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Griffey-Marshall/Jones Rumor

Over at MLBtradrumors.com, there is a rumor of a Griffey to the Cubs deal.  I am sure that others will see it, and I actually came by BCB to read what others would think.  I for one, wouldn't do it.  If there was someone who seemed ready to step in for Marshall, I'd be fine, but at this point, I just don't see that many more rotation answers.  Just for the Hell of it, I'll add a poll:

Poll
Griffey Jr. for Marshall and Jones
Yeah
92 votes
Nay
114 votes

206 votes | Poll has closed

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Hmmm.....
...I don't know what on planet this trade would occur, but if it could happen here, I'd do it in aheartbeat. You're essentially trading Marshall for Griffey. Soriano, Griffey and Pie in the outfield, not to mention the killer batting order. The N.L. Central is winnable. If the Reds were nuts enough, by all means.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 18, 2007 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would the Reds be nuts?
I am not saying that just because this would be a good trade for the Reds, it must be bad for the Cubs...

But, why is this a bad deal for the Reds?  Marshall has the looks of a quality major league pitcher, and frankly, Griffey isn't going to help them compete anytime soon.  

The one thing I will say is that I don't see the Reds trading Griffey to anyone until he hits #500, it would seem that would be a milestone that will bring folks into the ballpark.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Jun 18, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops
I meant 600 HR
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Jun 18, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IDK
You have finally solidified the rotation and now you want to blow it up. That seems undoable with the issue of Z's contract still up in the air. I'd mutch rather trade a combo of Guzman/Jones/Ohman for Griffey, even though that's HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

However, it also creats problems. What would you do with Floyd? You can't put Griffey back in center and Pie to AAA. Who would be the 5th starter?

hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 18, 2007 10:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

put floyd
where he's been most of the season... THE BENCH
PIE!!! GALLAGHER!!! AND THE OTHER YOUNGSTERS!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 18, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any chance the Reds would take into consideration
 That if it wasn't for us, they wouldn't have Hamilton?

 hoooook us up Cinci. Ohman, Jones and Murton for Griffey!

 You owe us man!

by pies20ready on Jun 19, 2007 1:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.
I can't understand why any of you would make this deal.

Griffey will be 38 in November. Yes, he's been healthy and had a good year this year. And you want to trade a young, promising starting pitcher for him, just to get Jones off the roster?

Then what do you do with Cliff Floyd? In case you hadn't noticed, he is hitting .312/.372/.416.

No thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 19, 2007 4:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree al
there is no way in hell i would do this deal if i were the cubs. simple as that. i dont think i need to go into why. i think you covered it pretty well.

by bennyha on Jun 19, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
We have Floyd, who kills RHP but can't hit LHP.  We have DeRosa who is strong against LHP.  That's not equal to Griffey, but it ain't bad, either. Meanwhile, we currently have nobody capable of replacing Sean Marshall in the rotation.

Griffey is having a terrific year, but he is an ENORMOUS injury risk, and only upgrades RF some.  Having a very solid young fifth starter is worth more than the risk associated with Griffey.

It'd be taking a step forward in RF (with the potential of taking no steps if/when Griff gets hurt again) and a large step backward in the rotation.

by SouthernCub on Jun 19, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Gallagher's nearly ready,,,
or if they have another 5th starter in mind, then the deal makes feasible...  Z, Hill, Marquis and Lilly appears to be a solid 1 through 4..  

Griffey's .949 ops would provide a huge boost to the lineup.  Lee's home run totals are way down and Soriano's power is under-utilized leading off, so they need another power hitter..  But yeah, gotta worry about the injuries...

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 19, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gallagher is far from ready
 From what I've seen of Gallagher, I don't think his future is as a starter. Not until he developes another pitch anyway. Like Marmol, He's got a good fastball and good 2nd pitch but that's it.

 They might be ok first time through the order but the 2nd time through, big league hitters will adjust and continue to pound them 2nd and 3rd time through.

 Gallagher right now as a starter??? That's just not a good idea or realistic option.

