No Words
I was all ready to write a happy recap of a Cub come-from-behind win that I was going to take partial credit for, because after it was 5-0 Rangers and the Cubs looked pathetic, I went out to run some errands -- upon which they promptly had the four-run rally in the fifth inning.
Unfortunately, you'll never read that recap, because more jaw-dropping plays happened in the Rangers' ninth inning and the Cubs lost 6-5, a game they absolutely, positively should have won, because:
- they had thirteen hits and six walks. Nineteen baserunners! Unfortunately, thirteen of them were left on base. (That leaves six, and they scored only five runs, and I'm too upset and lazy to figure out the difference.)
- Ted Lilly settled down after giving up two early HR and threw very well, finishing seven innings with ten strikeouts and only one walk.
- Alfonso Soriano let a ball leak out of his glove. To be fair, this would have been a very tough diving catch. But he had it, and dropped it.
- Angel Pagan dropped a line drive sinking away from him, on which he was making a diving attempt, and that drove in the winning run. Again, to be fair, this would have been a spectacular catch. But he had it, and dropped it.
- And then there's the worst defensive lapse, Bob Howry's inexplicable wait to throw out Kenny Lofton, trapped off first on a comebacker. Cesar Izturis is not blameless on this play, either, as he was standing too far away from second base to tag Lofton as he dived back in.
All the Cubs can do is pick up the pieces and try to win at least two of three at the Cell.
Over the last two days there has been much discussion of Sammy Sosa's 600th HR and whether or not he's having a good year (I say not; many of you said he was, based primarily on his RBI count). This post at Lone Star Ball lays the "Sammy's not very good and the Rangers should get rid of him" case out quite well, particularly here:
Because the RBIs are pretty much irrelevant. Sosa isn't hitting well.
Look at Pedro Feliz last year. He had 98 RBIs, despite an awful .244/.281/.428 line. No one would credibly argue that he was driving in runs and thus deserved to stay in the lineup for the Giants...why do that for Sosa?
RBIs are largely a function of opportunity. Sosa has more ABs, by far, with runners in scoring position than any other Ranger. He should be leading the team in RBIs. But it doesn't change the fact that he's not been very good this year.
I really don't have much more to say, as the title of this post indicates. I'm off to see Ocean's Thirteen right now; I had planned that anyway, but now I need to take my mind off this horrific game.
Off to the Cell tomorrow, too. If any of you will be there, I'll be in the LF bleachers.
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I'm increasingly
by rynofan23 on Jun 21, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, just go ahead and lose
Seriously, what is it about this team that makes you think they are even remotely capable of making up 8.5 games? The bullpen? The offense? The solid fundamental defense?
Let's face it....what we've received from the starting rotation is about all we could possibly expect when the season began (except perhaps a couple of better starts from Z). Don't look for that to improve over the 2d half.
Also, once and for all, everyone just please acknowledge that the Brewers are a better baseball team than the Cubs. They aren't "coming back to Earth" or "going to stop being so lucky." They are simply a better team.
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts"....and the Cubs and Brewers are proving the truth of that statement.
by ryno234ever on Jun 21, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
It's a shame, it's a darn shame!
by cubfanwill on Jun 21, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al!
by sanantonecub on Jun 21, 2007 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There ARE words Al
by jessica on Jun 21, 2007 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad I missed the end
The only glimmer of hope I see now is taking two of three from the Sux will give the Cubs a 3-3 road trip, which is generally considered acceptable. Of course, when a team is this many games under .500 and desperately trying to catch the division leader, it's really not that good.
I can't believe the Cubs gave up Sosa's 600th homer and the series. Talk about depressing...
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 21, 2007 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases Loaded...
by bergs55 on Jun 21, 2007 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Runner Difference
What a terrible way to wrap the road trip. We all say "just win series", etc etc - but then we give away series with games like the last two. It shouldn't be THIS frustrating to follow a team which hasn't won a WS in 99 years. Egads.
by Tater01 on Jun 21, 2007 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
by Loon from Left on Jun 21, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey
by NotreDameCubbie on Jun 21, 2007 4:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Read the diaries posted.
by bergs55 on Jun 21, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by NotreDameCubbie on Jun 21, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of this moment
Enough said.
by zambranofan on Jun 21, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a fan and still optimistic
Al may remember the fact that for the last 4 years I've been saying that the biggest problem the Cubs have as an organization is the lack of fundamental skills necessary to win on a regular basis. The organization hasn't made that a priority.
It was also the main reason why I was against Lou as manager. He talked the talk, but I didn't think he's follow through, and so far, he hasn't. You can't change a fundamental mindset of a team by trading away the most visable offender, as they've tried with Barrett.
I know that Lou can't get out there and play the game for the Cubs and that the players must shoulder a great deal of the blame, but the fact is that this team is fundamentally poor. They can't run bases, they can't move along runners, they can't hit sac flies, they can't bunt, they can't hit cut-off men, they don't do so well with talking walks, etc. You can tell me all day long about what mathematical formulas say the Cubs should be doing, but it's the final product on the field that actually matters. If this coaching staff can't do what is necessary to appropriately motivate it's players to play fundamentally sound ball, then it's time to find people who can. It's time to find ways of getting through to these players.
Usually, an appeal to pride would be a good motivator, but I can't imagine there is anyone associated with the Cub organization that has much pride in the product that's been put on the field this year.
There's still time to turn it around. I believe that. But if they don't whip off a really good streak before the ASB, we'll all be waiting until next year again.
by Scott on Jun 21, 2007 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's really a shame...
I don't want to hear anymore about the "blowpen"...it isn't the pen or the pitching...it's the poor defense, fundamentals and offense put together by the regular position players.
The Cubs shouldn't have been in 20 some 1 run games......the inability to plate baserunners is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM.
by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to tomorrow's game at US Sellout Field.
He will be in his Crede jersey and I will be in my Santo jersey. I might get an armed guard and try to look you up, Al.
by MetsSuck on Jun 21, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So
by wjblol on Jun 21, 2007 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
by cubsirishkillme on Jun 21, 2007 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okkkkkkkk
by BigFatZ on Jun 21, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there'll be takers...
by RynoHoF on Jun 21, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like some
by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Position-wise,
by Matt Allison on Jun 21, 2007 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youngsters, Lee and Fonzy
So I say (let the hate begin) sell Ramirez for as much as you can get, now. Play for the future. Get the biggest stick you can for RF next year, and bring up Scott Moore next year.
One man's opinion.
by soonerbered on Jun 21, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and...
by soonerbered on Jun 21, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep Lee, Aram, Soriano, Pie
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by mgfabc on Jun 21, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I'll be there..."
This is the high level of discourse I expect to hear tomorrow:
"Your team sucks!"
"Yeah, well your team sucks worse!"
Of course if, as they should, the Cubbies win the series against the Sox you can always hope that the "big series win" ignites the Cubbies for the umpteenth time this season. On the other hand, the Sox are done and have been for awhile. And yes, this season the Sox are worse.
by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it helps...
/shrugs
by cwyers on Jun 21, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad, badder, baddest
- Toronto
- Houston
- Philadelphia
- Pittsburgh
- Florida
by DrCrawdad on Jun 21, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But will Thome hit 500 this year?
by JFCubFan on Jun 21, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox should be worse
by mgfabc on Jun 21, 2007 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In other baseball news
And the ANTI - Maddux ( Clemens) goes 4.1 innings gives up
4 and gets the loss. 28 Million just does not buy what it used
to.
by jessica on Jun 21, 2007 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Champagne corks will be flying in my house
signed,
another Maddux fan
by JFCubFan on Jun 21, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ETA on that is
I will be popping corks too
by jessica on Jun 22, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Cubs are swept this weekend
by Chanman25 on Jun 21, 2007 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
saw this on another site:
anyone hear this?
by cubsirishkillme on Jun 21, 2007 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel for ronny i really do
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You kidding?
by SouthernCub on Jun 21, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the truly sad part
by cubsbak on Jun 21, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is turning out to be a good season...
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 21, 2007 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Conan should
by Jayo525 on Jun 22, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point....
