Interesting Rich Hill note

by gharp on Jun 18, 2007 5:52 PM CDT Comment 11 comments

This is from the "Roto Arcade: Lockdown" article by Andy Behrens which I get at through our Fantasy Baseball page:

Rich Hill has allowed 32 earned runs this season, and the San Diego Padres, the team with the lowest batting average (.244) in the National League, have scored 10 of them. He gave up five earned runs in three innings on Sunday. Bob Brenly suggested that Hill might be tipping his pitches, and the Padres have caught on. Or maybe Greg Maddux caught on last year, and brought some helpful scouting information with him to San Diego. Mike Cameron is 4-for-5 against Hill this season with 4 HR and 5 RBI.

That crafty Maddux...

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This has been talked about a couple places

here and it certainly is not worthy of a diary of it's own ;)~

by pies20ready on Jun 18, 2007 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

one our pitchers may be tipping his pitches

and it isnt diary worthy? i understand that this has been discussed on tv and im sure in a few threads, but if this were true it would be a pretty big deal, and is definitely interesting enough to be worthy of a diary.

DON'T TRADE PIE!

by kylejo on Jun 18, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, it has been discussed elsewhere.

However, I do think it is a diary worthy topic. Carry on.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 18, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

On Maddux

In my opinion, Maddux would be a true S.O.B. if he had seen a glitch in Hill's delivery (AS HIS TEAMMATE!!!) and not advised him of it last year. If he kept that info to help himself, then my opinion of him would have crashed through the floor. I for one just don't see Maddux as being that selfish.

Mind you, I am not suggesting that Maddux, if he saw a new give-away from Hill should contact his former teammate and not help his current team. However, if was a ML pitcher, and found out that a current teammate had picked up on something in my delivery, and not let me know, and instead kept that info until it would be useful to use against me... Well, that ex-teammate could expect a fast ball in the earhole, and again, I don't think Maddux would stoop that low.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Jun 18, 2007 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

i wouldnt think maddux would have noticed somehting last year and not mentioned it, but im sure he still has good knowledge of his tendancies and gave them a pretty good scouting report, at least we dont have to play them again

DON'T TRADE PIE!

by kylejo on Jun 18, 2007 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep in mind...

... that Hill was horrendous early in the season, when he and Maddux were teammates.

Hill was sent to Iowa and recalled July 27, only four days before Maddux was traded.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 19, 2007 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's entirely possible

That Maddux DID say something, and the genius that is Rothschild ignored it or wasn't listening.

by lancaster99 on Jun 19, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maddux does not go through 3rd parties.

Before the game Sunday Hill said in an interview how much
Maddux had helped him and the other young pitcher last year.He did not need Rothschild to commincate to them. I would not doubt that Maddux would give his teamates any helpful info he could but I am sure he not deliberately screw Hill last year.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 19, 2007 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oops...

Sorry if I missed some discussion on this elsewhere -- I'll admit I don't wade through all the comments in game threads very often so it was probably in there.

I was just shocked to find that about 1/3 of his runs were given up to just one team. I wasn't around for yesterday's game but when I saw the highlights of Cameron's home run to center field off of one of those big curves my first thought was "I wonder if he knew that was coming?" (and half of Cameron's 8 HRs this year were hit with Rich Hill pitching).

I guess we'll know more as the season goes on -- maybe he's just hitting a bump in the road, or his mechanics are off, or it was just a fluke. But if they did know what was coming when he's pitching, I wonder if they'd try to keep it a secret?

by gharp on Jun 19, 2007 1:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was just being a dick....

....and bustin ya nugs.

Like I said in another thread, even if Hill was tipping his pitches, it wouldn't have mattered, because he had nothing Sunday. If his curve is working and has good break on it, it's hard to square up even if you are looking for it.

I know the two were close last year and they were always talking on the bench between starts and I'm sure Greg gave him pointers and tips etc. and it could be just the mere presence of Maddux in the other dugout, got into Hill's head.

by pies20ready on Jun 19, 2007 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs