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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Braves, Thursday 6/7, 6:35 CT

I'm posting this game thread early this afternoon because in a couple of hours, I'll be getting on a plane and heading to Atlanta. I won't make it in time for tonight's game, but I will be at the Ted for the rest of the series. I know quite a number of you will be there -- if you are going, please email me using the link on the right sidebar so we can meet up at the game.

Rematch time! This pitching matchup is the same as last Saturday's at Wrigley Field. I thank the teams for saving me editing time.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Rich Hill
 R. Hill
Cubs
vs. Chuck James
 C. James
Braves
4-4 W-L 5-4
2.89 ERA 3.78
63 SO 51
24 BB 28
10 HR 9
vs. Atl -- vs. Cubs
Here's the boxscore from the matchup between Hill and James last Saturday. Hill threw well in a losing effort.

Note: I have had several requests that, if possible, I add the NL Central standings to the sidebar. Ask and you shall receive (well, most of the time, if I can do it, anyway). Hope you like it.

Finally today, I have good news to report regarding Howard and his cowbell, "banned" from the bleachers on Sunday. Due to the efforts of several season ticket holders who contacted Paul Rathje, director of stadium operations, Howard can bring -- and ring -- his cowbell any time.

Today's game is local-cable only: CSN and Sports South. It'll be on EI and at the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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That's awesome
in regards to the cowbell being allowed back into the bleachers

by DTJchris on Jun 7, 2007 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

3 of 4 would be great....
but I won't be disappointed if we split (especially w/ Hudson & Smoltz waiting for us on the weekend).  

Losing 3 of 4 would be disastrous.

I'll be a believer once we beat Capuano

by cubbie08 on Jun 7, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

nice work...
i like the standings on the sidebar. a nice touch indeed.

a new question, however...is there a reason why the posting times on the board are off by an hour?

by bobby h on Jun 7, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

The posting
times are in the central time zone. If you're in the east or mountain it will be off an hour.
It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm in central
but everything still shows as being off by an hour... all my posts show an hour ahead of when the actually are.

by bobby h on Jun 7, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

nevermind...
i fixed it... my profile was set for eastern, so it was showing the times an hour ahead, but still listing the time zone as central...

...i'm an idiot. guess i just never switched that when i moved.

by bobby h on Jun 7, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bravo.......
to those who helped influence Mr. Rathje! Following through on the threat to "ban the bell" would have been absolutely ridiculous.

by cubrandy on Jun 7, 2007 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Hope you make it out of Chicago tonight
I understand that there is a major storm heading your way.

by JFCubFan on Jun 7, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

That's great for Howard
The whole idea of taking away the bell was ridiculous. I'm glad someone could see through the rules to make an appropriate exception.

by vegascubsfan on Jun 7, 2007 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

If the banned the cowbell
the bleachers should be able to ban he-who-shall-no-be named as compensation.

That would be worth it right?

One of Us!One Of Us!

by HerrProf on Jun 7, 2007 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

do you think the bleachers
will "ban the bra" next?
Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jun 7, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

YAY for Howard!!
That was just silly to take away the cowbell in the first place.

Have a god trip Al and hope you bring the Cubs luck.

Good luck tonight Rich Hill.

GO CUBS!!!

It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Am I crazy or too optimistic?
But I've got a pretty good vibe coming from the Cubs lately.  Winning 3 of 4, the draft today, I don't know.  I'm feeling pretty good.  Let's keep it up tonight, of course, I might be setting myself up for disappointment.  
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

by eamuscatuli1881 on Jun 7, 2007 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

El Gato
It's all about the El Gato factor.  He brings that good vibe.  Pie needs to play against lefties too.  Let' hope he starts tonight against Chuck James.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jun 7, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie
not only has terrible numbers vs LHP, he's looked totally overmatched. Sit him and allow Pagan to play. Why put Pie in a position to fail when there are better alternatives?
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on Jun 7, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the former
Yeah, you're crazy and more optimistic than our history warrants. But so am I, and so are most of the others here. You pretty much have to be in Cub land right?

by BJ on Jun 7, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also optimistic
There is too much talent on this team not to be. It's a matter of putting the player pieces together and finishing the lineup puzzle. I absolutely believe that Soriano and Pie at 1 and 2 in the lineup is the key to the solution. Everything will fall in line naturally after them.
Felix!

by Matt Allison on Jun 7, 2007 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be there tonight
and probaly at least 2 of the 4 games.  i feel like my timing in being atlanta couldn't be better.  for some reason i truly believe this will be one of the defining series of the early season.  

