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I was all ready to write a happy recap of a Cub come-from-behind win that I was going to take partial credit for, because after it was 5-0 Rangers and the Cubs looked pathetic, I went out to run some errands -- upon which they promptly had the four-run rally in the fifth inning.

Unfortunately, you'll never read that recap, because more jaw-dropping plays happened in the Rangers' ninth inning and the Cubs lost 6-5, a game they absolutely, positively should have won, because:

  • they had thirteen hits and six walks. Nineteen baserunners! Unfortunately, thirteen of them were left on base. (That leaves six, and they scored only five runs, and I'm too upset and lazy to figure out the difference.)
  • Ted Lilly settled down after giving up two early HR and threw very well, finishing seven innings with ten strikeouts and only one walk.
But the real problems were the defensive troubles/lapses in the ninth:
  • Alfonso Soriano let a ball leak out of his glove. To be fair, this would have been a very tough diving catch. But he had it, and dropped it.
  • Angel Pagan dropped a line drive sinking away from him, on which he was making a diving attempt, and that drove in the winning run. Again, to be fair, this would have been a spectacular catch. But he had it, and dropped it.
  • And then there's the worst defensive lapse, Bob Howry's inexplicable wait to throw out Kenny Lofton, trapped off first on a comebacker. Cesar Izturis is not blameless on this play, either, as he was standing too far away from second base to tag Lofton as he dived back in.
Argh. This team has more talent than this. The Cubs should have won this game by a score of about 11-5. They now stand 8.5 games behind the Brewers, and this is NOT the way to go into a game at the Cell. Howard stopped by to pick up a ticket for tomorrow's game and he and I watched the dreadful ninth inning. He was growling when he left. So am I.

All the Cubs can do is pick up the pieces and try to win at least two of three at the Cell.

Over the last two days there has been much discussion of Sammy Sosa's 600th HR and whether or not he's having a good year (I say not; many of you said he was, based primarily on his RBI count). This post at Lone Star Ball lays the "Sammy's not very good and the Rangers should get rid of him" case out quite well, particularly here:

How can you get rid of the guy that is leading the team in RBIs?

Because the RBIs are pretty much irrelevant.  Sosa isn't hitting well.

Look at Pedro Feliz last year.  He had 98 RBIs, despite an awful .244/.281/.428 line.  No one would credibly argue that he was driving in runs and thus deserved to stay in the lineup for the Giants...why do that for Sosa?

RBIs are largely a function of opportunity.  Sosa has more ABs, by far, with runners in scoring position than any other Ranger.  He should be leading the team in RBIs.  But it doesn't change the fact that he's not been very good this year.

I really don't have much more to say, as the title of this post indicates. I'm off to see Ocean's Thirteen right now; I had planned that anyway, but now I need to take my mind off this horrific game.

Off to the Cell tomorrow, too. If any of you will be there, I'll be in the LF bleachers.

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I'm increasingly
losing faith in this team. The same things happen over and over again. I'm with you, Al, I think this team is better than this, but until they prove it, they continue to frustrate. 8.5 games in back already and Milwaukee seems to be regaining its stride. Truthfully, I don't think there's much of a shot for this Cubs team. Good thing they spent so much money on all these good players.

by rynofan23 on Jun 21, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, just go ahead and lose
ALL your faith in this team.

Seriously, what is it about this team that makes you think they are even remotely capable of making up 8.5 games?  The bullpen?  The offense?  The solid fundamental defense?

Let's face it....what we've received from the starting rotation is about all we could possibly expect when the season began (except perhaps a couple of better starts from Z).  Don't look for that to improve over the 2d half.

Also, once and for all, everyone just please acknowledge that the Brewers are a better baseball team than the Cubs.  They aren't "coming back to Earth" or "going to stop being so lucky."  They are simply a better team.  

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts"....and the Cubs and Brewers are proving the truth of that statement.

by ryno234ever on Jun 21, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely agree
The problem is:  winning 2 out of 3 is no longer good enough for this team.  Say the Cubs take 2 out of 3 from the White Sox, then they would still be 6 games below .500.  I wish I could honestly believe that this team, with as much talent as they have, could string together a nice long winning streak, but I just do not see that happening.
It's a shame, it's a darn shame!

by cubfanwill on Jun 21, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al!
If you were going to take partial credit for a win today because you went to run errands, you should also take partial credit for the loss - as soon as you start watching again, the Cubs lose!
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 21, 2007 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut...
... they scored the tying run after I got home and I was watching again!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 21, 2007 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There ARE words Al
You just can't print them in a "family" blog
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 21, 2007 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.
True.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 21, 2007 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that
some do anyways.

by eamuscatuli1881 on Jun 21, 2007 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad I missed the end
I was listening to the Gameday Audio but stepped away for a meeting with my boss. Then I came back to this. I'm glad I missed it. Losing two of three to the Rangers is a travesty. Just a travesty.

The only glimmer of hope I see now is taking two of three from the Sux will give the Cubs a 3-3 road trip, which is generally considered acceptable. Of course, when a team is this many games under .500 and desperately trying to catch the division leader, it's really not that good.

I can't believe the Cubs gave up Sosa's 600th homer and the series. Talk about depressing...

Your 2007 Chicago Cubs: We Keep Life Interesting

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 21, 2007 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bases Loaded...
It's sad to see that it's gotten to the point when the Cubs have the bases loaded, you can almost assure that they aren't going to score. Series like this one show how bad the Cubs are. They're pretty much a carbon copy of last year with constant bad fundamental baseball. 4 errors last night...a mental error by Howry in the 9th today...it's killing me. Losing games is fine. But losing them the way the Cubs do is nauseating.

by bergs55 on Jun 21, 2007 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Runner Difference
I'm guessing, not having seen a box score, that there was at least one double play which accounts for the missing runner.

