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Things That Are More Fun Than Last Night's Game

The Marlins beat the Cubs last night 9-0.

That's really all that can be said about the game. It's almost as if the Cubs didn't even show up. They had only five hits and a walk, and even though I said to Howard after Dan Uggla's first inning HR, "One run won't win this game!", clearly, that was wrong. Uggla had another HR later, and just for information's sake, no player whose name begins with U has ever had a three-HR game. Might as well have, I suppose.

Multiple meetings yesterday, some involving players, some involving management, accomplished nothing -- at least, not in the moment, as the performance last night was the worst so far this year. So with that in mind, here's a list of some things that might be more fun than watching last night's game was:

There's not a whole lot more to say about this, or the entire series, which was a disaster. All the angst spilled about "changes", "blow it up", etc etc etc -- none of it's going to happen until season's end, and you all know it. Things do look bleak -- but turnarounds have happened, many times in baseball history, and far later than this.

But this team had better start playing up to its potential -- NOW -- if this is to happen.

Finally, here's what the Alfonso Soriano bobblehead handed out last night looks like:

It doesn't really look like him, does it? We were trying to figure out who it does look like. Some of the suggestions included Sammy Sosa and Ernie Banks.

But we figured it out. Click here. (But don't stay there too long, your monitor might crack.)

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He should be
Grabbing his hamstring with one hand, and holding a giant wad of cash in the other.  
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or they could've had him
flailing at a slider in the dirt.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should put Soriano on the DL
and start the bobblehead.  They'd probably get more production out of it.
"5-8-8, 2-3-hundred, Empire!"

by SyneRandberg on May 31, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
I don't understand how you can keep going to Wrigley every day and watch this dreck. Have you ever thought of staging a personal boycott? I realize it would have no effect if just you did it, but I'd really like to see the stands empty out a bit if this sort of lethargic, bone-headed play continues. It's one thing to boo - it's another to just not show up.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 31, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We've been over this before.
The answer is still no.

Next topic, please.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can forget......
about Al endorsing any type of boycott.  You'd  have a better chance of Jim Hendry signing a player who can actually play the game. ;)
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
Forget about a boycott. I just wonder how Al can put himself through all this suffering day after day, night after night. Or how anyone could.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 31, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BECAUSE
WE LOVE THE CUBS......PLAIN AND SIMPLE, WIN OR LOSE!

by IOWACUBSFAN on May 31, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because
masochism never really goes out of style
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw trash on the field like last year?
Ugly, yes, but at least it's a statement that will get highlited on every media outlet and will signal management and more importantly, the players, that the fans are fed up.

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No!
Classless!  Have some dignity and respect for the game.    

by NO100 on May 31, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: No!
I agree. Don't throw stuff on the field. It's stupid and unimaginative. Plus, it just prolongs the games -- which are too long to begin with.
"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking out loud
but I agree with you, guys, there are better ways to protest. For instance, fans can wear paper bags over their heads during the seven inning stretch. That will get noticed!

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paying good money......
to throw garbage on the field?? To wear paper bags on your head??? Just stay home......its not that hard, empty seats get noticed alot more than any of that. Why would anyone care what you do when they already have your money??
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one
threw more trash out on the field than dusty baker last year.
One of Us!One Of Us!

by HerrProf on May 31, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would only give them an excuse...
to stop selling beer earlier in the game than they already do.  As a beer vendor I implore you to find some more constructive form of protest, otherwise the Cubs will cause more money to be taken out of my pocket than they already have.
Life-long Cub fan and seat vendor since 1985. Someone keep me away from the knives.

by lairdude on May 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've been for trash throwing
for 2 years now, but only after the game is OVER! if they play like trash, give them trash as soon as the last out is played. i would love to see the field filled with trash after every cubs lose. it would be a fine new tradition.
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on May 31, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't disrespect Wrigley
Throwing trash only creates work for the crew -- its not their fault.  
Let's not become "those fans" --

by This is our year on May 31, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How old
are you, 10? Grow up.
According to BlueMike if you don't agree with his opinion you're an idiot or a moron.

by sue369 on May 31, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soapbox time
Victory has a hundred fathers but defeat is an orphan, as the saying goes. It's so easy to love a team when they're entertaining, filling our need for victory, but hard to love when faced with failure, which has been a staple lately, unfortunately. I have seen Al and his friends in the bleachers love the Cubs unconditionally. For most of them, their love for the Cubs is older than any other love they feel in their souls, and yet at the same time, they are not too blind to see faults, errors, and to be frustrated because love makes them want better things, and they will be there to feel the satisfaction if or when those better things come. It is, for many of them, a life-long love that never fails, is patient and kind, and you know the rest of that definition of love. At game time tomorrow, where will they be? Right there in their seats with hope springing eternal and they will enjoy baseball for what it is, a great game.
Should they be criticized for being more loyal than the rest of us? IMO, they should be admired, and when the victory comes, they will savor it best. It will come, you know. It will.

by shop girl on May 31, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs
are like that first girlfriend - no one has made you feel better, or broker your heart so much
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely said.
According to BlueMike if you don't agree with his opinion you're an idiot or a moron.

by sue369 on May 31, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You.
That's much nicer to read than have to listen to chants of "1984!!" when I left Petco Park, or "1908!" upon leaving Dodger Stadium.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.
That's exactly how I feel but could never put it into those words.

I just hope I get to 'savor' it in my lifetime ;)

by cubsgirl2 on Jun 1, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

boycott?
I would go to the game every day too if I could.  No matter how bad it gets, I bad day at Wrigley still beats almost everything else in the world. I don't know what you people think a boycott would accomplish.  

by This is our year on May 31, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I'm pretty sure..
what filling Wrigley for every game regardless of what kind of product the Management gives us has accomplished.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't blow it up.....
but they better make some changes and soon.  This team has not gelled.  I see nothing that will change this other than bringing in new players.  Jim Hendry should be fired Al.  There is no grey area here.  Someone needs to be held accountable.  He has assembled this garbage.  When is it enough?
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Make no mistake..
..if this level of play continues (with any consistancy) throughout the season then Hendry will not be back next year.  

The difference between firing him now and firing him in the offseason (or in the last 1/3 of this season) is so miniscule that it's really not worth it. Whoever his replacement wouldn't be able to make an impact this season because he will be stuck with Hendry's $300 million moves.

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With an ownership change on the horizon
It makes no sense to fire Hendry now, and bring in an interim replacement. Just let new ownership make all the moves.
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100%..
..calling for Hendry's head now is counterproductive.  What's done is done with his crafting of this Cub team, and if they don't find success then he will be gone.  The main problem with this team is with the players on the field.  The Cubs have the talent to play at least .600 baseball but just doesn't have that hunger, focus and chemistry that teams like the Mets and Tigers do.  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.600 baseball?
come one now.  Who assembled this "team"?  IMHO that is why Hendry has to go.
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Ok..
..in this NL Central division the Cubs have playoff talent.  At the aggregate level the Cubs have the most talent in the Central and should win it going away, even without all of the sub-.500 play this month.  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree....
Hendry brought these players in.  He has an attachment to them.  A new GM would not.

This is the same type of arguement we heard last year about Dusty.  The time is now.  Hendry has to go.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attachment?
They're not dogs...
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cold dogs?
n/t
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy to say make changes but what?
It's not like they have a lot of options.  Some of the common trading parts people propose are:

Mark DeRosa - Not with that contract.

Michael Barrett - OK, trade him for a bullpen pitcher that's probably not that much better than Wuertz or Guzman.  Do you really want to see Henry Blanco hit .200 or less for 3/4 of the season.

Cesar Izturis - How much do you really think you'll get?  Hendry gambled that he was over the injuries.  He might be but he's not very good.  He might get a grade B/C prospect.  See Neifi and that was only done because the Tigers were desperate.  Who's desperate for Cesar right now?

Jacque Jones - I suspect he is on the market.  He's not likely to be traded until closer to the deadline.  He might draw a grade B prospect plus maybe a lower grade one assuming he starts hitting.

Howry/Eyre - I'm sure you could trade them for someone else's bullpen fodder but what will that do?

Zambrano - Even if Hendry wants to move him, I doubt you'll see the Cubs get a grade A prospect.  Teams have not been trading top prospects for rent-a-players.  See Soriano last year.  Z would draw several mid-range prospects but I have a feeling a lot of people will be disappointed in what he would bring back.

Bottom-line, I don't see how the Cubs can trade themselves to a better team this year.  If they definitely decide they are out of it, they could move a few players but don't expect a windfall of prospects in return.            

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right.......
about the changes.  There are only a few players who would bring value.  I also agree that this is unlikely do to the uncertainty surrounding ownership.

With that said, IMHO, a shake up may wake this club up.  Start with the man on the top of this mess.

Also, if you are looking to make changes, do you trust Hendry to do the right thing?  

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
I don't trust Hendry.  I never have.  Other than the Ramirez/Lofton/Lee deal which he was only able to make since he had the financial dollars behind him, what other good trade has he made?  He's in way over his head.        

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've forgotten
the Todd Hundley dump for Karros/G'lanek.

One could argue the beggining of Hendry's tenure has been better than.....this half.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, let's not forget
at the time, the Matt Clement deal looked pretty good, as he came with a multi-fingered relief pitcher who had performed well for Florida. However, that minor league throw-in pitcher to the Marlins...nobody knew him at the time:

Traded Julian Tavarez, Ryan Jorgensen, Dontrelle Willis, and Jose Cueto (minors) to the Florida Marlins. Received Antonio Alfonseca and Matt Clement.

