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Oh, Well.

I told Mike, just as the rain delay was ending and they started play again, that it would all be worth it if the Cubs could pull an epic comeback and win this soggy game. He reminded me that the Cubs owe the White Sox an 8-run retort at some point, having blown an 8-run lead on June 28, 2002 at the Cell -- that was the day that I left the Cell (I don't think it was called that then, but that's an easy shorthand) wearing my Kerry Wood jersey, to yells of "Cubs suck!" from Sox fans. I turned around and said, "I can't argue with you today." Shut 'em right up.

Anyway, the comeback didn't happen, as you know -- the Cubs lost to the White Sox 10-6, still winning the series 2 games to 1, but this was a winnable game, and you can't totally blame Carlos Zambrano, who got to two out, no one on in the seventh, trailing only 3-2.

Back to that in a moment. It was soggier than usual for me, Mark (who, as an appropriately-behaved 11-year-old, loved getting soaked), Mike, Dave, Dave's daughter Lauren and her boyfriend and Phil (who pooped out when it was 10-2, before the rain), because I had decided to listen to the forecast, which called for just cloudy skies and "maybe a sprinkle", and did not bring my umbrella.

Thus when the downpour hit, complete with what appeared to be small hailstones, I was unprepared, attempting to huddle under Mike's tiny backup umbrella. I will say that the regulation Cubs jacket is quite handy -- it repels water quite well. Much better than my gloves, socks and jeans, anyway.

There have been plenty of days in May when it was 81 degrees, and plenty when it was 47. But I can't recall going to ballgames on consecutive days when the temperature dropped from one day to the next as it did today. Yesterday was summer; today, winter. A. J. Pierzynski's in-your-face-Neal-Cotts grand slam was hit into the teeth of the wind -- a real rocket into the RF basket. It would have been well up into the seats on any other day.

Before that, Z had gotten himself into trouble by hitting Juan Uribe after getting the first two men out easily in the seventh inning. At that time he was at only 98 pitches, fairly efficient for him, and had he retired pinch-hitter Jim Thome (Mike said it was as if Ozzie Guillen were saying, "I'll see your Derrek Lee [who had pinch-walked] and raise you a Thome!"), he'd have done a nice job, again without his best stuff. This article suggests some scouts think he's hurt, or maybe thinking too much about his contract. I doubt the latter is the case, although who knows for sure.

Anyway, Thome's at-bat, a walk on a very close 3-2 pitch, was the key one in the inning; Darin Erstad made it 4-2 with a bloop single that could have been caught, and then we were surprised that Z was allowed to face Tadahito Iguchi; at that point he was at about 110 pitches and done. Naturally, Iguchi walked, setting up Pierzynski's at-bat against Neal Cotts -- and we could have probably all predicted the result.

The Cubs decided to make it close against the suddenly-hittable David Aardsma (whose ERA went from 1.54 to 5.01 in two days) in the eighth; after a single and a walk, Aardsma struck out Alfonso Soriano, but then Aramis Ramirez smacked a home run ALSO into the wind; by then the dark clouds heralding the rain were starting to engulf the ballpark and the lights had been turned on. That made it 10-5, and after Mark DeRosa doubled, Jacque Jones singled him in to make it 10-6. By this time it was raining hard, and the umpires, bound and determined to play under absolutely the most miserable conditions possible (we all noted that in years gone by, they'd never have played once it started raining. In fact, in years gone by they might never have played at all today; often, back in the '60s and even into the early '70s, games were postponed due to cold and windy conditions. Of course, there weren't 41,164 tickets sold for games in those days), let it go until Pierzynski flied to Soriano for the first out in the 9th.

Scott Eyre, perhaps fighting to keep his job, loaded the bases in the 9th, but got out of it, at which time Ozzie, not wanting to fool around, brought in his closer (granted, it was either Bobby Jenks or lefty Boone Logan, and the Cubs' lineup at the time had only Jacque Jones and pinch-hitter Cliff Floyd from the left side), who finished it out rather uneventfully.