What a terrible way to wrap the road trip.  We all say "just win series", etc etc - but then we give away series with games like the last two.  It shouldn't be THIS frustrating to follow a team which hasn't won a WS in 99 years.  Egads.

by Tater01 on Jun 21, 2007 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup.
     Before looking at the box score, I thought, "Well, it could also have been a hare-brained base-running mistake...".  In fact though you were doubly right:  The Cubs had 20 baserunners -- in addition to the hits and walks, Lee was hit by a pitch in the first -- but two of them were erased on double plays.

by Loon from Left on Jun 21, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey
What has anyone heard about the rumor of the Cubs going after Junior Griffey? Besides sending Jacque or Murton their way, what else do we have that would entice them? I know we've got to give something up more than an average RF hitting .240. Besides, Griffey is hitting well and is playing in his hometown in Cinci.

by NotreDameCubbie on Jun 21, 2007 4:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
for the update. Didn't have enough time to get to the diaries. I would love to see him donning the blue and red. Thanks for the memories, Jacque. Oh wait...

by NotreDameCubbie on Jun 21, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As of this moment
Today's game thread has 666 comments.

Enough said.

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Jun 21, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fan and still optimistic
at least a little, but I really don't think this team is much more talented than we're seeing. Having A-Ram may have made a difference, but this really just isn't a very good team.

Al may remember the fact that for the last 4 years I've been saying that the biggest problem the Cubs have as an organization is the lack of fundamental skills necessary to win on a regular basis. The organization hasn't made that a priority.

It was also the main reason why I was against Lou as manager. He talked the talk, but I didn't think he's follow through, and so far, he hasn't. You can't change a fundamental mindset of a team by trading away the most visable offender, as they've tried with Barrett.

I know that Lou can't get out there and play the game for the Cubs and that the players must shoulder a great deal of the blame, but the fact is that this team is fundamentally poor. They can't run bases, they can't move along runners, they can't hit sac flies, they can't bunt, they can't hit cut-off men, they don't do so well with talking walks, etc. You can tell me all day long about what mathematical formulas say the Cubs should be doing, but it's the final product on the field that actually matters. If this coaching staff can't do what is necessary to appropriately motivate it's players to play fundamentally sound ball, then it's time to find people who can. It's time to find ways of getting through to these players.

Usually, an appeal to pride would be a good motivator, but I can't imagine there is anyone associated with the Cub organization that has much pride in the product that's been put on the field this year.

There's still time to turn it around. I believe that. But if they don't whip off a really good streak before the ASB, we'll all be waiting until next year again.

by Scott on Jun 21, 2007 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's really a shame...
because it is erasing what is really a pretty good year being put together by the pitching staff....

I don't want to hear anymore about the "blowpen"...it isn't the pen or the pitching...it's the poor defense, fundamentals and offense put together by the regular position players.

The Cubs shouldn't have been in 20 some 1 run games......the inability to plate baserunners is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going to tomorrow's game at US Sellout Field.
I'm going to the game thanks to my White Sox fan son who bought a season ticket plan. (You do all you can to raise them right and they STILL become Sox fans. Oh the shame!)

He will be in his Crede jersey and I will be in my Santo jersey. I might get an armed guard and try to look you up, Al.

Football and basketball are just things to do between baseball seasons.

by MetsSuck on Jun 21, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So
Who do we keep in the fire sale on the horizon?

by wjblol on Jun 21, 2007 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately
you need buyers to have a sale...and at these prices I'm not sure there are any.  Oh, you would also need Hendry to admit that he has once again failed to field a winner.
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 21, 2007 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREED
Just check out my sig to see what Hendry really cares about.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Jun 22, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okkkkkkkk
Yeah all sorts of teams are chomping at the bit to acquire Super Jaques Jones as the final piece of the puzzle for a WS win.  I'm sure the market is dying to take on Sorriano's salary as well...

by BigFatZ on Jun 21, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there'll be takers...
...if the Cubs can were able to find someone to take Neifi Perez last year, someone will take Jock.

by RynoHoF on Jun 21, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like some
names.  Neffi (Turdburglar) fit a need with Detoilet.  Who needs a poor defensive RF, K master?

by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Position-wise,
only Ram, Alf, DeRosa and Pie, AFAIC.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jun 21, 2007 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Youngsters, Lee and Fonzy
Even though this team stinks on ice, I'm happy with what Lou is doing right now.  Maybe it's not by choice, but for the first time in a long time we're playing young guys we drafted and/or brought up through our system.  

So I say (let the hate begin) sell Ramirez for as much as you can get, now.  Play for the future.  Get the biggest stick you can for RF next year, and bring up Scott Moore next year.  

One man's opinion.

by soonerbered on Jun 21, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and...
we could throw in Wood and Prior while we're at it.  Sell them now.

by soonerbered on Jun 21, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep Lee, Aram, Soriano, Pie
everyone else should be looked into potential trades to try and make us better, because the group we have now is going nowhere
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
We have too many players with big contracts.  I have a bad feeling about Marquis.  I wish we could dump him somewhere. Other than that I'd keep the starting pitching staff.  Trade Howry,  and Floyd and dump Eyre and Jones.  I'd keep DeRosa, Lee, and Ramirez and the kids.  I would love to trade Soriano but we know that can't happen.

by mgfabc on Jun 21, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"I'll be there..."
I'll be there at the beautiful US Cellular Park tomorrow to watch two ugly teams.

This is the high level of discourse I expect to hear tomorrow:

"Your team sucks!"

"Yeah, well your team sucks worse!"

Of course if, as they should, the Cubbies win the series against the Sox you can always hope that the "big series win" ignites the Cubbies for the umpteenth time this season.  On the other hand, the Sox are done and have been for awhile.  And yes, this season the Sox are worse.

by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If it helps...
...at least your team sucks against a higher class of opponents.

