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Mount Lou Erupts

You've all been waiting for that, right?

That's essentially what Lou Piniella said in his postgame comments after the Cubs' sixth straight loss, 5-3 to the Braves. I don't have a direct quote as I have only heard it on the radio, not in an online source, but essentially, he said, directed to the media but I suppose also to fans, "You've all been waiting for me to do this, so I did it."

Lou also admitted that replays clearly showed Angel Pagan was out at third base on a very close play -- and he shouldn't have been doing that in the first place, representing the tying run in scoring position with nobody out in the 8th -- but I think Lou's outburst was carefully calculated to try to light a spark under his team. Didn't work, at least for today, since the next "spark" that happened was Andruw Jones' 9th inning HR (that landed about 10 feet from our LF bench) that put the game out of reach.

There were other mistakes today:

  • Rich Hill's failure to take the obvious play on a sacrifice attempt in the fourth inning, instead throwing the ball away after looking at second base. Lesson: when the other team gives you an out, take it! This was after a leadoff walk -- two leadoff walks led to runs today for the Cubs. Hill faced only three batters in each one of his innings, except the fourth, where he gave up all three runs (one earned) charged to him.
  • Hill's inexplicable attempt to stretch his RBI double into a triple. Why would you do this? -- you're in scoring position with the top of the order up, and Alfonso Soriano, hitting next, had homered (a monster shot, at least 450 feet -- it was announced at 420, but landed across Waveland on the fly) in his previous at-bat.
  • Will Ohman walking the first batter he faced after getting him down 0-2.
  • And, Michael Wuertz putting the game out of reach allowing Jones' HR. Then he struck out the side, too late.
The big event, of course, was Mt. Lou erupting, a calculated event, something everyone's wanted to see. He kicked dirt all over two umpires, including crew chief Bruce Froemming, and kicked his hat four separate times before finally picking it up. He was ejected before he'd done any of this, obviously saying one of the "magic words", and apparently just wanted to get his money's worth, in addition to inciting the crowd and maybe his team.

What shouldn't have happened is inciting the crowd to throw trash, including dozens of the blue travel mug giveaway from today, onto the field. That's never acceptable, and only makes Cub fans look bad. Boo all you want. Express disapproval. But don't throw things. Braves manager Bobby Cox pulled his team off the field -- appropriately, I think -- until all the trash was cleaned up, presumably because he didn't think they were safe out there.

For a while, the Cubs did a nice job of getting back into the game after spotting the 3-0 lead -- scoring first on Soriano's HR, then on Hill's RBI double, and the tying run on a ball that should have been credited as a hit to Aramis Ramirez, but instead was a tough error credited to Braves 2B Martin Prado, depriving Ramirez of a hit and an RBI.

In the end, another bullpen failure meant that didn't matter, and the Cubs are now nine games under .500 -- I'd say still perhaps in contention in the mediocre Comedy Central, but Phil's friend Tom stopped by with a 2005 media guide and pointed this out to me, and I think it only fair to mention it since I'm the one who always says "miracles can happen":

No Cub team has ever come from being more than 10 games under .500 to have a winning season. The only team to come from 10 games under to finish over .500 was the 1968 club, which on July 5, 1968 was 35-45; they went 49-33 the rest of the way to finish 84-78.

This team looks incapable of matching that, quite frankly. The '68 team was as many as 16.5 games out, never got closer than 12 in a year dominated by the Cardinals, the last year of a single champion before divisional play.

Something has to give, and here's some info I have not seen anywhere else: I have heard today that Daryle Ward (or possibly Matt Murton or Cliff Floyd) is to go on the DL tomorrow (back trouble, allegedly, despite the fact that he pinch-hit today), and Felix Pie will be recalled. Good -- but ONLY if Pie is installed in CF every single day, batting sixth or seventh. Stay tuned.

More info: the comments made by Carlos Zambrano on the Score today (regarding some "family problems" he had had over the last couple of weeks) confirm some information I had heard a while back, but did not want to post here because it was uncorroborated. And frankly, I am sorry that Z has had this sort of trouble (supposedly, something regarding his brother in Venezuela, with whom he is very close) -- but you simply cannot bring this sort of thing to the ballpark, or indeed, extrapolating this, NO ONE should bring these sorts of troubles to their workplace, if it is going to affect their work. Both Zambrano and Barrett were fined for yesterday's outburst, but not suspended -- frankly, the team can't afford to suspend them. But I do think, despite this from the above-linked article:

Zambrano and Barrett have expiring contracts, and both emphasized their loyalty to the organization. When asked if he wants to remain a Cub, Zambrano said, "Of course." Barrett added: "I love this organization from top to bottom."
... that Jim Hendry must, must, MUST begin to investigate trading both of them, and sooner rather than later.