The announced 41,164 was the largest crowd of the series. It didn't seem that large, as the cold brought out two phenomena: one, a large number of empty seats due to no-shows, and two, a large number of people wearing shorts and T-shirts anyway. Most of those were gone by the third inning, and by the end of the game, after the 42-minute rain delay, there couldn't have been more than 5,000 people left, hoping for the rally that never came.

I'd take two of three in every series, of course, but psychologically, once you've won the first two there's pretty strong pressure to sweep, no matter who the opponent is. The next week is critical for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the Brewers are playing exactly the same road trip that we are, in reverse order; they'll play the Dodgers while the Cubs play San Diego, then the teams swap opponents for next weekend. That ought to tell us quite a bit about how our respective teams stack up against two of the better teams in the NL West.

Carlos Marmol threw another scoreless inning today; that's not what led to this diary mentioning that Lou might be considering moving Ryan Dempster into the rotation and installing Marmol as closer. That's a bad idea not only because Dempster has repeatedly failed at starting, but because Marmol doesn't have the consistency in throwing strikes that you need to be a good closer. Even today, in throwing a pretty good inning, he threw only nine strikes in nineteen pitches. You can see what might be coming if Marmol were the closer -- he's basically a younger, harder-throwing, Hispanic Dempster.

The Cubs also lost a chance to gain a game on the Brewers, who salvaged the last game of their series against the Twins. Instead of (perhaps) being four games behind, the Cubs enter the road trip six games back, still not an insurmountable deficit. They remained a half-game behind Houston, who were annihilated by the Rangers 14-1 -- I don't see the Astros going anywhere with that pitching staff.

Oh, and finally -- I did keep my scorecard dry, despite the downpour. The jacket helped, and oddly, the new, slightly more glossy paper they're using this year for the cards, which is a bit harder to erase mistakes on, also seems to shed water better. Go figure.

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Hey Al
"Marmol...he's basically a younger, harder-throwing, Hispanic Dempster."

Well said.

I think this team is stuck with Dempster the rest of the season.  But I think Dempster is a minor problem  The big issue is we have no one to get outs in the 7th and 8th innings.

Ideas?

Anyone?

Please?!?

by MrDurden on May 20, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two things.....
To acquire that "guy" it will have to be via a trade.  If you look at the trade deadline last year, there was not a lot of player movement.  With the parity in the NL, few teams will be out of the running.  It will take your top guy(s) to get this done.

As for the series, it went very, very well.  After this team shit the bed on Thursday, I had a sinking feeling there would be a hangover.  The team came out and battled.  This was a 180 from last year.  The manager DOES make the difference!

As I said before, this team will contend.  They may not win this weak division but we will see games that have meaning come September.

I am glad this series is over.  My liver can now rest comfortably.

"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 20, 2007 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with a trade
Who has quality reliever who can pitch the 7th 8th innings?

What team?

Which player?

Do they have someone better in wings?

Also who are we going to trade to get this pitcher when the Phillies have Aaron Rowan ready to trade for fill their Bull Pen needs (Not to mention the Yanks, Braves, Mariners, Detroit, and Chicago who will be looking and have much deeper Minor league systems then we do).

No one is taking Jones over Rowan.

So do you want to move Pie for that set-up man?

If not Pie, who?

You might have better answers to these questions but I can' answer them which makes me think a trade is not going to happen (unless Hendry just totally throws this team under the bus to try to win this year).

by MrDurden on May 20, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is.....
that it is very hard to target someone now because of the wild card.  Just look back to last year.  Almost every team was still in the race.

IMHO, it will take a player like Pie to get this done.  People overpay at the dealine.

Right now, you could look to the Pirates and their pen as an option.  The NYY also could become a player.  This route may not cost a team a prospect if they are willing to pick up a longer contract.  

"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 20, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Lyon....
....the DBacks set up man would be better than anything the Cubs currently have in the BP.

by lemon20pie on May 20, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would they take JJ or Murton
for him?

