Here's All You Need To Know...
... about the Cubs' 2-1, 11-inning loss to the Dodgers.
From Sportsline's pitch-by-pitch account of the 11th inning:
Wilson Betemit: Pickoff attempt to first, Foul, Pickoff attempt to first, Ball, Pickoff attempt to first, Ball, Ball, Betemit walked, Martinez to second.
Rafael Furcal: Intentional ball, Martinez stole third, Carlos Marmol relieved Angel Guzman, Intentional ball, Furcal intentionally walked, Betemit to second.
Juan Pierre: Strike looking, Ball, Foul, Ball, Ball, Pierre hit by pitch, Martinez scored, Betemit to third, Furcal to second
In case you don't want to count, that's twenty-one pitches, sixteen balls, two called strikes, and three foul balls. And three pickoff attempts.
That's about the worst relief pitching the Cubs have had yet in this horrid relief season, and that's saying something. And, of course, had Pierre not been hit by the pitch, it being out of the strike zone, he would have walked, and that would have ended the game.
I am not sure how many extra-inning games in major league history have ended on a bases-loaded hit batsman, but it cannot be many. I know there's been at least one that I personally attended -- this one at Wrigley Field on August 26, 1972, that the Cubs won 10-9 in 10 innings, after having blown a 7-4 lead.
I don't know what else to say this evening. There's no reason the Cubs should not have won this series -- in fact, there's no reason the Cubs shouldn't have had a 4-2 road trip, at the very least, instead of a 2-4 road trip. They allowed only 21 runs in the six games -- that's 3.5 per game. Any team with a decent offense ought to win at least four games out of six where their pitching staff performs that well. But, the offense managed only 18 runs in the six games, and that's simply not good enough.
Once again, the starting pitching was outstanding today. Rich Hill, who has been shaky lately, threw six shutout innings, though he was yanked for pinch-hitter Daryle Ward after only 66 pitches. The problem today was the bullpen, yet again, and you've surely been waiting for me to mention Scott Eyre.
Eyre has to be hurt. Remember 2004? When Joe Borowski kept going out there time after time after time, before finally admitting after 21 appearances and an 8.02 ERA that his shoulder was injured? How else can you explain a guy who lets a fat pitch right in the middle of the zone on an 0-2 count to be hit for a game-tying home run?
I got a text message from the San Diego Smooth Jazz Man, who was at this game (bet you're glad you drove all the way to LA, right?) right after Andre Ethier's HR that said, "Eyre dfa", and that's not the answer. Get him on the DL where he belongs, and at this point, I think Carlos Marmol has to go back to Iowa and Rocky Cherry recalled, because Marmol simply has not learned how to throw strikes.
And don't suggest acquiring Damaso Marte to replace Eyre, because as I have said in other threads here, if Marte is acquired, in a week we'll all be saying exactly the same thing about him that we've said about all these other guys:
WHY CAN'T THEY THROW STRIKES????
The guy the Cubs have been rumored to be chasing for a month or more, and who could really help this team right now, is Scott Linebrink. At this point, whatever it would take to get Linebrink, DO IT, because:
- this is still a good team. It just needs bullpen help. Unlike other years where there were so many holes you didn't know where to start filling them, this problem is tightly focused.
- this division sucks. Remember all those people who kept saying, "Well, if the Brewers just play .500 ball the rest of the year they'll win 90 games"? The Brewers did even worse on the same West Coast swing the Cubs just had -- they went 1-5. And so guess what? If Milwaukee plays .500 from here on out, they'd win 84 games. This division is still winnable. The Cubs are only five games out of first place, and still second -- once again, everyone in the Comedy Central lost today, except the Pirates, who beat the Reds by the football score of 14-10. The Pirates don't scare me; the Reds are horrible; the Astros have no pitching and the Cardinals are done.