And there are these deals:

Dave Noyce and Gary Johnson to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Damian Miller.

Hee Seop Choi and Mike Nannini for Derrick Lee.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right
I did forget Hundley.   That seems such a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.  I think the Lee deal does fall under the financial advantage deal category though.  

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry will have a babysitter
for the rest of this year, until new ownership comes in.  I have no idea who that will be, but I will guarantee, you will not see Zambrano or any big names traded, before the Cubs have a chance to run those moves by the top potential suitors to buy the club.

Piniella seemed pretty loose after the game last night, and that tells me he got some things off his chest to relieve the tension.  I'll guarantee, he didn't tell Hendry he has the right mix of players, but I wouldn't expect them to let that leak out.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out waiting until the trade deadline is not an option with this club.  By that time, they could be 11-12 games out.  I think you will see internal changes with Pie coming back up, Jones getting benched and Blanco getting more playing time (probably half the games).  If they are within 5-6 games at the deadline, then you look at making deals.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
These guys have to go, but:
  1. How are you gonna move them all in the middle of the season?
  2. Even if you miraculously do, how will that make you a better team in 2007?
And with a lame duck as GM, what's his incentive for trying to clean up the mess during the season? He's out the door no matter what.

As I've typed here before, the big long-term plan should be this:

Keep Lee, Ramirez, and Soriano (only because it's impossible to move $136 mil). And keep Pagan and Theriot. Call up Pie permanently.

Replace everyone else in the line-up and on the bench with young players playing on league minimum contracts. I gaurantee you'll see better baseball played by rookies determined to prove their worth than the overpaid veterans we have.

Maybe keep Floyd for his left-handed bat. That's it. Anyone else would just be corrupting our young players with dumb baseball.

It'll take all the way till opening day 2008 to nearly complete this transformation.

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!
That is definitely the way to go with this team.

We have to (as an organization) start relying on our farm system more (like the Braves and D-Backs do) and just take our lumps for a couple of years, if the end result can be a team built from the bottom up, very young and inexpensive, with the same output as the "griseled vets" but with a far higher upside.

In this day of high-priced (low-output) free agents and inconsistent vets, building the team from the farm system up, is the only way to go.

I'm willing to wait a couple of years!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on May 31, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But ...
Will that happen given that the calendar is about to toll upon the century mark?  Somehow that miserable number appears to be behind the upper management's need to win now.  Stuff that happens in the real baseball world simply won't work in Wrigley until the organisation gets over this obession with the Curse.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on May 31, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Response
De Rosa: No need to trade him. No better alternatives.
Barrett: Do I'd rather see Blanco catch the rest of the season? Yes, if we get good players in exchange for Barrett.
Izturis: Whoever gets Jones should be forced to get him too. If the teams can split the salaries, it's a good trade.
Jones: The Cubs will get something in return.
Howry, Eyre: Probably keep. Decide based on career numbers, not season numbers. If you want to rattle the team, there are two good candidates to fire now!
Zambrano: Definitely sign, don't trade. Don't create a new hole in the rotation. Again, look at his career, not at this season's numbers alone.

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think
that the market for Jones is so good that the Cubs will be able to also pawn off Izturis?

I also don't think you'll be seeing many good players in return for Barrett.  He's a defensively challenged catcher who isn't having a good season.  He's not that attractive as a DH either.  He would draw some interest but not that much.      

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you can get
is better than J. Jones. We have a surplus of outfielders. Let's get rid of one and get something, whatever, in return. Just try to dump some salary. As for Barrett, I'd keep but I'm not sure I'd re-sign him. It depends on what I can get in return for him this year (probably not much, I agree).

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot and Patterson...
...question your ruling on DeRosa.

by cwyers on May 31, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much $$ invested
Thay maybe better, though unproven players at this level. Anyway, De Rosa's is one too many a bad contract that you cannot eat. It's financially prohibitive. So, we're probably forced to live with him until he gets so hot that someone will take him.

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they can trade to themselves?
How come they gave away 4 young decent pitchers for a rent-a-player Juan Pierre? Are they the only stupid ones in the league?

by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the exception of Zambrano and maybe Barrett..
those are all excellent canditates to dump off for low-level prospects.  And they should do it as a "shake-up" and to afford themselves the opportunity to play a few more of their cheap, talented division leading Iowa Cubs.  I hear Pie, Fontenot, Soto, Coats, and Cherry are all tearing it up in AAA so just rebuild with those guys already before this season is lost.

by Jerry Mumphrey on May 31, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had me fooled
I was just about to respond that this seemed a strange comment from BlueMike.  I forgot we have Blue Mike too.  

Do you really think the Iowa contingent will save this year?  

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to lose
Bring guys up, send guys down to AAA. Scare the pampered big leaguers. At worst, the team will keep on losing.

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The new owners
will not be thrilled about having multi-millionaires on their AA and AA teams
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's not much more to say
This ballclub is so disappointingly bad.  I am often criticized for being a "half-empty" Cub fan, but can there be any other type?!?  I thought the absolute low water mark was 2006.  But I was wrong.  Now things are even worse.  A outstanding decorated manager in the dugout, a $136 million free agent, turning the page from the Mark Prior and Kerry Wood nightmare, etc...  But things are STILL awful.  

I'm so mad at myself for falling into the same old traps.  "The bullpen will be outstanding"..."Soriano is a superstar who will get us over the top"..."No more Dusty polluting and fouling up things"  

Jim Hendry needs to get off his bar stool, walk into John McDonough's office and submit his resignation.  If the man has any shred of professional dignity he will do this.  He has been handed everything a General Manager could want in order to build a winning franchise.  Everything.  And he has utterly failed.  And he has utterly failed multiple times.  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know
I was pretty down on the team  going into spring training because I disagreed with almost every offseason signing (particularly Soriano) and thought they hadn't addressed some major holes (catcher, center field, and shortstop being the big ones).  I thought the Lilly signing was good, but that was pretty much it.  But then I started reading reports about how the Cubs were pounding the ball down in Arizona and how they'd be an entertaining team and the offense would keep them in a lot of ballgames and blah, blah, blah.  So I started to have a glimmer of hope.  I'm just pissed that I allowed myself to think this team would be any good.  They suck and they'll always suck until they get a new GM.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey,
I was in Mesa to see this good stuff in person. I could not imagine the situation, as it stands, at the end of May.

Mind-boggling.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take it to another level
Hendry has had the absolute perfect scenerio to succeed as a GM - he ran the farm system from 95-02, and was in a position to positively impact the feed of future talent to the big league club.  He has been given financial resources that 85% of the other clubs only dream of and has been allowed to spend it, as he sees fit.  He was allowed to bring in 2 big name managers who both had winning resume's to run the club, and they not only can't win, they win 66 games in the worst division in baseball.

Now, we can keep saying it's not quite that bad, or it was bad luck and so on, but the bottom line is this - Hendry runs the whole show - scouting, farm system, trades, FA signings etc.  And, most importantly, he fills out the roster and at this point, he is 100% accountable for what is going on with this team.

To make matters worse, a new GM is going to have a tremendous amount of work to do to clean up this mess, and I would not expect things to be in order, for a couple years from the time they actually step in.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As bad as I felt about Hendry before...
This really brings it all into perspective as to just how poor his "plan" was.  He had everything and has very little to show for it.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 31, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team has nothing...
...to offer its fans right now. The Brewers are practically begging someone -- anyone -- to take the division from them and the Cubs do nothing but hand it right back with a polite, "No thanks, we're too busy playing 'dumb baseball' right now."

At this rate, the Cardinals will probably end up figuring things out and end up right back at the top, just like every other frickin' year. I almost hope the Brewers hang on -- at least that would be a change of pace.

And I agree: The only glimmer of hope I see right now in the long term is that another disastrous season will surely mean the end of Hendry's tenure. Then maybe -- MAYBE -- the Cubs can hire a GM with some respect for statistical research, who can build a balanced, competitive team instead of desperately grasping at aging free agents to make an impact.

I don't give a rat's ass about the World Series. I just want a team that doesn't make me feel like crap all summerlong.

"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of it, Daver--
Except for--perhaps--your Cardinals' prediction.  I was one of those folks who went into this season thinking it would at least be an improvement over last year's meagre performance, and at best ... well, interesting with playoff possibilities (perhaps very long shot ones).  Of course, my late husband, who had a lot of faith when it came to the hirings of Sweet Lou and Soriano thought this would be the year. But so far--realising full well baseball can be streaky and slumps can be broken--this team is just freaking DOA ...

I think I predicted a 77 or 78 win 2007.  That might have been an overly hopeful mark.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on May 31, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: I agree with most of it, Daver--
Yeah, I didn't even look at the standings before I made that comment. I'm looking at them now and, wow, does this division suck. I'm not just realizing this, mind you, I'm just...astounded.

The Pirates are six games under .500 and in second place? The Astros have lost ten games in a row?! The Reds are 12 games under .500?!!

What a frickin' joke. I'm tellin' ya...all the Brewers have to do is win a game every now and then and they'll make the playoffs easily. I doubt they'll get very far once they get there, but, hey, enjoy.