Maybe even JJ and we pay his salary?

How about on of the B level prospects like Rocky Cherry?

by MrDurden on May 20, 2007 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with closers
Is most of them have a relatively short shelf life.  After one or two good years, the league catches up with them and they have extended periods where they struggle.  The only guys that last, are the ones that can consistantly throw two pitches for strikes, and those are few and far between.  
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 20, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Padres have
a loaded bullpen, but not enough hitting. Many, many teams have coveted Scott Linebrink, who could be a closer just about anywhere else. Now, with the emergence of Cla Meridith as a possible closer, the older Linebrink might still be a possibility -- but for less. The Padres have asked a TON for Linebrink, and nobody wants to giveaway that much.

But, I don't know what the Cubs have that the Padres would want. They still have a black hole at 3B, with the kid Kouzmanoff still not coming around. (He has actually gotten his average to near .200 lately) They could use a catcher with an arm....I think Jones would be too rich for their taste, though.

And Mr D, you don't trade Pie. That's absurd.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 20, 2007 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree.....
but, if the player the Cubs acquire puts them over the top and they win the WS, would you do it?

I would have to say yes.

"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 20, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a
guarantee involved?
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 20, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.....
there never is.  This type of thing is always a gamble.  I do not advocate trading Pie.  Personally, I do not trust Hendry to make the right deal.

The Sutcliffe deal did not bring a WS. Except for "Cubs luck", this deal would have been considered a huge success.  Can a similar deal be had?  Would you do it?

"I feel sorry for you being so hatefilled." kerrysstalkerotherwife

by timeforachange on May 20, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I felt it
was in our best interest, of course. But I really don't get caught up in the trade rumors. In the past year alone there have been probably 200 suggested trades. Absolutely none of them has occurred. It like waiting for Beyonce to call.......again. lol
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 21, 2007 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe there is one play
that could win the Cubs the World Series this year.

So there is no way I would trade Pie.

He is the long term future of this team and I wouldn't trade him unless the Cubs knew they were one play away.  And honestly the Cubs are more than one player away.

by MrDurden on May 20, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You wrote
Scott Eyre, perhaps fighting to keep his job, loaded the bases in the 9th, but got out of it, at which time Ozzie, not wanting to fool around, brought in his closer (granted, it was either Bobby Jenks or lefty Boone Logan, and the Cubs' lineup at the time had only Jacque Jones and pinch-hitter Cliff Floyd from the left side), who finished it out rather uneventfully.
  So who closed?

by Butchoh31 on May 20, 2007 6:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL
That was tortured writing, wasn't it? Obviously, it was Jenks, the closer.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2007 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CSN had reported
in the post game show that Dempster had been moved into the rotation but now on Sports Nite they reoprted Demp had a half hour meeting with Lou tonight and he will stay the closer.

Today sucked but I'm glad they got 2 out of 3 for the series.

"David Aardsma has ice water in his veins." BlueMike 5/17/07

by sue369 on May 20, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z chokes on lefties
They now have a .431 OBP against him. He 0-2 on Thome when he missed again and again with a tailing fastball. He has done that time after time this year.

Either he gets another pitch to throw to lefties or he gets his head back. I don't care which. BTW, he's doing OK vs. right handed batters. I doubt it's his arm or the splits wouldn't be so diverse.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 20, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That pitch to Erstad
 where Erstad got the rbi single, was a terrible pithc. Not just the execution but the pitch. He struck out Erstad earlier in the game with a sinker in the dirt and made erstad look silly with a splitter in the dirt in the RBI ab and for some reason with 2 strikes, they decide to get Erstad out with a fastball in.

by lemon20pie on May 20, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Further Proof that Z is a total head case
I think maybe Z might respect Blanco More than Barrett.  Maybe Blanco catching might help him stay in the game longer.

by MrDurden on May 20, 2007 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marshall
he'd be a whole lot better starter than Dempster, IMO

by Chanman25 on May 20, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly
Why move Dempster into the rotation, when Sean Marshall is on his way back with a vengance in AAA? He should be the 5th starter.