That's a low probability, to say the least.
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Jun 21, 2007 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today's Cubs recap:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Come on folks, you have to laugh. You had to know they would find a way to lose this game? This team is dreadful.
If you were smart, you would abandon all hope for this season and realize and come to terms with just how bad this team sucks. They're a bad bad bad team. Can't do the little things and can't get a man in from 3rd with not only less than 2 outs but with zero outs!!!! It's hilarious!
This team is so bad and has so many holes it really is funny.
Bears first exhibition game is in just a little over a month away.
by pies20ready on Jun 21, 2007 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Grossman = the JJ of the bears
by cubsirishkillme on Jun 21, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can laugh
by TheRamZamDLEE on Jun 21, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
by cubfaninSTL on Jun 22, 2007 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another lost season
by Cubs fan on Jun 21, 2007 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just bought my tickets
by gocubs40 on Jun 21, 2007 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
heres a suggestion lets get rid of all these tiny
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
Fonte*NOT* and the riot were responsible for 13 LOB between the two of them....
Add DeROSA'S 6 and that accounts for most of the choking today.....
by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get rid of izturis
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 22, 2007 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight
I'm sorry for the negativism, Al, but the more things change, the more they stay the same. I am so close to admitting that we are as bad as our record. The offense has killed us so often with poor use of great scoring opportunities. We have no real power hitters other than Aram and now, the 2 pitchers we bragged about getting are falling apart. Fundamentally, now that Barrett is gone, we still make stupid mistakes. This team doesn't need tinkering. It needs reconstruction from the bottom up. That includes Lee who could bring a fortune to a good GM.
OTOH, do I want Hendry fingerprints on anything? Nope, terrible idea. Sell the club, hope the new owner wants his stamp on the team immediately and get us a new GM and manager. Yeah, Piniella must go for the new regime to succeed. Frankly, no one deserves to be above the axe including Pie. If I looked at the team on opening day of 2008 and saw 6 new faces, I'd be happy.
End of rant.
by tharr on Jun 21, 2007 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats what happens
The Cubune loves its idiots
by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't blame the Cubune
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which reminds me of a great line
"Son, it seems to me that you're spending too much time on one subject."
I miss that man. One of the funniest humans to ever walk this earth.
by scotteboy on Jun 22, 2007 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not an Aggie fan
by scotteboy on Jun 23, 2007 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good baseball....
by ronsanto10 on Jun 21, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do me a favor
by TheRamZamDLEE on Jun 21, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No words
by tharr on Jun 21, 2007 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tennessee Smokies news
by TNCubsFan on Jun 21, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno
And actually, looking over the Iowa Cubs starting lineup, I wouldn't mind giving 5 or 6 of those batters a shot.
by Chanman25 on Jun 21, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i will puke my brains out if ronny cedeno
by CubsBall2202 on Jun 21, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...is this supposed to dissuade anyone?
by cwyers on Jun 21, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no
by cubsbak on Jun 21, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry missed his opportunities
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
By the way, I think we've had a bigger hole at catcher over the years. While we've had guys who could hit like Barrett or ones who could catch like Miller, a well rounded catcher always seems to elude us. If Weiters turns out to be that guy, it'll be another reason to slit my wrist.
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked
by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
And he's hitting .350 with RISP. That's not just getting opportunities, that's taking advantage of them.
by thekansasian on Jun 21, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think moving past hearing about Sosa would be
by LT on Jun 21, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Cubs Team Has The Fever
by garyscottrules on Jun 21, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Cowbell translates to
by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Us Cub Fans
We haven't won a world series in 90+ years and yet we are more worried about the ball park, the score board , the ivy and about shelling out umpteen dollars to spend a fathers day weekend. Whenever I watch a cubs broadcast I feel like I am watching one of those you have seen it on TV channels and I am getting sick of listening to the broadcasters trying to act like telemarketers.
Wrigley field or not, ivy or not it still takes at least decent pitching, good defense and clutch hitting to win baseball games. I understand some of the attachment people develop with the ball park etc but I feel like its almost like those peddlers who get you addicted to those harmful things and in this case it is the cubs marketing people.