"Turn off's: Long walks in the park. Turn on's: Vagisil commercials." Peter Griffin

by pies20ready on Jun 19, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohman,Jones, and Murton......
Did someone mention Ohman, Jones, and Murton for Griffey?  The only way that could happen is if Jim Hendry became the Reds GM first.  Without Hendry those 3 are playing for the Joliet Jackhammers.

by Comfortably Numb on Jun 19, 2007 5:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tongue in cheek sport.
"Turn off's: Long walks in the park. Turn on's: Vagisil commercials." Peter Griffin

by pies20ready on Jun 19, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey is
a 10/5 player, he can veto any trade. Take what is worth, Sutcliffe and the Baseball tonight crew said Griffey would approve a trade to Atlanta, that is it for now, at least that is what is being reported.
Marshall and Jones, I don't think that would get it done. I would rather the Cubs trade Hill, I believe Marshall will be a better starter in the long run.
Maybe a Veal, Jones package. Griffey would be great in Chicago, I just don't think he would come to the Cubs.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jun 19, 2007 7:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Never
As my one friend commented, why trade a young promising pitcher for a player with more arthritis than a retirement home.  (I thought it was funny).  Griffey is on the downside of his career Marshall is on the way up.  Plus, we need a fifth starter.  

by mgfabc on Jun 19, 2007 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ill take
even if he is getting older, Jr. would be a huge boost. Not to mention some great leadership. we would still need a pitcher. If they are just giving people away ill take Bronson. So trade may look like this. Jr/Arroyo for marshall/jones/and maybe murton

by Kchance on Jun 19, 2007 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marshall
I'm sorry.  Did you say trade Rich Hill or Carlos Zambrano or Ted Lilly or Veal/another Minor league ace for Griffey?  Then no.

Marshall for Griffey and the rights to dump Jones?......I'll take it in a second.

Seriously, the next time someone says Cubs fans don't tend to overvalue prospects....point out this trade theory.  

Marshall is not that good.  Every once in a while, he has given us a pretty decent spot start.  He is not a top propect, and he does not have any real promise of even being a permanent starter in the Cubs' rotation or anywhere else. If everyone gets hurt this year and he winds up getting 15 starts because of it, offseason moves will ensure he isn't a starter at the beginning of next year - let's face it, that's the truth.

And frankly, this team needs the offense.

Or perhaps we can retool for the next five or six years and try and make a run at the playoffs in seasons where once again it requires 95 wins to make the playoffs.  Because, you know, the Cubs have such great success making the playoffs when it requires more than 80-something-ish wins.

Take the deal if it arrives, for crying out loud.  It's a good lefty bat and OF, cheap, without ten years left in the contract.  Meanwhile, you dump Jones and only give up a SP who'll never, ever, ever, ever be a permanent starter on this club.

To me, this seems like giving up little to fill a big need, in order to make a run at a very winnable division.  

Alas, it seems some Cubs fan would just assume make only ridiculously lopsided trades or none at all, and just hope everything gets better while doing nothing because any help will be too costly.  

Let me tell you a secret, guys:  you'll be DEAD before the Cubs win the World Series if you're afraid to make moves.  And if your measure of trade value vs. need really sees a veto of even this propsed trade, you're unappeasable by any REALISTIC evaluation.  You want something for NOTHING, and that isn't going to happen anymore.

What, exactly, is Marshall going to give us - and ONLY Marshall - that makes him so untradable?

This is lunacy.  If this trade reaches the table and I'm GM - Jones wears red and Griffey plays at Wrigley.  Meanwhile, our pitching staff buys everyone dinner for making a move to help this team score some more runs.

The days of getting D.Lee for Choi are gone - and they certainly aren't going to happen at this year's trade deadline.  No matter how much you'd really like it, the Cubs aren't going to get a fifth starter or quality position player for the stretch run for some large combination of minor league nothings, even in large numbers of nothings.  

Come on folks, this is a solid deal.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 19, 2007 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marshall
I admit, I am a 720-Cubs fan, meaning I rarely get to actually watch the Cubs. Thus, in listening to the radio and reading the box scores, Marshall seems  like a keeper to me.  Between his starts this season, and the way he started last year before getting tired/hurt (not surprising for a guy making a leap from AA), he has seemed like a legit prospect.  