Finally, in addition to all the trash thrown on the field, there were a couple other incidents in the bleachers today. Someone started tossing around a beach ball that looked like a baseball for a while -- frankly, I have never understood the mindset of someone who says, "I'm going to a baseball game -- I think I'll take a beach ball with me!" -- until security took it away. Good.

But security, I thought, was overzealous in taking away three brown grocery bags (from Jewel -- we Cub fans can't even afford the fancier-ass bags from Trader Joe's or Whole Foods) that three fans in the second row in the section next to us had put over their heads. At first, they told them not to wear them, but when one of the twentysomethings put it back on, the bags were confiscated. This is too much -- since when is there a ban on personal expression like this at Wrigley Field? The bags should have been allowed. Not only that, they were colorfully decorated with Cub logos and some other stuff I couldn't quite read.

Free expression, guaranteed in our Constitution, doesn't necessarily apply to private organizations like the Cubs. But stifling it in this way sure doesn't make them look very good. Let people wear bags if they want to.

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Al.....
Don't forget that Houston was 15 games under .500 in 2005 and made it to the World Series (won by White Sox).

There is still hope!!!

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 2, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
But not without some major moves. This group of 25 is all wrong.

by elgato on Jun 2, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to have hope, too.
But they've got to make changes NOW, and start winning NOW. It's almost too late.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm puzzled ...
... by the DL thing, Al. Ward will likely go, but Murton and Floyd could, too? Could all three end up there, or is this another Glendon Rusch-Wade Miller-style DL trip?

Oh, and you're absolutely right about Pie.

by elgato on Jun 2, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No...
... I wrote it wrong, I think. It will be ONE of those three; I heard Ward, but it COULD be him, OR Floyd, OR Murton, not all three.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably my fault
I thought you were saying each one was injured enough to go on the DL or that some Glendon-style shennanigans were in order.

by elgato on Jun 2, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red Sox
At least we can all watch the Red Sox-Yankees now on Fox.  It'll be a refreshing change from the Cub crap we just saw.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 2, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2007 Cubs="Hendry's Folly"
300 million for this garbage?  Makes the purchase of Alaska even more of a steal ... I realised--as it happened--Lou's tantrum was an attempt to light a fire under this team, but as they couldn't react in a positive manner to that," what the heck will it take?

Back up the moving truck!  We're having a sale!

"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 2, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano & Barrett want to stay?
The quote is meaningless.  At least they have enough class not to bad-mouth the organization.  After all, I think there can only be one Manny Ramirez.

As for Hendry -- do you think Brian Cashman might be paying him under the table to try to make himself look good?

by DaveinHouston on Jun 2, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Piniella ejection...
Does anyone think that Lou got himself ejected on purpose?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 2, 2007 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A little off topic...
Another Wartburg Knight on this blog? What are the odds?

by bison on Jun 2, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa?
Should I be shouting, "Go Luther"?

by Arbusto on Jun 2, 2007 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
Go Simpson.
According to BlueMike if you don't agree with his opinion you're an idiot or a moron.

by sue369 on Jun 3, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no...
Not since the mid eighties, anyway.

by bison on Jun 3, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not. Nope. 100%.
<joke>
"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 2, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piniella ejection was
such a phony acting job. Lou's rant was just for show to placate all of those wondering when he would explode. Coming after the fight in the dugout made it, to me, even more of a phony act.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 2, 2007 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he was trying to change the story
Now everyone in the media is talking about that instead of the Zambrano / Barrett fight.

by Wreckard on Jun 2, 2007 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think that Lou couldn't watch the game
anymore so he got himself kicked out. It a lot easier on your ticker not watching these games.
A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.

by diehardmark on Jun 3, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou
I vote that Lou is the one to go. I thought from day one that he was the wrong choice of managers for this team, and it is showing when players are getting into fights like this.

Barret almost never catches Zambrano, and if Blanco is hurt and is going to go on the DL make the move earlier to call Hill up to catch.

And what is with the ever changing arm slot of Zambrano, don't we have a pitching coach? Oh, wait he was the same one who took a month to fix this problem last year, so makes sense that he can't even see it this year.

by Matt on Jun 2, 2007 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I wanted, and still do want to see
Girardi in Chicago to coach this team, I don't think it's time for Lou to go right now.  I think Girardi, or somebody else,  is the longterm solution, but the Cubs are thinking shortterm and they truly think they can win now with this foundation and a few needed changes. (now, that is certainly up for debate, but it is what they feel)  The time to get rid of Lou is when they've finally decided to start over, rebuild, and build this thing from scratch....which may be close.  To bring anyone else right now with this bunch would be unfair.  