Winning and loosing are part of a game but its all about how we win or how we lost. Sadly for so many years our teams performed pathetically. For so many years the players look lost out of there almost as if they don't give a damn.
Wrigley field is Wrigley field only because of the ball games played inside it. So we take out of the baseball out of the fantasy world of Wrigley field, the ivy, batters eye box and all that crap they are nothing, useless.
I think it is safe to accept at least at this point that until there is a management overhaul the chicago cubs have no future.
by cubsnlinux on Jun 21, 2007 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
An addition...
You call him once or twice for his wrong doings thats ok but why do we want to be obsessed with hating him so much?? It should be all about the team. Our ultimate goal should be to win, else we can spend 98 more years, find 100 more scape goats to make us feel better but still playing the likes of Neifis, Izturis etc because we would not have identified the real problem.
by cubsnlinux on Jun 21, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
by RynoHoF on Jun 21, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi I'm cubsnlinux
The extent that you can justify Sam-Me's steroid usage is astounding
by BigFatZ on Jun 22, 2007 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
You completely got me wrong and went way out of the line by getting personal with me. You can express your opinions without passing personal remarks that are totally uncalled for.
I am not defending sammy or else anyone as a matter of fact for taking steroids. I am trying to say that sammy is history and whether he took steroids or not doesn't really has no bearing in the cubs not winning a world series or playing imbecile baseball day in and day out. To put it more clearly who is more responsible for creating all that hype over Bond's Home Run chase? Its the media. There are other important things in baseball if not more than hitting home runs. Home run count is a mere stat. Hitting a ball out of the ballpark is just more attractive and more manly I guess than getting those men on scoring positions home whether by hitting a home run or by getting a crucial double or triple. Sammy hit all those home runs when he was part of the cubs but how many post season appearances we had during all that? This explains that there are more important things in baseball than taking wild hacks at a baseball. Everyone remembers how many homeruns bonds has hit or griffey has hit or Aaron has hit. But how many of us remember all those players who bust day in and day out for the cause of their team? Until that happens people throng ballparks to watch the n100th homerun but still those Ron Santo's will be still awaiting a call from the hall of fame.
by cubsnlinux on Jun 22, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubsnlinux....
by ronsanto10 on Jun 21, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Successful teams and businesses
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allow me friends...
Because we are fans of the game of baseball and even more, fans of the Cubs.
Here is what differentiates us from many White Sox fans...we liked this team before they got good, we like them now that they are not very good, and for those before me...they have liked them the whole time.
The reason, I am proud to say (and not the only one mind you for there are many dumbasses who are there to drink and try to get laid) that we continue to buy this "product" is because we are true fans.
This is exactly why BCB is essential to many...it gives the true fans a chance to discuss their disgust with the product to which they have pledged their love and dedication.
Not sure what you all suggest we do (and please save me the "boycott" crap because it is not gonna happen for those of us who enjoy the baseball experience. That being, even when the Cubs lose (blowouts excluded), there is always hope that they will pull one out, come back and win, and basically play good ball.
Try advising an alcoholic to give up his/her favorite drink because the price has gone up and the taste remains average at best. Or maybe tell a smoker that they should give up cigarettes because they have gone up in price and that they still cause cancer.
What is my point? True fans are addicted to the Cubs. And just as Big Tobacco and alcohol companies do, the organization exploits that and in turn, reaps the benefits.
This team has sucked! For those who can, I would advise that you jump ship. For those like myself, who insist on watching games to the end (even when they are down 5+ runs), we are in no matter what. Criticize if you want but I get my basic baseball needs met when I walk through those gates, spend time with my family or friends, and maybe even enjoy a Hebrew National.
This is why we keep coming back...it is what being a true fan of a team looks like. For the rest, the Brewers are not far from Chicago, I advise you to hop on.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
"That being, even when the Cubs lose (blowouts excluded), there is always hope that they will pull one out, come back and win, and basically play good ball."
This is me describing the baseball experience. Missed a closed parentheses.
Apologies.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH CRAP!