"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou needs to get fired up
before this whole mess can get resolved. I've seen how testy he can be in a news conference, but I haven't seen an complete explosion yet. I really believe that it will take him throwing a base and getting tossed or chewing out one of his supposed superstars on national TV before this team wakes up.

I live with a Florida Marlin fan (yea, I had no idea they existed, either) and the last few days have been worse than 2003. Something has to give.

by NotreDameCubbie on May 31, 2007 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call..
..I had totally forgotten that Lou hasn't had a blow up yet this year.  I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that in this next series with the Braves he A)gets into it with an umpire and B)totally rips up his team in the postgame press conference.

The Cubs need a spark, so why not Lou provide it?

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those days are over
He probably signed something in his contract like promising not to criticize the players or arguing with Umps. He looks like he's in a daze on the bench. Just dumbfounded. Or stoned. Zero reaction. Expect the Cubs to lose 6 of 7 to the Braves and 2 of 3 to the Brewers. If not worse.

by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou can't right the ship
As stern as we have wanted Lou to be, he has distanced himself from the players.  

by coral on May 31, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Lou can't right the ship
Wouldn't distancing himself from the players make him more able to right the ship? Seems Dusty took the opposite approach.
"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sam-ar-dja...however it's spelled
I have not seen any news on him.  

by rbarnold on May 31, 2007 9:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's because he's stinking it up......
in A ball.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes
So he's gonna have to have a torrid 2nd half to make AA ball by the end of the year  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things will never change with fans like Al
There's no reason for it. These fools will spend their money on tickets and jerseys, even if they're the laughing stock of MLB. (I could venture to say that he's on the Cubs' payroll, but that'll just make me look like a paraniod nut.) Guys like Al will wax poetic about their team and complain about the booing and the throwing of debris on the field. What other recourse do fans have to show their discontent with a venue that charged them $8.50 for a 99 cent cup of beer? A team that has no, zero, nada life to it. At least Alou would cuss and slam his bat to the dirt when he failed, these guys just don't care. There's no life to the team. Call the medical examiner.

by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've never complained about booing.
Booing is an appropriate reaction to poor performance on the field. And I've said that before and gotten flamed for it.

Throwing garbage on the field is inappropriate.

I've hardly "waxed poetic" about the bad performance of the last week. Or did you actually read my posts?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He must have you confused with
Muskat.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one
that believes in throwing garbage on the internet?
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one that describes any offense this team
ever shows as "spirited".
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes
our very own cheerleader. I can see her with pompoms standing alongside Hendry and company as their press conference was being held.
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And of course, I 'insulted'
Freddie Bynum to his face, he cursed me and  I was flamed here.

Should I have booed him instead of saying "You Stink?" (not "suck.")

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throwing garbage on the field
is idiotic and classless. Boo if you want, stay home if you want, but keep the crap off the field- that reflects on the fans, not the organization.
Who cares what they think? When they go after me, they ain't goin' after no maiden"- Leo Durocher

by tommy veryzer on May 31, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classy?
baseball's about guys cussing and getting their Unis dirty, that's not classy last time I checked. I know you don't wax poetic about their bad play, but you do about showing up and talking baseball in the bleachers. This team does not deserve the support it gets every night. Fans have a right to expect good and hard play, not this crap. Other than storm the field nothing's out of bounds.

by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah- that is out of bounds
If you don't believe it, show up, throw your crap on the field, and let them haul your ass out and toss you in the can. Then you'll really end up with a "classy" group.
Who cares what they think? When they go after me, they ain't goin' after no maiden"- Leo Durocher

by tommy veryzer on May 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We All Want To Do Something
But the idea of trashing the field, and the mere mention of storming it are the products of an emotionally immature pea-brain.  Such behavior is not acceptable in any social setting.  You pay money for a ticket to be entertained.  If you feel that losing is not entertainment, then trash yourself somehow for being the fool you claim optimistic, well-behaved fans to be.  In other words, if you are truly that upset with the team--stay away; don't add insult to injury by espousing a hooligan mentality.  It is just such a mentality that is the genesis of many of our more profound social ills.  Grow up.
And so it goes.

by Luigi on May 31, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.
Besides, there's already a bunch of useless trash out there when our team is on the field in the bottom half of every inning.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost June and..
Milwaukee and Pittsburgh lead the division. Unreal.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 31, 2007 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seeing how Hendry let Baker hang on till the...
bitter end of a pathetic season, I see no hope for him doing anything major to this roster this year.  The fans will suffer through another agonizing year while he sticks with all his guys.  I think a new GM yet this season is exactly what we should be clamoring for.  The front office is just way too conservative even when they do spend.

by Jerry Mumphrey on May 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm tired of:
Seeing pitchers throw down the middle of the plate on 0-2 counts.
Seeing batters hit for outs after looking at only one or no pitches.
Watching runners steal bases on the catcher.
Seeing the catcher's brain freeze.
Watching Soriano swinging at sliders.
Seeing J. Jones miss the cut-off man.
Watching zeros on the scoreboard after the 5th inning.
The bullpen.
Fly balls hit in front of the wall and not over it. Actually, I'm tired of watching fly balls, period.
Attempts to steal 3rd base. They usually fail.
Runners always caught in the middle. They brought a AAA coach to address this situation and of course, he couldn't fix it. Where do you think these players learned how not to do it in the first place?
In summary, I'm tired of lack of fundamentals. I don't know if its the Dusty legacy or if these players have been this way always. Whatever it is, management needs to shake this team up by firing a prominent player who isn't performing. They need to do it now or it will be too late. Just pick a player with little trading value. Show the team that you're not waiting to get someone in a future trade. Don't give the player the hope of coming back. Let him see the consequences of his bad performance now. His teammates will surely notice. Shape up or ship out! Now!

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me up, I've had enough
That about does it for me this year.  For me, this team is officially done.  I've been holding off on calling it quits due to the general shittiness of the other teams in the Central Division, but for me, this series was a must win.  After playing so poorly in their west coast swing, I think it was absolutely imperative to win a few at home to get their mojo back, or at least have a few good offensive or pitching performances in some tough losses, but this team could not even manage that meager feat.

So I'm done scanning the bottom line for updates on their division rival's games.  No more scheduling my week around their TV appearances.  I'll check back with this site every now and then to see when and if the team makes any kind of moves to try to right this sinking ship and I'll probably be watching the televised draft to see who they select, but I will no longer sweat the losses as they pile up - there's just no point.

I will be visiting Wrigley in August to catch a few games of their series against the Mets that month, however.  Before the shouts of "Lemming!" start up, I should mention that I picked those dates because they correspond with my best friend's (who loves the Mets) birthday.  I just wouldn't feel right about calling him to cancel because I need to teach John McDonough a lesson.  

At least I'll get to see one good ballclub play that weekend.

Muskat!!!!!

by jasoniniowa on May 31, 2007 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Hank White...
...one of the many, many disappointments of last night's game was the fact that, with Blanco behind the plate, the pitching was still horrible. I'm not saying this vindicates Barrett. And I still think Blanco should get more playing time -- catching every Big Z start is a, uh, start -- but I just wish we'd at least seen some decent pitching last night.

All of our collective fears of the "fly-ball pitcher" Ted Lilly at warm, windy Wrigley Field came true in that first inning. What a nightmare.

"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly right
and Blanco wasn't a very good defensive catcher also last night. He hasn't thrown out 1 runner this year. He didn't provide any key hits.

For those suggesting we make him our starter and our team will be fixed, re-examine  your thinking. This team has got a plethora of worm holes. We can all assign priorities based upon our observations but I fear we're stuck with what we have until a new owner is chosen along with, hopefully, a new GM.

If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talent?
Why are some people saying the Cubs have all this talent and they're just underperforming?  As far as I can tell the Cubs have very little talent.  They have no center fielder, no shortstop, no right fielder, and no catcher.  Defensively they're below average at every position except first base.  They've got nobody who can leadoff or bat second.  And they have only 4 or 5 reliable pitchers on the entire roster.  Talent?  I don't see it.  

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Aram is now a better then average 3B
And if you don't see the potential talent on this roster, maybe you should take another look.  The most frustrating thing about all of this is that we have a ballclub that (without question) should at least be playing .500 ball (i think better).  

But don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from...

by lilkimmer77 on May 31, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with you
about Ramirez.  His range is awful and he has slow feet, which results in the occasional errant throw when he fails to get them set.  And of course every so often he gets hit on the head with a pop-up.  He's not the worst defensive third baseman in baseball, but he's definitely below average.  

I've watched almost every game this season, so I don't think I need to take another look.  I just fundamentally disagree that this team has all this great talent.  They are what they are, which is not a very good baseball team.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good grief
Aramis Ramirez has zero range at third base.  Zero.  He does field the ball hit directly to him a lot better than he used to.  But to label him "above average," or even average, is ridiculous.  

One of the reasons why the Cubs continue to suck is because they don't emphasize defense.  This team has defensive liabilities all over the field.  And it's a big fundamental problem.  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez is NOT above average
I've made this argument before.  Of all the players last year who played 3B for 400 innings, Ramirez was the 3rd worst in range.  He was only ahead of converted shortstops Wilson Betimet and Willie Aybar.  He was the worst of all regular starting 3rd baseman.  Think about it, how frequently do you see Ramirez go to his left or especially his right and make a play?  Not very often.  He's a very immobile 3rd baseman.  

