for it!! Sori should be motivated against his ex-team, too...
by writerinwrigley on May 2, 2007 4:25 PM CDT reply actions
Good comparison to Lieber, so far.
by lemon17pie on May 2, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't think guzman's gonna pitch yet..
Don't be shocked
Guzman getting so lit up in AAA is a real concern- not sure who a solid 5th option would be.
by tommy veryzer on May 2, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Neal Cotts
by BlueMike on May 2, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So, you talked to Piniella today?
Go, Cubs! Let's bust this season wide open.
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 2, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs win 2!
Way, way late on this thread...
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