/shrugs

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 21, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad, badder, baddest
The Sox have gone 11-12 against the AL Central.  The ones that really hurt have been the series losses to:
  • Toronto
  • Houston
  • Philadelphia
  • Pittsburgh
  • Florida

by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sox should be worse
they have so many players on the DL.  We only have one.  What is our excuse?

by mgfabc on Jun 21, 2007 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Too
Many pederasts in training

by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other baseball news
Barrett 0-4 with 3ks and a passed ball in Padre debut
And the ANTI - Maddux ( Clemens) goes 4.1 innings gives up
4 and gets the loss. 28 Million just does  not buy what it used
to.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 21, 2007 5:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Champagne corks will be flying in my house
the day Maddux overtakes Clemens in wins.

signed,
another Maddux fan

by JFCubFan on Jun 21, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My ETA on that is
June 15 2008.
I will be popping corks too
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 22, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Cubs are swept this weekend
its time to raise the white flag. A sweep of the White Sox is NEEDED!

by Chanman25 on Jun 21, 2007 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

saw this on another site:
Santo overheard right now on WGN talking in the background after Cubs fall behind 3-0.... "it's like watching (garbled) every f#*$ing night, and I'm tired of it"

anyone hear this?

To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 21, 2007 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i feel for ronny i really do
he and these fans deserve much better than this, you would think after 98 years of watching this shit that someone would try and do everything they could to get this team to win a world series, i honestly think everyone in the organization is fine with this teams play or at least tolerable with it because nothing is being done to change it
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You kidding?
LOTS of changes were made this offseason.  Lots of changes have been made during the season.  They just haven't been the right changes.  The whole roster has turned over with the exception of a couple of players in the past 3 years.  They're trying, it's just not working.

by SouthernCub on Jun 21, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the truly sad part
These guys really are trying.  They're spending money, they're making trades.  But they're so incompetent the team sucks anyway.   Oh well, football season's right around the corner and then I can try to move on with my life and hope for better things next season.

by cubsbak on Jun 21, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I heard about half of it.  I can't verify that he dropped the F-bomb, but he did sound disgusted.

by TC Cubby on Jun 22, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is turning out to be a good season...
for me to poop on.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 21, 2007 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Conan should
send Triumph to a Cubs game, that would be Hilarrrrious
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Jun 22, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point....
...trailing by 8.5 games, if the Brewers play .500 ball  the rest of the way (45-45), Cubs must go 55-36 (.604) to win.

That's a low probability, to say the least.

El Jefe

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Jun 21, 2007 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA
the way this teams goin theyll probably go 36-55.  This team reminds of 2005, except worse,  everytime just win 2 lose 2 win 3 lose 4 win 4 lose 4 back and forth back and forth except we will be worse than 4 games under at the end of it
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's Cubs recap:
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 Come on folks, you have to laugh. You had to know they would find a way to lose this game? This team is dreadful.

 If you were smart, you would abandon all hope for this season and realize and come to terms with just how bad this team sucks. They're a bad bad bad team. Can't do the little things and can't get a man in from 3rd with not only less than 2 outs but with zero outs!!!! It's hilarious!

 This team is so bad and has so many holes it really is funny.

 Bears first exhibition game is in just a little over a month away.

"Turn off's: Long walks in the park. Turn on's: Vagisil commercials." Peter Griffin

by pies20ready on Jun 21, 2007 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Grossman = the JJ of the bears
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 21, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can laugh
that is why tonight I've decided to watch my favorite horror/comedy flick Killer Klowns from Outer Space. I feel it should be somewhat appropriate.
And there's positivity raring it's ugly head again.

by TheRamZamDLEE on Jun 21, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I
love that movie
PC load letter, what the f*** does that mean?

by cubfaninSTL on Jun 22, 2007 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another lost season
It dawned on me today that its the end of June and the Cubs are 8 games back and are playing guys like Fontenot, Pagan, Izturis, Theriot and Bowen. That is a terrible lineup. I kept thinking its still early and they can turn this thing around. Well its not and they cant.

by Cubs fan on Jun 21, 2007 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just bought my tickets
For tommorows game.  A ton of tickets avalaliable for the upper deck and they are cheap.

by gocubs40 on Jun 21, 2007 6:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heres a suggestion lets get rid of all these tiny
players we have, or if not just keep 1 of them. im talkin about theriot, izturis, and fontenot.  sure fontenot has shown he can hit the ball out occasionally.  But you cant tell me that if your a pitcher you're at all intimidated at the face of having to face any of these hitters.  At worst you give up only a double.  We need more players that actually look like major league players and have some actual power.  No one on this team hits homeruns this year, we have to be near dead last in the league in that category. Lee wont hit over 20 this year, soriano will get to 25 thats it, ramirez is the only consistent power threat.  How bout hendry goes out and signs a shortstop that may be able to hit for decent power (15-20 hr's) and a right fielder that doesnt average a homerun per month (jones/floyd) this is really whats killing the offense.  no one has any power on this team,we only score if its 8 straight singles and its pathetic
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....
Keep IsturASS forf his defense....

Fonte*NOT* and the riot were responsible for 13 LOB between the two of them....

Add DeROSA'S 6 and that accounts for most of the choking today.....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

get rid of izturis
hes not worth is, id rather have someone who fields slightly at his level or a little worse, but can actually hit for power, thats whats killing this team right now, the shortstop defsen hasnt been the problem
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 22, 2007 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me get this straight
Except for the 5 runs in 7 innings, Lilly threw well. Did they redefine quality start? Isn't that a bit like "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the theater."

I'm sorry for the negativism, Al, but the more things change, the more they stay the same. I am so close to admitting that we are as bad as our record. The offense has killed us so often with poor use of great scoring opportunities. We have no real power hitters other than Aram and now, the 2 pitchers we bragged about getting are falling apart. Fundamentally, now that Barrett is gone, we still make stupid mistakes. This team doesn't need tinkering. It needs reconstruction from the bottom up. That includes Lee who could bring a fortune to a good GM.