I do think there are better choices for manager than Lou, but at this time Lou is really not the problem.  He's actually probably the best guy to try to turn this thing around quickly with a group of overpaid, supposedly superstar veterans.  Lou won't be here long and the Cubs know that.  If they truly believe they can win quickly with the foundation they've paid for over hte last year, then you really have to give Lou his fair shot and see what happens......he looks frustrated right now, but who the heck wouldn't be in his shoes.  I really don't know what Lou could do better, other than to play some of these younger guys a little more.  These guys are all professionals, most of whom have played for other successful teams previously, and should know how to play fundamental baseball and what it does take to win.  They all seem to have forgotten what it does take......somewhere Dusty is laughing with his son in a fishing boat.

by LuisSalazar on Jun 2, 2007 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JJ strikes out with bases loaded
I don't know about you but this really bothered me.

Watching this game on WGN, the Cubs had bases loaded and one out in the 4th when Jones came up to bat. The first two pitches were clearly out of the strike zone yet he swung away. I couldn't tell if his eyes were closed or not. Then with a 2 strike count he failed to protect himself on the third called strike.

Aren't the batting coaches working with this guy? How many times this year already has Jones come up with runners in scoring position and either GIDP'd or struck out like today?

Seriously, I hope Hendry is shopping this guy to any suckers out there for a decent RP.

by JFCubFan on Jun 2, 2007 4:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two choices
He could have struck out, or he could have grounded into a double play. Nothing else was possible in that AB, unless by some miracle, he got hit by a pitch.

Stiking out was the lesser of two evils in this case.

"I lof to hit de home ron."

by Tekboy on Jun 2, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right
Although I thought he got hosed on 2 outside corners later in the game to strike out, he swung at two way out of the zone.  This was the very next batter AFTER Pagan had walked on four or five pitches.  He out thought himself which I have seen with a lot of the Cubs this year.  With the bases loaded they automatically think a fastball will be grooved for them for some reason.

by MerigoldBowling on Jun 2, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone said, "Like Houston did."
So - the CUBS need to go about 61-52 to even reach .500.

What, in recent history, would indicate to you eternal Cubbie Optimists that this current team could replicate the Houston Astro team of a few years ago who fired their manager and had Roger Clemens, Andy Petitte, and Roy Oswalt - I think even Wade Miller in his prime (when he could actually pitch) was on this come-from-behind team.

Would you please get a clue and start studying Cubs baseball and understand that the relief staff has lost 15 games??!! 15! And its the beginning of JUNE!!!!

WTF are you SMOKING?

As I and several others have been saying since the West Coast road trip. ITS OVER!!!

YES. Indeed! On the bright side, as I said a couple days ago, we lasted a couple more weeks than last year before the white flag is raised, so there certainly is progress.

AL - when will you finally throw in the towel THIS year?

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jun 2, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TheEman...
I don't want to see you jumping on the bandwagon when we make the playoffs this year..
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 2, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RONSanto...
You are one of the CUBBIE fans who tolerates everything and thinks the team is always in it."Oh, if they can just get this one, they'll turn the corner..." HA!

That is your perrogative.

As for bandwagons, I'll have no problem admitting that I was wrong and we all witnessed a miracle - if YOU stand up and say what a fool you are/were for believing once again, that you were taken in by a bunch of losers -  if you are wrong and they finish out of the running yet again.

In April I made a bet with "SCOTT" on this board (who has not shown his face around these parts) that the team will finish below .500 again and I hope he stashes the $25 for Cubs Care somewhere close by.

Damn, I HOPE, PLEASE I hope I'm wrong and I have to cough it up - but the arrow is not pointing up.

I figure with the $13K I fork over for season tickets, that if I want to jump on a "bandwagon" should we be so lucky, I'm takin' a free pass going back to 1965 when I saw my first Cub game.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jun 2, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TheEman...
Do you go to every game as a season ticket holder? Or are you so disgusted now, you are going to boycott every game until they are "in it"?  Can I buy your season tickets?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 2, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you say:
I'll have no problem admitting that I was wrong and we all witnessed a miracle - if YOU stand up and say what a fool you are/were for believing once again, that you were taken in by a bunch of losers -  if you are wrong and they finish out of the running yet again.

yet you still fork over that much money for season tickets every year? Did I miss something?

by GoRedSoxGo on Jun 2, 2007 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that...
Hey are you another member of Red Sox Nation?