And in another very hidden stat, Ramirez' involvement in DP's is extremely low compared to other 3rd baseman.  Check these numbers out:
Garrett Atkins: 1381 innings, 36 DP's
Miguel Cabrera: 1334 innings, 33 DP's
Scott Rolen: 1215 innings, 32 DP's
David Wright: 1365 innings, 31 DP's
Wilson Betimet: 602 innings, 18 DP's
Edwin Encarnacion: 931 innings, 17 DP's
Aramis Ramirez: 1353 innings, 17 DP's

Considering the number of baserunners the Cubs had last year, that is a startling number.  This says to me that he takes too long to get rid of the ball as he is last for all starters in this category too.  Betimet even has more in less than half the innings.      

His fielding percentage is close to the top but I think that is in part due to the fact that he usually only makes the plays right at him which are easier.  

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course his involvement in DPs is low
The Cubs turned the least amount of DPs in the league last year.

For every stat out there, there's another one that counter-acts it.

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does that counteract that?
Perhaps a part of the reason the Cubs are so bad at DPs is because they have a slow-footed third baseman with very little range.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Ram was involved in over 30 DPs a year in Pit.
33 and 32 in back-to-back years '01-'02. And he wasn't even considered a decent feilding 3rd baseman with Pittsburgh. Then, he comes here and actually improves gradually with the glove, but isn't involved in double plays...

Now... what's the problem. 3B? Or the Cubs revolving door in the middle infield? You tell me.

2B used since 2003:
MGrudzielan
RMartinez    
TWomack  (tour #1)    
AOjeda      
BHill      
JHernandez  
TWalker
JMacias
DJackson
NPerez  
JHairston
EWilson
RTheriot
RCedeno  
FBynum
TWomack (tour #2)
MDeRosa  
MFontenot
ASoriano (1 inning)

SS used since 2003:
AGonzalez  
RMartinez  
AOjeda    
JHernandez  
TWomack
NGarciaparr
ROrdonez  
NPerez  
RCedeno
EWilson  
JHairston
CIzturis
NPerez  
RTheriot

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that is a good point
I'll give you that.  I'll come back with the fact that Ramirez' range is also down from those years (2.72, 2.54) to 2.17, 2.42 and 2.32.  That's because his lateral range is poor.  As bad as the Cubs middle infielders have been, you would expect that Ramirez' range would be up with the Cubs because someone has to get the 27 outs.

Beyond the stats, I can see when I watch the games.  Watch how many times Ramirez will go to his right behind 3rd, glove the ball and throw the runner out.  Just make sure you go the bathroom before you start watching, it might be a long time ;-)    

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: double plays
Ever consider that maybe the fact that the Cubs used 7 friggin guys at 2nd base last year, and 4 at SS... was a major factor in their inability to turn a double play?
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt
that was a factor too.  But that doesn't mean Ramirez didn't have something to do with it also.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember how painfull it was to watch
Todd Walker, Jerry Hairston, or Ronny Cedeno try to turn a DB at 2B?

Then, to make matters worse... we didn't have D-Lee there to catch all their errant throws. We also tried Neifi Perez at 2B (when he wasn't hugging Dusty's ball sack), "We just need Freddie back" Bynum, and we even signed Tony friggin Womack... all before finally giving Ryan Theriot a shot. Fucking brilliant.

Then, after Theriot succeeds, we sign DeRosa for $13 mil to cock block him. Again, fucking brilliant.

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pitching staff also has alot to do with it..
they've been near the top in K's the last couple years. But they still suck.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How soon they forget

the revolving turnstile of 3rd baseman over the course of 30+ years before ARam.  No thanks, I don't want to go back to that.

You can cherry pick all the stats you want, but the fact is he has only 2 errors this, and his defense is greatly improved since he joined the Cubs.

I don't know why Cubs fans like to give him so much grief on this board.  He's one of the good ones.  We have a whole roster full of bums, why not go after them?

by salparadise23 on May 31, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are blind
If you actually believe Ramirez is average or above average defensively.  I never said he should be traded, I just responded to the comment that he is above average.  He has no lateral range.  Just making plays on balls hit at you does not make a good third baseman.  Yes he's gotten better but that's because he fielded .939 in his first half season here.

Tom Tippett at DMB who does a lot more research than any of you rated him as poor in range last year.  That's the bottom of 5 ratings.  Watch Rolen or Wright if you want to see an above average 3rd baseman.  Watch immobile Ramirez if you want to see a below average one.  Note I never said trade him or the 30 years of revolving 3rd baseman was better than Ramirez.    

See you later.  This isn't worth my time arguing.      

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His range may not be good
but he has an above average arm and an above average glove.

He holds his own out there.  No one's going to say he's the best fielding 3b but he's definitely above average.

by Wreckard on May 31, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a really, really terrible stat to use
Double-plays?  What?  Why pick a statistic that will be influenced by your pitcher's propensity to induce ground balls, your middle infield's ability to quickly turn, and then number of right handed hitters you face?

You might as well use Errors if you're going to cherry pick some terrible stat for fielding.  Consequently you have some really terrible-fielding 3b on that list.

Obviously there's no great way to judge fielding, but if you go by FRAR (much, much better to use than, say, double plays or BlueMike's astute scouting abilities) here's how he stacks up to some of the players you mentioned:

2006 FRAR
Ramirez: 11
Edwin Encarnacion: 3
Atkins: 1
Betemit: 0
Rolen: 24
Wright: 23
Cabrera: 15

And here's some more guys just to give the list some more context:
A-Rod: -1 (!)
Feliz: 24
Bautista: 11
Lowell: 4
Chipper Jones: -3
Beltre: 26
Mora: -4
Glaus: 18
Chavez: 30 (!!!)

So Ramirez is pretty above average.  Hardly what I'd call terrible.

Chavez is just a wiz, I knew he was considered the best in the biz but when you see just how many runs that's worth it's pretty incredible.  And I knew A-Rod had a bad year defensively last year, but seeing that -1 really puts it in perspective.

by Wreckard on May 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I just say...
thank God there are some posters on this site that actually do a little research before spewing.  You too, bababenti.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 31, 2007 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will agree that DP's are a bad indicator
I was just trying to make a point since eyesight seems to failing some people.  Let me ask if I understand FRAR though.  As I understand BP, an average 3rd baseman is 22 FRAR, doesn't that make Ramirez below average?  

From BP: In the all-time adjustments, an average catcher is set to 39 runs above replacement per 162 games, first base to 10, second to 29, third to 22, short to 33, center field to 24, left and right to 14.

In any case, I'm done arguing this.  If people want to give Ramirez a Gold Glove, go ahead.  

by rlpete on May 31, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

22 is the all-time average
If you want to see how he stacks up against his peers for a particular year you use FRAA (fielding runs above average) where 0 is average, obviously.

He has a FRAA of 7.  Firmly above average.

by Wreckard on May 31, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love when
people post defensive stats and act like they're the definitive metric.  As you say there's no great way to judge defense.  Defensive stats like these are notoriously unreliable.  

by cubsbak on Jun 1, 2007 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only three positions are set
LF, only for Soriano's bat, not his glove.
3B
1B
All other positions are filled now by under-average players.

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
This team is just not very good.  They're not underperforming.  They are what they are.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that's an under .500 team
So why are so many surprised at how poorly they play?

by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a hockey player and die-hard Cubs fan,
I recommend everyone watch the Stanley Cup Playoffs for the next week or so, at least everyone would be seeing great athletes play to their potetntial and with some PASSION.  

It should be very interesting to see what happens with the squad within the next few weeks.  Not only are there continuous shake-ups/meetings going on, but we also have a vital series with the Brew Crew coming up relatively soon.  Not to mention, a pretty good Braves team.

At least it's a new month.

by lilkimmer77 on May 31, 2007 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Have to admit
I usually watch the playoffs, but haven't this year. Maybe after watching so many games on the Center Ice package this season, it's almost anti-climactic.

I can't get into either team, as much as I love the game. And, on Vs. it's out-of-sight-out-of-mind. I've actually forgotten the games are on.

The only good thing I can say about Vs. is due to their low/no budget for the NHL, they've carried the CBC-TV state-of-the-art hockey coverage as 'bonus coverage.' What a difference.

And, why did NBC save it's best coverage for the useless All-Star game? That game featured the best production values I've ever seen for US hockey coverage -- cameras were positioned atop  the glass, rolling back and forth gave an incredible angle of the game - that would help people that find it hard to follow the puck. That's been non-existent in the regular season.

The NHL must get back on a 'real' cable channel.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Field??
WARNING: SHOCKING COMMENTARY; READ AT OWN RISK

Someone commented last night that building a new field in liue of Wrigley Field might jump start this team. I have always loved Wrigley and the atmosphere and thought it was absolutely preposterous that such a thought would even come up.  However, in light of the past several years of Cubs failures, I'm beginning to think that this might not be a bad idea.  Other unthinkables have happened: Griffey traded, Gretzky traded, Beckham moving to U.S., A-Rod traded, Joe Montana traded, etc.