OTOH, do I want Hendry fingerprints on anything? Nope, terrible idea. Sell the club, hope the new owner wants his stamp on the team immediately and get us a new GM and manager. Yeah, Piniella must go for the new regime to succeed. Frankly, no one deserves to be above the axe including Pie. If I looked at the team on opening day of 2008 and saw 6 new faces, I'd be happy.

End of rant.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 21, 2007 6:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats what happens
When expectations are lowered.

The Cubune loves its idiots

by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't blame the Cubune
To me it's like having a kid who is constantly failing his courses. So one day the kid comes home with a D, not an F. We're so worn down from all the F's that we're relieved with a D.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which reminds me of a great line
Shelby Metcalfe, the longtime (and late) former Texas A&M basketball coach, when informed by a player that he had earned 4 F's and a D:

"Son, it seems to me that you're spending too much time on one subject."

I miss that man. One of the funniest humans to ever walk this earth.

by scotteboy on Jun 22, 2007 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Will Aggie buckets stay at the high level they've been the past few years?
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not an Aggie fan
But, my magic 8-ball (and history) tells me... not likely.

by scotteboy on Jun 23, 2007 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good baseball....
What a refreshing change to watch the Red Sox play!  Everything they do defensively on the field is smooth as silk: the double plays, hitting the cutoff man, etc.  It's like 7 or 8 levels above the Cubs' play.  Offensively, there is no comparison. Their hitters numbers are probably comparable to the Cubs' lineup, but the difference is that they get the  hits when they need them.  Also, no stupid mental blunders. If anyone wants to see how the game should be played, just watch the Red Sox.  Terry Francona and Theo Epstein are true geniuses.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 21, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do me a favor
don't ever mention the Boston Red Sox here again. I seriously don't care if Manny Ramirez is hitting 4  home runs a game w/a diamond encrusted bat! If I wanted to hear (or read) about them I'd turn on the Boo-Ya Network.
And there's positivity raring it's ugly head again.

by TheRamZamDLEE on Jun 21, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No words
lasted 611 words.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 21, 2007 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tennessee Smokies news
Holliman just completed a 7 inning no-hitter of the Huntsville Stars. Colvin 0 - 3 in his debut at AA.

by TNCubsFan on Jun 21, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno
anyone wanna give him another shot? He's hitting .361 in Iowa and while no one is playing well at short, I figure we give him another shot. What's to lose?

And actually, looking over the Iowa Cubs starting lineup, I wouldn't mind giving 5 or 6 of those batters a shot.

by Chanman25 on Jun 21, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i will puke my brains out if ronny cedeno
ever plays at the major league level again
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...is this supposed to dissuade anyone?
Seriously, I mean I'm on the E-Pat bandwagon and everything... but wow. Wow. I might have to change my mind there.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 21, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no
Hendry needs to go out and get this team a real major league shortstop.  He has yet to do this in his tenior as GM.  And no, Nomar doesn't count.  He wasn't a shortstop when the Cubs got him.  He was a DH/3B/1B.  He was a miserable SS.

by cubsbak on Jun 21, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry missed his opportunities
Do you really want him making commitments on players that we'll have for 5-7 years? To me the only thing worse than Hendry not making a trade is Hendry making one.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
But at some point it would be nice to see the Cubs field a real major league shortstop.  I can't remember the last one the Cubs have had.  Maybe Guttierez.  Maybe Dunston.  It's frustrating.

by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I tend to think of acceptability based upon retired Cub players. Jenkins as a #1 starter and Jody Davis behind the plate, etc. At SS, while I enjoyed Dunston, Kessinger was the one I'd clone.

By the way, I think we've had a bigger hole at catcher over the years. While we've had guys who could hit like Barrett or ones who could catch like Miller, a well rounded catcher always seems to elude us. If Weiters turns out to be that guy, it'll be another reason to slit my wrist.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked
Miller and Bako a lot.  I still believe that a catcher needs to be primarily focused on handling the pitching staff and playing defense and any offense you get is a bonus.  It's rare that guys like Mauer or Varitek or Pudge come along who can do everything.  There just aren't many catchers like that.  I think the Cardinals have been unbelievably fortunate to have had Mike Matheny and Yadier Molina behind the plate.  Even though those guys can't hit a lick, they handle their pitchers and play defense as well as any catchers I've ever seen.  I don't think it's a coincidence that the Cardinals win the division every year with those guys behind the plate.  And I think Molina's injury this season will kill them.

by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...
it's about time we move past this Sosa thing Al. No need to dwell on 600 in today's recap. I believe this will be the last time (for awhile) Sosa and the Cubs meet.

And he's hitting .350 with RISP. That's not just getting opportunities, that's taking advantage of them.

MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Jun 21, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think moving past hearing about Sosa would be
fine with most... Today in another show of the team player that Sam-me is, he was talking about how 600 HR's guarantees his election into the Hall of Fame. While that is questionable, it is interesting that he could care less that he helped his team win a game. It was all about the stats...

by LT on Jun 21, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Cubs Team Has The Fever
And the only cure is more cowbell.

by garyscottrules on Jun 21, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Cowbell translates to
the Use of Analease, you'd have a point

by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Us Cub Fans
I think there is a serious problem with us cub fans and thats what that cubs brass are taking advantage of.

We haven't won a world series in 90+ years and yet we are more worried about the ball park, the score board , the ivy and about shelling out umpteen dollars to spend a fathers day weekend. Whenever I watch a cubs broadcast I feel like I am watching one of those you have seen it on TV channels and I am getting sick of listening to the broadcasters trying to act like telemarketers.

Wrigley field or not, ivy or not it still takes at least decent pitching, good defense and clutch hitting to win baseball games. I understand some of the attachment people develop with the ball park etc but I feel like its almost like those peddlers who get you addicted to those harmful things and in this case it is the cubs marketing people.

Winning and loosing are part of a game but its all about how we win or how we lost. Sadly for so many years our teams performed pathetically. For so many years the players look lost out of there almost as if they don't give a damn.

