An Eventful Day
Wow, where do I start?
How about here: the umpires got it right, regardless of what Ozzie Guillen thought, in the bizarre play in the 8th inning in which, at first, it appeared the White Sox might pull off a wacky triple play, and instead the Cubs wound up with the bases loaded and nobody out.
If you didn't see it, here's what happened: Angel Pagan singled following a Felix Pie walk (and that's hard to do -- before today he'd walked only nine times in over 140 plate appearances), thus putting runners on first and second. Mark DeRosa then hit a ball off the wall in right field, which bounced right back to RF Rob Mackowiak, who fired it to second base, where Pagan was standing just after rounding the base, both runners having held up because they thought the ball might have been caught.
But -- White Sox 2B Tadahito Iguchi (or maybe it was SS Juan Uribe, I wasn't sure) obstructed Pagan, and after two phone calls from Howard, it was explained to me this way:
When a fielder obstructs the runner on whom the play is being made, the play is dead and all runners return to their bases. If the play had been occurring somewhere else on the field at the time of the obstruction, the play would have been live and the White Sox might have had the weirdest triple play in history. Mike & I discussed this after the game and we agreed, neither one of us, over the course of more than 2000 games seen in person apiece, had ever seen anything quite like this before. I don't think the umpires had, either, which is why there was the extensive delay while they figured it out, and then had to explain it in English, Spanish and Japanese to all the parties involved.
Anyway, the Cubs wound up with the bases loaded and nobody out, and I said to Nick and Jesus, the nice Sox fans I've sat near the past several years at the Cell, "The Cubs have blown situations like this within the last week!"
Well, they didn't. A run scored on a fly ball by Koyie Hill, and then Pagan, not satisfied with having had one reprieve, got himself caught in a rundown and this time, actually tagged out, resulting in a player (Hill) having a sacrifice fly, RBI, and no time at bat charged, while hitting into a double play.
All this is a roundabout way of celebrating the Cubs' 3-0 shutout of the White Sox, completing their first-ever sweep at the Cell, winning the season series 5-1, and evening the all-time series at 30 wins apiece. And -- read this carefully, now -- the Cubs finished interleague play this year with the best record of any NL team, 8-4. And with the Brewers' 4-3 loss to the Royals in 11 innings, the Cubs cut a game off Milwaukee's lead today.
I have been flamed here in the past for saying that doing well in Cub/Sox series, particularly sweeping (as the Cubs did at Wrigley Field in 1998) can send that team on to bigger and better things. So I am not going to say that. But I will say this: over the weekend the Cubs got outstanding pitching, both from starters and the bullpen; excellent fielding (including a shoestring catch today by Pagan in CF that Paul Konerko, who hit the ball, moaned about, but it was caught only about 30 feet from where I was sitting. He caught it.), and timely hitting from just about everyone in the lineup, particularly Alfonso Soriano, who homered for the third day in a row, and who also gunned down Luis Terrero trying to score (why do runners do this? Soriano is nearly lights-out throwing people out at the plate) in the fifth, the closest the White Sox came to scoring today.
Keep doing that, and good things WILL happen.
Sean Marshall threw the third straight excellent game by a Cub starter. I assume that he was yanked after only 81 pitches because of either one of these factors: he was on a pitch count, or he told Lou Piniella he was gassed (when the sun finally came out after three days of gloom, it did get pretty hot and sticky). I'm guessing the latter. Marshall had a nice Rich Hill-like curveball working today and threw strikes throughout (54 of 81 pitches), walking only one. The bullpen was quite efficient, although Bob Howry, gathering his second save in two days, made it interesting by bringing the tying run (Mackowiak) to the plate before striking him out to end the game.
And that wasn't all for "eventful". As noted in this BCB diary, former Cub reliever Rod "Shooter" Beck was found dead in his Arizona home today, aged 38. No cause of death has been determined, though it has been said that they don't think foul play is involved. Beck set his career high in saves, 51, for the 1998 Cubs that won the wild card, and he was a key cog in that team and always popular with Cub fans. My condolences to his family.