Basically, with new owners coming in, I think it is time to completely clean house and start over from scratch.  Building a nice new stadium (with retractable roof!) could give this beleagured franchise new life.  Look at what new stadiums did to the Astros (Minute Maid Park), White Sox (Cell), Brewers (Miller Park), Cardinals (New Busch).  OK, the Red Sox won it all in old Fenway, but they usually are perennial contenders anyway.  Of course, new parks don't guarantee success (Pittsburgh, Seattle, SF), but it can't make the Cubs any worse off than they are now.  Think about it: beautiful new revenue-generating skyboxes (I would buy one), more seats, nice concession stands, clean restrooms, comfortable seats, nice scorebard with instant replays.  Best of all: MORE NIGHT GAMES!!  Don't have to miss work (or school) to catch a game!  We can even keep the ivy for the outfield walls.

OK, ticket prices will probably increase, but if it means winning a World Series, it would all be worth it!

I know I am going to catch a lot of flak for these comments, but I just want to voice my opinion and after all, this blog was created to do so.  Things need to change.  99 years (and counting) is a LONG time to wait.

I would be interested in other people's comments.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you.......
looking for Al to come and beat you down?
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say tear it down too.......
its become a Frankenstein monster.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ballpark isn't the problem.
Not having good players is the problem.

So let's say they do this, build a new ballpark, which would still take several years to accomplish.

What sort of excuse would you offer when they suck after THAT?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew you.........
were lurking Al.  
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no guarantee....
that they won't suck.....but giving the players modern amenities might go a long way.....batting cages in the tunnels, bigger locker rooms, better medical facilities. Honestly, I'm past the point of defending a bunch of concrete and hell......it would not be a bad idea to get rid of the dozens of tourists that show up exclusively for the ballpark. If there's one fanbase that has the right to protest the building of a new park......its Yankee fans and I don't hear complaining from them.

The old way doesn't work.......tear it down and move forward.

RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think..........
Al is going to blow a gasket.

I don't disagree with you about the park needing an upgrade.

I still think that the park will go away once the team is sold.  Zell will split the team and the park.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The park does need an upgrade.
And it can get one, by being closed for a year and having the Cubs play at the Cell while extensive renovations are done.

That gives the best of both worlds -- a modern facility in an historic location. And don't say "the footprint's too small". They did it at Fenway.

Finally, yes, Sam Zell will probably sell the real estate and the team separately. And any new owner will probably buy both.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al......
don't you think that any sale of the park will be dominated by real estate investors?

I hope your theory pans out.  Unfortunately I have my dobuts.  Once the park gets put on the market, the real estate is more valuable than the park.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, because...
... the value of the TEAM is higher WITH the park than without. That might make up the difference.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you will not be shocked by this.....
but I disagree.  Zell will want to maximize this sale.  IMHO the team and the park together are less valuable than the team and the park split between different owners.  

Real Estate is king Al.  Anyway, there are enough other things to worry about outside of the future of Wrigley.

I am curious as to whether you would renew your season ticket package if the team moved to another park.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In reality
the real estate value and the club are dependent on each other.  Let's say a new owner comes in and only buys the ballclub and announces within a year that they will be building a new ballpark in another location?  The Real Estate value around the park would take a significant down turn, big time.  I am not so sure this thing gets split up in the way everyone is discussing, because it creates far too many questions.  If you have two different parties involved, the guy buying the ballclub is going to want a lease in place beforehand, and it would need to be one that gave them revenue's and options to move if they wanted to.

What may happen is this; the two may be sold seperately in different transactions, but to the same buyer.  I am no expert, but there are probably some tax advantages in doing this for both parties.

It's very difficult to survive today, without owning the ballpark and the revenue streams that come from it.  Sure, they could work out a nice lease arrangement (like the White Sox), but it is not the ideal situation.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,
the real estate value in the neighborhood would increase.  

More single family homes = Lincoln Park.  Lincoln Park = increased home prices.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take
my thinking was it was the Cubs success in the 84 season that really started to skyrocket the property values in that area.  If the club left, I would think losing the main attraction would be a negative, but I am sure you know the area better than I.
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, MPH73.
The upturn in real estate values did just about coincide with the 1984 division title. While there might not be a downturn, I could well imagine "Wrigleyville" to no longer be a destination for twentysomethings and young families.

It would be a monumental mistake for a buyer of the team to not buy the ballpark. Yes, they could be separate transactions; the company set up to buy the park could lease it back to the LLC (or whatever) that buys the team. I believe you are correct, that there would be positive tax implications from doing so.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nutty......
The 1984 Cubs had nothing to do with the positive turn the neighborhood took.

As for the area not being a destination for young familes and 20 somethings you are wrong.  The neighborhood is fantastic and offers much more than the Cubs.

You are correct about the tax implications.  Still, watch someone like Bill Wirtz swoop down and pick up the park.  Real Estate is king Al.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that's an owner
we could all get behind. But consider the group that has the high  bid has to get approval from MLB for the sale. Imagine if that group says, yeah we have the ownership of the organization, but the property was sold to a Dubai syndicate. Just how far would you expect the approval process to go?

The other MLB owners wield an imposing sword which leads me to believe that Wrigley and the Cubs will go to the same buyer.

If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Could MLB Do?
If Wrigley was already sold to a Dubai syndicate, what could MLB do?  The Tribune Company has no legal power to compel the Dubai syndicate to nullify the sale and certainly MLB can't "order" the Dubai syndicate to do anything.

Could they veto the sale of the team?  yeah, I guess so.  But for what purpose?  

by frustratedfan on May 31, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And
the terrorists would have won.

by NO100 on May 31, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think
that Zell would sell Wrigley in a vacuum? He'll talk to the Commissioners Office and they'll tell him that they expect the team owner has ownership of the Field also. I'll bet a ton that whoever owns the Cubs will also own Wrigley.
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live.......
off the Roscoe corridor.

The neighborhood is solid.  It is a great place to live and raise a family.  Ask the people who live around the park and the majority would not be sad to go.  I like the fact that the park is close, but the drunks tear up the neighborhood.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're wrong...
... about 1984 not being a catalyst. It absolutely was. That year brought the team to the forefront of attention, and its national exposure on TV made the neighborhood desirable.

Not sure how old you are, but I saw this happen myself.

And I repeat, no sane ownership group will buy the Cubs without the ballpark.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, I think both are partially correct
Wrigleyville became a bastion of nice real estate in the mid-80's and some of the areas between it and Lincoln Park took some time to catch up.  That urban renewal, though, certainly did catch up, to the point that it has spread much further north and much further west of Wrigleyville,  Lincoln Square, for instance.

If Wrigley Field was eliminated, the property values on Waveland and Sheffield would certainly take a hit, but any property more than a block away, IMHO, wouldn't be effected.  I'd think that now at least as many people find it to be a deterrant as much as a lure.  

by NO100 on May 31, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No!!!!!!!!!
FWIW:  I am 33.

1984 did bring more people to the park but it was not the top factor in "switching" the neighborhood.  I am having a friend pull real estate reports for the neighborhood.  I will forward them if you like. People began returning to the city in the late 80s due to the changes that were occurring.  Lakeview, Bucktown and other areas saw unprecedented growth.  

I do agree that the park was an attraction.  That ship has sailed.  The neighborhood is set and would not slide if the park is demolished.  IMHO, the neighborhood would be better if the park was razed.

As for your thought about the park being sold to owner of the team I think you are wrong.  People will want to buy the team to say they own the Cubs.   I agree that it would be best if the park was sold to the owner of the team.  I just think that if the land hits the open market, a developer will place a much higher value on the land than the owner of the park will.

It is the brand Al, not the park.  Sometimes I feel you are more enamored with Wrigley than the Cubs.  I love the park too, but I am not as attached as you seem to be.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neighborhood
As someone who lives close enough to Wrigleyville to be impacted by the traffic, I can tell you that I and my neighbors often would like the park to go away.   The Cubs aren't particularly good neighbors in that they bring in a large number of cars into the neighborhood, causing everything to drop to a crawl.  A small portion of the fans are badly over-served and take out their frustrations on the neighborhood (an on fans... two years a ago a drunk fan lunged at me as I Bicycled up Clark and nearly knocked me into traffic.  He thought that this was fun and I noticed, when I pulled off a bit further ahead that he was doing this to all of the bicycles).  Residents also, unlike street festivals, don't get any special benefits from having to put up with the Cubs (like, for example, a voucher sent to each house in the neighborhood entitling the resident to a free hot dog at a game or a discount on a ticket or some other token of thanks).   I don't think my property values will drop, I think that they will go out.  Certainly my living experience will go up if that traffic moves to the United Center/Near West Side or the Lakefront on the site of Meigs Field.

by frustratedfan on May 31, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are 100% correct......
I live off of Southport on Racine.

I would not be upset if the park left.  Having guests on the weekend would be much easier.  I also would not have to clean up the bottles, vomit and shit (yes shit) outside my house.  After the Cubs/ Sox series I had to call the cops on a drunk that was passed out next to his car. There is no way in hell the property value would decrease if the park goes.