Anyone watching the game on Fox?  One of the most exciting of the year.  Red Sox just scored 5 runs in the 7th in a seesaw battle with the Bronx Bombers.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 2, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure am
but I follow the Cubs too. Exciting game today (the Sox, I mean.)

by GoRedSoxGo on Jun 2, 2007 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Scott doesn't show up, I'll pay it...

 In other words I'll take the bet.

 I'm not drinking any kool aid, and I don't look at things through rose color glasses. I just refuse to sayanything as absolute when there's still over100 games to go. Stuff happens, people get hurt, people get hot, people get traded, people get fired.

 Yes it looks like this season might be as miserable as last season. It also could change. And this team is more talented than last years. It's angrier and more dysfunctional. But it has more talent on it.

 I might lose this bet. It looks likely, but It's worth the bet and it makes this season more interesting.

 Anyway, let me know.

"I can't be held responsible for what I personally tell my goons to do...."- C. Montgomery Burns

by yahoodi on Jun 2, 2007 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many tickets do you have?
13K wow. I pay about $4,000 but I have one of the better deals
as I have really good terrace reserve seats and they are still the most reasonably priced.
As always not giving them up and I do lose money mainly because I don't aggresively scalp them or  and I am a bit disorganized in selling off the dozens of games I can't go to
( that 800 mile commute is a bitch).
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 2, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

$13 K over 81 games...
is about $160 per game.  Either that's a major exaggeration, an outright lie, or you have one of the absolute worst season ticket deals ever.

by SouthernCub on Jun 3, 2007 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or..
I guess you have like 4-5 tickets.  Didn't consider that.  But maybe you should consider giving up your season tickets if the team makes you so angry...

by SouthernCub on Jun 3, 2007 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

13gggrrrrrrrr for the Cubs?
Wow!  You have earned the right to say whatever you want about them and wear a bag over your entire body at the ballpark if you want.  I recently spent $400 for a new rear hub on my Mt. Bike, just the hub, but at least it's the best and I can ride 4 blocks from my house to go up and down a mountain...To each his own...And Hendry spent how many millions on 30+ year old players who suck?

by DudeVf11 on Jun 3, 2007 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1965!
You are still a rookie!

Try getting a BCB transfusion, and come back when we win it all!  Then you can start posting your initial Cubbies allegiance of support date!

SOMEDAY…

If they won a world championship, sure, we'd be proud. But we couldn't love them any more than we already do –anon. Cub fan

by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Jun 3, 2007 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Throwing in the towel"?
What's the point of that? Am I required to meet some sort of artificial benchmark because I run this site?

If you're spending as much as you say on season tickets -- way more than I do -- then clearly, you're not throwing any towels either, or at least, fewer towels than Mark Prior.

Why do people insist on asking me this? Anyone who's read this site for any length of time should know that's not what it's about.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
Why don't you just go and lock up Wrigley Field , turn out the lights, and OH, be sure to let MLB, The Trib, and all the players know as well.

Can't you take your frustration out without catastrophizing?  Did many of us NOT get the crystal ball that you've been reading?

Would it make you less frustrated and elated if everyone at BCB and CubsNation just gave up and agreed with you?

Baseball is still a game; and strange things DO happen.  Why not try to enjoy the process as it unfolds, and try to look at the glimmers of positive movement as these unfold.  Is it really enjoyable for you to be so bleak, pessimistic, and negative?

If the 2007 Cubbies achieve .500 this year, don't you see that as a huge positive improvement over last year?  Or, did you expect a miracle in one season?

 

SOMEDAY…

If they won a world championship, sure, we'd be proud. But we couldn't love them any more than we already do –anon. Cub fan

by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Jun 3, 2007 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what's gonna happen.
I remember many years where we had no chance to win anything before the season started. Making it to .500 was as challenging a goal for us as making the playoffs was for a lot of the other teams. Like probably most of us I've always been a Cubs fan and always will be. I went to my first game in 1969 at 6 years old. So from the beginning I was broken in for what was to come. My expectations are always in check. I don't loose it when we suck or ever expect a miracle. I want to win more than anything and get frustrated watching how we've played a lot of the time, but I don't quit on a season or the Cubs ever. That doesn't mean I'm irrational of believe that we are always in it until mathematically eliminated, it just means I love baseball and watching the Cubs (attempt) playing it. Everyone has a right to be whatever kind of fan they want to be. Get mad, post sports radio style, be optimistic, pessimistic, whatever. I do a little of each. I had a point and didn't intend to go sentimental....whatever- I'll remember wtf I wanted say sometime.
"In the olden days, the umpire didn't have to take any courses in mind reading. The pitcher told you he was going to throw at you." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on Jun 2, 2007 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's about hope
1968 was the year I first got hooked and '69 sealed the deal for me. I've been ridiculed my entire life for being a Cubs fan (you can read it all in my book when it's published). I'd rather suffer through losses now, early in the season, and then see the team get hot than see them hot and then fade away completely after the All Star game, as in years past.