I do like the prospect of either Guzman or Marmol as the closer... but they'd need to develop into that role over time.  And Marmol's control is a mess.

TheRiot at leadoff please!

by SackMan on May 20, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best news of day...Z is not signed
makes him easier to move at deadline if we choose...am glad cubs did not sign him to an extension the way he's performed...he's getting worse every year, not better.

roll the dice on another reclamation project...maybe Rusch can come back!! Or Prior?

this guy is main reason cubs are under .500. Others on pitching staff--despite leaky bullpen--have overachieved relative to expectations and salary level.

by writerinwrigley on May 20, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Easier to move?
Pitching the way he has, who'd want him? Seriously. Of all "qualified starters" (those who have as many IP as their team has played games), only five NL pitchers have worse ERA's.

Don't believe me? Click here.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2007 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Lorraine Bracco
(on the Sopranos) speak Spanish fluently?

Z needs to see a shrink. Fo' Real!

Re trades - well, this is an interesting subject.

First - who do we have OF REAL VALUE to another team that we'd trade for help now, in May/June.

  1. Young pitching: Sean Marshall, Sean Marshall, Sean Marshall
  2. Young everyday player who is a value: Matt Murton, Matt Murton, Matt Murton
  3. Veteran starter: Wade Miller (although, is this "real" value)
  4. Veteran Reliever who has had prev. success: Eyre, Howry
  5. Overpaid, moderately succcessful OF who will platoon: Jacque Jones
If you add the above possibilities, again, IMO, with the fact that Hendry is a lame duck GM who will not be a-spendin', this is our bait for a potential trading partner.

You guys figure out who the above are a good match for!!

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z and a shrink?
Maybe Z should talk to John Smoltz and find out who helped him in the '90s when he was having problems with his pitching (before the injury and surgery).

by No Southern Belle on May 21, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster
I agree about Dempster.  This is just nuts.  I remember two years ago people (ahem, I believe Al was one of them) talking about how he had finally found his place in the bullpen, and now, two years later they (not Al!) are talking about moving him into the rotation?

And what's wrong with the rotation anyway?  There's Zambrano, who might be hurt, and I suppose if he were to go onto the DL, starting Dempster is an idea to entertain.  And then dismiss in favor of better candidates.  The fifth spot, as far as I'm concerned, belongs to Guzman, who has done just fine in three starts.

In my opinion, this is residual crazy talk from the delirium following Thursday's game.

Dave Geiser

by dvdmgsr on May 20, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and it was really only one game
he's only had two bad games and you get rid of him? Pahh, I'd love to see what this team would do with Mariano Rivera if he were a Cub!

by Chanman25 on May 20, 2007 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup
Dempster, while not a lock down closer, is pretty darn good. As I've said before, how many lock down closers are there really out there? Dempster has the occasional control problems but he's got closer stuff. I think that he's the least of the bullpen problems, to be honest.

Now that being said, I'd be okay with Guzman going to the pen, but closing him is not the need. There has been inconsistency. Guzman was a solid reliever. So putting him and perhaps Marmol in the pen could give then a pair of hard throwers for late innings. The problem is when figuring out who to get rid of. Howry and Eyre are here because of their contracts. Same for Ohman. Wuertz, for the most part, has been good. I don't see Cotts going. I just don't know who goes, but putting Marshall into the rotation and Guzman in the pen would be fine by me.

DmL

by dmlichte on May 20, 2007 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster is
about 17th ranked in MLB

In the "lower half" statistically.

2 blown saves.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not really accurate...
he's 17th in saves, but is because he's 17th in save opportunities.   He is 9/10 in save chances (one blown save), and his save percentage is actually better than 8 of the 16 guys ahead of him.  He's 11th overall among closers with at least 8 save opportunities, which is actually above average.