Remember last May, when the Cubs were 6-20? The White Sox fans can identify. They are 5-17 so far in June (and lost their last five games in May, so they are 5-22 in their last 27 games), and the Sox fans I talked to are resigned to "2009", as Nick put it. Most of them were pretty nice to Cub fans, at least one of whom brought a white "W" flag to the LF bleachers today (no brooms were in evidence, though). I like what the Sox have done to the Cell since I was last there a year ago -- they've replaced all the blue seats with green ones, making the place more "ballpark-like"; in fact, the look now makes the Cell have somewhat of the feel of the old Comiskey, though of course in quite a bit larger structure. I should mention that they haven't replaced all of their blue seats -- they've left two of them, one in left field, one in right, representing, respectively, Paul Konerko's and Scott Podsednik's HR in game 2 of the 2005 World Series, a nice touch.
Someday, I kept thinking, we'll have memories like that for ourselves. Keep hope alive.
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To make up for the lack of brooms

Cubs Sweep Sox! How sweet it is. On to a pretty tough home-stand against the Rockies and Brewers!
by sanantonecub on Jun 24, 2007 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you talked about the Umps getting the whacky play
by miamicanes on Jun 24, 2007 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or at the very least...
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bringing the discussion back to fork in the season
As I looked ahead in another diary Cubs needed to make a move before the All Star break: They play a tough but emotionally spent Rockies team this week, they are much improved and a team with a real offense led by Holliday, Helton, rookie of the year SS Tuteleski(SIC) and Hawpe. Cubs better bring their #2 league starting ERA. Winning this series will be a continued positive move. (15-11 for June and 37-40 overall.
Then comes the weekend series (mid season showdown with the still hot Brewers who almost pulled another one today), with Milwaukee, (who are coming off the Astros at home) followed by a road trip to Washington and Pittsburgh. Simply winning the Brewer series and hopefully and hopefully picking up a game in the standings. Winning that series places the Cubs 39-41 (and 17-12 in June + 1).
Looking ahead Washington will probably be when D-Lee has to take his punishment for responding to a personal epitaph after being beaned, where my hopes we see the Cubs continue in their road victories going 5-2 and going into the break 44-43 and 22-14 since June 1st.
To do this the Cubs must continue to play like today, solid defense, timely hitting and excellent pitching and reducing mental mistakes!
BTW if they reach 44-43, they will still be 5-6 games back, but beginning actually contend.
by Ivy Walls on Jun 24, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Video
by wjblol on Jun 24, 2007 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a broadcaster be fined for saying BS?
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 24, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The FCC
If Comcast Sports Net or the White Sox wanted to fine him, they could. But I seriously doubt they would as they encourage him doing those sorts of things.
by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox should fine him anyway
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Da boat of dem
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 24, 2007 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did he say
by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 24, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Series After the Disaster in Texas
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
by WartburgCub on Jun 24, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Right, 20 Out of 30
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
god do i hate hawk
by cubsluver22 on Jun 24, 2007 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by miamicanes on Jun 24, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My least favorite...
by Ross on Jun 24, 2007 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't bother me much
Like Juan "itchy trigger finger" Uribe could possibly be termed a "good guy."
by Josh77 on Jun 24, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll be sitting in the bleachers tomorrow night.
by teacher tom on Jun 24, 2007 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop by in the LF corner and say hi!
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the play.....
As I got to thinking about this (especially how it seemed to hamstring the Cubs a little that inning-should've been able to get more than one run) the rule bothered me a little. The rule as it is, unfortunately, would appear to give the defensive team one up. Meaning: why not, if ever a guy on 1rst or 2nd, the defense always 'incidently' obstruct the lead runner, thus making him stay at that base rather than potentially advancing to 3rd or to score a run. I'm obviously not advocating this, but given the rule that is brought to light today, it seems a potentially unfair advantage for the defense to prevent that extra base.
that was a weird play....
by LuisSalazar on Jun 24, 2007 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rule
by DenverCub on Jun 24, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So after the obstruction
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would make sense...
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rule...
(a) If a play is being made on the obstructed runner, or if the batter runner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance, without liability to be put out, to the bases they would have reached, in the umpire's judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction. Any preceding runners, forced to advance by the award of bases as the penalty for obstruction, shall advance without liability to be put out. When a play is being made on an obstructed runner, the umpire shall signal obstruction in the same manner that he calls "Time," with both hands overhead. The ball is immediately dead when this signal is given; however, should a thrown ball be in flight before the obstruction is called by the umpire, the runners are to be awarded such bases on wild throws as they would have been awarded had not obstruction occurred. On a play where a runner was trapped between second and third and obstructed by the third baseman going into third base while the throw is in flight from the shortstop, if such throw goes into the dugout the obstructed runner is to be awarded home base. Any other runners on base in this situation would also be awarded two bases from the base they last legally touched before obstruction was called.