So why do you think he is no better than a 6th starter type?

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Jun 19, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why...
... would you want an expensive, 38-year-old, injury-prone outfielder? We already have an expensive, injury-prone outfielder, and he's three years younger.

If I thought Ken Griffey Jr. was the one piece of the puzzle who could bring the Cubs a World Series title, sure, I'd do it. But I think it's pretty clear he's not.

Sean Marshall, on the other hand, might be a good starting pitcher now and in the future. The jury's still out on him.

Finally, this is all moot. Griffey wouldn't approve a trade to the Cubs, period.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 19, 2007 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely.
This would be a typical Jim "Old School Baseball Guy Who Falls Irrationally In Love with Big-Name Veterans" Hendry trade. And the Cubs would suffer for it. Sean Marshall may not be projected to become the next Barry Zito, but he's a sure and steady presence in the No. 5 starter role. You just don't give that up for Cliff Floyd Redux.
Mountie: I do not approve of your methods!

Ness: Yeah, well... You're not from Chicago.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 19, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey approval.
Point taken on the trade approval; I don't think Griffey wants to leave.

The "one piece of the puzzle" argument doesn't sell with me, because that is talk that applies to teams who are front-runners, not teams looking to get in the back door.  The Cubs' perpetual  business plan is to be just good enough to get in the back door of the playoffs.  They'll never truly be in a "just one more piece needed" position.  They may try and sell that political spin, like they do every year with the semi-annual bullpen revamping, but it's never truly the case.  

Remember, the closest the Cubs have been to the "one more piece" scenario NOT invoving the revolving door that is the bullpen was when they took a team with five spots in the order batting under .250 and told us all how they just needed one more power bat.  Then they narrowed it down to one player - the only player they thought they could get for nothing - Fred McGriff.

Here's my point: the 2007 Cubs have a BETTER chance of making the playoffs with Griffey on the roster instead of Jones and Marshall.  And Marshall will not - EVER - be a permanent starter on this team.  The "jury's still out" argument is just the usual overvaluing justification used to try and extrapolate the occasional good start of a mid- or lower- ranged prospect over a theoretical career that isn't going to happen.  The jury isn't out, you're just hoping for a better verdict after several more appeals.

Seriously, can you envision ANY scenario - if Marshall were a memeber of a different team, having come up through their system - where you would be advocating trading for Marshall?  I sure can't.

Griffey may not want to move, granted.  But I'd trade Marshall/Jones in a second for someone who's going to help this team score runs down the stretch.  Just beating our collective breasts and moaning "underperformers!" hasn't been an effective solution - in 2007 or in the past several years.  And I'm not one for watching the few, sparse, rare playoff opportunities pass by under the faint hopes that some undrafted prospect might turn out to be a servicable bottom of the order starter - maybe, perhaps, possibly - somewhere down the line.  

I cannot buy into the threshold that Marshall has just such a high ceiling that I shouldn't possibly consider trading him for anything less than what I would firmly believe is the absolute LAST piece of the puzzle needed to win the World Series.  I'll take a chance on a proven bat, even just for a year or two, before the threshold for getting into the playoffs again rises beyond the level that the Cubs will even be able to pretend to aspire to.  I wouldn't do that with EVERY or ANY prospect - Veal, Smardzaluffagus, and the like I'd hold to a higher value - but getting a bat who can really help down the stretch is what I'd consider value for Marshall/Jones.  His selling price is higher now than it will ever be again.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 19, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who
would be the 5th starter? Guzman? Miller? Dempster? Trade for one?
hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 19, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5th Starter.
Guzman, Miller, Cotts, Gallagher, et al would be servicable as needed.  Perhaps we could even get them to promote a top prospect for a cup of coffee (or more) instead of the usual second or third tier SP from the minors.  I know it's usually the MO of the organization to never, ever, ever, ever, ever promote top pitching propects for a start or two - choosing instead to promote guys we've scarcely heard of - but it may be time to call up someone we have heard of.