"let's reeeaaally try to win one today boys"

  ---name the movie, earn points

by lilkimmer77 on Jun 7, 2007 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Drop me an email...
... and we can meet up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 7, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like losing Ramirez...
...unless we get someone to take playing time away from Cesar. DeRosa's bat is fine as a subin at third for a while; Cesar worries me frightfully. E-Pat, Fontenot or Cedeno -- there's arguements for and against all of them, but if A-Ram is out for longer than this series, I want one of them up on the Cubs soon.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Me neither, BUT
good teams (and the jury is still out if we are in fact one of them) find a way to win without important players.  this will be a nice test against a good braves team

by lilkimmer77 on Jun 7, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell with "important"...
...this is a simple function of roster management. The Cubs have five infielders: Lee, DeRosa, Theriot, Izturis, Ramirez. If you have to make an infield subsitituion with Ramirez unavailable, your options are:

  • Soriano to 2B.
  • Barrett/Floyd/Murton to 3B.

For one, two, three games? I can live with that. Maybe. For a week? 10 days? No way. Especially since Izturis plays the most defensively challenging position out there and is a loudly beeping time bomb of an injury risk.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm leaning toward E-Pat
2nd: E-Pat
SS: Theriot
3B: DeRosa

Or we could just put Vitters at 3rd. jk

by vegascubsfan on Jun 7, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

we'd be fast
Soriano
E-Pat
Pie

that's a lot of speed.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 7, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes
Any chance Pagan could come in as a late-inning replacement in right?  That'd be an insanely fast lineup.

by John Q Freejazz on Jun 7, 2007 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have E-Pat on the team.
Of course, I don't think I've ever kept this a secret. But it'd have to be the same deal as with Pie this time around: you get to play. Keep the pressure off them, let them excel. I think they could really jumpstart this team, ESPECIALLY if this pushes Theriot to be the regular at short.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The arguement against Fontenot...
...is that he's scalding cold in June, putting up a line of .190/.261/.286 this month. I don't know if I like that arguement, but I'll conceed that it's something to think about.

But, since our team is devoted to the idea that we need 12 pitchers, 6 outfielders, and two catchers, we have very few options if we need to make an infield substitution, so we need someone. If we're going to be devoted to Izturis getting playing time, Fontenot is the best choice -- hard to retard the development of a guy you've already written off.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably won't be able to watch the game tonight
weather forecasting tornadoes all over up here tonight.  Unless I can move the TV to the basement, hmm... now, THAT'S a thought!
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

by eamuscatuli1881 on Jun 7, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

if miller is wrigley north, ted is wrigley south
i was there for game five in 2003 - bought tickets on ticketmaster a few days before just a few rows up from the field - and found myself surrounded by good guys. they said it was cheaper to fly to ATL and stay overnight than it was to get tickets at wrigley. maybe it's apathy in atlanta, or just that blazing heat (expect upper 90's this weekend), but braves fans show no support for an organization that regularly puts quality teams on the field.

by carolinacubbie on Jun 7, 2007 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Well it can get old you know...
winning your division every year for 13 years. Playoffs again? Yawn.

I wonder what its like to feel like that. My very soul aches to know.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 7, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a good feeling too...
If we can avoid: giving up 20 hits, brawls (both planned and unplanned), and uselessly getting thrown out at third base...and I think they can...I hope...
"It's a pier 9 brawl!..."

by rrobinson on Jun 7, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

You are Correct Sir!
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Jun 7, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.
Heading to Atlanta, I was already on Eastern time. I fixed it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 7, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not today.
Tomorrow.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jun 7, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow Al.
I hate you. Well I'm really just jealous. I wish I could go to Atlanta and watch the games.

I hope you get out of the airport. It sounds pretty bad.

Go Richard!

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Jun 7, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Schilling just lost...
a no-hitter after 8 2/3 innings.  Ouch.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Lineups
Cubs
Soriano, LF
Pie, CF
Lee, 1B
Murton, RF
Barrett, C
DeRosa, 3B
Theriot, 2B
Izturis, SS
Hill, P

Braves
Johnson, 2B
Escobar, 3B
Renteria, SS
A. Jones, CF
Francoeuer, RF
Diaz, LF
McCann, C
Thorman, 1B
James, P

by Bruce Miles on Jun 7, 2007 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't say any of this suprises me.
Any idea if we'll hear more about A-Ram tonight, Bruce?

