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Cubs trade for Bowen

While at the Cubs BCB game on Saturday I told Al that the Padres catcher Rob Bowen was the nephew of my boss and that I wanted him to do well, but with the Cubs still winning.  Well, its 7:30 a.m. here and my boss said he just got a call from his sister and that Rob Bowen has been traded to the Cubs.  I can not find out who for because I havent seen it announced yet.  Just thought I would give everyone a heads up.

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Thsi is a horrible trade...
...if it is just Barrett for Bowen.  What the hell's this guy gonna do for us?  Interested to see how this develops.
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by dtpollitt on Jun 20, 2007 7:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if it is horrible...
He's 26 with not a terrible bat for a catcher.  If he's an upgrade defensively and signed for a couple of years.......

I will need someone to explain to me why the Padres, leading their division, would want Barrett.  They already have Bard behind the plate and Gonzalez at 1st.

by N Oakley on Jun 20, 2007 7:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're jumping the gun
...in assuming that it's Barrett for Bowen straight up.  For all we know, Barrett isn't even involved in the deal.  Patience, people, patience.

by Rev Gunia on Jun 20, 2007 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
The Cubs need a backup catcher.  Bowen is a switch-hitter, 26 years old.  Maybe the Cubs are dealing Koyie Hill or Geovany Soto for him, along with another player.  

Indytaz has a good reputation with me, so I'm taking this at face value.  But I'm surprised it's not been reported by the MSM yet.  

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 20, 2007 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree.
The Padres need a bat in the OF -- Jones, bad as he is, has the potential of being better than Sledge. Bowen is only 26 and is hitting .268/.371/.439 this season, and is a switch-hitter.

Good deal, actually, if true.  

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 20, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus
Isn't Jones from San Diego?   Maybe he'd hit better if he were "home" and had a fresh start.   I'd rather put together a package to get a piece of San Diego's bullpen.  I assume that Hendry has been trying that all season to no avail.  If Blanco is done for the year/career, this probably needs to be done.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Jun 20, 2007 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowen's also
...something like 6'3", 225 lbs.  That's a big boy in a position that's tough on the legs.  I worry about the long term health of catchers that big.

by Rev Gunia on Jun 20, 2007 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing
this is more of an indication of how Blanco is progressing.  I think if Barrett is traded it BETTER be for better players than this...it is Jim Hendry though.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 20, 2007 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Classic Hendry move
Bowen was a second-round draft pick, who had some injuries, and eventually was waived by two clubs.  Now he's 26, has been around both leagues enough to have a little familiarity with the batters, and is hitting well.  He also grew up in Indiana.  

If the deal is for Jones, I'd call it a good trade for both teams and both players.  

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 20, 2007 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

one thing to consider
Unless, the Cubs go with 3 catchers and keep Hill, using Bowen as a backup means the Cubs will basically have two offensive minded catchers.  

I agree though, at this point Bowen for Jones I'm happy with.

I guess we'll play the "wait and see game"

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by jonpyardi on Jun 20, 2007 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just heard
on mike and mike that barrett was traded.

by tbizzle83 on Jun 20, 2007 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bruuuuuuce Miles?

Where's our caped superhero of inside information when we need him!?!?

Quick...somebody find the red phone.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Jun 20, 2007 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Padres are sending
 . . . "Rob Bowen, minor leaguer Kyler Burke, and some cash considerations to Chicago in exchange for Barrett," according to this AOL story.

by dfrancon on Jun 20, 2007 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But this Ken Rosenthal
story says the Cubs are paying the Padres as much as $1 million toward Barrett's salary.

by dfrancon on Jun 20, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the story
...on Kyler Burke?  I tried to look him up on the Padres homepage, but he's not on the 40-man roster (as far as I could tell).  Does he have any potential?  What position does he play?  What kind of a name is Kyler?

by Rev Gunia on Jun 20, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For reference
http://www.thebaseballcube.com has all minor league and college stats for all players currently in the minors.

http://www.milb.com has current year stats and descriptive pages for all active minor leaguers.  