Wrigley field is Wrigley field only because of the ball games played inside it. So we take out of the baseball out of the fantasy world of Wrigley field, the ivy, batters eye box and all that crap they are nothing, useless.

I think it is safe to accept at least at this point that until there is a management overhaul the chicago cubs have no future.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 21, 2007 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

An addition...
I really don't understand why people hate a player so much suddenly when they find out that he might have taken steroids. Well its us fans and mainly the media who made superstars out of mere mortals. Unless they did something to jeopardize the chances of their team they are not the reason for their team's sorry state right?

You call him once or twice for his wrong doings thats ok but why do we want to be obsessed with hating him so much?? It should be all about the team. Our ultimate goal should be to win, else we can spend 98 more years, find 100 more scape goats to make us feel better but still playing the likes of Neifis, Izturis etc because we would not have identified the real problem.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 21, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute...
there's a steroids problem in baseball?

by RynoHoF on Jun 21, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi I'm cubsnlinux
and I use the same justification for why my wife left me for a real man.  

The extent that you can justify Sam-Me's steroid usage is astounding

by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope
BigFatZ,

You completely got me wrong and went way out of the line by getting personal with me. You can express your opinions without passing personal remarks that are totally uncalled for.

I am not defending sammy or else anyone as a matter of fact for taking steroids. I am trying to say that sammy is history and whether he took steroids or not doesn't really has no bearing in the cubs not winning a world series or playing imbecile baseball day in and day out. To put it more clearly who is more responsible for creating all that hype over Bond's Home Run chase? Its the media. There are other important things in baseball if not more than hitting home runs. Home run count is a mere stat. Hitting a ball out of the ballpark is just more attractive and more manly I guess than getting those men on scoring positions home whether by hitting a home run or by getting a crucial double or triple. Sammy hit all those home runs when he was part of the cubs but how many post season appearances we had during all that? This explains that there are more important things in baseball than taking wild hacks at a baseball. Everyone remembers how many homeruns bonds has hit or griffey has hit or Aaron has hit. But how many of us remember all those players who bust day in and day out for the cause of their team? Until that happens people throng ballparks to watch the n100th homerun but still those Ron Santo's will be still awaiting a call from the hall of fame.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 22, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cubsnlinux....
COngratulations...I couldn't have said it better myself.  I have my own business and the best way to make is to offer a great product at a reasonable price.  In the case of the Cubs, it is the complete opposite.  They are selling an inferior product at inflated prices. And people keep buying (i.e. filling up Wrigley).  This totally beyond comprehensibility.  Why is this? I don't have a definitive answer, although I have some theories.  It's no wonder that current management doesn't really care about putting together a championship team.  As long as they have sell 3 million + tickets a year along with all the associated merchandise, they'll be laughing all the way to the bank.  We need an owner like Mark Cuban who cares about winning (while having fun in the process).  I agree that the new owners need to do a complete overhaul including building a new park and start completely from scratch.  This franchise in its current form is pathetic.  Even with superstar players, we can't even get to .500.  My son's Little League team executes fundamental baseball better than the Cubs.  Unbelievable.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 21, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Successful teams and businesses
have a sense of urgency and people skillful enough to make decisions that will enable them to accomplish the goals. For once this year, they developed a sense of urgency. Unfortunately, Hendry was charged with the execution and the results have been pathetic.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allow me friends...
Why do we continue to buy tix and fill up Wrigley?

Because we are fans of the game of baseball and even more, fans of the Cubs.  

Here is what differentiates us from many White Sox fans...we liked this team before they got good, we like them now that they are not very good, and for those before me...they have liked them the whole time.

The reason, I am proud to say (and not the only one mind you for there are many dumbasses who are there to drink and try to get laid) that we continue to buy this "product" is because we are true fans.  

This is exactly why BCB is essential to many...it gives the true fans a chance to discuss their disgust with the product to which they have pledged their love and dedication.  

Not sure what you all suggest we do (and please save me the "boycott" crap because it is not gonna happen for those of us who enjoy the baseball experience.  That being, even when the Cubs lose (blowouts excluded), there is always hope that they will pull one out, come back and win, and basically play good ball.  

Try advising an alcoholic to give up his/her favorite drink because the price has gone up and the taste remains average at best.  Or maybe tell a smoker that they should give up cigarettes because they have gone up in price and that they still cause cancer.

What is my point?  True fans are addicted to the Cubs.  And just as Big Tobacco and alcohol companies do, the organization exploits that and in turn, reaps the benefits.  

This team has sucked!  For those who can, I would advise that you jump ship.  For those like myself, who insist on watching games to the end (even when they are down 5+ runs), we are in no matter what.  Criticize if you want but I get my basic baseball needs met when I walk through those gates, spend time with my family or friends, and maybe even enjoy a Hebrew National.

This is why we keep coming back...it is what being a true fan of a team looks like.  For the rest, the Brewers are not far from Chicago, I advise you to hop on.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
the missle of my comment got a little confusing.  I am at work and had to divert my attention (GOD FORBID!).  I am sure those of you reading figured it out for the most part.

"That being, even when the Cubs lose (blowouts excluded), there is always hope that they will pull one out, come back and win, and basically play good ball."

This is me describing the baseball experience.  Missed a closed parentheses.

Apologies.  

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH CRAP!
missle=middle
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong on so many counts
azweber9,

I am sorry that your comments were contradictory on so many counts. If you are a fan of 'baseball' why do you have to go to watch the Cubs play pathetic ball day in and day out. How does it satiate your need of watching 'Good Baseball'? If you are a 'pure' baseball fan you would rather watch some other team that executes fundamentals properly and would give you a nice treat of good fundamental baseball.