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

No surprises
I'm still hoping to see E-Pat get a chance soon

by vegascubsfan on Jun 7, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patella tendinitis
Case said to be "severe." He could pinch hit this weekend but they'd rather re-evaluate Monday. With bad weather in Chicago, it's doubtful he'd get here tonight. He'll arrive in Atlanta tomorrow.

by Bruce Miles on Jun 7, 2007 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

...eww.
Don't like the sounds of that at all. Nice if he can pinch-hit, but doesn't help the dearth of infield options any. If they don't want to put Ramirez on the DL, I'd say send down one of Murton/Pagan for an infielder until such time as either Aram goes on the DL (where they could call up anyone they want, regardless of the 15-day "churning" rule) or they get him healthy again.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should add...
...thanks a lot for doing this, Bruce.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is usually a basketball injury
but it is related to players that have had previous quad injuries like Ramirez.  If you watch Ramirez hit, he really torques his front leg, and I'll bet this contributes to his problem.

Load him up with anti-inflamatory medication, give him the weekend off and see how he is.  If they want to get aggressive, they could give him a cortisone shot or two as well.  In general, I would bet Ramirez has to work a little harder to keep his legs in better shape.

"I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the right ones" Herb Brooks - 1980 USA Hockey Team

by MPH73 on Jun 7, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

What to watch, what to watch?
I'll have the Cubs game on mlb.tv but the TV will be tuned to ABC to watch Game 1 of the NBA Finals - Go Spurs Go!
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 7, 2007 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Gee
You're a Spurs fan?  From your user name, I never would have guessed.
"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on Jun 7, 2007 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope
the Spurs win too.
It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best news I have heard all day...
More Cowbell!!

Great work AL!

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jun 7, 2007 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I've got a fever!
and the only cure......is more cowbell!

by cubrandy on Jun 7, 2007 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I put my pants on the same as everyone else...
...except when I have them on, I make gold records.

by vegascubsfan on Jun 7, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

now let me ask you
would you rather be the top scientist in your field or get mad cow?

by Chanman25 on Jun 7, 2007 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Extra infielder
Lou just told Ron that his first backup infielder tonight is Koyie Hill, who can play a little 2B and 3B, then Soriano.  Said he might need to get another infielder up in a day or two if Aramis's knee strain lingers.

by JohnM on Jun 7, 2007 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

And in desperation...
...I'm sure Jason Marquis would be available to play some infield.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Extra Infielder
I think I'd rather see Hendry put the Trammel Train on the Active Roster for tonight!

by cubrandy on Jun 7, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

re: Extra Infielder
Heck yeah! Fire up the Trammell Train!
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a bad feeling I am getting hosed on MLB EI
tonight... Nashville will get blacked out since we are in the Braves area- but Sportsouth is not available on my cable. The Braves and Reds always get us.....

by LT on Jun 7, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Just move Soriano to 2b and DeRosa to 3b
and start Murton in left.  Even Murton's better than Izturis.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 7, 2007 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano hasn't taken infield practice
in a LONG time. And Murton's already in the lineup. Is Jones better than Izturis against a lefty? I don't know about that. I honestly don't. Especially if you factor in the difference between infield defense for Soriano RIGHT NOW and Izturis -- even if you take the least charitable assesement of Izturis as a defensive liability, which I'm coming around to.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

And in the time it takes me...
...to deliver the ultimate insult to Jones (that he's not any more offensively useful than Izturis), Soriano and Pie collaborate to put us ahead at the top of the frame. I think Soriano is shutting up a LOT of his detractors right now, and Pie is definately a fixture.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Floyd in rf
or is he hurt again?
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 7, 2007 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Floyd is about...
...as good as he can be. But Murton is in RF against the lefty.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that was more in response to...
...my comparison of Jones and Izturis offensively, than questioning Murton. Even though I handled the response pretty much the other way.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's...
...a point this season where Cliff Floyd has really been healthy, and his career platoon splits against lefties aren't exceptional. He's better than Jones, to be sure, and I think he's probably the best right field option on the team currently, but against a lefty I think Murton has to start.