All that being said, I would miss being able to walk over to the park on a whim and watch the game.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since....
we are almost neighbors, lets get together, have a drink and discuss all things Matt Murton. ;)
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fenway
The stadium is still dilapidated.  There are many, many seats that are "obstructed views".  I have sat in a few.  They did do a nice job with the new Green Monster Seats.  There is constant talk of a new stadium.  Nobody can come to a consensus on a new site so the argument goes on.  There is less resistance to a new stadium here (Boston) than you may think.  
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankee Stadium
The reason Yankee fans aren't complaining about the new stadium is that the current stadium is way past its expiration date and contains very little of the "old-time stadium" flair expressed in Wrigley and Fenway.  The renovation in the 1970s wiped out a ton of personality and replaced it with that "multi-purpose" feel.  I finally went to a game there in April (along with Fenway, Camden Yards and Citizen's Bank), and I couldn't believe what a sterile dud the place was.  Other than the outfield, the place is just like Shea Stadium or Candlestick Park.  I re-watched 'When It Was A Game' last week, and I could barely reconcile the old version with the one I visited.  

Wrigley and Fenway managed to survive due to intelligent remodels that maintained their spirit while upgrading facilities.  The Yankee Stadium that Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio played in is long gone - besides the most obstinate diehards, even Yankee fans realize that.  

by TMOX on May 31, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They might suck...
...but how can it can get any worse than it is now??

At least they'll suck in beautiful new facility.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good players
They do have good players this year....except they still stink.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they don't
The Cubs do not have good players.  That is why they're not any good.  There's no mystery to it.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you watched the movie MIRACLE
about the 1980 US Olympic hockey team, there was a line from Herb Brooks that really tells it all about assembling a team.  When he was going over the players trying out, his assistant coach Craig Patrick noticed that Herb Brooks had compiled a list of players that were not considered all the top players.  Craig Patrick told Brooks "your missing some of the best players" and Brooks replied "I'm not looking for the best players, Craig, I'm looking for the right ones"

Good GM's develop, sign and trade for the "right" players, the bad ones don't.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon
It's not the stadium.  It's the team.  

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is the stadium...
How do explain the wind blowing out last night only for the Marlins?  Cub reject Mitre tossing a great 4 innings? A pitcher with 7.2 ERA beating the Cubs on Sunday?  It's eerie....
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't be serious
with this.  

The Cubs suck.  The Marlins are better.  That's how I explain it.  There's nothing "eerie" about it.

Gimme a break.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eerie or not....It's fast become the norm...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrigley Field isn't going anywhere
The old ballpark is massively overrated in my book, but that's besides the point.  Wrigley Field is here to stay for the next several decades.  Perhaps someday a much needed major renovation will take place, but I won't hold my breath.  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree..
I know that a new park doesn't guarantee different results on the field, but...

I think it's time to move on. Maybe it would help psychologically. All the comforts of a new stadium would be nice.

I believe the old Idian burial ground is cursed.

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 31, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure
that this picture basically sums up the Cubs season up to this point.
The Stone Pony will ride again...

by TheRamZamDLEE on May 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The "meeting"
So why aren't we hearing more about yesterday afternoon's meeting to include Sweet Lou, the dim witted high school baseball coach masquerading as GM, John "rah-rah" McDonough and the General Counsel for the ballclub?  What was this meeting about?  Why was the agenda secretive?  Why was a lawyer in the room?  Is this much ado about nothing, or is something going on?!?  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Guaranteed contracts -
and bloated ones, at that - are the problem here. there are plenty of teams out there, I'm sure, that are in similar situations and would love to bring in new blood to try and stir something up, as the Cubs would love to do. But with Eyre, Howry, Jones, et al in the middle of huge contracts (not to mention Prior and Wood), there's little if any chance that any substantial moves will be made, eespecially with the team up for sale.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I'm reminded of the words of Dallas Green....

"Guaranteed contracts, not guaranteed jobs."  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Comcast...
...usually if you just want another digital box you can stop by your local Comcast office and pick one up.  As for the Cubs as I said yesterday they're done.  They haven't been able to improve their position with Marquis and Lilly pitching out 9of their minds and the Brewers playing like shit.  Oh well there's always 2016.

by jolietconvict on May 31, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al...
I thank you for this site, your hard work, witty insight, and Oatmeal Cookies. I know you didn't have anything to do with Oatmeal Cookies, but I like them and just wanted to thank someone for coming up with the idea.

Now about those Cubs...

You've said for awhile that this team must start the turnaround NOW. I think NOW just passed with this series against the Marlins. It's time for the contingency plan to go into effect. Oh yeah...this organization didn't have a contingency plan. I'm not directly complaining to you Al, but your the closest thing I've got to a Cubs Offical. Are the rest of you going to have to watch this team (in it's current incarnation) sleepwalk through the rest of the season? Didn't we just get our asses handed to us by a team that brought up all it's rookie prospects it could find in it's minor leagues last year? If Management knows that Wrigley will fill up regardless of winning or losing, why don't they eat the stupid contracts and let's see what the Iowa outfield is all about. Spending the $ for the guys currently failing the last 51 games seems moot if you can get the 3 guys from Iowa to do it the last 111. The money is guaranteed, so it's already been spent.

Didn't I mention something about not watching this last loss yesterday? You were hoping it would be the "kiss of death" for the loss I was expecting. Hendry's kissing booth is now open.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't Agree More
Said it before -- They only have to pay the difference between a minor league contract and the minimum to --
Replace Jones with Pie
Replace Eyre with Pignatello
Replace Izturis with Fontenot
Replace Howry with Geoff Jones (AA)

And finally --
Pleeezzz get Soriano out of the leadoff position.

Tell me what happened to the "deep in the count" approach that our new hitting coach was touting in the spring.

And -- let Larry Rothschild retire to Florida. I am so tired of looking at his sour face after another of his pupils --
A -- Throws the ball down the middle of the plate on an 0-2 count.
B -- Throws the ball letter high with the wind blowing out to center.
C -- Walks another batter who's hitting under .250 by nibbling at the corners instead of throwing his best pitch.

by ceegeewow on May 31, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and
D allows a baserunner to steal second and third on consecutive pitches while never giving him a look.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 31, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot
Is Ray Fontenot still available? (just kidding)

I remember him as "Oh no, Fontenot" - a 1986 version of this year's Scott Eyre (as far as effectiveness)

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

any word on last night's Postgame PC
Video link anybody?

(for the out of towners)

by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody else think...
that Lou should have blown a freaking fuse when Lee went down on strikes in the seventh?

The two previous called strikes (before he struck out swinging) were very outside the strike zone and Lee made some very disgusted gestures.

Your star player was getting hosed on calls and Lou just sits there?  That was his moment to blow up and cause a shit storm, show some life or something.  

by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had anticipated Lou...
blowing a fuse long before now. I think he may be in the early stages of dementia, or he's been abducted by aliens and the statue in the dugout this year is a robot. I thought we were getting a manager with some "piss and vinegar" or at least some passion. What I've seen is a guy who's shell-shocked by how bad his baseball team has played.  
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His answer for everything
seems to be 'Well, whaddya gonna do?'

by bloopsingle on May 31, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which was...
... pretty much the reaction of the last guy who held the job, except the last guy said "Dude" more often.

Maybe the manager's office is cursed.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's to hoping
Girardi will be patient and refuse managerial jobs over the next 1-2 yrs in order to finally be named the mgr of the Cubs who will finally hold the post for greater that 5-6 years.  

by LuisSalazar on May 31, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou has been a disappointment
that's for sure.  I know that everyone here is getting down on Hendry and blah...blah...but Lou has shown absolutely no life from the dugout besides the one incident he came out to visit Dempster on the mound.  

He honestly has this totally apathetic disposition in the dugout and during news conferences, making excuses and just giving a general 'to hell with it' attitude.

by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go
It's past Memorial Day so it's the "blame the manager" time of the season.

It's not the manager.  It's the players.  They're terrible.  The ghost of Connie Mack couldn't manage this team to a winning record.  

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall anyone...
BLAMING Lou. I do however detect more than a few people confused by his lack of fire or passion. He's only able to play the schmucks on the 40 man roster, and he has(for the most part) made changes with what options he has available. It's time for Him to give a couple players the swift kick in the butt, in the dugout, on a consistent basis. Yes I'm talking about  Michael, Mark, & Matt.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not blaming Lou!
It's a collective sucktitude that the Cubs have going for them right now.  I'm just saying that when Lou was hired, I was expecting a little more piss and vinegar from the guy then he has shown, that's all.  

by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I will not/cannot
blame Lou for the poor play of his minions, I will say that I'm a litle disappointed with the apathy he has shown early in the season. If barked at his players half as much as we do at our TV sets every damn game night, they'd get the message.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Why does Sweet Lou need to have a temper tantrum out on the field or throw something in the dugout?  Do you really think an act or two like this is going to magically fire up a roster full of highly paid professional athletes?  If you want antics like that, then watch the WWF on pay-per-view.  I have complete faith in how Piniella handles things.  He knows what he is doing.  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Just because you feel like throwing your TV out the window doesn't mean the manager should behave the same way.  That kind of thing can backfire.  I also have faith that Sweet Lou can wring about as many wins as possible out of this terribly flawed roster.

by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha...
He's done a great job with this team so far huh?  

Honestly though, I'm not blaming Lou for this debacle of a season so far.  But he does look like a deer in headlights and there doesn't seem to be any PASSION in him.  

It doesn't have anything to do with watching a guy blow up or anything like that.  It's about setting a fire under these players asses!  

by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: While I will not/cannot
Would they? Or would barking at them just make them more desperate, causing them to show less patience at the plate (if that's humanly possible) and to commit more boneheaded baserunning mistakes?

