Will Carroll rumor: Jones and prospect for Conine

by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 5:35 PM CDT

Didn't see this posted anywhere.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/latest-from-bas.html

Conine would give the Cubs a right-handed bat off the bench. His ops versus lefties is decent, .784. I assume they'd bring up Pie again and stick him in center or perhaps Hendry will make a deal for a CF???

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How old is Connine?

IIRC, he's 41.

hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 23, 2007 5:37 PM CDT reply actions

41

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2443

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions

That is a stupid idea

Didn't we get enough veteran leadership with Kendall and his .000 average?

by lancaster99 on Jul 23, 2007 5:55 PM CDT reply actions

Maaaybe

Cincy will pay some of Jones' contract in 2008..

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Its another

"crappy vet" better than young player routine. Its time to call back up Murton and run him out as a regular in RF. Against Left Handers he will do far better than Conine's numbers.

by frustratedfan on Jul 23, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions

Murton is not an adequate solution in RF

And it has nothing to do with the bat. I know Cliff Floyd is not a great RF either, but he has enough pop to make up for his shortcomings. IMO, Murton doesn't - partly because his fielding skills are even worse than Floyd's.

If you want to have an adventure every time the opposing team puts the ball in play toward right, by all means, call up Murton and stick him out there.

by SuperContext on Jul 24, 2007 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Cliff Floyd's power is more of a...

...historical fact than it is a measure of his ability this year. Guy's got fewer doubles than Cesar Izturis had for us.

And personally, I don't think it's fair to bring up Murton's defense when Floyd is the other option. And you want to talk adventure? I think it's altogether far too exciting to watch Floyd out in right and try to figure out if this is the play where he gets injured next, and try to guess what injury it will be. At least Murton can make a diving catch without shattering half the bones in his body.

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by cwyers on Jul 24, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions

That's a bit of a red herring, isn't it?

Izturis' SLG with the Cubs: .304
Floyd's SLG so far this year: .394

Yes, Floyd's is too low, almost 100 points below his lifetime (.485) -- but that suggests that if he gets regular playing time, it should head back to his career norms.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2007 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions

Another red herring?

His career "norms" may be a thing of the past, which is I think what the previous poster's point was. It could very well be that age and injuries have simply robbed Floyd of his tremendous power, and that he's not going to be the slugger he used to be.

It could be that you're right, too, but there are certainly some red flags with Floyd to consider.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions

Maybe so.

But he still had a much higher SLG than Izturis.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions

Completely agree...

even though he may or may not ever be the same power hitter again, he's certainly still got more power than Izturis (whatever that's worth). The Izturis example was a bit of an exaggeration. Although I might be inclined to agree with cwyers' point, ignoring the Izturis red herring.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Slugging can be a bit misleading...

...as a measure of power, because its largest component is batting average. Izturis' batting average was .247; Uncle Cliffy's is .291. That's roughly half of the difference of the power production between these two.

And how are you supposed to get Cliff Floyd regular playing time? Petition the league office for instituting the DH in the NL? Let him take a Hoveround into the outfield with him? Replace his legs with bionic legs? Floyd hasn't been benched because he was underperforming or because someone else heated up, he was benched because Floyd is old and exceedingly fragile. If Floyd's power is something that would come back with regular playing time, then we might as well assume that it's lost and gone forever, because this man cannot play every day. Physically can not.

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by cwyers on Jul 24, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed.

But then who do you put out there? Pagan is a suitable platoon partner... but he can't play vs. LHP for BOTH Jones and Floyd.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2007 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions

Well...

Murton's name has been mentioned...

Seriously though, the knock on Murton has been lack of power and poor defense. Well, Floyd has not hit for power or played good defense, either. At least with Murton there is the chance for player development and there is a much lower risk of injury.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions

This isn't...

...really a platoon issue; Floyd has had only 17 at-bats against lefties this year, and has a .294/.368/.353 line to show for it, compared to his .291/.360/.399 line against righthanders.