And I don't think putting Soriano at second is a good idea, as much as I'd like to see Cesar out of the lineup.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?
my lineup would be lee @ 1b, sori @2b, Theriot @ ss, Derosa @ 3b, murton in LF, Pie in CF and floyd in rf...  
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 7, 2007 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I responded...
...by saying that Soriano at second scares me. The last time Lou put him out there, he spent the inning praying that nobody would hit the ball to him. Literally. He said as much in the postgame. Leave him where he's comfortable and let him produce.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactamundo.
Soriano at second is only slightly less scary than Barrett at shortstop.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm generally willing...
...to trade offense for defense. I'd be more worried about untracking Soriano offensively.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know it dude!
These two guys together are gonna help the Cubs win a lot of games in the coming years.
Felix!

by Matt Allison on Jun 7, 2007 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Pie RBI
and against a left-hander too.  Nice to see.

by Josh Timmers on Jun 7, 2007 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Gameday
The 2006 version link above is to last night's game.  ANybody know the correct link?  

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Help!
Please!  I hate the 2007 version.

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

bULLSHIT!
Gameday had that well outside

by Jerry Mumphrey on Jun 7, 2007 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Murton...
...got squeezed by the ump there. Either that or he's just trash that doesn't belong on a majore league roster. Take your pick.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

BlueMike, could you weigh in here?
I don't think you've addressed this topic before.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh god
How bad is Aramis?  I turn on the tv and there talking about replacements???
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

and gameday just called
that Barret's ball was right down the middle of the plate

by Chanman25 on Jun 7, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Looked above the waist...
So, y'know. He must not have gotten the notice about calling a "rulebook" K zone.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Jun 7, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barrett volunteered to play short if necessary!
Oh wow. Somebody help me up off the floor when I'm done laughing.

Ok, now that that's over with... he's more offensively useful than Izturis, at least. And his batting line doesn't look nearly as bad at short...

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

gotta love
the extra base hits that sori and pie produce at the top of the order...
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 7, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice start
for Hill.
It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Al, a quick note
The 2006 Gameday link went to yesterdays game.
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 7, 2007 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

FYI for everyone else
We're being treated to the "fancy" 2007 Gameday with pitch tracks.
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 7, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 Minutes ago
I posted this and everyone's ignoring me :(

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry
I noticed your post of course right after I hit "post"
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 7, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blame
I don't blame you, I blame everyone else!

Arbusto cry now.  

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know
how to change it. Sorry. Try emailing Al.He might be checking his emails soon and can change it.
It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!
It's much smoother and faster.  Far less cluttered.  It doesn't get stuck 2 batters behind.

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off
I clicked the little option to turn these off and they're still running.

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Izturis!!
He's getting hot!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 7, 2007 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

or lucky
It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're rockin'!
Good to see Alf crowd that plate too.
Felix!

by Matt Allison on Jun 7, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

2-0 Cubbies
Keep Al in the friendly skies more often!
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 7, 2007 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Uh oh...
...I hope we don't see "Home Run Hill" again.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Hill's at bat
He did strike out but took 6 pitches to do it.

I see a better Cubs approach at the plate.

6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe...
...Franceour swung at that.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

This game will be decided
by the pens. Yikes!

Hill already at 30+ pitches

6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I will confess...
...that there's a voice in the back of my mind that looks at that and starts thinking whisfully of the idea of Gallagher as our long reliever.

What? I get too attatched to the notion of Cubs prospects? Yeah, I hear that sometimes.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that
and I don't fall in love with them...much.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Short Inning
Nearly.  Hadn't used many pitches for the first two outs and then the walk.  Why the walk?

by Arbusto on Jun 7, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

sympathy?
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He needs a "pickmeup"...
...per Len and Bob.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braves line up
I have never heard of any of these guys.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

don't start that crap
walking people is not good. Pitches looked close though.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

good job!
We'll see how Hill handles Jones next time.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Guzman out at least two weeks
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow.
That looked like a gapper for sure. Good catch by Jones.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

C Izzy needs to step up
He's...not good.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

He's not a "strong hitter."
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough inning
If hill gets through this one he's be rolling.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Hill's breaking stuff...
...is looking better.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

If only we had a guy like...
...Cesar Izturis with some range, we would've had that ball.

Oh. Wait.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm still waiting...
for Izturis to make a defensive play that warrants him ever seeing the playing field.  Something tells me I'm going to be waiting a long long time (or at least until the offseason when he's let go).