Right now I think we're looking at hoping for maybe 8 wins from the #5 starter in the Cubs' 2007 season.  I see no reason why any of these guys, with the addition of an offensive talent to the batting order to help out, couldn't be servicable enough to get the rest of the job done.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 19, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...
  1. Guzman is out of the picture as as a starter with arm problems again.  Miller is NOT "serviceable" - he's terrible.  And Cotts has shown no signs of being serviceable as a starter in AAA.  And Gallagher has been shelled as a reliever so far, so I don't know what makes you think he'd be tolerable either.
  2. What "top pitching prospect" are you talking about?  We don't HAVE any more top pitching prospects to bring up.  Marmol, Marshall, and Hill were the last of those that are remotely ready to contribute.
If you trade Marshall, you trade the last in the line of pitching prospects for the foreseeable future (Veal, Gallagher, etc) all appear to be at least two years away from being ready to contribute.

by SouthernCub on Jun 19, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: 5th Starter.
Maybe eight wins from the No. 5 starter? Have you been watching the same Sean Marshall as I have? The guy's got three wins already!
Mountie: I do not approve of your methods!

Ness: Yeah, well... You're not from Chicago.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 19, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes....
I've been watching the same Sean Marshall.  

45% of the season is over as of his next start, and he has three wins.  Assuming he gets a full 16 starts the rest of the way, that means he needs more than five wins over those 16 starts, which I don't think will happen.  I think getting eight wins right now out of the #5 starter is pretty damn near EXACTLY what we should expect.

You watch: once again, the moment of highest "sell high" potential will pass, just like it always does.  It will pass because everyone will vastly overvalue Marshall, just like they do every single Cubs prospect who comes up and gives a few good starts.  Then they'll get nothing for him, and he'll go the way of Brandt Brown, Gary Scott, and more than a few starters who gave us a few decent spot starts and turned out to be EXACTLY what everyone knew they would be when all was said and done.

But hey, why sell Enron when the stock has been rising all month?  What are you, crazy?!

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 20, 2007 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Yes....
OK, I'll admit I posted that comment a little too quickly. Marshall could very well end up with eight wins this year, though (last night's start notwithstanding) I'm still high on the guy and think he has a shot at 10.

In any case, I see what you mean about trading a player while his value is high. And I guess if it came down to a choice between Hill and Marshall, I'd stick with Hill.

Nonetheless, I still don't think any of the names you mentioned are viable candidates for the No. 5 spot. In my view, Marshall fits the No. 5 role perfectly and should not be traded away unless the Cubs can get a player of remarkably high value.

 

Your 2007 Chicago Cubs: We Keep Life Interesting

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 20, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE????
Marshall gives us a good start?. He has 5 starts this year
All them quality. IF he had ANY run support he would be 5-0
His ERA is 2.12. He has the lowest WHIP in the MLB and 27 strikeouts to 7 walks and he is a 6 '7 leftie. I don't expect him to continue at that pace but you do NOT trade a pitcher like this for a wonderful but aging and oft injured OF. I am a HUGE Griffey fan but lets face if he came to the Cubs the FIRST thing he would do is crash in the ivy and be out for the season.  Overvalued prospects are in the MINOR leagues not pitching lights out for
a month in the MLB. I won't say he is totally untradeable but NOT
for Griffey.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 19, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overvalue Marshall
The guy has done good this year, but he is not a top prospect.  For him to be good, he cannot make any mistakes.  He doesn't have that pitch like Hill and Z have that can be thrown right down the plate and still get by.  The best he can ever be, and I give it a 15% chance, is a Mark Buerle type pitcher.  If that can happen then that would be great, but I don't think the chances of that happening are in our favor.  

With that said I still would not trade for Jr., but if Marshall has to be included in another trade, I would not hesitate to trade him.

by cubfaninSTL on Jun 19, 2007 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a young PITCHER...
...with several years of club control.

I don't care if he's a low-ceiling guy, I don't care if there's only at 15% chance he becomes as good as Mark Buehrle - and you know this because what, exactly? How many young Cubs pitchers have been dealt in recent years? Willis? Mitre? Nolasco? Pinto? Can we stop pissing away young pitching, please?