(b) If no play is being made on the obstructed runner, the play shall proceed until no further action is possible. The umpire shall then call "Time" and impose such penalties, if any, as in his judgment will nullify the act of obstruction. Under 7.06 (b) when the ball is not dead on obstruction and an obstructed runner advances beyond the base which, in the umpire's judgment, he would have been awarded because of being obstructed, he does so at his own peril and may be tagged out. (Judgment call)
by cubby23 on Jun 24, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I'm Not Sure the Play was Being Made on Pagan
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wouldn't the (b)
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would, yes.
I watched the mlb.com video which has the CSN highlight featuring the Hawk/DJ commentary. Not only were they wrong in what they said, but how they said it made them sound like babies and almost complete idiots. They should be ashamed.
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll second that emotion...
It's not like it was all that clear anyway when the play occured, even to the four umps standing on the field as it took them ten minutes to sort it out.
Hawk's a homer. Ok. But many fans love their homers and the emotions they show.
by DrCrawdad on Jun 24, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santo would be upset.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 24, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Santo would not be screaming that the call was wrong because Santo knows that the umpires know the rule book better than he does. Santo is not full of himself. Santo knows what he doesn't know.
by Josh77 on Jun 25, 2007 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news
He Gone.
by JFCubFan on Jun 25, 2007 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't ever...
If he bothers you (and other Cubbie fans) so much why listen to him at all?
No doubt many of the people complaining about Hawk's comments turned on CSN yesterday just to hear what Hawk had to say.
by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2007 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off
Hawk is just an old airbag that couldn't even keep his language under control. No we don't have to listen to him but it doesn't change the fact that his game calling sucks ass and that he is a waste of money.
I did notice they stopped "puttin em on the board" lately, that is a nice change.
And ya know what Crawdad, why can't you stay out of this? We don't complain when you people make fun of Santo do we? Why not stay at South Side Sox? We'd all be happier.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2007 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still on the board, YES!
And yes the Sox have stopped putting them runs on the board lately. One thing that is still on the board...
2005 World Championship
by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2007 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What have you done for me
by brianp88 on Jun 25, 2007 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY!
by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2007 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Yesteryear
by brianp88 on Jun 25, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh
That is how you work huh? Spew and run. Man, you are a complete wuss. Why don't you choose more appropriate company? You are not wanted here..."Seat's Taken".
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
illinformed? dishonest? which is it?
"That is how you work huh? Spew and run. Man, you are a complete wuss."
You claimed to have read through the game thread. Really? And you say I "spew and run?"
If you had actually read the thread you'd see I posted SIX TIMES AFTER THE ENDED?
So, did you actually read the thread, as you claimed?
Will you candidly admit your mistake and/or admit that you've made up this "spew and run" feces?
Further exposing the stupidity of your argument is that here I am, the day AFTER the game standing up to the profane personal attacks.
Let's see if you merely "spewed and ran." Let's see if you're the "wuss."
by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you pain the gluteus maximus....
You really spend a lot of time trying to make yourself feel better about your shortcomings in life.
I SAY GOOD DAY!
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth hurts
And what did your check show? I posted 6 times in discussion AFTER the game AND then have posted here the day after. Not even close to "posting and running."
Oh, but no don't admit you are wrong, just launch into further personal attacks.
That says much about your character and lack thereof.
Good riddance.
by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay big guy...
I checked again and NO...there were no postes after the game ended.
The next day maybe, but that was not my assertation friend.
You posted and ran as soon as we swept the Sox...can't say I blame you completely, what could you have possibly said?
"That is one protest that will be upheld! That was BS! It was a straight forward play, I don't know what they are looking at!"??
Sorry pal, no postes after the game ended. But yes, good riddance...I hope that means that you find no need to lurk around here any more with your cheap, childish behavior.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 26, 2007 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eyes wide open, "pal"...
HUH? Have you, "pal," actually checked the 6/24/07 Game thread?
Hey, "pal" the game ended at about 4:12PM (as you can tell by reading the posts in the game thread). I then made SIX POSTS AFTER THAT.
And since we're "pals" I'll make it easy for you to find with links.