However, I sure would love to see them start winning, especially tomorrow against the Bravos. I'm not sure how I'm going to show my face at the games in Atlanta next week if we don't win at least one here. I'm already hearing it from my friends down there and it's worse than when I lived there!

by No Southern Belle on Jun 2, 2007 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since you've mentioned 1969...
I, thankfully missed Saturday's game, for I was in Riverside County cleaning out my late father's home for an eventual sale.

When my family moved him here, little did I know that there was still old baseball related stuff of mine that I had packed away 20 years ago and then forgot about -- which was then moved out to California.

Today, I discovered Sport Magazines and Sports Illustrated Magazines from the late 60s and early 70s.

I'm looking at the cover of what I think is Sport from September of '69. (A month of horror for us old fans) It's just the cover -- and back page -- the body of the magazine has gone astray, and it's too bad.

The cover features Leo Durocher -- surrounded by Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, and Billy Williams.
The inside story is hyped as such:

"How Tension Builds A Winner."

How ironic I find that today, and, upon reflection -- the magazine had to be still on the stands as the Cubs were into their Sept '69 free-fall, and how awful that must have looked as the "Amazins' took over First place.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 3, 2007 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al,
I am sorry I missed the chance to buy you a beer today.  I was planning on picking up a bleacher seat but at the last minute got a call to sit in the bullpen box seats.  Very nice.  I even caught a ball.

As for the folks with the bags, did they get tossed?  I also was pissed off about the garbage being thrown on the field.    Boo, don't go, or ignore the team but stop this bullshit where you throw garbage onto the field.  I for one used to laugh at my White Sox friends when their fans acted up at the Cell.  We now have nothing to laugh at.  The last two days, fans at Wrigley embarrassed Cub Nation more than the team ever could.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on Jun 2, 2007 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

signature
Maybe I missed something, but what does your signature mean?

by MissouriKev on Jun 2, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kerrysotherwife.....
is a bcb'er who for some reason went AWOL.
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on Jun 2, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: kerrysotherwife.....
Ah, but she was so much more. We could use the diversion of her banality now more than ever!
"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 2, 2007 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next time, my friend, I'll take you up on that.
The bag wearers did not get tossed, they just had their bags taken away. Stupid, IMO.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the bag heads
there could have been profanity on the bags or other obscene pictures that you weren't able to see which could explain why they were taken away.

by RynoHoF on Jun 3, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should all be at the park at 9AM
sharp EVERY day  taking batting practice JUST for bunts and
fly ball sacrifices. I don't think there is much you can do in terms of practice for improving the bullpen but for the WHOLE team
needs to take more batting practice ( fielding practice couldn't hurt either).  While so many things go wrong the most  unforgivable to me is the CONSTANT failure to score runners from 3rd with less than two and to advance runners into scoring position. I thought Lou was suppossed to be a stickler for fundementals.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 2, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FWIW...
... and I forgot to mention this in the recap -- the Cubs did not even take BP today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al,
All the points you make regarding Pagan's and Hill's running blunders were exactly what I was thinking when they happened.

I also agree with what you said in your prior post regarding Zambrano and Barrett. They both should be traded and the sooner the better. I'm glad now that the Cubs did not get the long term contract done for him or it would really be impossible to make a trade.

At least I got my UA women's softball team to cheer for in their world series and the men's baseball team is in their playoff.

Everyone, try and keep the faith. It's hard I know.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 2, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Women's softball?
...Okay, they are pretty amazing and I enjoyed watching some of it on TV but the sport is dominated by bunting and that's just wrong!  Can you imagine what Neifi might do if he just shaved his body and wore a wig?  He'd hit .400 bunting!

by DudeVf11 on Jun 3, 2007 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still early
And it's WAY too early to write off the Cubs chances of winning this division.  If we were in the East or West I'd be with you, but there is no team in this division that impresses me.

Baseball is more like hockey now -- make the playoffs, stay hot and anything is possible.  The early part of the season doesn't matter than much.

by DaveinHouston on Jun 2, 2007 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love and applaud your enthusiasm...
...but you are absolutely crazy. We are definitely done and I will have to wait until next Feb. 14-16th to get my baseball juices flowing again.