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: I'm still waiting...
I've seen him make a couple somewhat spectactular plays but, then again, I've seen Ronnie Cedeno make a few somewhat spectacular plays, too.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

dp
Here we go
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

NICE!!!!
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it just GameDay's pitch display
or is the umpire being really, really random?

by AlaskaFan on Jun 7, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW...
the radio guys sound as though he's missed a few calls.  But again, take that for what it's worth.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: Is it just GameDay's pitch display
I wouldn't put too much faith in Gameday's pitch display. A game or two ago, I saw it clearly showing that DLee had taken four balls and yet somehow he didn't have a walk.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to add some this inning.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Fonz and Felix
Lets see it.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Can the Cubs stop...
...hitting the ball to centerfield, please?
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

wow, great inning
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Hill at 68 pitches
Not to bad.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

D Lee needs to get out of the funk
He's pressing for sure. I wonder if it's personal?
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Man
the Braves defense is good.  Unbelievably good.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Jun 7, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Mike Kincaide...
...just stole home in the I-Cubs game.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweet!
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon Pie...
...make them pay.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen
Amen brother...Amen....

(God I love Felix....seriously, I'm excited he's on our team...first time I've felt that way about a Cubs position player since....well, Jerome Walton, briefly.)

by Chadnudj on Jun 7, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh gahd...bad call
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I know I'm biased
but we sure seem to get a lot of those.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Jun 7, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: I know I'm biased
Yeah, I  know what you mean. I was referring to strike two against Felix, which was shoulder high, but he was probably safe at first, too.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Felix
was clearly out at first if that's what you're referring to.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: Felix
OK, fine. Strike two was still BS.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again
their defense!!!
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Jun 7, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Murton
Can someone please tell me what he brings to this team? Why isn't Floyd getting more playing time? LHP or not, Murton's still awful defensively and an automatic out at the plate.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

With his speed...
...Floyd wouldn't have been anywhere near that ball.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

True
But he can at least hit.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not against LHP he can't...
look at his 3-year splits versus LHP.

It sucks, but Murton is definitely the best option of the Jones/Floyd/Murton platoon against LHP.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: Murton
Well, I don't think Floyd would have caught that ball either. And I wouldn't say Murton is an automatic out, though he's obviously in a pretty bad slump right now.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Floyd...
would not have come close to making that play.  If Murton laid out instead of sliding he could have made that play.  I guess that's what we get with a mediocre left fielder in right field.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Floyd...
is actually worse versus LHP than Murton has been this year (which is the worst Murton has been).  He just doesn't hit LHP at all.  And defensively he's no better than Murton.  Don't think for a second Floyd is anywhere near that ball.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rich...
has dropped down a lot more than he usually does tonight.  I wonder why.  And it's great hearing Braves' announcers salivate over his performance.  Rock on Mr. Hill.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

And while everybody bitches...
Murton goes 1-3 with a walk. In case you're scoring at home, that's not a bad night.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps
I was a bit harsh, but there's no doubting he's in a slump. I'm not really down on Murton (.263) as much as I'm big on Floyd (.309). Also, putting big red in the cleanup spot as some kind of "confidence boost" boggles the mind.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It comes down to the platoon split.
Floyd is worse that Murton against lefties, and has been his whole career.

And I prefer both of them to Jones by a mile.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now
there's something we can all agree with.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly
it's not like Floyd is going to suddenly figure out how to hit LHP at this point in his career.  He's an ideal platoon player.  Murton isn't great, but he hits LHP better than either Floyd or Jones.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's his numbers again?
Neifi had a hit and a walk in a game too...

by LT on Jun 7, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neifi got more playing time than Murton
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton really has no spot on this team
With Soriano signed for years and big bucks he is obsolete. He does not have the arm for RF...Floyd and Pagan should be handling RF most of the time unless they trade for something better.

by LT on Jun 7, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton's had a single and a walk tonight.
Not great, but not an automatic out.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Michael Barrett on the other hand...
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously,
how does anyone beat this fucking team with this defense.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Jun 7, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Ughh.
Barrett has completely lost his bat.  While gamecast had the called strike three inside by a fair amount, you gotta protect.

And as I'm typing this, another hard hit ball to the outfield but within grasp of their D.  Rich never gets good run support.