* 4:18 PM
* 4:31 PM
* 4:31 PM
* 4:38 PM
* 5:50 PM
* 6:42 PM
So, now I've repeated proved your assertion wrong. Will you candidly and frankly admit you were wrong? Or will you merely "spew and run?"
Man or mouse? Which is it?
by DrCrawdad on Jun 27, 2007 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey thanks!
I suppose I missed your annoying, pain in the ass comments further up in the diary.
I suppose I am wrong...about that simple aspect of my assertation.
Here is what I am not wrong about...
You are a troll. You DO spew and run in that, you drop by whenever there is some pointless, annoying, and often obnoxious comment to be made. You visit here only when you THINK you have some point to make with regards to a team that you do not like. I recently saw a Saturday Night Live with a character that always chimed in to "one up" everyone else. She was extremely annoying and I found myself saying aloud to my wife, I really hated that woman. Guess who you are in the sketch.
I am right in saying that you are not welcome here by most, and that this blog would be MUCH better off without your worthless input.
I am right in saying that the White Sox suck shit this season and you most likely come here to talk out of your ass, (and often leave quckly after that) so that you can feel a little better about yourself as a Sox fan, and even more, as a person.
I am right when I say, I have pointlessly wasted too much breath responding to you, as do many others here. You are a wannabe intellectual who offers supposed insight where it is not all that welcome.
Finally, I am right in saying that you are extremely annoying and you should just stick with a Whiote Sox blog where you can commiserate and remain in similar company.
I'd say that was pretty manly to admit where I was wrong. Hopefully you are done here.
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 27, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he spoke words
by gp1966 on Jun 25, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
All I can say when I hear bandwagon fans such as yourself speak the words "2005 Word Champs" is... "oh, that's sad".
1908 baby! Yeah, how do ya like then apples Crawdad?
As long as we're playing that game though, why don't you put 29-42 on the board Hawk?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Herring....
by BeerCub on Jun 25, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree With You
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees Lose! Theeee Yankees Lose!
by sanantonecub on Jun 24, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK... we get the SWEEP!
If we don't play well at home this week, we'll never get within good reach of the Brewers.
Gotta go 55-33(.625) the rest of the way to win 90 games.
59-29 (.670) to win 94.
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What do the Cubs have
by jazzypete on Jun 24, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe
I don't blame Ozzie one bit for getting tossed. He had to, 8th inning, 2-run game and a chance to get out of a jam. He had to argue the call, even if he was wrong.
by cubby23 on Jun 24, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick poll here:
a. Barrett
b. DeRosa
c. Pagan
d. None of the above... it's all Mike Quade's fault
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with A
by wicubfan on Jun 24, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I write in...
Honestly, though, I think the baserunning blunders are pretty well spread around.
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about it
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Was A Great Play at the Plate
by nervousCUBlover on Jun 24, 2007 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also agreed..
by wicubfan on Jun 24, 2007 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple quick observations:
- Brewers are for real.
- Marquis has turned back into the "Bad Marquis". I hope he can find his game again. But really, he truly is a #5 starter and I can see why LaRussa left him off the playoff roster.
- FINALLY, the team played excellent defense for three games in a row! Thank the heavens!
- Beating the Sox, IN THEIR PARK, three straight, is SWEET!
- Angel Pagan studied at the Michael Barrett School of Stupid Baseball Conservatory. What a door-knob!
- Michael Barrett would have CERTAINLY found a way to screw up the throw from Sori. Lose the ball in the dirt, let it pass by him and go all the way to the wall, or some other knuckleheaded thing.
- A HUGE week is coming up!
by TheEman on Jun 24, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We Need to Sweep the Brewers Next Week
Preceded, by a sweep of the Rockies.
This team needs to be capable of a long winning streak.
If we get within 2-3 games of the Brewers, we will put the fear of God into that glorified northern suburb.
by nervousCUBlover on Jun 24, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Festa
My dad is now using his In Dusty We Trusty Tee as a carwash rag.
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
by nervousCUBlover on Jun 24, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are...
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by NTNgod on Jun 24, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Still, 5-4 is good against the Brewers. The Cubs cannot lose this upcoming series; at the VERY least they need to win it, and preferably sweep it.
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"2 out of 3 ain't bad"
Longest Win Streak of:
2006 (4)
2005 (7)
2004 (6)
2003 (6) in early Sep.