Oh well, 'tis the life of a Cubs fan.

"Although slow, and dangerous behind the wheel, you can still serve a purpose."

by ilovepie on Jun 2, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're not "done," and I'm not crazy
Milwaukee sucks, along with every team in this division.

It's not to much to ask to "suck the least" in the NL Central this year.  Now that Piniella has blown his stack, this team mgith just begin to play fundamentally sound baseball.  

I can't remember a time when a Division provided as wide a berth to be claimed, except for every year in the NL west :).

Time to play some ball.

by scottsdalecubs on Jun 2, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can remember one...
Look up the '94 AL West standings at the time of the strike.

by bison on Jun 2, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubbies are NOT done!
Go back and review early and midsummer 2003, before the trading deadline.  Yeah, this team obviously has not played good baseball, and NOT consistently,  I still see hope that a turnaround IS possible.  It is soooooo easy to give up, and abandon ship.  I will always choose to believe that SOMEDAY it will happen.  Date unknown right now.  However, there are still a lot of games to play, and time to inject some changes.  No one ever said that it is easy being a Cubs fan.

Time to re-read the BCB section titled: 'Why we are here.'  Apparently many of you are not very seasoned yet as to the armour needed to sustain a LIFETIME commitment to Cubness.  The good (when it does occur) will always be outweighed by the bad, until SOMEDAY arrives.

I personally believe with all my heart that this journey is worth the wait...

SOMEDAY…

If they won a world championship, sure, we'd be proud. But we couldn't love them any more than we already do –anon. Cub fan

by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Jun 3, 2007 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How lame......
you can't even wear bags on your heads?? I wish the FO cared more about what's occuring on the field rather than policing lame BS like this.....typical lame BS.....
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 2, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie yes
Pie vs LHP no. He's terrible against them. Just use Pagan on those days.
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on Jun 2, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick MLB trivia question......

What do Cincinnati, Texas and Kansas City have in common?

Answer:

They are the only three teams in MLB that have a worse record than our beloved 2007 Chicago Cubs.  

Very, very sad........

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on Jun 2, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Texas is worse?
What about the Gladiator?  The Gladiator must count for like 200 wins on paper?

by DudeVf11 on Jun 3, 2007 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice wrap-up as always, Al, but...
...wasn't it Howry who allowed the home run than struck out the side?

I caught only snippets of the game on the radio. The Cubs seemed to be playing a little bit better -- at least this was a "competitive loss." But, as has become my mantra, NO BULLPEN = NO HOPE. That's the bottom line for me. (Oh, that, and the fact that Jacque Jones always strikes out with the bases loaded.)

Nice to see Soriano showing some power. Hill pitched well overall.

Another game lost. Another series lost. Nine games under. Wow.

"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 2, 2007 7:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know...
... there are often times that I do make a mistake in the recap, identify the wrong player, etc.

This time, I got it right. Jones' HR was off Wuertz.

Boxscore here

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: You know...
All apologies. I could've sworn Pat and Ron said it was Howry. (OK, maybe it was just Ron.)
"It's a good team. We just haven't won enough games." ~ Jim Hendry, 5/30/07

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 2, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat and Ron
did say it was Howry.  It wasn't until after Wuertz had struck out the next three batters that they realized their mistake.

by John in DC on Jun 2, 2007 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm not completely insane!
Just partially so, being a Cubs fan and all. Thanks!
NO BULLPEN = NO HOPE

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 3, 2007 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just did not read
that someone is AGAIN using "The Astros did it, why can't the Cubs" mode of rationalizing.

How many years does it take Cub fans to learn?

THE CUBS ARE NOT HOUSTON OR ANY OTHER TEAM!!!!

The Cubs are in an absolute league of their own.

There is no logical basis for comparison to any other team.

by Peoria Matt on Jun 2, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reading something like this...
... makes me wonder why you are even a Cubs fan. Can you explain? What pleasure do you derive from saying stuff like this?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hope it's true about Pie
He should be in there every day providing a possible spark..our OF sucks otherwise.

Jones was standing so far off the plate there was no way he could connect on the pitch that struck him out--that was so obvious, how could the Cub hitting coach allow him to approach a left-handed pitcher in this way?