2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Barrett is captain double play....
a 2007 version of Joe Girardi
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jun 7, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Hill
a phenomenal pitching outing tonight. Do you think he will be pitching Sunday against the Padres (June 17th)?

by Chanman25 on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Hill brilliant
n/t
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

What a performance by Hill
Give it up for Filthy Rich!
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

108 pitches through 8 IP...
I say we bring in Dempster, but there's no doubting Hill wants the CG.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Or not.
Forgot he was due up here in the 9th. Big, big, big save opportunity for Dempster if we don't tack it on big time in the top half.
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep Hill In
It looks like he's just playing catch out there.  

by NO100 on Jun 7, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Idunno...
I'm not excited about Hill facing Jones again, especially at about 115+ pitches.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time for the CG....
dont tempt fate by going to the bullpen!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jun 7, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Demp is warming up...
...looks like Hill is done.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

hmmmm....not sure I like that
n/t
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jun 7, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You want Floyd?
You got him. (Pinch hitting.)
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL
I trust you're not watching the game, chanman.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as you want Rich...
to finish it, you have to have faith in your closer.  Dempster needs to be able to come in in situations like this and finish them off.  If he's not capable of that, this team doesn't have a chance.  As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with this move.

Knock on wood, and let's go Demps.

2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly...
Hill is at 108 pitches.  You don't send a guy out with that kind of pitch count to face the 2, 3, and 4 hitters.

This is Dempster's job.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here we go
Grab your jockstraps (real and figurative).
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay
This is Dempster's chance to polish off a great pitching performance. Throw some strikes and keep the bases empty!
"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Make quick work Demp
Time to earn it!!!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Why bring in Dempster here?
Did Hill say he was done?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Jun 7, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you want him...
facing Jones at about 115 or so pitches?

You don't leave a starter in at this point with the big bopper coming up.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he is the closer?
I am guessing you posted this so you can say I told you so if he blows it. But Hill has throw too many pitches and he has been thru the lineup multiple times...

by LT on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't be
I believe.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Demp is the right move.
This is his job.

One more...

"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

1 more out to go!
get it done!! lock up a 1 run game!

by Chanman25 on Jun 7, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Walk jones?
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

No...
don't bring the winning run to the plate.

by SouthernCub on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love being wrong!
Way to go Hill and Demp!!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jun 7, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

YEAH!!!
CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs win!!
2-1, a rare one run win!! way to go Hill, Demp, and Pie!

by Chanman25 on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

YEAH!!
CUBS WIN!

That was one maddening 1-2-3 inning.

"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I lost power...
...in the middle of it.

Nice to get the W, though.

by cwyers on Jun 7, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.
Good move Lou.  Great game Rich.  Well done Demps.  Time to celebrate.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Slap me on the butt and call me Betty!
Demp with a 1-2-3 save.

This was an awesome win!

by lancaster99 on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Game
a one run win.

Chalk it up guy's good win all the way around.

6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Another nice
win for the Cubs.
It's hard being a Cubs fan day in and day out.

by sue369 on Jun 7, 2007 8:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Wins like that...
...are harder to sit through. But, man, do they feel good. One-run victory. Sweet.
"I couldn't throw 98 today, but I threw 96, and that's good enough, don't you think?" ~ Carlos Zambrano, 6/6/07

by daver on Jun 7, 2007 8:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Suddenly...
the Cubs have won four of fives against some good teams.

by DTJchris on Jun 7, 2007 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

a much needed win
and now they better go out and win tomorrow and atleast another one in this series

by Chanman25 on Jun 7, 2007 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

And
the Reds are beating the Cards 4-0.
Felix!

by Matt Allison on Jun 7, 2007 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy Shit
A 1 Run Win
Los Cachorros!

by Laven on Jun 7, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

This isnt the first time I've said it but
in my fantasy league, i got him in a trade for Scott Podsednik (DL all year) and Derek Lowe, who is now a FA in my league, lol, can you say Good Scouting?  (And a little bit of luck, lol)
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

For some damn reason ...
I was mired in a Rangers' blackout.  Nice to see the Cubbies won!  Yay!
"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 7, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

South Sliders give up GS
to a-roo.

What a pitching staff.  I mean, "What a pitching staff!"

Fans are out on the field - shocked.

"Please Lord, let me grow up amongst people who are so 'knot-headed' as to name their streets after numbers." - a Southsider

by scottsdalecubs on Jun 7, 2007 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

and they give up another run...
Look at all the debris on the field!!!  Crappy grounds crew on the southside, lol...
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

and 1 more
on E6!  more debris on feild...  Yanks have batted around... mostly with 2 outs
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was 4-3, now the sox are losing 10-3!
Maelky Cabrera makes 1st and last out of inning, lol, thats gotta suck
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Terrific Win for
Rich Hill - had he had run support, he'd have a couple more w's.