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong on so many counts
I am sorry that your comments were contradictory on so many counts. If you are a fan of 'baseball' why do you have to go to watch the Cubs play pathetic ball day in and day out. How does it satiate your need of watching 'Good Baseball'? If you are a 'pure' baseball fan you would rather watch some other team that executes fundamentals properly and would give you a nice treat of good fundamental baseball.
We would be hypocrites if we say that we are mere fans of baseball. Thats not true my friend, we love baseball but unfortunately we are addicted to the brand - 'cubs'. This is exactly what the cubs management is taking advantage of. If tourists talk hours and hours about Wrigley field or the ivy thats understandable because the place definetely has some historical significance but as true 'baseball' fans we have to understand that and I have explained this before also - Wrigley field,its ivy, the scoreboard, haray caray are nothing without good baseball. They are mere distractions that divert you from the real ball game.
by cubsnlinux on Jun 22, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh
First of all, I AM a fan of good baseball and therefore I watch every baseball game on TV that I can get a hold of.
As far as the brand name being what I am addicted to, I don't understand how you can POSSIBLY make a statement like that without having any idea who I am.
the baseball experience, of which I am a fan, is being at the park, enjoying the many facets of the game, and maintaining the hope that one of these days, the team that I love, will turn it around and start a much needed win streak.
"If you are a fan of 'baseball' why do you have to go to watch the Cubs play pathetic ball day in and day out"
I am a fan of baseball and I love the Cubs because it is part of my family history. I share many a game with my father who has been sitting in the bleachers with his friends for 40 years. I go for the atmosphere and the comradery which for me, makes the experience a great one. Sure I leave disappointed many times but again, true fans come back because they are true fans.
It sounds as though your brilliant theory is that true fans do not exist anywhere and that we all have the choice to simply select a winning team and cheer for them.
That mindframe my friend, is pathetic and I wish you luck with your team the Brewers, or Red Sox this year.
So many people criticize Cub fans but IMO, it is mostly by the same people that are sporting 2 year old White Sox hats and fresh bumper stickers on the cars.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 22, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A poopy day
by sue369 on Jun 21, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The poop lady has spoken....
by LT on Jun 21, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Sig Line.......
"Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them."
I am not sure which is worse: The Men who whine or the biddies whose only contribution is typing "Go Cubbies"?;)
by timeforachange on Jun 22, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
by sue369 on Jun 22, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roster Move
by Chanman25 on Jun 21, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez hasn't made a rehab start yet.
by cwyers on Jun 21, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no time
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that odd?
by Al on Jun 22, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowen....
by deadcatbounce on Jun 21, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hitters ballparks
And who's going to win this edition of the X-town classic? Usually the rule of thumb is that the team with momentum is the one that gets beaten. The problem is that both the Cubs and Sox have zero momentum right now. Maybe they'll disappear in a puff of smoke due to the black hole of suck surrounding both teams right now?
by jrm78 on Jun 21, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have run out of words
They play in the worst division in baseball, and will be lucky to see .500.
Summer after Summer the same story. Certain teams have heart, look at the A's how in the hell does that team win year after year. Good decisions by the front office and good sound baseball. Well the CUbs are 0 for 2 in that department.
Please play Pagan, sit Jones and unload him somewhere. Theriot needs to hit again, becasue Fontenot is about passed his comfortable beginning.
I just don't get it, why this team? The most frustrating bunch I have seen in my years.
Hope, don't have any left for this year. Hope Colvin and Vitters can hit in 2010.
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jun 21, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...with no leadoff hitter...
- Lee 1b
- Soriano LF
- Floyd RF
- DeRosa 2b
- Ramierez 3b
- Were down to automatic outs....
It must suck to be pinella....Who do you protect ramierez with??
Who do you use as a leadoff hitter??
So...the Cubs have 5 major leauge hitters and 8 spots to fill.....
Can Marquis play ....I don't know....anywhere on the field?
Pie is OK....but whoever he hits behind is going to get pitched around a lot....
Isturass is the only guy who can cover any ground in the infield....but where do you b at him....
And catcher is now a position I don't expect anything offensively from anymore....
by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who?
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why bat DeRosa 4th?