He's not terrific, but he's given up runs in only 4 of 18 appearances, and he's really only had two terrible outings this year.  Other than the St Louis game and the Mets game, his ERA is under 1 with a WHIP of about 0.60.  So for the most part, he's actually been really strong this year.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2007 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

guzman is moving to the pen
Lou confirmed that. Angel doesn't seem to be able to go very deep in games.

by elgato on May 20, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what?
He's the fifth starter.  Plan on some combination of Guzman and Marmol for those games.  Geez, if you're going to insist on having 12 pitchers, you should be able to do it and have that sort of flexibility.  Guzman has gone at least five in each of his three starts.

by dvdmgsr on May 20, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just off Rotoworld
Ryan Dempster said after Sunday's game that he would be joining the rotation, then met with manager Lou Piniella and told the media 30 minutes later that he'd be remaining in the bullpen.
So, we're not the only ones who can't figure out what is going on in Chicago. It looks like Dempster will continue to close for now, but this idea of putting him in the rotation is a legitimate threat. If it happens, he'd lose almost all of his value. We thought the same thing about Jason Marquis, of course, but Dempster really would be a lousy bet as a starting pitcher.

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good, but do you think he will be a mentor for Marmol or Guzman to be the closer later?

by Chanman25 on May 20, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have had it with Z
He has deveolped a really bad pattern of not showing up when it matters. He is a mental midget, losing all his cool when the smallest issue doesnt go his way. (close strike call, bad fielding play etc) He clearly cannot handle this contract situation.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on May 20, 2007 7:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree
I find that, in the first and then again after the 5th, I'm always convinced that Z is going to walk everyone who he gets 2 strikes on, especially lefties.  He's always going for the strikeout by nibbling instead of challenging guys?  Then once the wheels come off, they really come off.  A great pitcher should not be pulled with guys on base in the middle of an inning this often.  Get it worked out Z!  We're supposed to get wins on the day when our #1 is going against a guy who has never started in the bigs!
MURTON!! Just trying to help his karma so he gets 500+ ABs.

by 26.2cubfan on May 20, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in favor of Marshall in the 5 spot, too
But who's the odd man out? If they bring Marshall up, that's a 13-man staff.

Dempster stays the closer (which is good). The top four starters aren't moving. Guzman's in the pen and you figure Marmol is, too, though I guess he could be sent back down.

Assuming he stays, that means Eyre, Howry, Cotts, Ohman or Wuertz is gone.

Wuertz has options left and he's cheap, so here's hoping he stays. Howry has been inconsistent, but not TERRIBLE. Ohman has been the best of the three lefties (kind of like winning the award for the best teeth in the U.K.).

So Cotts or Eyre? But what do they do? Back spasms for Eyre?

by elgato on May 20, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eyre or Cotts
They've been having to deal with this issue since Cotts got signed. Having 3 lefties in the pen wasn't a good idea to start with. I'm going to go with Eyre.

phat

by phatass on May 20, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say Guzman or Marmol
will likely be the man out, when Marshall gets brought back into the rotation... for the simple fact that they're both righties.  
TheRiot at leadoff please!

by SackMan on May 20, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed about Cotts
 He is absolute junk. He's got a straight fastball and I've yet to see any plus pitch from him. He absolutely should be the first pitcher let go, imo.

 With Marshall coming up, the Cubs will have 6 lefties on their active squad. I've certainly never heard of that before. That's just ridiculous.

 

by lemon20pie on May 21, 2007 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The hell?
Neal Cotts: 3.31 ERA
Scott Eyre: 8.10 ERA

Neal Cotts: 1.22 WHIP
Scott Eyre: 2.33 WHIP

Neal Cotts: 3.7 VORP
Scott Eyre: -4.0 VORP

Neal Cotts: 0.312 WXRL
Scott Eyre: -1.015 WXRL

We can dig up almost any stat you like, and I don't know that I've found any that makes Neal Cotts look worse than Scott Eyre.

by cwyers on May 21, 2007 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year.
 No doubt, it's hard to make an argument for Eyre this year. Eyre is proven however and Cott's is not even remotely close to proven. I'll take my chances with Eyre and toss Cotts to the garbage where he belongs.

by lemon20pie on May 21, 2007 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Terrible
"Howry has been inconsistent, but not TERRIBLE."