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I will be at the game tommorow
We will get to Byung Hyun Kim
by gocubs40 on May 27, 2007 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Izturis
One thing you didn't mention about the game: The continued poor hitting of Cesar Izturis, who failed in a key situation with men on second and third and none out earlier in the game. His weak grounder ahead of the pitcher's spot in the order set the team up for the failure that ultimately followed. All the team needed was a fly ball, and Izturis couldn't deliver. Having Izturis in the lineup is like having two pitchers in the lineup.
Also, the Cubs continue to exhibit awful baserunning. Why the heck is Michael Barrett trying to steal third with two out? Was that his own idea, or some sort of missed signal?
And I've once again got to question Piniella's strategy. Why does he waste Cliff Floyd in a pinch-hitting role with none out and a man on first? In my opinion, with the game so close and in late innings, that is a sacrifice situation, and one of the pitchers should have been brought up to lay down a bunt, with Floyd preserved for use later in the inning or game. Now of course, if Floyd had homered, I wouldn't be writing this. But I think it's a move that's legitimate to question, especially because it failed.
by danimal15 on May 27, 2007 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
That was Murtons fault
Also, a buddy of mine who is a Dodger fan was at the game and he had 3rd row behind the Cubs dugout, called me up after the HR Eyre gave up and said he could from his seat easily hear Piniella chewing Eyre out from the railing.
by lemon20pie on
May 28, 2007 3:43 AM CDT
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Bull ____
Murton did the right thing. He made sure that he didn't make the first out of the inning at home.
by frustratedfan on
May 28, 2007 11:18 PM CDT
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You fail to mention Lou
And again, after throwing a no hit no walk inning, why was Wuertz taken out. Barrett was horrible again. Let's not blame the bullpen. This game should never have gone into extra innings. And that can be laid mainly at the feet of Piniella.
Hendry needs to make some move. Any move. Even a symbolic move. But this team is regressing. It's playing terribly.
by tharr on May 27, 2007 8:33 PM CDT 0 recs
I see your point...
But the point is, Eyre was good a year ago, and sucks now. What is the most logical explanation for that? An injury that's going unacknowledged.
Time to get him off the active roster, now. I agree that some move, even just a symbolic one, is necessary (Marmol back to Iowa would work, too).
by Al on
May 27, 2007 8:46 PM CDT
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Not everyone who sucks is injured
And if we look at Eyre's career, he's had one very good year. Even last year his WHIP was 1.48 which isn't setup material. This year it's around 2.50. He doesn't have a strong history of success. He's giving up almost 8 walks per inning. He may be injured, but, I suggest, he's never been that good to begin with.
Finally, sending Marmol to Iowa is no message to this team. Think bigger.
by tharr on
May 27, 2007 9:03 PM CDT
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I could not agree with you more
You can MRI every muscle and every joint in every ballplayer's body and find minor tears/strains/injuries in just about everybody.
These do not, in most cases, limit their performance.
Enough of the excuses. I agree with Al's optimism that on paper this team, while not great, is not that bad and still has a chance in this weak NL Central. However, this team will end up right where they did last year unless the high school efforts/execution is not abandoned soon.
by LuisSalazar on
May 27, 2007 9:49 PM CDT
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Somebody needs to get fired!
We all are sure that the players feel terrible about the way they are playing - to a man the bullpen will say they let the team down. Barrett KNOWS he messed up, Eyre KNOWS he sucked. The list goes on. Until something happens to let the players know that knowing you suck and doing something about it are two different things, the carnage will continue.
The play ride from LA is going to be a somber, quiet one because as a team everyone knows they should have done better. Until the management of this organization fires some players, the same thing will continue. Over the winter there was big money spent on this team to get some talent. It is time for that talent to become evident.
by MetsSuck on
May 27, 2007 9:16 PM CDT
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Symbolic = DFA Scott Eyre
Move Alfo out of the Lead off spot and move him to the 5th spot.