I mean, aside from THE RIOT and maybe Murton, pretty much all of the position players are, if not veterans, experienced major leaguers. Same goes for the starting staff. (I guess Rich Hill can still be called "young," but he's not a rookie anymore.) In the bulllpen, Gooz and Marmol are rookies still, I guess. Otherwise, all of those guys have been playing at the major league level for pretty long time.

Barking at players with this measure of experience probably won't do a damn thing. I agree that it would make us fans feel good. But it would probably just cause a lot of petulance and power struggles that wouldn't help the team.

I certainly haven't agreed with every move Lou has made on the field so far this season, but I think he seems to be doing is damndest to figure this thing out. Poor bastard.

"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do any of you know what Lou does or doesn't do
I'm sick and tired of reading this "light a fire under their ass" crap.  How do you know Lou isn't doing this?  Some of you are making summary judgment on Piniella's managerial approach via watching his facial expressions in the dugout via your TV set at home?!?  C'mon.  Get real.  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry BlueMike
But most human experience is learned through repeated observable demonstrations. If all we see is Lou sitting in the Dugout with a stunned look on his face, that's what we are going to associate him with.  

Bobby Cox will soon have been thrown out of more games than any other manager in history and his Braves teams won 14 straight division titles.  Now, I'm not saying there's a definite correlation, but he might have something there.  

Now, I guess you know what's been going on behind the scenes, so please inform us.  All I know is what I've seen myself.  But if you have some hidden source inside the Cubs club house, please, let us know what's going on behind the scenes.

by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Apocalypse has arrived
After having read the comments, I happened to notice who had written them. To say the least, I was shocked. As I read them aloud I heard the wailing of recent widows. Birds were crashing into buildings and ATM machines were dispensing hordes of free cash.

I never expected BM to ever accuse another of making summary judgment. And to preach moderation in the same instance. I'm stunned. It must be the end of civilization as I know it.

If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 31, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they'll be fine.

 I know that sounds crazy after watching them get drilled. But that shit happens. There's an off day. and you start the next series with your 2 best pitchers. And seeing as how there's no Hudson or Smoltz, I don't see why we can't take 2out of three.

  Oh and by the way The Brewers have been playing every bit as bad as we have. If the Cubs take 2 out of 3 against the Brewers ( something they've done before by the way) and one week from today we're a whole 3 games out of first in this shitty division, that ain't so miserable.

   I know, I know, the Cubs just lost 3 in a row, Bullpen, RF, "No heart", Whatever. The Bluemikes, Santoswoodenlegs, Sackman'sand every other doomsayer are ruling the Boards. Whoopee. And I hate watching them play like this. But the truth is there barely worse off than they were a week ago.

 I for one can see them turning it around. Hopefully they can too.

"I can't be held responsible for what I personally tell my goons to do...."- C. Montgomery Burns

by yahoodi on May 31, 2007 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hooray for ....
the 3 Amigos!!! Sackman, BlueMike...maybe we should get t-shirts printed up. They could read...

"The Chicago Cubs spent 300 million dollars this past off-season and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL - I already made my own T-shirts last year
And started wearing them to the ballpark in July with this wonderful new Cubs logo I made:

http://www.fortheartofit.com/storage/cubs-crap.gif

Won't be too long before I start wearing them to the park again this year.

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your going to hurt someones feelings...
and in this day and age, that's a felony. A bad felony too, not just a regular one like braking immigration laws.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I could just only sneak into the clubhouse
And sew the new logo onto everyone's jersey before they dress for a day game: that'd be worth going to jail for.
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or you could
just replace their uniforms entirely with some that sad "Washington Generals".
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what...
... ballplayers have a sense of humor, whether you believe it or not.

I'd bet if you found a way to contact them and get them some of those T-shirts, they'd all wear them under their uniforms.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you know how to contact them...
and they agree, I'll pay for a few shirts.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can email just about anyone...
... in the Cubs organization. Try the marketing department first. Their names are on the website.

General email address form for Cub employees is:

firstinitiallastname (at) cubs (dot) com

I do NOT think the players have these, though.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would be friggin hysterical
if they all wore them and went on a winning streak... and didn't wash the shirts until they lost.  
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumblings from ESPN
Tampa is putting Grade A talent/Grade A Asshole Elijah Dukes on the trading block for bullpen help.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2887921

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Grade A talent, no doubt.
But do YOU want to deal with all his other "issues"?

Nope, me either. Besides, what "bullpen help" do the Cubs have to give? They could have Scott Eyre if they want him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Dukes......
provided it doesn't take much to get him......which pretty much would mean anyone from our bullpen. If your not giving up much it really doesn't matter if he doesn't work out, its worth the risk.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad fit with the Cubs
Tampa Bay will want high ceiling, and cheap, bullpen arms for an Elijah Dukes.  Seems idiotic of them to be playing this guy after the disturbing incident he just encountered.  Seems even more idiotic to try and trade the guy right now.  But maybe that's why the Devil Rays are the Devil Rays.  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could never work out a deal with them anyway
I mean... what are we gonna do with another friggin outfielder?

And, the Devil Rays aren't a team known for taking on salary. We'd have to pay a big part of the tab to move Howry or Eyre, or even Jones (who'd be a 4th OF or DH them).

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dukes treats objects like women man....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha!
nice Big Labowski reference, good job

by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re
Absolutely not.  This is just another grossly spoiled athlete who thinks the world revolves around him.  He really belongs on the Cincy Bengals.

And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we open the browser one day and see that he finally went thru with his threats.

What he needs is to be suspended for at least the rest of the season and undergo thorough, long-term treatment and isn't reinstated until he successfully completes it.

Men under restraining orders who have previously threatened their partners have the unfortunate tendency to act on their threats.  Dukes has repeatedly demonstrated how well he fits this pattern of behavior.  The Cubs have enough issues without adding this nutcase to the list.

by Jed Taylor on May 31, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saltalamacchia
Jayson Stark at ESPN implies the Braves would take offers for Mr. Long Last Name.

Any ideas what the Cubs would have to give up for a bonafide Catch & Hit catcher?

"You call that pitching? This is baseball! Not tennis!" Ham Porter

by N Oakley on May 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano.......
for starters.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's leaving anyway,
this would be an acceptable return.
"You call that pitching? This is baseball! Not tennis!" Ham Porter

by N Oakley on May 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be a worthy deal.......
even if Zambrano considers staying. On one hand there's a guy you can slot at C for the next 5-7 years for cheap versus paying a guy $80 million and tying up more payroll on a bad team. Salty would be an improvement over Barrett immediately plus the need for a C is pretty great right now, all signs are pointing towards passing on Weiters and drafting Vitters.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot
Saltamachia is a promising young catcher.  But the Braves are already blessed with Brian McCann (why can't the Cub farm system pump out high grade talent like this?!?).  I imagine that the Braves will want a premium young pitcher for Salty.  Something the Cubs don't have.  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Saltalamacchia
I think the Cubs should make this deal if only for the chance that some day a battery of Samardzija-Saltalamacchia could face opposing hitters.
"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with Braves guy
That GM is one of the smartest GM's in the league.  If this catcher is a stud, they would not trade him.  I hear McCann is not that great on the defense and they want to move him to 1st.  Braves don't trade off guys that they think are going to pan out.

by cubfaninSTL on May 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Stark
They have Salty working out at 1st base...
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by SackMan on May 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Braves GM says:
"We have our franchise catcher [Brian McCann]," GM John Schuerholz said. "So who knows what will happen? We could find another place for Salty to play. Or somebody else could want him and make us an offer where we say to ourselves, 'This is a deal that makes sense for us and for him and for everybody.'"

by John Q Freejazz on May 31, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs don't have what it takes to get Salty
The Braves are, once again, a playoff caliber team.  But they do have clear need for pitching help.  I imagine Schuerholz will offer Salty up to which ever team will give them the best young pitcher.  The Cubs don't have the commodity the Braves seek.  Sean Marshall and a collection of the younger arms aren't remotely going to get a deal down with the Braves.  
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian McCann is a diamond carat stud
He is rapidly becoming a major offensive force.  His defense is okay, but his pitch calling and ability to work with the pitching staff has been deemed very good by Bobby Cox and Roger McDowell.  Salty is a very good catcher in his own right, it's just that McCann is blocking his path.  Just like how a young catcher named Benito Santiago once blocked the path for another young catcher named Sandy Alomar Jr. in San Diego.  

John Schuerholz and the Braves are sitting on an awesome trading chip.  They should get a very, very good pitcher in return if they decide to trade him.  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe we are in agreement...
McCann and Salty are excellent.  I am focused on the Cubs acquiring guys like Salty, as mentioned in a diary Ryan Church before this season. Guys with low cost, low risk, high reward.  I'm hesitant to bring this up, but Sosa when acquired from the Sox fits this concept.  I'm sick of seeing the Cubs pay a premium on guys on the down turn, whether in the bullpen or on the field.
"You call that pitching? This is baseball! Not tennis!" Ham Porter

by N Oakley on May 31, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck.......
because quality GM'ing isn't happening with Hendry here.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Sweet Jesus!
I will say this slowly:

T-H-E C-U-B-S W-I-L-L N-E-V-E-R G-E-T B-R-I-A-N M-C-C-A-N O-R S-A-L-T-Y F-R-O-M T-H-E B-R-A-V-E-S.