2002 (5)
2001 (12)
by cubby23 on Jun 25, 2007 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bad Marquis
We'll need 12 pitchers this week. Look for a major move tomorrow (Jones possibly gone).
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on your heels...
I will MISS HIM <jumps up and down>.
Hope he recaptures early success like the Pirates game.
by TheEman on Jun 24, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew they were gonna regret
And of course... the $21 mil they gave him.
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
It actually is having a rennaissance of sorts if you can believe it.
Gentrification in warehouse areas, etc.
But STILL the #2 OBESE state in the U.S.!
by TheEman on Jun 24, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Average opponent current record for rest of season
33.965909 - 39.465909
by John Q Freejazz on Jun 24, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about the Brewers?
by SackMan on Jun 24, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remaining schedule
Entering Friday at least, the Cub opponent win% was .468, the Brewers .462.
The Brewers don't play themselves, obviously, so that probably accounts for the bulk of the difference.
by NTNgod on Jun 24, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably worse
by tharr on Jun 24, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs vs. Brewers
Brewers are 2-1 in Wrigley this season.
(5-4 Cubs, overall)
by NTNgod on Jun 24, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, the umpires got it
7.06(a)--The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction. Any preceding runners, forced to advance by the award of bases as the penalty for obstruction, shall advance without liability to be put out.
How do I know for sure? I umpired baseball for over 20 years and saw plays like this on a regular basis. I got to know 7.06 really well.
by davewillie on Jun 24, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But had Pagan
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to see the replay to be sure...
In any case the Cubs did score a run and might have had more if Pagan hadn't decided to tempt fate a second time, and gotten caught in the rundown after Hill's sac fly.
by Al on Jun 24, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sounded more correct to me....
Still confusing though....
by LuisSalazar on Jun 24, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie was NOT..
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Quade got caught up in the play at 2B
by LuisSalazar on Jun 24, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe should have...
It's hard to tell if Pie just waited way too long at 2nd to see if Mackowiak would catch it or if it was just such a bang-bang play from bouncing fair to Mackowiak getting it back to the infield. But for whatever reason, Pie wasn't even to 3rd base by the time Mackowiak was relaying it into the infield.
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie tagged
It seemed to me that Quade should have seen pagan given his good sightline and resent Pie home. That would have allowed Pagan to get to 3rd and DeRosa to 2nd. Pie would probably have been out at home, but at least it would have avoided the congestion on the bases. It also would have forced the Sox to actually make the play on a fast runner who wasn't between fielders.
by tharr on Jun 24, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pagan was obstructed...
The fortunate thing is that the obstruction actually saved us. Pagan was heading for third regardless, not paying attention to the fact that Pie had been held up at third (he had tagged up, and didn't break for third until after the ball reached the wall). If there's no obstruction, Pagan is still caught in the rundown, and the disaster situation still occurs. Luckily, the obstruction bailed Pagan (and subsequently DeRosa and Pie) from their collective brain farts.
After watching the play again, I think I'm going to absolve Quade of any of my blame: Pie was only half way to third when the ball was being relayed back into the infield. He got such a late start by tagging up at second, and Mackowiak got the ball so quickly and relayed so fast, that it'd have been pretty close at home.
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rule...
by coral on Jun 24, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would make sense...
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
video available
by coral on Jun 24, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone catch
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And not the least bit surprising...
by SouthernCub on Jun 24, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any links to this blowup?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 24, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That final series with the Brewers
phat
by phatass on Jun 24, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too true
by gary varsho on Jun 24, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday'squeeze play could be a turning point .
by ksreed on Jun 24, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didin't have time to read all posts but
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 24, 2007 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It Seemed That Way
by markleonette on Jun 24, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's keep
by sue369 on Jun 24, 2007 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawk
By the way, it really is too bad that they're terrible because, as a baseball fan, I might actually watch Sux games now and then if it weren't so painful to hear.
by RynoHoF on Jun 24, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In Houston
by tharr on Jun 24, 2007 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what the MLB.TV broadcast was
by John Q Freejazz on Jun 24, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else hurting over the loss of The Shooter?
by hoppy91 on Jun 24, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not
First the Cubs pitching looked very good against a very bad team. They are currently four under. Nothing to write home about. But something tells me (gut feeling, remember that) once they hit .500 no looking back.