Sending a rookie back to Iowa isn't symbolic to for the Cubs, in this organization it is know as Thursday.
by MrDurden on
May 27, 2007 9:25 PM CDT
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agree
Make Wuertz the setup man and move Guzman ahead of Eyre and Howry. He did a nice job.. Relievers aren't supposed to go 3 innings.. Also, a decent defensive catcher should have had Martinez picked off. I never played catcher, but do know, you should run at the baserunner in such a situation.
by CubFaninCA on
May 27, 2007 10:35 PM CDT
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YOU'RE HIRED!!
Howry might still have a clue, although I see no reason for him to be in line ahead of Guzman.
Did you see Lou giving Barrett "catching lessons" in the dugout after the 8th inning? Too bad Lou didn't cover ALL the defensive angles else Barrett might have executed properly in the 11th.........
I've been saying for a long time that Barrett is an anchor to this team and he continues to prove it again and again.
Bat Blanco 8th; play The Riot at SS; move on.
by tville on
May 27, 2007 10:56 PM CDT
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I wonder about Rocky Cherry....
by Krande on May 27, 2007 8:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Damaso Marte........
Al, you are wrong about him. Look at the numbers!
by timeforachange on May 27, 2007 8:53 PM CDT 0 recs
You cannot be serious.
If you want to "look at the numbers", please look at Marte's numbers from 2005 and 2006. They're horrid.
Keep this pitcher far, far away from a Cubs uniform. He'd be a disaster.
by Al on
May 28, 2007 4:27 AM CDT
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In all honesty.......
I do find it funny that you are so anti this type of player and embraced the Marquis signing. This also flies in the face of your "they have finally got it" stance. Why is this?
The sole reason I brought up his name was because it seemed like the type of player that the Cubs COULD acquire. This talk of Linebrick coming here is laughable.
by timeforachange on
May 28, 2007 9:16 AM CDT
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Al, I hate to "bitch and moan" again...
This is a team that has shown absolutely no consistency on any front this entire year, except finding comical ways to lose.
This is a team that looks good on paper, but that's about where it ends.
Still bad baserunning, still not getting the clutch hits with men on base, bad outfield defense, overall stupid baseball.
That has nothing to do with the bullpen, which does absolutely suck by the way.
This is going to be quite a year.
by Peoria Matt on May 27, 2007 9:03 PM CDT 0 recs
I agree
by qccub on
May 27, 2007 9:18 PM CDT
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Re: "Amen Brother...
Heart is something people that never played baseball past the age of twelve (or ever) talk a lot about. It's why people love Zambrano. He breaks bats, points at the sky but, unfortunately, leads the league in walks. People that haven't played think there's some way less talented players can somehow will their way to win.
Talent wins. End of story. Michael Jordan's killer instinct wouldn't have meant shit inside of Wes Matthews.
by TR on
May 27, 2007 10:57 PM CDT
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But "killer instinct"............
by tville on
May 27, 2007 10:59 PM CDT
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Thats exactly...
by kcjones on
May 27, 2007 11:25 PM CDT
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You win some
by sue369 on May 27, 2007 9:04 PM CDT 0 recs
No.
by ksreed on
May 27, 2007 9:23 PM CDT
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So I guess today is game 11
By the way it only took you until Memorial Day for you to start truly talking like a defeated Cubs Fan.
Have a great weekend.
by MrDurden on
May 27, 2007 9:27 PM CDT
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hahaha
by bennyha on
May 27, 2007 10:07 PM CDT
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I don't feel
by sue369 on
May 27, 2007 10:11 PM CDT
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Not to nit pick
by LT on May 27, 2007 9:25 PM CDT 0 recs
I think you're right.