Pagain play was smart Braves got a lucky bounce that ball didn't go farther away from the plate...replays showed that he was out Lou's explosion/ejection was so calculated, he looked like a (fatter) caricature of himself.

nice homestand so far...how many straight losing weeks is this....even the Nat's got hot for a nice stretch and they looked like AAA when we swept them.

by writerinwrigley on Jun 2, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Guys calm down...
If we can just get Wood back healthy, we got this.

by baglesshound on Jun 2, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've gotta say
The optimism that rears its beautiful little head amongst the mass of "the Cubs will never win" repeated comments is what keeps me going to this site regularly. Sure, reality checks are nice sometimes but thank you for not being so effing morose.
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"

by VicVega on Jun 2, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously....
...the Cubs play in a poor division and they could still make a run...It's not certain nor are they dead in the water, but they have to start winning games...I am disgusted with the play for the past week or so but I haven't written it off yet as there are still too many games...But the Cubs need a bullpen pitcher or two who are effective or one of the current guys has to start dominating.  We are in the shape we are in because of the bullpen and if the pen doesn't change we cannot hit enough or get enough good starting pitching to overcome it...so while it aint over yet, we better start stopping some people very soon.

by DudeVf11 on Jun 3, 2007 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugly
How bad does Barrett look?

by rono on Jun 2, 2007 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty Pathetic when...
...the team owned by a media company (a newspaper?), that also has a radio station and a TV station is censoring fans at the park.  If that's how they want it then The Cubs can kiss my butt!  I hope they get booed off the planet at their remaining home games! Then they kick people out who boo...but they better watch their close mindedness as their won't be too many people left to pay a gazillion $$$ for season tickets.

by DudeVf11 on Jun 2, 2007 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Does Jimmy Hendry actually WATCH these games? I think there should be a democratic election for the next GM...in which case I nominate Al.

I'm still thanking God that we don't have a Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds drama to deal with; I'd take a little diva fight between Z and Leadhands Barrett any day.

Mark Prior and Kerry Wood coming to a theater near you in..."A League of Their Own II."

by Mapanator on Jun 2, 2007 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I accept your nomination!
Now, how can we get me in there?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 2, 2007 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie Will Be Here on Sunday
Just checked the Iowa Cubs boxscore at Tacoma --
Felix Pie is not in the lineup -- Pretty good indication that he is on his way back to Chicago for tomorrow's game.

by ceegeewow on Jun 2, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In Addition --
Pie is no longer listed on the roster on the Iowa Cubs website.

by ceegeewow on Jun 2, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus...
...Pie's bunny slippers are no longer next to his bed at his Iowa residence.
NO BULLPEN = NO HOPE

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 2, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The 2008 season begins now.
The season officially ended on June 1st.  In truth, it ended several weeks previous.  This team is absolutely putrid.  $100 million plus payroll two seasons in a row for a 96 loss team last year and a likely 90 loss team this year.  Woo we, it don't get worse than that.  

I'm pleased that Felix Pie is finally being called up.  Let him use the next four months to acclimate to the big leagues and get a lot of at bats under his belt in hopes that he can be a solid contributor in 2008.  

Now if only Bob Howry, Scott Eyre and Wil Ohlman can be shown the door.  Lets call up Clay Rapada and Rocky Cherry to go along with Angel Guzman and Carlos Marmol in the pen.  Let these kids gain big league experience and take their lumps in 2007, in hopes that they too can be solid contributors in 2007.  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on Jun 2, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no,
the 2008 season begins in 2008. nothing has "officially" ended....

otherwise, you make some good suggestions. i'd like to see this team shake things up radically. trade somebody, release somebody, whatever. just shake it up. try something new. it's obviously not working the way things are....

calling up pie is a good idea.

by anormal on Jun 2, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree
The 2007 season, for all intents and purposes, is over.  I'm not being a quitter.  Rather I'm being a realist.  Injuries haven't done this team in.  Neither has a run of "bad luck."  Fact is this team is just plain bad all across the board.  

So...lets stop pretending.  Let's start preparing for the future.  If I'm Sweet Lou, I say screw Jim Hendry and the fact that he needs the Cubs to win big in 2007 in order to have any hope of retaining his job.  Call up Felix Pie.  Call up Clay Rapada and Rocky Cherry and maybe even Sean Gallagher.  Play these guys along with Ryan Theriot, Carlos Marmol and Angel Guzman.  See what they've got.  

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."

by BlueMike on Jun 2, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fail to see how...
...that strategy conflicts with the goal of winning now, given what we know.

by cwyers on Jun 2, 2007 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i fail to see how...
this means that 2007 is over. i have tickets hanging on my fridge that beg to differ. i intend to enjoy seeing ballgames and rooting for the cubbies for at least another 4 months.

by anormal on Jun 2, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie has been recalled?
Splendid news on an altogether rotten day for the Cubs.  He ain't the saviour, but he might provide a tiny spark for a team that is rapidly approaching post-mortem status, if it hasn't already passed that marker.