So have the changes been made well enough to propel this team upwards? I hope so. If they keep it up, than I know so.
by wild bill on Jun 24, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
Question is: Is this team playing solid baseball?
I do not have the luxury of watching many games. I might be able to catch them on the radio, and yes Santo is painful. And I will read about them. But not seeing them, I miss the whole story. From what I can determine lately is that they are.
Anyone's thoughts?
by wild bill on Jun 24, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrelson.....
by BeerCub on Jun 24, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawk and DJ
"Likewise,
I feel like I actually gain baseball knowledge by listening to those guys. Hawk and DJ, on the other hand... Hawk can be entertaining, but I feel like someone slipped me a roofie and clubbed me in the head with a mailbox after listening to him call a game. I'm not even gonna start with DJ. He has less personality than Tim Duncan."
No Kidding!!!
by cubsnlinux on Jun 24, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations to the Beavers
Back-to-Back Titles for the team from Corvallis.
by sanantonecub on Jun 24, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
by TheEman on Jun 24, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came home from church today...
My jaw is on the ground. We played EXCELLENT baseball for 3 games in a row! Pitching, Hitting, Fielding, and besides Pagan's Moises Alou impression - Baserunning were all great. If they can keep this up for another couple series and go 8-2 or so, we might actually have some hope of playing meaningful games in September. As of now, I'm smiling. The Rockies, however, bring a pause to my enthusiasm. They're a good team that can beat you lots of different ways. The best fielding team in the NL, and no easy outs in the lineup. My fingers are crossed.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone
by Bardusk87 on Jun 24, 2007 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is like listening to...
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 24, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
check this out
by CZ38 on Jun 24, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an idiot!!!
by RynoHoF on Jun 24, 2007 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
I take the point an earlier poster made, that, had the roles been reversed, Ronnie would have had a fit. Nonetheless, both the Sox announcers ought to be ashamed and won't be.
Go Cubs!
by moldy on Jun 24, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'No Clue' is right !
Not to make excuses for these incompetent jerks, but the (Cubs)WGN camera work was far superior to the (Sox) CSN.
WGN had a high camera directly covering 2nd so that the collision was clearly seen, was replayed many times and was the focus of Len & Bob's comments & discussion. On CSN, the collision was only covered by a field level 3rd base camera and appeared in the background as the camera focused on Pie nearing 3rd.
Someone with the station should have tipped off hawk & dj. Instead they just rambled on about how the umps, being down on the field, hadn't seen what had happened. Wow!
by slide on Jun 25, 2007 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite line from Hawk:
I am choking on my own rage after what I have just listened to - how can a professional announcer, WHO played organized baseball, be that obtuse?
I criticize Len quite a bit, but at least he took the time and effort to try and figure out what was going on - and, he did a fine job of explaining it afterwards.
"Hawk, you are a pompous fool and I have pity on anyone that has to deal with you on a day to day basis."
by ilovepie on Jun 24, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What basically happened......
-Basically what went down was that Harrelson(and his partner) totally missed Pagan & Uribe colliding and were under the impression that the play was still live and the SUX were in line for a triple play. He's all excited at this point and gives off one of his contrived "Mercy!" calls right after Pie gets tagged out.
-After this the umps start having their pow-wow and the runners go back to their bases......still oblivious to the collision.....Harrelson starts whining about how in all his years in the game he's never seen anything like this, and at this point he's in full on cry mode......pretty much crying every two seconds for 4 minutes "This is BS!" Then he goes so far as to say that "Dadgummit.....this game will definitley be played under protest" because, you know.....its not like the SUX weren't being shut out at that point.
-So play resumes and Pagan starts acting like a chicken with his head cut off on the bases and then he says "Just go back to 2nd, they'll find a way to call you safe"
Finally from what I can gather someone explained the rule to him between innings and he then started whining about how the umpire @ 2nd should have raised his hand to signify the play being called dead, which I thought I saw in the replay on GM.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 24, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWO Umpires.....
What floors is is either no one pointed out to then the two players collided, or these two conveniently decided to ignore it, homers that they are. There aren't enough words to register my disgust with Harrelson, Fire his ass, get him out of baseball and take his toady Jackson with him.
by BeerCub on Jun 24, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really the thing about......