by Al on
May 28, 2007 4:28 AM CDT
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Soriano
by ksreed on May 27, 2007 9:27 PM CDT 0 recs
3-6 months
by MrDurden on
May 27, 2007 9:28 PM CDT
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At this rate
by ksreed on
May 27, 2007 9:31 PM CDT
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Just give the 8th
by Me and Lou WS 07 on May 27, 2007 9:31 PM CDT 0 recs
guzman was kept in too long
by dalehenderson on
May 28, 2007 6:50 AM CDT
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Barrett
by cubsbak on May 27, 2007 9:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Barrett Is Not Among Our Top 10 Problems
- Bullpen
- Inability to move runners with less than two outs - we can't bunt, hit sac fly or hit to the right side)
- No right fielder
- Zambrano MIA
- Soriano can't run - no threat to steal
- No power in the outfield
- Baserunning sucks
- Inability to work counts, drive up pitch counts
- Jacque Jones - offensive death
- Lee's power drop
by ksreed on
May 27, 2007 9:41 PM CDT
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Right On...
by copes006 on
May 27, 2007 9:55 PM CDT
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Well I think..........
Without question, that's a fact.
But to address some of the issues you raise that are a problem on a grander scale, I would simply state.........
- The Cubs lead the NL in hitting with runners in
scoring position. So much for moving guys up.
- If you consider only Floyd and Murton as our
"RF" position, on a combined basis they'd be
tied for first in runs scored (27). They'd be
hitting an acceptable .287 while ranking third
on the team in RBIs. That's not a bad RF.
- Zambrano leads the team in wins and the ONLY
time he ever got to five victories sooner than
this was in 2003. And oh, in 2003 he won his
5th game on 5/25, not 5/26 like this year. So
much for Z "MIA"..........
- The "no threat to steal guy", Soriano, still
leads the team in SBs notwithstanding his
missing several games with a hammy injury.
And if we look deeper, it seems that Barrett's game-calling skills are very poor and likely a contributing factor in the bullpen's problems. Any catcher who calls for 11 of 12 fastballs (as was Howry's downfall Friday night) or 3 straight breaking balls (as he did for Eyre today) has to shoulder some of the blame.
Michael Barrett has long been overrated by Cubs fans and management, and his play so far is yet another indicator that he's not a "poor man's Mike Piazza".
The team's woes are not entirely his fault, but he has to shoulder more of the blame than you are indicating in your post.
by tville on
May 27, 2007 10:24 PM CDT
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That's an interesting and thoughtful perspective.
Decent point, but together they make up only 2/3 of a competent defensive outfielder.
The fact that Soriano leads the team in steals just makes clear how slow this team is.
by ksreed on
May 27, 2007 10:30 PM CDT
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The Cubs are currently..........
Floyd and Murton have combined for two errors so far this season. Again, not the end of the world after 47 games.
There is some validity to your point about moving guys up - a problem since forever with the Cubs - but if the bullpen was even .500 in holds/saves, this team would be in first place. Dempster spit the bit in an ugly non-save situation, but otherwise you have to wag the finger at Eyre/Howry/Cotts/Ohman for the lack of "dubyahs" for this ball club.
by tville on
May 27, 2007 10:49 PM CDT
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There's a reason Blanco was Maddux's caddy
by SackMan on
May 27, 2007 10:33 PM CDT
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Bad defensive catcher
by Fraggin Judge on
May 28, 2007 12:26 PM CDT
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Couldn't agree more
by wicubfan on
May 28, 2007 4:24 PM CDT
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when your relief pitching is bad..
by JB 23 on May 27, 2007 9:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Statistically improbable...
by SackMan on
May 27, 2007 10:34 PM CDT
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Good news!
by ronsanto10 on May 27, 2007 9:46 PM CDT 0 recs
I'd say the consistency of the offense is
Linebrink would be an excellent addition, but he was available all offseason and there weren't any offers good enough to pry him away from the Padres, so obviously he's not coming cheap. I can't think of any ML ready talent that the Cubs can offer. Maybe Jones since they are thin in LF. Maybe a lefty reliever, but ours look like crap. It's going to take a combination of players to get the job done and the Cubs would have to part with at least one of their more prominent prospects to get him. I think you make that sacrifice if you think this team can win now. If not, then you ride it out and try to find a solution in house.
by JD McCubbie on May 27, 2007 9:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Agreed
by Fraggin Judge on
May 28, 2007 12:28 PM CDT
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Back from Game
After serving up that fat pitch to Ethier and then summarily dismissed by Piniella, Eyre sat down in the dugout and sat there in a zombie-like trance - kinda like Howry on Friday. I am beginning to think that this pattern of failure has settled deep into their pysche and there now exists a systemic problem that will be difficult to solve. I don't know what the answer is, but I pray Hendry/Piniella/Rothschild are working it.