Now feel free to walk back to that dream world you crazies live in.

by MrDurden on May 31, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to talk slow enough for you to
understand.

Looks like I failed.

by MrDurden on May 31, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we quote you on this?
Because I'm guessing one or the other of them will be traded, and if Saltalamacchia is available, I'd go get him. Now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who, in the cubs organization, would
the Braves take for Salty?

They won't take Z.

They wouldn't take any of our pitching prospects.

Maybe if we gave them Pie and Hill they might think about it.  But do you really want to make that trade?

by MrDurden on May 31, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes Al...
I'd like to know who you would include in the package for Hiram Saltaachica?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it's official then....
The Cubs suck and the season is over. At least after reading all of these posts.

God, do I have a migraine.

I've read that it's Wrigley Field that is responsible for them sucking. It's Hendry's fault, (which I have to agree with). I've read that Lou should be more animated or show some fire, or light some fires, ..or just light himself on fire, I forget. Anyway, I share all of your frustration, especially after watching last night's debacle.

I had the same recurring question pop up in my head though during the game, how can the Marlins trade away almost ALL of the players who were on their championship team, (only Dontrelle and Cabrera remain), and still beat us that bad, and sweep us to boot? (Uggla, is he a product of their farm system?) Their hitters showed patience at the plate for most of the nite. (I did see a few calls where Lilly got squeezed by the ump early on). But all in all, they just played better.

The Cubs hitters, especially Soriano, just came up to bat after that first half-inning and he's got home run in his mind,...you can see it. Let's take a few. (Baseball is all about adjustments. See what that pitcher has. Is he throwing first-pitch strikes? Ok, big deal. Take it. If he is, more than likely the next pitch will be out of the zone. Lay off it. Next time through the line-up, see if he's still throwing those juicy first-pitch strikes. Or is he now seeing if you'll bite on that slider?)  Not the Cubs. They just went ahead and flailed away, swinging at crap in the dirt, low and outside. There's no plate discipline. None. They'd swing at that first pitch and foul it off, then swing at the next one that was in the dirt, before they knew it, they're down 0-2.  

Finally,before I forget, those of you worrying about change, whether it's the GM, or the ball field, or trading away players,.....here's something to keep in mind...ask yourself what it is you're so afraid of losing if they do make changes? Is it the chance that they could have turned this season around? What is it? Because right now, as this season stands, you have got NOTHING to lose.

You can't lose what you don't have.

 

I never know what she's doing back there.

by MaTheMeatloaf on May 31, 2007 5:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You just hit the Nun in the face on that one!
If we can't beat a team full of 2nd year players, why the crap are we expecting our "team" to beat the rest of the NL?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Night Games
Still expounding on my previous comments on a new stadium, doesn't anyone think that with most of their home games played at night, the Cubs should do much better?  The day games killed them in August of 1969.  Also, coming back from a road night game to play a 1:30 PM game must be a killer.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They never do that any more.
Look at the schedule. There are exactly zero games this year in which they have a road night game followed the next day by a home day game. That's right. None. Zero. Yes, they probably should have scheduled the Marlins series differently (night, night, day instead of day, night, night). But that is the ONLY time this year they have this problem. In fact, they even got the Rangers to play a day game -- on June 21 -- in Texas, so they can be back in Chicago to play a 3:05 day game the next day at the Cell.

The Cubs can play as many as 30 night games now; most teams play about 50. Playing 20 more day games -- less than one per week -- is NOT the problem.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 31, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how......
you seem so sure about this Al.

You don't know.  None of us do.  The players seem to think it makes a difference.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Night games
I have to go with the players' opinion.  Those long dog days of summer can really eat you up.  20 games really is a big difference, especially in the lousy Central Division.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al,
Just of curiousity were you for or against night baseball at Wrigley?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was neutral, actually.
And that was in the day when I worked nights, and night games meant, for a number of years, that I attended fewer games myself.

But it was time, I suppose, to have lights like everyone else. I think it's worked out just fine.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 1, 2007 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its just an excuse..
If they won we wouldnt here anything about day or night games. When your paid millions of dollars to play baseball and virtually every other aspect of your life is taken care of for you by someone else, WHY WOULD PLAYING DAY BASEBALL MATTER?
They have unlimited access to massage therpists, physical theripists, doctors, people paying their bills, chaufering them to the airport, handling thier baggage etc etc etc.

Day baseball has nothing to do with it.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on May 31, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

absolutely agree...
DeRosa is reportedly the latest player whining about all of day games...here's a guy who was drooling to play at Wrigley (knowing full well all of the day games played), got his wish with a contract that would be probably be more fair for Ted Lilly, has basically been disappointing, and now is starting to make some noise regarding the drag it is to play all of these day games.  

by LuisSalazar on May 31, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loud, sustained applause.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 1, 2007 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For all of us still in denial...
The Brewers sure had a lot of problems tonight with the Mighty Marlins....

The St. Louis Deadturds are TIED with the Cubs right now and the turds are moving in the right direction....

All this were still close BS is just that BS...as after tomorrow...there are going to be 2 teams between the Cubs and the Brewers.....to have to jump over....barring any unforseen miracles....the WILD CARD IS NOT coming out of the NL Comedy Central (I like the NL Norris.....)

by kcjones on May 31, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

St. Louis is starting to wake up
The Cardinals are a shadow of their former selves, but they still retain formidable talent.  Any team with Albert Pujols is going to be dangerous.  If they can hang in the pathetic race that is the NL Central until they get Chris Carpenter back, then they just might end up winning this thing all over again.  

I travel to St. Louis for work each week.  Just got back home this evening.  Persistent rumor remains that the Cards and Dodgers are talking a swap of Scott Rolen for Chad Billingsley and maybe also Matt Kemp.  If I am the Cardinals, I make that deal.  This is a case of where Walt Jocketty is light years ahead of Jim Hendry.  He admits when his team needs to improve for the long-term and goes out and does something about it.  Despite having much greater financial limitations.  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY.......
Jocketty is light years ahead of Hendry. This is a classic example, exhibit A if you will.

As much as I hate the 'Tards, they are proactive rather than reactive. Why is it that Hendry waits until it's entirely too late? God that drives me insane. Again, what is he soooooo afraid of losing? Fourth place in this division? If that's the case he should continue to wait because he'll lose 4th place too. Hello cellar.

I never know what she's doing back there.

by MaTheMeatloaf on Jun 1, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its because......
Hendry's deathly afraid to trade away from the stockpile of 5th starters he's collected in the minors.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 1, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This now means the only...yes *3*
teams in the NL with WORSE records that the SCrubs are....Washington, Houston and Cincinnati.......

by kcjones on May 31, 2007 11:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brewers upcoming schedule
Again... as posted before, The Brew-Crew have a tough stretch ahead. And, as we all know, the NL Central can't beat anyone outside of their own division.

The Cubs ABSOLUTELY MUST make up serious ground by June 17th, or this season is officialy over.  The only breather they get is Texas...

Thu. 31 Florida = W
Fri. 1 Florida
Sat. 2 Florida
Sun. 3 Florida
Mon. 4 Chicago Cubs
Tue. 5 Chicago Cubs
Wed. 6 Chicago Cubs
Fri. 8 at Texas
Sat. 9 at Texas
Sun. 10 at Texas
Tue. 12 at Detroit
Wed. 13 at Detroit
Thu. 14 at Detroit
Fri. 15 at Minnesota
Sat. 16 at Minnesota
Sun. 17 at Minnesota

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on Jun 1, 2007 1:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Texas won't be a breather
Remember this:

The Cubs suck against pitchers and teams they've never seen before, and they'll suck even more against a formidable offense like Texas. I don't see it as a breather at all. The Rangers will get hot for that series, just wait.

by CubFaninNY on Jun 1, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember this:
  1.  The Cubs suck against teams they've never seen before.
  2.  The Cubs suck against teams with ex-Cubs playing for them.
  3.  The Cubs suck in interleague play.
  4.  The Cubs suck after acquiring big-money free agents.
  5.  The Cubs suck for at least three years after a decent/good season.
  6.  The Cubs suck insert favorite scenario
23 years and counting folks.  And I'm one of the young ones.
"5-8-8, 2-3-hundred, Empire!"

by SyneRandberg on Jun 1, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And why is that...
....Because the Cubs seem to lack any notion of advanced scouting, for one.

Flailing away at crap low and outside, or anything that's outside of the strike zone, will continue to be the norm for this disaster that is the Cubs.

They are always guessing. ALWAYS.

My god, take a few pitches. It's basic baseball you learn in little league.

I never know what she's doing back there.

by MaTheMeatloaf on Jun 1, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NL Central
I watched the Marlins - Brewers last nite.... I said on a pod cast preseason forecast show the Cubs were the best of a bad lot in the NLC...The
W/L percentages in this Div. Stink ! Good thing they play each other a lot or the winner would be
sub 500...........
Hendry should go he put together this disaster.
To wait for a new owner makes NO sense .. Hendry
would probably convince them it wasn't his fault.
Lou looks like he is running out of GAS.... another Hendry mistake. I wonder what Joe Girardi
would have done with these players ... I am thinking the manager of the year would have them
in playing a lot more aggressive.....

by FlaCub on Jun 1, 2007 7:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The single biggest
(not the only) ingredient missing is Girardi.  
"5-8-8, 2-3-hundred, Empire!"

by SyneRandberg on Jun 1, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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