I'm telling you though, when they start "Hawk talking" I just want to knock their teeth out of their mouth......and by nature I'm not a violent person. I just can't take it.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 24, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tee-Hee....
The TV guys have more access to replays, etc. They know that could be eating crow.
by coral on Jun 24, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trib article explains the ruling
Very funny quote in there:
Pagan said he knew immediately that Uribe kept him from rounding second base and that it was obstruction.
"I talked to [Uribe] and I said, 'What are you doing on the bag?' " Pagan said. "He said, 'Man, you were flying.' "
by roscoevillage on Jun 24, 2007 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would it take to get Santana?
Seriously, how awesome would he be to have? Z, Santana, Hill, and take your pick from Lily, Marshall and Marquis.
by Arbusto on Jun 24, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing
All the players that the Cubs have that might be of enough value to get Santana make too much money and the Twins wouldn't be interested in.
Felix Pie would be a start, but not nearly enough.
by Josh77 on Jun 25, 2007 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, psh.
by cwyers on Jun 25, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wha?
by bergs55 on Jun 24, 2007 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we trade some dogs from Portillo's
by sanantonecub on Jun 24, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great weekend,
I have the MLB package and it seems when the White Sox are on, I always get the Sox announcers. Hawk is tough to take even when they are not playing the Cubs. His arrogance seeps through the TV. Can't listen to the guy.
Would anybody trade Dye for Jones?, I would, Cubs would have to add someone for sure, maybe throw in Cotts, LOL
Lets play good ball at home!!
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jun 24, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to swap
by tharr on Jun 24, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet another trade propasal
by ryan797 on Jun 24, 2007 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You just listed
by tharr on Jun 24, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones...
I agree w/the above - THINK!
You are assuming that John Schuerholz, probably baseball's best GM, is going to trade Andruw Jones for our complete, worthless, garbage baseball player??
Are you freaking ten-years old!
THINK BEFORE YOU ACT, please.
by TheEman on Jun 24, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones!
by Mr Snrub on Jun 25, 2007 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was an....
by Bardusk87 on Jun 24, 2007 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love Griffey
by tharr on Jun 24, 2007 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see no need for Griffey or his contract
A platoon of Floyd and Pagan is fine. A platoon of Floyd and say a "Willie Mo Pena" wouldn't be bad either... and at a much lower price.
by SackMan on Jun 25, 2007 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long is Griffey
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jun 24, 2007 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been gone for the weekend
I'm surprised but I didn't see many comments on Ramirez. It doesn't look ready to play the field to me. Looks like PH duty for the Colorado series. I wonder if this will a season long problem.
by rlpete on Jun 25, 2007 6:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ramirez
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2007 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's hoping
the best part of the trib story about the wild baserunning play was that joey cora (watch your ankles!) came out to file a protest after they ran guillen, was asked what rule he was protesting under, and cora told the umpire he didn't even know what happened. don baylor would be proud.
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2007 7:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on Mike & Mike
has anyone else heard about sullivan calling out barrett as the clubhouse snitch? apparently, someone has been leaking the locker room drama to buster olney all year and after the players only meeting, someone in the meeting called him and made it seem as if the meeting was a lou-bashing session. cliff floyd got wind of that and he was apparently really hot about someone leaking the details fot he meeting. so sullivan was on the score last week and said barrett was the snitch and that was part of why he was traded, because he'd lost the trust of his teammates. thoughts?
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2007 7:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
by cubsbak on Jun 25, 2007 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
by SouthernCub on Jun 25, 2007 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
marshall
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2007 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're suggesting the Cubs give
I disagree. This isn't a nursery school, it's a baseball team. Jones is a professional and he understands this is a business. And if his feelings are hurt, too damn bad. The Cubs need to do what's best for the Cubs.
by cubsbak on Jun 25, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it good for the cubs
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
by gary varsho on Jun 25, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old news...
This is old news now.
Management traced these "leaks" to Barrett.
It has been reported by several local stations and papers since the trade. Saturday, on the flagship "Sports Central" afternoon show post-game, it was mentioned again by Jim Memelo, the co-host.
by TheEman on Jun 25, 2007 8:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great series!
by cubsbak on Jun 25, 2007 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors are going around
by Chanman25 on Jun 25, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
triple play?
by lohroffc on Jun 25, 2007 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right.
by Al on Jun 25, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubbies!
by ATSH2H on Jun 25, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to see a clip so badly
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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