Better luck tomorrow back home in Wrigley - I will be barbequeing with friends and saluting our Armed Forces with many cold beverages, and in the process hopefully forget this most forgetable series.
by JFCubFan on May 27, 2007 9:54 PM CDT 0 recs
So many things wrong with this game
- Why isn't Soriano scoring from 1st on Theriot's gapper in the 8th? Instead, that punk ass lucks out and he scores anyway on Lee's hit.
- Why is Barrett, an RBI guy, laying down a sacrifice bunt with runners on 1st (Lee) and 2nd (Theriot)later in the 8th?
- Why can't we score more than 1 god damn run in that inning?
- Lou goes by the book and puts in a lefty to face a lefty leading off the bottom of the 8th. However, the book doesn't apply to this team, and Ethier homers to tie the game. We need 3 hits to score 1 run... and they come back and do it in 1 at-bat.
- Top of the 9th, Izuseless actually leads off with a walk, and instead of sending in Marquis to lay down a sacrifice bunt, Lou sends in Floyd to swing away. A total wasted lead-off walk... and a compete head scratcher after Lou sends Barrett to sacrifice with runners on 1st and 2nd in the 8th.
- Guzman sits down his 1st 6 batters, then falls apart in the 11th. With the bases loaded, Lou brings in Marmol? Lou used Marmol late in a game earlier this week, and he was so god damn wild, he made Rick Vaugn look tame. Yeah, great decision there Lou.Marmol hits Pierre to bring in the winning run.
by SackMan on May 27, 2007 10:18 PM CDT 0 recs
yep
- Soriano can't run. His hamstring is hindering him.
- I think that's the right call, but Barrett didn't execute it well. Nobody on this team can bunt with any consistency.
- We consistently fail to put together rallies.
- Right on.
- Right on.
- Right on.
by ksreed on
May 27, 2007 10:23 PM CDT
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Why the heck is sending Barrett to bunt
He's batting clean-up for crying outfucking loud!!!!
He's supposed to drive in runs, not lay down bunts with runners on 1st and 2nd and no out.
by SackMan on
May 27, 2007 10:28 PM CDT
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He's batting clean up
by ksreed on
May 27, 2007 10:30 PM CDT
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re: he's batting cleanup
But, in any god damn fucking line-up, you don't ask your clean-up hitter to lay down a bunt with runners on 1st and 2nd and no out.
And, i wouldn't ask Michael Barrett to do that no matter hwere he was hitting in this line-up. Barrett's an RBI guy. His job is to drive in run's...
by SackMan on
May 27, 2007 10:37 PM CDT
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Precisely!!
I gotta think the bewildering play of this cast of characters is finally getting to him. He's so distraught he's not sure what to do and when.
He needs a MAJOR BLOWUP complete with an EJECTION in the very near future. Only then might he be able to cope with the cards he's been dealt........
by tville on
May 27, 2007 10:33 PM CDT
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The Brew Crew have lost 5 in a row
by SackMan on May 27, 2007 10:26 PM CDT 0 recs
Tough one today...
his warmup ball to #1 son when he left the bullpen. Should have known better.
Anyway, nice to see so many Cubbie fans in LA. But it would be better to see them win once in a while.
by bison on May 27, 2007 10:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Lack of fundamentals...
The biggest problem I have with this team is they cannot do the little things in baseball that ALL of us were taught when we were 8,9,10 years old. I can accept getting beat on days where you play smart baseball - I will not accept losing on days when you keep beating yourself. And this team continues to do that.