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 20, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

assuming this is true
I looked up Kyler Burke. He is an OF with the Fort Wayne Wizards. I only know what the numbers tell me and what they tell me isn't good. He is hitting .211 with an OBP of .305. That being said, he is 19 years old.
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by mike on Jun 20, 2007 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burke
Was the #35 player taken in last year's draft (as noted by someone in the headline story on bcb).  He signed quickly, and looked overmatched in the Arizona rookie league last summer, and also at the beginning of the A-ball season this year.  His numbers have improved somewhat in June, but he hasn't started hitting for power yet.  I would expect the Cubs to assign him to Boise and let him face pitchers more his own age.  They have time to let him develop.  He's a high-school version of Tyler Colvin, lefty centerfielder with a history of power and tools.  I'd say he's more than a throw-in to this deal.  
The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 20, 2007 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.
Burke just turned 19 in April. He's a long way from major-league ready. You really think Boise, rather than Peoria?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 20, 2007 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
I think there was some speculation that the Padres only put him in A ball because the short-season teams hadn't started yet.  The Cubs are notoriously slow to promote prospects.  I do think there is a chance they start him at Boise, but Peoria is possible.  

By the way, Burke signed last June 16.  He was not eligible to be traded until a full year had passed.  Maybe Hendry has been working on this one a while.  

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 20, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burke
really seems to be over his head in the Midwest League.  He's pretty young for that league.

Toolsy guy who set a lot of records in TN HS ball.  I think he'd do better in Boise (and he'd still be young for Boise, which is mostly college guys.)

by Josh77 on Jun 20, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That seems fine to me...
... since he's only 19. Even with three more full years in the system, if he progresses he'd be in Triple-A at 22.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 20, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently
SD Sports radio is describing Barrett as if he's the second coming of Johnny Bench. FYI, Bowen can't throw, run or hit. (Sorry, IndyTaz, if this comes off as insulting, but he isn't very good) However, if the Padres want to dump one of their 2 bad catchers, he's actually better than their other one, Josh Bard -- but not by much. I don't see how this addresses their power need, because they could use a corner OF with a big bat, not a bad catcher, even one with some power. This is really kind of a rent-a-player situation, for they would never re-sign him for the cash Barrett would demand. (J Jones is NOT coming here) Jermaine Dye's name has been mentioned as coming to SD, if the ChiSox have the 'for sale' sign out.

As of now, I guess this tells you what Barrett's value is. Nothing. However, I guess they assume that Barrett's an upgrade over what they have -- offensive-wise. However, I'm looking forward to piss-head Jake Peavy starting to sizzle when Barrett lets one of his sinkers get away in a crucial situation.

And, in turn --  the Cubs pitchers better keep throwing over to first to bail out Bowen.

I can guarantee that Maddux will designate Josh Bard as his personal catcher.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 20, 2007 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

By all accounts
Bowen is an above-average defensive catcher.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your not
Your not insulting me, not my nephew.  
2007 is the year, I can feel it in my bones.

by indytaz on Jun 20, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you mean 'defensive'
you mean he can actually catch a pitch, as Barrett kept proving he couldn't. Bowen has no arm, and people who keep blaming the inability of the Padres backstops to throw out runners on the pitchers just don't know what they are talking about.

I have probably watched more Padres games than most of the posters here, and both of the Padres catchers (and I mean Bard and Bowen) can't throw.  

I've seen so many bounced throws to second from that tandem and I doubt that is the fault of Maddux or Wells.

We are trying to spin this in our favor, and I find that to be a futile exercise. Bowen isn't very good -- this was a dump of Barrett for anybody.

I don't think we could have expected much more for Barrett, however.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 20, 2007 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how many games
you watched in which Bowen actually played and actually attempted a throw to second.  It probably wasn't that many because it doesn't look like he played a whole lot of innings in SD or had the opportunity to throw out a lot of runners.  

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stealing on the pitcher
The only rationalization for Bowen's poor numbers throwing out base stealers I can think of is having to catch Greg Maddux every 5 days. Maddux is as bad as it gets for holding runners down. However, that doesn't fully explain Bowen being 3-26 in throwing out would-be base stealers. And if he's turfing throws to second, people will be clamoring for JJ to play catcher.

...ok, maybe not that last comment.

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Jun 20, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh
What a stupid move.

Barrett has the potential to rebound and get streaky with his hitting.  You don't trade a guy when he is at rock bottom, especially someone with Barrett's potential.

by nickler on Jun 20, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Except
defense is much, much more important for a catcher than hitting.  Barrett had to go.  Addition by subtraction.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's too bad.
I always liked the guy.

by nickler on Jun 20, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that, in a nutshell
Is why so many people hate this trade.  Not picking on you, nickler, but a lot of people really liked Michael Barrett on a personal level.  And I can see why - he did seem like a great guy from interviews, his willingness to interact with fans, etc.  