TERRIBLE is in the eye of the beholder.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

howry has actually been worse than cotts
I was going on memory, not stats. I just haven't been impressed with Cotts at all.

But Howry's ERA is not awful, and he's pitched more than any of the other regulars in the pen.

Eyre is the real atrocity.

by elgato on May 20, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Al
Al, after this exciting weekend, don't you think that the Cubs-White Sox rivalry even tops the Cubs-Cardinals?  I was at the game on Saturday and had a ball surrounded by Cubbies and Sox fans.  I think we all had a great time.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 20, 2007 8:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well..
... I was talking to Dave about this on Saturday. We both agree that Cubs/Sox has become a good baseball rivalry, between the players, as well as the fans.

But it's only ten years old. Cubs/Cardinals goes back many decades with many pennant races. It's still a better rivalry.

It's nice to have a new one, though. Cubs/Brewers is heading in the same direction.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2007 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's May
Reliever stats have about as much meaning as the headlines in The Weekly World News.

by dvdmgsr on May 20, 2007 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhh...I'd disagree
To me a 2-12 record by the group that is supposed to hold leads and keep a team in it is quite telling.

This is pathetic.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this year I am
watching baseball played on the North Side.

Unlike last year.

Except the bullpen hasn't caught up.

Have you ever been to Wrigley Field in PERSON, or do you watch what TV shows you in Kansas somewhere?

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wasnt typing to you
i was replying to the comment made about reliever stats meaning nothing

by CubsBall2202 on May 20, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MY BAD!!
I am very sorry.

I apologize to you personally!

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh BTW,
25 % of the season is now gone.
Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This season really reminds me of '04
That has its negative and positive aspects.  The good thing is that means that the talent level and potential of the club is greater than it has been since '04.  It feels like this team has the potential and the tools to be competitive and possibly make it the post-season.  Hopefully, Hendry will be able to make a decent move, just like '03 and '04 (I realize Nomar didn't really pan out, but it was still a good deadline deal).

The bad thing is that some of the problems that plagued the Cubs, and kept them out of the post-season, in 2004, are present as well.  Namely, feast or famine offense and an unreliable bullpen.  Oh, throw in adventures in base-running, too.  

We are chasing a team that appears to be running away with the division, just like '04 (except this time it is the Brew Crew, not the Cards).  And just like '04, whenever that club shows some signs of being "catchable," we promptly cede any ground we might be able to gain and the lead always stays just about the same.  

There are some key differences, though.  No Dusty ineptitude - if the Cubs fizzle or flame out, it won't be because of Lou's approach.  I still think this team has some bad Dusty habits that they haven't quite yet shaken - the optimist in me thinks they'll be rid of them by the All-Star break, but I worry that it will take a full year to completely rid themselves of that stuff (dude).   I don't think there are any clubhouse cancers on Sosa's level, either - this team seems to actually play pretty well together.  I also don't see the Wild Card coming from the Central this year, so its either catch the Brewers or bust.  

Overall, it really means this is shaping up to be a season of hopes perpetually raised, then dashed.  As frustrating as that is, I'll still take it over the "not a chance in hell" feeling that set in before the calendar even flipped to May last year.

by SuperContext on May 20, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize
Milwaukee was "running away" with the division.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 20, 2007 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, they really aren't
But they have the potential to.  And it is particularly frustrating to me when they are coming back down to earth and presenting the Cubs a chance to make up some ground, and they don't capitalize.  The Cubs should be neck and neck with them right now, but instead are 6 games back.  That's by no means insurmountable (thus, my feeling the Cubs will remain competitive for the division moreso than for the Wild Card), but it should be much closer.