I want to believe that this is a good team, but, in my heart, I know they are not. I think Lou is starting to see that as well.
by ilovepie on May 27, 2007 10:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Sweet Lou
When he goes to take out Wuertz to open the seventh, it looked as if his move was even being questioned from the dugout. He looked back at the dugout throwing his arms in the air as if to say "what the heck". I've never seen a manager backpedaling on the way to the mound before. Anyone else catch that? He's told us he wants power arms in the bullpen, so he can groom a new closer.
He has had a chance to use Guzman in the setup role twice now and hasn't done it. Seeing if he can handle the eighth first sounds like a good idea to me, isn't that how one would go about "grooming" a closer?
So I guess all that was talk to scare our pair of 5 million dollar relievers who can't get people out. How's that working out for you Lou?
by TheRamZamDLEE on May 27, 2007 10:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah, I saw that
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
May 27, 2007 11:11 PM CDT
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He was buying some time...
by Fraggin Judge on
May 28, 2007 12:31 PM CDT
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Why? Why? Why?
by teacher tom on May 27, 2007 10:51 PM CDT 0 recs
To Live and Die in LA
And, the new Dodgers parking rules are a smash hit, in my world. With 51K -- I was out of that lot in 15 mins. No more clusterF.
And, Dodger Stadium looks pretty darn good. The old gal doesn't look her age. But you know a new stadium lurks....Los Angeles likes new, shiny things....and a sparkling downtown ballpark will eventually appear. (I know many of you in LA don't agree, and I'd hate to see it, but that will happen -- with a "Football Village" in the Ravine, and the Saints will come marching in........oops, off topic.)
OK, that's the good. Now the not-so-good.
All right, I'll give Rich Hill the benefit of the doubt. he rebounded from last Tuesday night in SD.
My take is similar to Al (although I was only partially kidding about Eyre DFA) but this trip could really have been 4-2. This should have been a sweep in LA. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
This, even though the Cubs left 9 on base, and 5 RISP. (If I hear ONE more time from some swarmy out-of-town announcer (Not YOU, Vinnie -- you say whatever you want) "The Cubs are one of the best teams w/ RISP" (As Matt V must have said 20 times on Saturday) I'm GONNA sceam, for that stat is meaningless, if the pen can't do the job.
Erye shouldn't be anywhere near a rubber. I cringed when he waddled in. And, Guzman SHOULD NOT have been out there in the 9th, no way. It HAD to be Depmster in that slot, assume he holds -- and pray that somehow, the bottom of the order gets it done in the top of the 12th.
So, Lou has to take some of the heat -- but this could, and should have been a 1-0 victory.
This should have been a successful weekend in Hollywood.
But doesn't this HAVE to even out? I was told by a friend watching in LA that Vin was discussing the unusual position the Cubs find themselves in, for the statistics seem to tell another story -- with the pen (obviously) as the reason for this sub .500 record. Vasgergian made the same point on Fox yesterday.
So -- can we stretch a bit? What if the pen can be turned around? Again, in the Comedy Central -- it seems as if only the Cubs could challenge the Brewers. If you think WE have problems, look at everybody else in this crappy division.
I'd love to squeeze Scotty Linebrink out of the Padres -- but J. Jones as bait just isn't gonna do it. They need a power, right handed bat. But why should they make ANY trades, really -- The Pads have lost only 9 games at home this year. Pitching wins at Petco -- what if somebody goes down? Their pitching might be the best in the NL right now -- I believe they now lead in ERA. (I haven't checked) I bet the Padres will stand pat. Kevin Towers has struck gold with players nobody else wants, why change a winning hand? Jones won't help them, and we're stuck with him, and Eyre.
Hope isn't lost yet, but it's stuck in traffic on the Golden State Freeway.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 27, 2007 11:10 PM CDT 0 recs
At last
by tharr on
May 28, 2007 12:25 AM CDT
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Murder the Marlins!
by scottsdalecubs on May 27, 2007 11:39 PM CDT 0 recs