But teams don't keep players around because they are nice guys.  From a pure baseball perspective, I think the trade was a good one for the Cubs.

by SuperContext on Jun 20, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
A lot of people tend to like (and therefore overvalue) "swell" guys like Barrett, Murton, and Todd Walker.  A corollary to this is a lot of people tend to undervalue defense and only focus on hitting.

I believe the Cubs are a much better baseball team today than they were yesterday.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barrett was done here,
For Barrett, the season here in Chicago kept getting worse and worse and worse.  It began with a cold start at the plate, then defensive problems, then the Zambrano fight, then more defensive problems, then a shouting match with Rich Hill, then...well, the downward spiral had to stop and it wasn't going to happen in Chicago.

In all, this is a good move for the Cubs, the Padres, and Barrett himself.  He gets a change of scenery and fresh start with a new pitching staff.  The pressure is off of him a little now.  The Cubs get a defensive upgrade and a guy who's going to stick around for a couple years (Barrett was going to be gone at the end of the season anyway), and the Padres get to try their hand at turning around a guy who was pretty good at the plate.  

It's a trade that makes sense for all involved.

by Rev Gunia on Jun 20, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget baserunning
Another Barrett weakness (though perhaps not as bad as Jones).

by gsblake on Jun 20, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Despite what Hendry says,
This was done for Lou and the clubhouse.

Our team ERA is ranked 5th in the NL. Other than San Diego and LA, no team in the NL has given up fewer runs than the Cubs. But we had to trade our catcher? Barrett had become the whipping boy and a victim of groupthink.

We need hitting and Barrett was finally starting to show some life at the plate. Not a fan of this trade, and I remain convinced that this was Lou's doing.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jun 20, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
I credit Lou for this move too.  Nice to see he's asserting himself in personnel decisions because Hendry's an idiot.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know
you despise Barrett, but this is a bad trade. Barrett had a bad May and everyone piled on. Classic groupthink. This team is going to have a tough time scoring runs with Barrett gone, so everyone needs to pray that Lou's chemistry experiment doesn't blow up.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jun 20, 2007 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you post things twice?
Once again:

I don't see how Sweet Lou getting rid of a terrible catcher qualifies as "groupthink".  I know you love Barrett, but some of us who understand the game of baseball have recognized that he's been killing the Cubs for years.  I'm happy that it's finally become obvious to others on this site, but this move has nothing to do with "groupthink".  It has to do with improving the Chicago Cubs.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I post
things twice so people that can't read a stat sheet understand what a bad trade looks like.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jun 20, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
Your double posting means everyone has to waste twice as much time reading the nonsense you spew.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
Your double posting means everyone has to waste twice as much time reading the nonsense you spew.

by nickler on Jun 21, 2007 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm responding
to him.  He's the one posting twice.

by cubsbak on Jun 21, 2007 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

does
this mean the big z deal gets done?

by tbizzle83 on Jun 20, 2007 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully
But, I am predicting another Hendry move in the next 3-5 days.
hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jun 20, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano's deal
has to do with ownership, not Barrett.  Barrett's presence had no impact on re-signing Carlos.  Carlos will sign tomorrow--it's ownership that's stalling.

by Josh77 on Jun 20, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our offense needs help!! now more than ever
The Cubs had above-avg. hitters are 4 of 8 positions with Barrett--counting 3b, 1b, lf...now we're down to 3 (2 when Lee Suspension kicks in).

they are going to have to add offense since this offensive-tailored team really hasn't produced...we're below avg. at rf (big gap there), c now, ss and 2b...cf is undetermined.

their biggest off-season need remains a SS and now maybe a capable C...I dunno who/what's gonna be available, but Barrett's defense was a big liability...lost them so many games, and then lost the pitcher's confidence, he had to go.

But that offensive hole--remember, the Cubs batted him 4th on occasion--will need to be filled, somehow. RF and SS look like the most likely spots, there aren't a lot of great hitting C's around anymore....

by writerinwrigley on Jun 20, 2007 11:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, this sucks.
i'm not at all happy about this trade. they really should have gone after linebrink. should have been jones and barrett for bowen and linebrink (thrown in whatever else you need from the minors to make it happen). i'm ready for hendry to leave now!!!!!!
I don't care about a world series, just be competitive thru September.

by buckmulligan on Jun 20, 2007 12:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way
the Cubs could've gotten a quality relief pitcher for Barrett.  And throwing Jones in doesn't help at all.

by cubsbak on Jun 20, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Posada? Lo Duca? Pudge? Anyone Anyone?
Those 3, all happen to be a catcher and all happen to be Free Agents next year. Now it doesnt take a slide rule to figure out where this post is going.