And you're overrating Izturis defensively. He's no better than Theriot. That's not a compliment of Theriot, who hasn't been hitting any better than the worthless Izturis lately.
by SouthernCub on Jun 22, 2007 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tweaks
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretenders, not contenders
1) Can't get outs on rundowns.
2)SS doesn't know how to block a base.
3)Pitcher allows 5 runs in 7 innings but K's 10. That uneven performance is considered good in Cubs' Mediocreland.
- Bad defense in LF. Sorry, Al, but don't blame Pagán in RF. If he had caught that ball it would've been the web gem of the year on the Boo-Yah Network.
- No depth in bench. No offensive threat or adequate defensive replacements there.
- Outfielders constantly missing cut-off men. Hello, JJ.
- Marquis is regressing. Don't expect better performances from now on. He has nothing left.
- Bad line-ups. (Manager's fault) The only power hitter besides Ramírez is hitting lead-off. (less RBI's)
- Substitution on second batter. New guy (Fontenot) leaves 6 runners stranded.
- No sac flies.
- Too many singles account for the team hits. (lack of power)
- No scoring in the latter innings (see inconsistent hitting, no power, no clutch hitting).
- 2 out of 5 starters not throwing consistently good.
- No defined set-up pitcher.
- Key injuries and suspensions. (Soriano, Ramírez, Lee)
- Bad defense in OF and C until yesterday.
- Bad base running (bad coaching, worse players).
Result: good for a team under 500, on 3rd place in a weak division. Yes, the mediocre Cardinals are in 2d place!
If the Cubs keep this up, they'll be sellers, not buyers, by July 31.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 21, 2007 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many players out there...
So...the ? isn't what are the Cubs teaching in the minors....what's being taught in the minors in general....???
by kcjones on Jun 21, 2007 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half come from Iowa
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot, Pagán, Hill.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 21, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are these the guys making the bonehead mistakes?
by kcjones on Jun 22, 2007 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some but fewer
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the mistakes
Now we have exactly the opposite type manager. Don't make any mistakes or else. All those players that used to chill are looking over their shoulder on every play, worried they'll screw up. And of course, that tends to force more mistakes. I believe this is the tightest Cub team I've seen.
It's hard to imagine some of the stupid mistakes made this year and it isn't getting better. Look for this team to lose touch with the playoffs and then run off a .600 record when nothing is at stake. Then we'll hear about all the bad breaks we got but look at us now. And finally, wait until next year.
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extremes
Bottom line, players are happy and relaxed when they're winning but they're tight and anxious when they're losing.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Most workers have difficulty adjusting to the severity of those type workplace changes. As to what sytle I prefer, I'd choose John Wooden or Bobby Cox as my favorites. They developed a culture at their jobs which carried from one year to another. I challenge anyone to tell me what the Cubs culture is.
by tharr on Jun 22, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo!
Face it, Lou is viewing the entire 2007 season as extended spring training. He gave up on this year about half way through May when the Brewers looked unbeatable. He knows Hendry is gone, and he is simply using this year to remake the team the way he wants it, post-Dusty, and soon, post Hendry. Get used to it.
by Matt Allison on Jun 22, 2007 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm glad they're playing
Let me clarify something. I don't blame he Iowa guys for the state of the team. These are rookies and as such, they'll make mistakes, physical and mental. I just hope Lou can handle that. What he shouldn't tolerate is veterans constantly screwing up. What I meant originally was that the lack of fundamentals is something that should have been noticed and corrected early in their careers.
For example, I still remember when ARam used to make too many throwing errors because his footing wasn't right. Why wasn't that handled in the minors by the Pirates AAA team, the team he belonged to? I think the minors in general, not Iowa alone, are to blame.
Anyway, this team makes too many mental mistakes. That's a sign of desperation and frustration. Is Lou the right manager for that situation?
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou is part of the problem
by mgfabc on Jun 22, 2007 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Half come from Iowa
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 22, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd worry about being sellers.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 22, 2007 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as the Cubs deserve criticism...
- How many rundowns have they failed at? 1? 2?
- Again, how many times? 1?
- Who considered the performance a good one?