Still, allow me to offer this:  please dump the Crazy Horse (Tashunka Witco) moniker for Z.  Although you might think it clever and witty, in using it, you are misrepresenting the actual meaning of the Oglala warrior's name.  It was not his name at birth, but rather a sacred name given to him as he grew older.

Hoka hey.
LRRF

"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 2, 2007 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
you know, i do understand why you don't like the "crazy horse" moniker, but people are not using it as a racial slur. z has been called the "horse" of this staff for a long time and lately has been acting like a nut. if something weird happens and i say "that was queer", it's not an insult to homosexuals. words just have different meanings in different contexts. would you feel better if we called him "nutty horse"? - because i like that better anyway.....

nutty horse. lol.

by anormal on Jun 2, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about that........
This team is tied for the fewest wins in the NL......for all intents and purposes this season is pretty much over.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 2, 2007 10:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Best and Funniest I've ever seen.
The rosin bag as a grenade was brilliant!
"In the olden days, the umpire didn't have to take any courses in mind reading. The pitcher told you he was going to throw at you." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on Jun 2, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol especially
after he BIT it! LOL!

by Chanman25 on Jun 2, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That might have been...
... the best managerial tirade EVER.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 3, 2007 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my heart,
I truly thought that we would be more like 31-22, instead of 22-31 at this point in the 2007 season. In my heart, I thought Lou could make this work.

I am getting somewhat exasperated on what's on. End of story.

Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Jun 2, 2007 11:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or somewhat exasperated on what's *going* on.
Sorry, may have had too many adult beverages tonight with all my exasperation.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Jun 2, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

E

by MrDurden on Jun 2, 2007 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

N

by MrDurden on Jun 2, 2007 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

O

by MrDurden on Jun 2, 2007 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

D

by MrDurden on Jun 2, 2007 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I just don't get this
 E-N-O-D

"The Chicago Cubs Season 2007 Is"

I'm sorry, is this in code?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 3, 2007 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh! It's D O N E.
perhaps if you spelled it, oh, properly....

D

O

N

E

See, that's much more effctive.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 3, 2007 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I like "ENOD" better.
We could make it our slogan!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 3, 2007 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can just get Freddie Bynum back...
we'll turn this thing around

<insert sarcasm here>

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on Jun 2, 2007 11:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

watching Lou blow up was awesome!
new sig!
I'm not afraid of anything. to be honest with you, I kicked some dirt on a guy and that was it.

by bmeteor on Jun 3, 2007 1:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't we
.. just buy the Red Sox or something?

by wjblol on Jun 3, 2007 3:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ive reached the end
ive got to the pont where i dont care after 50 years  and 26 years of season tickets  i just dont care... its the same game every day...i cant beleive it but im so happy ..that means i dont have to suffer any more i can just watch the news and see how much they lose by... wow  they have finally freed me

by edo4cubs on Jun 3, 2007 6:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

cubs
they suckered us again.spent all this money to bring in players,brought in another big name mgrand guess what. same results as always.as bad as dusty was he still produced 2 winning seasons. next year the cubs will be in the playoffs. why???1984-1989-1998-2003.they seem to pop in every 5 years or so.so 2008 could be the year.we,ll see. it wont be this year. lou is doing an awfull job this year.giradi should have been hired

by NOMAR on Jun 3, 2007 7:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fundamentals Boot Camp
Forget taking BP or fielding warmups.  What the Cubs need to do is hold daily sessions on the game's fundamentals, something along the lines of the remedial drivers ed sessions you can take in lieu of getting points for traffic tickets.

Put the entire team in a room and go over situations.  Then quiz them repeatedly.  Over and over until they start displaying on the field that they understand how to play smart baseball.  Every day for the rest of the season if that's what it takes.

The crowd may have loved Rich Hill trying for a triple, but that was as stupid as it comes.  He made the last out at third.  He had to immediately turn around and go back to pitching after running the bases.  And he'd already given the Braves a big inning by not taking the bunt out at first and instead trying for a low-percentage out at second.

And then there's Pagan's poor decision to try for third with no outs.  If he can't walk to third, he had no business trying to advance.  Instead, he made the first out at third and cost the team at least one run.

It's dumb, dumb, dumb plays every game that are preventing the Cubs from realizing their potential, however limited it may or may not be.

Yes, no major league franchise should have to run a fundamentals clinic for its players.  But a lack of fundamentals awareness is this team's biggest single problem and it needs to be addressed before we're going to see improvement in the outcome of their games.

by Jed Taylor on Jun 3, 2007 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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