Hendry you should be reading this.

GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Jun 20, 2007 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Pudge
Don't the Tigers have a team option for next year at around $13MM?  Surely they'll exercise that.

by gsblake on Jun 20, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

two of which who are getting very old
and probably will have to move to DH soon. Pudge and Posada are getting old and probably will be able to catch for 2 to 3 years max. I think the Cubs should try using some of their own minor league catchers such as Soto or Fox.

by Chanman25 on Jun 20, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take...
Fox won't be a catcher anymore. Soto might be a decent option. Posada will probably finish as a Yankee. Detroit probably exercises Pudge's option. LoDuca might be a decent short-term option. I'm not sure how much he'll cost versus how much he may decline in upcoming seasons, though.

by vegascubsfan on Jun 20, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Posada
Can't see why he wouldn't want to finish his career as a Yankee.  Any talk about testing the market is just an attempt to create leverage in contract negotiations.

by gsblake on Jun 20, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm
Bowen's ops is 75 points higher and he's better defensively and the Cubs get a guy who was selected 35th in last years draft.

Good deal overall.  The Cubs lead the league in idiotic plays and Barrett was a big reason why.  This will help team chemistry.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 20, 2007 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've concluded
This trade was at the request of Derrek Lee, who just really wanted to know whether Chris Young was intentionally throwing at him or not.  
The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 20, 2007 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Barrett should still be a Cub....
Anyone remember the other Cubs who were run out of town when the "reigns" of the ballclub were handed over to Prior and Wood, America's poster children for Arm Slings??  Tread lightly, obviously Maddux had a positive vibe w/Barrett and now the hated Padres, 1984 Anyone, have an All-Star catcher w/good pop.  While I agree Barertt was a poor fielder...Bowen is not any better throwing out 3 of 23 basestealers...which is only 3 more than I've thrown out.
Patterson, Sosa and Barrett have all thrived while the only servicible thing the Cubs have to show from these trades is Mike Fontenot...yikes.

by thedaddy23 on Jun 20, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thrived?
Sosa - no
Patterson - no
Barrett- probably not

Sosa didn't thrive in Baltimore//Texas and Patterson really hasn't been above average..

by Chanman25 on Jun 20, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh.. thrived?
Year Team AB  R  H   HR RBI BB SB BA    OBP    SLG
2007 BAL  205 23 43  1  17   12  12 .2098  .2613  .2878

patterson is really tearing it up... shoulda held on to him, huh?

Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic.

by seanlovescubs on Jun 20, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For defense, Ausmus or someone like that...
Could always be available...Jason Larue type catchers seem to be a dime a dozen.

The Braves have 2 good young catchers they don't seem to want to part with however unless they're BLOWN away, by what, i dunno...

Who else besides the obvious FA's big-names/old & declining types might fill the bill?

I for one would welcome A.J. to the North Side but know he's under contract for another year to Sox...Cubs need to upgrade offense in RF and SS if they're going to go with a defensive-minded C for sure.

by writerinwrigley on Jun 20, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This was strictly a dump
Either that or Hendry doesn't grasp the concept of making trades where he gets something decent back (see Maddux, Greg for Izturis, Cesar).

At this point, both parties may be better off with Barrett elsewhere---and being as how he caught Maddux last year, I doubt Mad Dog will say anything now, whoever suggested such. And while we may have gotten a prospect in return, the Bowen part of it's a little troubling for two reasons. 1) Our current ML-catchers have both been released twice in what, the last three years? Does this bother anyone else? 2) I think this shows that Blanco's injury is worse than previously believed. If he was going to be back soon, you would probably trade Barrett and promote Soto until Henry was back. Getting a backup catcher makes it look like Henry won't be back anytime soon.

It would have been nice to have gotten Linebrink or one of their other relievers. Actually, I like any deal at this point that gets us somebody that makes sense.

by JDay on Jun 20, 2007 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point by Al
In the Open Thread for tonight's game, our fearless leader writes the following about Bowen,

"I will say that he's done a good job handling the best pitching staff in the NL."

I find that interesting.  If I have the best pitching staff in the NL, I imagine I would give my cathers a degree of credit for it and not be especially inclined to throw a potential monkey-wrench into the situation by trading one cather for another.  I wonder if the Padres know something about Bowen that we don't...personality-wise, team-chemistry-wise, or other-wise.