- Soriano has been solid since moving to left.
- We have adequate defensive replacements (stressing adequate). And Ward has been a decent bat.
- JJ hasn't been bad this year with his throws. He doesn't have a cannon, but has made major improvements in his defense. It's his bat that sucks these days.
- He has nothing left? Quite a bold statement, although I agree he will regress.
- I put the bad lineups on Hendry more than anybody. And there's that mystery involving Soriano being promised the leadoff spot.
- It was his only game at the 2 spot, and he's been swinging a hot bat lately.
- Situational hitting: definitely a problem.
- Agreed. Ramirez's injury and Lee's power outage really hurt the team.
- See 10.
- Rotation hasn't been the problem.
- The bullpen in general is a problem.
- Yep.
- OF? OF defense hasn't been that bad, especially when Pie has been up.
- Definitely.
by thekansasian on Jun 22, 2007 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with your reply...
The real problems seem to have been (in no particular order):
- Highly inconsistent bullpen production and very poor production early from some key guys.
- Bad baserunning early.
- Terrible hitting from the bottom part of the order.
- Terrible hitting from a supposedly decent-hitting regular in Jones.
- Terrible defense from catcher (really the only position at which we've been terrible defensively).
- Inconsistent offense, possibly due to the constantly changing lineups early in the year.
- Injuries.
by SouthernCub on Jun 22, 2007 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Response and some nitpicks...
- Soriano moved to LF like 60 games ago. And prior to that, his defense wasn't great, but it wasn't costing us games (couldn't have - he was there for 12 games!). It was the fact that he wasn't hitting that caused the move to LF.
- Murton only had a handful of games where his defense was costly, again because he only played 20 games in RF.
- I discussed the catching problems (I said they were the big defensive problems).
We have acceptable defenders at nearly every position and some difference makers at some positions (DLee at 1B, Pie in CF, Barrett in a bad way at C). We certainly don't have a ton of gold glovers, but that's not a key reason we're struggling.
by SouthernCub on Jun 22, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
by cubsbak on Jun 22, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
I don't disagree with everything you say. They missed a rundown yesterday but my point is that defense hasn't been solid all year long.
Soriano has been better, but not solid, since he moved to LF. However, I can live with that because he hits a ton.
Sorry, but JJ's throws have been miserable, as always.
Marquis will keep pitching fat balls over the plate.
My point on Fontenot leaving 6 stranded was more to stress how decisions by the manager affect the outcome. Whether it's a bad or good move remains to be seen. I don't like it. Someone else posted a better line-up above.
The rotation has been a problem because the team hasn't had 5 consistent starters all season long. Someone is always on a bad streak. And I don't think Marquis will get out of his funk. I hope I'm wrong.
The bullpen has improved and I suggest that in general, it's no longer a liability, unless we expect no runs from them every night, something impossible.
OF defense has improved since Pie was assigned permanently to CF, Soriano was moved to LF, Murton was sent to Iowa and JJ was benched.
Anyway, you made excellent points. I agree with a lot of them.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid, solid as a ...
"Solid" is not the word I'd use to describe Soriano in LF. How about "ok," "passable" or "average?"
by DrCrawdad on Jun 22, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly Al,
At what point is the superstition just plain crazy? Because you went out to run a few errands the Cubs scored some runs? C'mon man. You are not in third grade. The Cubs and scoring runs has nothing to do with what any of us do. The losing has to do with the fact that right now they are not a good ballclub. I probably shouldn't even post this, but I will. I apologize in advance if you or others don't like the post.
All the best,
ccd
by ccd on Jun 21, 2007 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello ccd...
by Al on Jun 22, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the Cubs stink.....
How else can you explain 99 years of mediocrity? Superstars come here and make stupid mistakes. Highly touted managers come here and can't even get to .500. Owners spend a ton of money and get junk in return.
Stop with all the other excuses....THEY ARE CURSED!!
by ronsanto10 on Jun 22, 2007 5:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's really the Merkler curse (LOL)
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 22, 2007 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very depressing
by qccub on Jun 22, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by ARAM FOR MVP on Jun 22, 2007 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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