We would be hypocrites if we say that we are mere fans of baseball. Thats not true my friend, we love baseball but unfortunately we are addicted to the brand - 'cubs'. This is exactly what the cubs management is taking advantage of. If tourists talk hours and hours about Wrigley field or the ivy thats understandable because the place definetely has some historical significance but as true 'baseball' fans we have to understand that and I have explained this before also - Wrigley field,its ivy, the scoreboard, haray caray are nothing without good baseball. They are mere distractions that divert you from the real ball game.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 22, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh
the specialist checks in huh?

First of all, I AM a fan of good baseball and therefore I watch every baseball game on TV that I can get a hold of.

As far as the brand name being what I am addicted to, I don't understand how you can POSSIBLY make a statement like that without having any idea who I am.  

the baseball experience, of which I am a fan, is being at the park, enjoying the many facets of the game, and maintaining the hope that one of these days, the team that I love, will turn it around and start a much needed win streak.

"If you are a fan of 'baseball' why do you have to go to watch the Cubs play pathetic ball day in and day out"

I am a fan of baseball and I love the Cubs because it is part of my family history.  I share many a game with my father who has been sitting in the bleachers with his friends for 40 years.  I go for the atmosphere and the comradery which for me, makes the experience a great one.  Sure I leave disappointed many times but again, true fans come back because they are true fans.

It sounds as though your brilliant theory is that true fans do not exist anywhere and that we all have the choice to simply select a winning team and cheer for them.  

That mindframe my friend, is pathetic and I wish you luck with your team the Brewers, or Red Sox this year.

So many people criticize Cub fans but IMO, it is mostly by the same people that are sporting 2 year old White Sox hats and fresh bumper stickers on the cars.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A poopy day
to watch a poopy game. When are they ever going to bring someone on base home?
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 21, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The poop lady has spoken....
LOL...I say double poop.

by LT on Jun 21, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...
... I guess I could have just said "triple poop" and saved myself 609 words!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 21, 2007 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Sig Line.......

"Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them."

I am not sure which is worse:  The Men who whine or the biddies whose only contribution is typing "Go Cubbies"?;)

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on Jun 22, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like
the shoe fits so enjoy wearing it.
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 22, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roster Move
Sean Gallagher has been demoted to the AAA Iowa Cubs. No word yet on who is replacing his spot, but most likely it will be Aramis Ramirez coming off the DL.

by Chanman25 on Jun 21, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez hasn't made a rehab start yet.
That would be odd, I would think.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 21, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no time
Lee will leave when he comes back and they want to time to upcoming series against "lesser" teams.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is that odd?
Not everyone on the DL goes on a rehab assignment.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 22, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowen....
Honesty compels me to say, is that my initial reaction is......I like this guy.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Jun 21, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hitters ballparks
I think the Cubs are the only team that can make the least of playing in a hitter's ballpark. Pitcher's ballparks, OTOH seem to live up to their reputation when the Cubs come to town.

And who's going to win this edition of the X-town classic? Usually the rule of thumb is that the team with momentum is the one that gets beaten. The problem is that both the Cubs and Sox have zero momentum right now. Maybe they'll disappear in a puff of smoke due to the black hole of suck surrounding both teams right now?

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Jun 21, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have run out of words
for this team. Losing games like this happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year, Cubs lose games like this weekly. It is a complete embarassment.
 They play in the worst division in baseball, and will be lucky to see .500.
 Summer after Summer the same story. Certain teams have heart, look at the A's how in the hell does that team win year after year. Good  decisions by the front office and good sound baseball. Well the CUbs are 0 for 2 in that department.
 Please play Pagan, sit Jones and unload him somewhere. Theriot needs to hit again, becasue Fontenot is about passed his comfortable beginning.
 I just don't get it, why this team? The most frustrating bunch I have seen in my years.
 Hope, don't have any left for this year. Hope Colvin and Vitters can hit in 2010.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jun 21, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...with no leadoff hitter...
Could it hurt to try......
  1.  Lee 1b
  2.  Soriano LF
  3.  Floyd RF
  4.  DeRosa 2b
  5.  Ramierez 3b
  6.  Were down to automatic outs....
Arrrrrggggghhhhhhhh.........

It must suck to be pinella....Who do you protect ramierez with??  

Who do you use as a leadoff hitter??

So...the Cubs have 5 major leauge hitters and 8 spots to fill.....

Can Marquis play ....I don't know....anywhere on the field?

Pie is OK....but whoever he hits behind is going to get pitched around a lot....

Isturass is the only guy who can cover any ground in the infield....but where do you b at him....

And catcher is now a position I don't expect anything offensively from anymore....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who?
Who would bat 1st while Lee serves his suspension.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why bat DeRosa 4th?
It would seem like DeRosa should be the one to protect Ramirez by batting 5th.

And you're overrating Izturis defensively.  He's no better than Theriot.  That's not a compliment of Theriot, who hasn't been hitting any better than the worthless Izturis lately.

by SouthernCub on Jun 22, 2007 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tweaks
Move De Rosa to # 2 and Soriano to # 5. Soriano can't bunt and that's # 2's responsibility. Soriano would then protect Ramírez. That means Floyd is # 3 and Ramírez hits 4th. Then it's the Iowa guys at the bottom of the batting order.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretenders, not contenders
This team lacks fundamentals, like:
1) Can't get outs on rundowns.
2)SS doesn't know how to block a base.
3)Pitcher allows 5 runs in 7 innings but K's 10. That uneven performance is considered good in Cubs' Mediocreland.
  1. Bad defense in LF. Sorry, Al, but don't blame Pagán in RF. If he had caught that ball it would've been the web gem of the year on the Boo-Yah Network.
  2. No depth in bench. No offensive threat or adequate defensive replacements there.
  3. Outfielders constantly missing cut-off men. Hello, JJ.
  4. Marquis is regressing. Don't expect better performances from now on. He has nothing left.
  5. Bad line-ups. (Manager's fault) The only power hitter besides Ramírez is hitting lead-off. (less RBI's)
  6. Substitution on second batter. New guy (Fontenot) leaves 6 runners stranded.
  7. No sac flies.
  8. Too many singles account for the team hits. (lack of power)
  9. No scoring in the latter innings (see inconsistent hitting, no power, no clutch hitting).
  10. 2 out of 5 starters not throwing consistently good.
  11. No defined set-up pitcher.
  12. Key injuries and suspensions. (Soriano, Ramírez, Lee)
  13. Bad defense in OF and C until yesterday.
  14. Bad base running (bad coaching, worse players).
You have to wonder. What do they teach these guys in the minors?
Result: good for a team under 500, on 3rd place in a weak division. Yes, the mediocre Cardinals are in 2d place!
If the Cubs keep this up, they'll be sellers, not buyers, by July 31.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 21, 2007 11:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How many players out there...
came up through the Cubs system.....(I'll answer my own question....but the Cubs basically aren't a product of their minor league system...)