Hmmmmmmm.....

by Rev Gunia on Jun 20, 2007 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Blanco
There was a comment on MLB the show, with Rob Dibble and Kevin Kennedy, on XM today that Blanco may be out for longer than expected. I liked Barrett, but he was not a defensive catcher and apparently he was not a good game caller. Dibble said weeks ago Barrett would be gone and emphasized that Sweet Lou would rather have a good defensive catcher than an offensive one. Kevin Kennedy was very negative about Barrett's defensive skills. He suggested that Barrett be moved to third. We may lose some offense, but our defense has to improve...if Zambrano is happy then I'm happy!

by lepard2099 on Jun 20, 2007 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Minor league catchers mixed bag
The kid they drafted in 1st round (supplemental) from Auburn, Joshn Donaldson, has been playing C as well as other positions...the best hitting catcher in system, jake Fox, has been compared to Barrett defensively...Hendry mentioned Soto on the conf. call he is obviously closest and would seem better than Hill who got callup when Blanco got hurt.

I agree Blanco's short-term outlook is not good, and unless they've made a steal with this switch-hitting catcher from SD, Cubs will need to find someone to fill the position capably down the road...I always thought Murton should try C he won't make it or stick in majors as an OF!! He's hopeless out there, time to try another position Matt!! (his hands don't seem very good at catching balls, however).

by writerinwrigley on Jun 20, 2007 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Andy Masur
was all 'sunshine, lollipops, and roses' when describing Barrett on XX Sports Radio Wed afternoon. He glossed over all of Barrett's defensive liabilities saying,
"...The Cubs pitchers don't mind Barrett's defense because they know he'll make it up on offense."

He also blamed the fight w/Z entirely on Z.
Guess Masur didn't see the plays that preceeded it, and he conveniently forgot about Barrett's clash with Hill.

"He's just what the Padres need."

It didn't take long for him to become a hometown honk.

But --  Andy knows who is signing his paycheck.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 21, 2007 12:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. White flag trades begin.
Good trade....

...you know, because the Cubs were just too good offensively.

As if it wasn't hard enough for this team to score runs, we just dumped a guy - who sometimes batted cleanup for this offensive juggernaut - in exchange for a bag of magic beans.  

Sounds like the beginning of a white flag trading mentality to me. I think we can determine that the Cubs will be sellers at the trade deadline, and this is the first quiet concession of that truth.  I see no reason to believe that Hendry has any interest in acquiring anyone for the stretch run who'll require something in return.  And since Hendry can't trade with Hendry - the only means by which he'd be able to acquire a player for almost nothing - I can't see anything more than the usual bullpen-acquisition-of-this-year's-trade-deadline happening.

Sad that Jim Hendry has quietly given up on this team in June - again.

I still don't see how this trade could have possibly, or even theoretically, happened.  You know, because Jim Hendry has always sworn an oath to us - given us his solemn word of honor - that you just cannot possibly ever, ever, ever acquire a player this early in the season.  It's impossible - I mean, a team like the Padres would have to give us Jake Peavy and their top Minor League prospect to get a player like Barrett this early in the season, right?  Isn't that what Hendry always tells us every year as we wait until three weeks after the trade deadline to see if the Cubs get any help at all?

Hendry just proved his own annual political spin to be a big bag of lies, and he just raised the white flag half mast in June.  It's a damned shame this man gets to be the one to dump our players to contenders before the deadline, a damned shame.  

Oh well, who needs to score runs to win ballgames, anyway?  Just howl "underperformers" really loud and beat your breast and gnash your teeth as usual.  Why sway from a great annual gameplan like that?

Paging the Cubs' bullpen:  even perfect won't be good enough now.  You're officially the goats no matter what happens the rest of the year.  I pity you for being the cheapest commodity.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 21, 2007 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said.
I was thinking last night that this was a white-flag trade also. It looks like Lou decided to view '07 as his 'get adjusted' year. Too bad.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jun 21, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....
The offensive powerhouse that is Mike Fontenot was in the 5 hole last night, yikes.  I also have no problem with this move if, and only if Big Z is signed to a new deal...I still don't like our guys being run out like this and have always stated that the Pinella hire was the wrong move, especially for our younger guys like Pie.

Sorry about the negativity Cub Nation....

by thedaddy23 on Jun 21, 2007 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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