And, Andreuw Jones! The CF vacuum cleaner tonight!

Let's hope JJones rides the pines for a while.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jun 7, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Sox give up 7 w/ 2 out.
in the 9th. ouch.

It's never over till it's over...

Felix!

by Matt Allison on Jun 7, 2007 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

HEY YOU< MATT ALLSION!!!
MATT ALLISON, get rid of my sig., I've had it since he was called up the first time....
Please....
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHA,
Thats still my boy, but I like it, lol.  thanks
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know this is a Cubs Blog
But just wanted to mention one more time...

Go Spurs Go!

Three more wins ~ Four Trophies in the Case

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 7, 2007 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Boo Spurs...
Actually Boo these Finals overall

by DTJchris on Jun 7, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to cheer...
for a bunch of cheap-shot artists (Bowen and Horry) and a flopper (Ginobili), in my opinion.

by SouthernCub on Jun 8, 2007 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs
I don't have any problems with the Spurs, I just have a hard time with the idea of calling them a dynasty like the media is starting to.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 8, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

as you can see
I truly believe in this since I got excited and accidentally double posted.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 8, 2007 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs
I don't have any problems with the Spurs, I just have a hard time with the idea of calling them a dynasty like the media is starting to.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 8, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

How 'bout Hill?
It's nice to see the kid pitch like a killer on a road trip tonight.  11 K's.  

Tonight's outing makes any (shield your eyes) Zambrano playoff-marker deal all the more plausible.  And I am a Zambrano fan.

In my humble opinion, trade Zambrano for Maine and Sosa.

Deal Jones for Shields (LAA) for middle relief help.

Keep playing Pie.

Soriano is a leadoff hitter for now (strangely).  His leadoff position yields somewhere near .315 - .320, and his 2-5 slot shows a struggling .220-260.  The guy can rake in the leadoff spot to date.  When can he fit comfortably in the 5 spot?

"Let me grow up amongst people who are 'knot-headed' and name their streets after numbers." - a Southsider

by scottsdalecubs on Jun 7, 2007 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

There's No Way.....
...the Angels are trading Shileds for Jacque Jones. Zip. None. The only way they part with Shields is if the Cubs offered up Ramirez. Seriously.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 8, 2007 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or - check that - what's wrong with
Soriano 1
Theriot 2
Pie 3
D. Lee 4
Aramis 5
Pagan 6
Barret 7
Izturis 8
"Let me grow up amongst people who are 'knot-headed,' and name their streets after numbers." - a Southsider

by scottsdalecubs on Jun 7, 2007 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Um, no.
Lee's power output this year -- can't clean up right now. A-Ram has to bat 4th. Pie is either 2nd, or 7th. His speed -- need him near the top -- he's not taking walks yet, but he's getting on base. A bit more patience, and he's a good #2. Lee must be in the 3-hole.

Way too much Theriot love here. 6th, or 7th.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 7, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know
Theriot has an OBP of .337 with 8 stolen bases and 28 runs scored. He's got 19 RBIs, too. He's got a better OBP than Pie (.286).

He's tied with Soriano for stolen bases. That strikes me as a good 1-2 punch.
Derosa's got a better OBP (.346) but no stolen bases.

The top of the lineup has to get on base and do something with that.

I'm not attached to the idea completely, but it's just my little look at the stats.

phat

by phatass on Jun 8, 2007 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understans SD jazzman's point
Yet I think all hell has broken loose with this lineup.  Lee can ba the .460 contact hitter all he wants.  He is top-3 hitter in baseball (no shit).

Ramirez gets back, and Theriot to short.

Sean Gallager is coming this week.  We have a derth of pitching now.  F the Cardinals

"Let me grow up amongst people who are 'knot-headed,' and name their streets after numbers." - a Southsider

by scottsdalecubs on Jun 8, 2007 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta
leave Pie where he is at 2. Everyone's been hollering about chemistry, and we finally have a quality example of it with these two doing a Frick and Frack dealio. Build on it from there.
With Fonzie and Felix, no one can beat us.

by Matt Allison on Jun 8, 2007 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yay!
The cowbell returneth!

Who are these men in blue by the way?
Methinks it looks like a baseball team!

by jdoolsiu on Jun 8, 2007 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Draft
What MLB teams have most drafted players currently playing in the league?

by drodd on Jun 8, 2007 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

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Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

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