by SuperContext on May 20, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milwaukee's 3-7 in their last 10
And we can't gain crap, because we keep blowing games.
TheRiot at leadoff please!

by SackMan on May 20, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't count
Today as a blown game. Winnable? Maybe. But not blown. The only lead the Cubs ever had was 1-0.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 20, 2007 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I wrote...
... the next road trip is not only critical in terms of possibly picking up ground, but to see how the Cubs compare to the Brewers, as the two teams are taking the same trip, to LA and SD.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 21, 2007 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was at the game today,
Witnessing my 5th loss of the year already. I can't seem to buy a damn W. Only saw 1 vs the Cards this year... that was it.

Big Z is turning into Big Crap. 3-2 ballgame, two out and nobody on, heading into the 7th inning stretch.... 142 batters later it's 10-2.

This was a winnable game. But, I think the Cubs have proved thus far, they aren't a winning team.

TheRiot at leadoff please!

by SackMan on May 20, 2007 10:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You got the request in your sig
Why don't you change it to a different request now?  Maybe you'll get that one, too.  

How about:  "A bullpen that doesn't suck please!"

by SuperContext on May 20, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Not a bad idea.
TheRiot at leadoff please!

by SackMan on May 21, 2007 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct
Unfortunately.

I keep saying, though. When all is said and done - the team SHOULD be around .500 imo.

Actually - they could be a game or two or three under.

They are just going to HAVE to close teams down from the 7th on.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on May 20, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They're just incapable of it
In every possible way. Poor fundamentals across the board (for the last decade or so), and they just can't ever seem to hit in the clutch with any consistency.
TheRiot at leadoff please!

by SackMan on May 20, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sun Times has reported
Dempster is not going to the Rotation.

So this is what I see coming

Rotation:

  1. Z
  2. Lilly
  3. Marquis
  4. Hill
  5. Marshall (Now 2-0 with an ERA under 3.00 in AAA)
Closer: Dempster
Setup: Guzman
Setup: Marmol
Lefty: Ohman
Short Relief: Weurtz
Short Relief: Howry
Long Relief: Cotts

AAA:
Emergency Starter: Miller
Emergency reliever: Cherry
DL for the next month: Eyre

I think the Marshall move is a very good one.  That is the best rotation the Cubs can have right now.

I also like the move for Guzman to the Pen with Marmol.  These kids throw hard an can make mistakes in the strike zone and get away with them.

I also think Weurtz and Howry will pitch better with the pressure off them.

If Miller can get his Fastball back to 90mph (it is at 86 right now) then the Cubs will have a great 6th starter and if Cotts continues to suck then they can bring him up.  

Cherry moving back down is a good think but if either of the kids struggle too much then he will be back from the land of corn before you know it.

And getting Eyre off the team is good for the team and for him.  Who knows he might get his head on straight by picking on the some single A teams.  But it is clear, right now, he is not MLB Material.  Hopefully he can rejoin the team after the all start break.

Suggestions?

Predictions?

by MrDurden on May 20, 2007 11:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that worries me...
is throwing Hill and Marshall back to back.  Both are big lefties with loopy curves and 89-91 fastballs.  I know there are significant differences, but they are very, very similar pitchers to throw back to back against the same team.  Just something to think about.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on May 21, 2007 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider me...
very shaky on the idea of Marmol in the late innings.  Sometime very soon, someone is going to realize that you don't have to swing the bat against the kid, because he's incapable of actually hitting the strike zone.  Hopefully, his command gets much better.  If it does, he certainly has the stuff of a back of the bullpen guy.

I have the feeling that at some point Marshall gets traded.  I don't think Lou is excited by the idea of 3 lefties in the rotation, even if it is our best alignment (which I think it is at the moment).

And I know this is off-topic, but Dempster has no business going back to the rotation.  He was terrible at it before the injuries.  I have trouble believing he's gotten better since.

by SouthernCub on May 21, 2007 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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