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 19, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
We got rid of Willis, and gave half the farm for Juan Pierre. If you take back the Pierre trade, then I'd be okay with this. Yet, we need pitching and there's no one thats going to be able to help for the rest of this year. If this trade happens(not likely) Jim Hendry would have essentially traded Willis, Mitre, Nolassco, Pinto, and Marshall for 1 year of Antonio Alfonseco, Matt Clement, Juan Pierre, and possibly an aging Griffey.

If you want to trade someone like Guzman who is injury prone, I'm all for it. Injury prone guys do not fair well in Chicago ala Wood & Prior. You need stability and you just don't know what you're getting with Jr.

hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 19, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Gallagher and Hill projects as better,
then perhaps it's smart to trade Marshall when his value's the highest??

Many like to complain about the Cubs selling low.  Wellll, here's their chance to sell high.  They should have done so w/ the Mark Murton.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 19, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no,...
 and no. Although interestingly enough, I'd do that deal in a second to have Adam Dunn for the rest of the year.

by Damen Jackson on Jun 19, 2007 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: No, no,...
Based on how Dunn hits at Wrigley, that would be tempting. But would you really want to see him attempt to play right field at the Friendly Confines?
Mountie: I do not approve of your methods!

Ness: Yeah, well... You're not from Chicago.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 19, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If
He's hitting 450 foot bombs on a regular basis, I really wouldn't care what his defense would be like.
hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 19, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen Dunn play enough.
Yes, we'd care. He'd be brutal. He doesn't even belong in LEFT field, much less RIGHT field.

He'd make Jacque Jones look like a Gold Glover.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 19, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you asked me...
at the beginning of the season, no. But with a excellent CF allowing Dunn to shade the corner more defensively, I could live with it. I figure he's got about a season or so before he has to migrate to the AL. Might as well enjoy it.

by Damen Jackson on Jun 19, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will Hendry go after Tejada again?
Tejada's numbers are down and Baltimore sucks..  He has 2 years remaining on his deal, and Baltimore may be looking to finally move him..  

While Tejada's ops of .770 is down, it's still .100 points better than Theriot's, and Tejada's a better defensive player.  His zone rating is nearly as good as Orlando Cabrera's.  Perhaps Baltimore would take Marhsall, Jones and Eyre??  

If the Cubs are dealing Barrett and keeping Koyie Hill, they need another bat.  They could bat Tejada 6th in between Floyd & DeRosa..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 19, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs...
...are not currently authorized to add long-term salary commitments. Tejada is not an option.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 19, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it would be a wash in 2008...
if they took Jones & Eyre..  Only have to pay him more for 2009.  

So basically the Cubs will be making no moves then?

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 19, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can add salary in '07.
But not for next year. That's what I'm given to understand, anyway.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 19, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not actually...
 an add, but a swap. You'll see the same 10 million per show up as a long-term liability for the next two years, regardless of the player(s) receiving it. Hendry only need find a way to make the 4-5 million extra balance out.

by Damen Jackson on Jun 19, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what you're telling me...
...is that Hendry has been stockpiling veterans with large, expiring contracts so that he could deal for an impact player? I'm having flashbacks to 'Nam Bill Simmons explaining the NBA salary cap.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 19, 2007 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You lost me there....
 I'm just saying that the length and term of Tejada vs. Jones/Eyre is about the same. I hope I didn't miss a tongue in cheek thing there.

by Damen Jackson on Jun 19, 2007 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetically speaking
 If the Cubs could acquire a power bat for RF, who can stay healthy (eliminates Floyd) and chug away in the 5th spot everyday, who would you rather part with? Hill or Marshall?
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by pies20ready on Jun 19, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Neither
not unless you're sure Z is coming back next year.
hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 19, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
 Interesting. Do you often sing and whistle just for fun?
"Turn off's: Long walks in the park. Turn on's: Vagisil commercials." Peter Griffin

by pies20ready on Jun 19, 2007 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My
worry is that the team's rotation could fall apart next year and I want back to back championships. =)
hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 19, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to clarify...
...Ken Griffey Jr. is not a player of "remarkably high value" given his age and injury history.  
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 20, 2007 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

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