This is a "being able to stand" issue; the list of alternatives to Floyd that are able to stand is long. One of the reasons Cedeno has been called up is probably to hide Fontenot from lefties so that DeRosa can play right. If that doesn't work out, then next on the order of business is probalby Murton, Fox or Kroeger.

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by cwyers on Jul 24, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions

You're right...

... I hadn't considered that Cedeno could start vs LHP at 2B, with DeRosa in RF. That makes more sense; that could give the Cubs an all-RH lineup vs. LHP.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions

Minor note..

but I'd guess in that scenario that Cedeno would start at his natural position (SS) and Theriot would move to 2B, where he's proven comfortable. Sort of like when Theriot moved to 2B when Izturis came in.

But yeah, I could see this being the idea, so as provide a more potent lineup against LHP.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions

Ugh.

Jeff Conine is like Jones, but even lass talented. Right now, Jonesy is the CF'er. I doubt Conine can man CF, in fact, I know he can't, so that would make our 4th OF, Pagan become an everyday player, which leaves the bench short if and when Floyd goes down again, because you've either got to use your pinchhitter, Ward, or your second baseman, Derosa. The situation would become even thornier if it occured in a day game after a night game, because Rammy's out and either De-ro or Theriot's gotta man third. Perhaps the return of a Pie that can hit LHP might mitigate that situation, but then you've got to deal with Conine's .256/.320/.401 line, which is not much better than Jones' .245/.305/.339 line, and Jones has 9 more RBI's, albeit in ~80 more AB's. No thanks.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 23, 2007 6:31 PM CDT reply actions

can call up pie and/or murton

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Murton doesn't have enough pop to play a corner OF spot and he's blocked by Sori in LF. His defense in RF is not ideal, plus Conine plays RF. Pie is only viable as a callup unless he can hit, because Conine is not an offensive upgrade over Jones and Lou won't abide two offensive weak spots in his OF.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 23, 2007 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Jones doesn't hit lefties nearly as well...

Already got 3 left-handed bats off the bench, with Ward, Hill and Fontentot (I think DeRosa and Theriot will get the majority of pt)... Conine seems like a move to get a RH bench guy, and they'll probably go w/ Pie in CF or trade for someone like Lofton for CF. Jmo but Pie and Jones is pretty much a wash.

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Except for the

fact that Conine is terrible. Who cares if he's right-handed, and if you think Jones and Pie are the same type of player, watch more baseball. Pie has more talent in his pinky finger than Jones has ever had in his whole body. Jones has made the most of avergae talent; Pie has not even tapped his enormous potential.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 5:35 AM CDT up reply actions

I meant this year that

Pie & Jones are a wash.

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions

Stil not the case.

Jones isn't the defensive CF that Pie is in his wildest dreams, nor has ever possessed the kind of game-breaking speed that Pie has shown this year. The only similarity between their two games is that both have exhibited an apalling inability to hit LHP.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions

well then lol @ your first post

where you complained about pagan becoming the CF. Looks like the Cubs are fine w/ Pie back up in your opinion.

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions

No...

Cubs are only fine with Pie back up if he can hit, which he wasn't able to do on a consistent basis when he was sent down. Jones is getting into a bit of a groove now, hitting some line drives and taking pitches, working counts, etc. Right now, if the Pie that got sent down comes back, the Cubs are better off with Jones offensively, though Pie would be a greater defensive help. So, it's not a push, it's a question of what the club needs right now.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Exactly...

right now, Jones is hitting well and playing adequate defense in CF. When Pie was sent down, he was playing defense well but was atrocious offensively.

If Pie hits like he did when he was sent down, it's not a push between Pie and Jones. If Pie can hit adequately, then it's a push, and it comes down to whether the team needs more offense or more defense. If Pie can hit well, then clearly it's win-win for Pie.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions

you just wrote that pie's better

but ok...