So...the ? isn't what are the Cubs teaching in the minors....what's being taught in the minors in general....???

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Half come from Iowa
These players are a product of the Cubs farm system:
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot, Pagán, Hill.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 21, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some but fewer
They're making some of those mistakes, like not knowing how to hit a sac fly, overrunning or underrunning the bases, not advancing a runner, but I agree, the really bad ones are being made by the sorry excuse of MLB players the Cubs have. I wonder if they're trying to make too much. Imagine, major leaguers who cannot handle the pressure.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the mistakes
are being made by players who played under the Dude. After every loss Dusty and his insiders would tell us to relax, we'll get them tomorrow...maybe. No one on the team was forced to accept responsibility.

Now we have exactly the opposite type manager. Don't make any mistakes or else. All those players that used to chill are looking over their shoulder on every play, worried they'll screw up. And of course, that tends to force more mistakes. I believe this is the tightest Cub team I've seen.

It's hard to imagine some of the stupid mistakes made this year and it isn't getting better. Look for this team to lose touch with the playoffs and then run off a .600 record when nothing is at stake. Then we'll hear about all the bad breaks we got but look at us now. And finally, wait until next year.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Extremes
Interesting. You're saying that Hendry went from one extreme to the other and neither is the right choice. You would rather see an even-tempered guy managing. I don't disagree but when I see the boneheaded plays I think, how can anyone not go ballistic on these guys?
Bottom line, players are happy and relaxed when they're winning but they're tight and anxious when they're losing.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
that there is any question that Lou and Hendry are polar opposites. My observation is that it's similar to any workplace where the old boss was a friend of everyone. You could come in to work late and leave early without any problems. Suddenly there is a change in bosses. Now every worker has a time card and has to account for every minute of the workday. The workers who are late or don't have a valid explanation for their time are docked or given days off without pay.

Most workers have difficulty adjusting to the severity of those type workplace changes. As to what sytle I prefer, I'd choose John Wooden or Bobby Cox as my favorites. They developed a culture at their jobs which carried from one year to another. I challenge anyone to tell me what the Cubs culture is.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo!
Half are indeed from Iowa, but that's what everyone's been screaming for, right? ;>

Face it, Lou is viewing the entire 2007 season as extended spring training. He gave up on this year about half way through May when the Brewers looked unbeatable. He knows Hendry is gone, and he is simply using this year to remake the team the way he wants it, post-Dusty, and soon, post Hendry. Get used to it.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jun 22, 2007 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm glad they're playing
I'd rather see the Iowa guys play than the old sorry excuses for major league players that were regulars before.
Let me clarify something. I don't blame he Iowa guys for the state of the team. These are rookies and as such, they'll make mistakes, physical and mental. I just hope Lou can handle that. What he shouldn't tolerate is veterans constantly screwing up. What I meant originally was that the lack of fundamentals is something that should have been noticed and corrected early in their careers.
For example, I still remember when ARam used to make too many throwing errors because his footing wasn't right. Why wasn't that handled in the minors by the Pirates AAA team, the team he belonged to? I think the minors in general, not Iowa alone, are to blame.
Anyway, this team makes too many mental mistakes. That's a sign of desperation and frustration. Is Lou the right manager for that situation?

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Lou is part of the problem
I think these players are afraid of him.  Which sometimes is good, sometimes not.  There needs to be a balance and I don't know if Lou and this team has found it.  For me, last year was less painful to watch.  We had injuries to key players and a minor league pitching staff.  This year the games are closer but the results  are the same.  With the way these contracts are back loaded I don't see us dumping any of these players anytime soon.  That for me is the scariest thought.  

by mgfabc on Jun 22, 2007 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Half come from Iowa
I thought Pagan came up through the Mets system.
Your 2007 Chicago Cubs: Hey, at least we keep it interesting.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 22, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
And Fontenot is from the Orioles.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jun 22, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd worry about being sellers.......
because Hendry is going to need to start dealing with teams that have high upside prospects.....LAA, LA, ARI and he doesn't do that. He's much more comfortable dealing with SD, BAL and teams without anything decent in their systems.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 22, 2007 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as the Cubs deserve criticism...
  1. How many rundowns have they failed at? 1? 2?
  2. Again, how many times? 1?
  3. Who considered the performance a good one?
  4. Soriano has been solid since moving to left.
  5. We have adequate defensive replacements (stressing adequate). And Ward has been a decent bat.
  6. JJ hasn't been bad this year with his throws. He doesn't have a cannon, but has made major improvements in his defense. It's his bat that sucks these days.
  7. He has nothing left? Quite a bold statement, although I agree he will regress.
  8. I put the bad lineups on Hendry more than anybody. And there's that mystery involving Soriano being promised the leadoff spot.
  9. It was his only game at the 2 spot, and he's been swinging a hot bat lately.
  10. Situational hitting: definitely a problem.
  11. Agreed. Ramirez's injury and Lee's power outage really hurt the team.
  12. See 10.
  13. Rotation hasn't been the problem.
  14. The bullpen in general is a problem.
  15. Yep.
  16. OF? OF defense hasn't been that bad, especially when Pie has been up.
  17. Definitely.
MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Jun 22, 2007 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree with your reply...
the original poster's 17-point inspection of the team's problems seems WAY too influenced by yesterday's game.

The real problems seem to have been (in no particular order):

  1. Highly inconsistent bullpen production and very poor production early from some key guys.
  2. Bad baserunning early.
  3. Terrible hitting from the bottom part of the order.
  4. Terrible hitting from a supposedly decent-hitting regular in Jones.
  5. Terrible defense from catcher (really the only position at which we've been terrible defensively).
  6. Inconsistent offense, possibly due to the constantly changing lineups early in the year.
  7. Injuries.

by SouthernCub on Jun 22, 2007 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense
I think the defense has been worse than you're letting on and has been a big factor in the Cubs problems.  When Soriano was in center the Cubs were below average at each outfield position, and WAY below average in right field.  Since Soriano moved to left and Pie was brought up the outfield defense isn't as bad, although right field was miserable whenever Murton was there and just bad when Floyd plays.  As for the infield their problems at catcher have been well documented, but Cubs have very little range at every other position except first base.  And range in the infield is especially important when playing at Wrigley because of the high grass.  There are just a lot of plays on the infield that it seems to me should be made that aren't.  I think this is related to their miserable record at Wrigley.  A lot of ground balls that find holes against the Cubs turn into outs for other teams.

by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
In fact, the central defensive line was just revamped with Pie, the new catchers and the LSU guys at SS and 2d. But, for example, SS lateral range is still a problem with both Theriot and Izturis.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Response and some nitpicks...
  1.  Soriano moved to LF like 60 games ago.  And prior to that, his defense wasn't great, but it wasn't costing us games (couldn't have - he was there for 12 games!).  It was the fact that he wasn't hitting that caused the move to LF.
  2.  Murton only had a handful of games where his defense was costly, again because he only played 20 games in RF.
  3.  I discussed the catching problems (I said they were the big defensive problems).
Beyond that, I think you're magnifying the impact of being average defensively at some positions.  I'd say walks and home runs have had a much bigger impact on our failures than incrementally mediocre defensive players.  Izturis and Theriot are adequate there.  Aside from Izturis' blowup game early, neither has stood out in either direction defensively.  Thus, I'd say it's not a problem.  Same with Floyd.  Sure, he's not saving games out there, but rarely is his lack of stellar defense a difference maker.

We have acceptable defenders at nearly every position and some difference makers at some positions (DLee at 1B, Pie in CF, Barrett in a bad way at C).  We certainly don't have a ton of gold glovers, but that's not a key reason we're struggling.

by SouthernCub on Jun 22, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree
The lack of range has made a difference.  I'm not about to dig into everyone's range factors (in part because I'm too lazy and in part because I don't think it's a particularly useful stat), but I've noticed balls that have fallen in the outfield that I thought should've been caught or balls that have gotten through the infield that have led to runs.  At one point I believe the Cubs were last in double plays, which is indicative of what I'm talking about.  I realize my analysis is subjective but then so is everybody's when talking about defense.

by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification
I was posting about yesterday's game and why we lost. Then I listed several more flaws of the team. I should have separated one from the other. My mistake.
I don't disagree with everything you say. They missed a rundown yesterday but my point is that defense hasn't been solid all year long.
Soriano has been better, but not solid, since he moved to LF. However, I can live with that because he hits a ton.
Sorry, but JJ's throws have been miserable, as always.
Marquis will keep pitching fat balls over the plate.
My point on Fontenot leaving 6 stranded was more to stress how decisions by the manager affect the outcome. Whether it's a bad or good move remains to be seen. I don't like it. Someone else posted a better line-up above.
The rotation has been a problem because the team hasn't had 5 consistent starters all season long. Someone is always on a bad streak. And I don't think Marquis will get out of his funk. I hope I'm wrong.
The bullpen has improved and I suggest that in general, it's no longer a liability, unless we expect no runs from them every night, something impossible.
OF defense has improved since Pie was assigned permanently to CF, Soriano was moved to LF, Murton was sent to Iowa and JJ was benched.
Anyway, you made excellent points. I agree with a lot of them.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid, solid as a ...
"Soriano has been solid since moving to left."

"Solid" is not the word I'd use to describe Soriano in LF.  How about "ok," "passable" or "average?"

by DrCrawdad on Jun 22, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly Al,
I was all ready to write a happy recap of a Cub come-from-behind win that I was going to take partial credit for, because after it was 5-0 Rangers and the Cubs looked pathetic, I went out to run some errands -- upon which they promptly had the four-run rally in the fifth inning.

At what point is the superstition just plain crazy? Because you went out to run a few errands the Cubs scored some runs? C'mon man. You are not in third grade. The Cubs and scoring runs has nothing to do with what any of us do. The losing has to do with the fact that right now they are not a good ballclub. I probably shouldn't even post this, but I will. I apologize in advance if you or others don't like the post.

All the best,
ccd

by ccd on Jun 21, 2007 11:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hello ccd...
... all I have to say is, if my kids met you they would call you a "funsucker".
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 22, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why the Cubs stink.....
There is only one answer:  THEY ARE CURSED!!

How else can you explain 99 years of mediocrity?  Superstars come here and make stupid mistakes.  Highly touted managers come here and can't even get to .500.  Owners spend a ton of money and get junk in return.

Stop with all the other excuses....THEY ARE CURSED!!

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 22, 2007 5:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very depressing
This whole season has been a disappointment. I really did have high expectations this spring, maybe not a world series but an over .500 team that would at least contend. I don't feel that is going to happen at this point. I'm not watching the game today, just can't stand to at this point. I'll watch them again, probably this weekend, but today I just can't stomach it.

by qccub on Jun 22, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
i am really depressed so far this year...

by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 22, 2007 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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