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions

Dude

must I explain everything? I said Pie has much greater potential than Jones. However it is as yet unrealized, so IMMEDIATELY, Jones is the better option from an offensive standpoint, but Pie represents a better defensive option, so which one should be used ought to be dictated by team needs. Right now Lou needs a bat, so Jones has the job. If Lou needs a glove in CF, Pie will probably get the call and Jones will be moved. If Pie proves he can hit LHP, then Lou will probably go with him, because he then brings more to the table than Jones. Whatever the case, Conine is not the answer to any question posed by the varied inadequacies of Jones and Pie.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Not a very exciting rumor at all...

Conine is a much older, less talented version of Matt Murton. The only value this deal would have would be to clear Jones' contract for 2008, and to clear space for Pie in CF. Otherwise, I just don't see how this would make any sense.

Conine would basically replace Jake Fox as the RH version of Darryl Ward on the team.

If this rumor came true, it would appear to be more of a gamble that Pie is ready to be the everyday CF for good, even down the playoff stretch.

by SouthernCub on Jul 23, 2007 6:40 PM CDT reply actions

Conine can't play as many positions in OF

or provide enough "pop" to justify the loss. I know JJ's been on the shite list for a while but this looks like a bad move.

If Hendry needed a roster spot to bring Murton/Pie up or bring in another OF then look for someone else than Conine.

'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 23, 2007 7:11 PM CDT reply actions

And?

What scares me is "Jones and a prospect." Seriously, it would take two players to get a 41-year-old has-been? I'd rather keep Jones at this point. He isn't completely useless.

Tell me Gerald, what is this "walk" you speak of?

by Ross on Jul 23, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions

Keep in mind

This is merely a topic of discussion by Will Carroll and is hardly a substantiated rumor. Carroll clearly states that the Cubs "could" do that deal. Well, the moon "could" fall into my backyard tomorrow...but both are hardly certainties.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 23, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions

the prospect

would probably be thrown in because of jacque's salary. i'm not defending getting conine but he does have the knack for coming up with monster hits in the playoffs. he could also provide some veteran leadership. i would rather have kenny lofton but if we can get rid of jones we need to dump him while we can.

Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 23, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions

I'm going along with ...

... the "Ugh" comments. Jeff Conine might have been a good "veteran" acquisition... five or six years ago.

Forget it. Why do you want to "dump" Jones just when he's starting to play well?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 23, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions

money

could have more money for 2008

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Who cares about '08?!

I wanna win NOW!

"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Jul 23, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly.

And "more money"? How much more? Jones' contract is not that exorbitant in today's market. If he finishes well, he might bring even more in an offseason deal.

For right now, it ain't broke. Don't fix it.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 23, 2007 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think...

Jones is a "Lou guy." I think he wants someone else in CF. Whether it be calling up Pie again or trading for Lofton.. (Pie hit a grand slam today btw). Not really much difference between Jones and Pie imo...

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Ok

apparently the jock jones' bandwagon is filing up. :)

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions

I think

Hollandsworth when I hear Conine...maybe just a Marlins connection or maybe an aging waste of time...

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by Kinky Reggae on Jul 24, 2007 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions

For the past 10 years or so....

I have really liked Jeff Conine. He's that solid, blue collar type of player that every team needs. That said, I think his time has past. I really doubt that he would do that much better than Murton. The only intrigiung part is if it gets the Cubs out of the Jones deal. Not sure why Cincy would do without the Cubs sending cash though.

by rlpete on Jul 23, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions

For crying out loud...

Why does everybody think Jones' salary is so enormous?

6 million is really not bad for a decent RF or CF by today's standards, plus Jones has been hitting clutch lately. I believe he will wind up with surprising numbers for the Cubs by the end of the season.

Trading anybody for a 41 year-old part-time OF is really grasping for straws IMO. Come on, We aren't that desparate!

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by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 23, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions

agreed

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 23, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions

my gosh

so soon we all change. there have been 45 million posts wanting to dump jones. now he starting to play like a big leaguer and all of a sudden its aww dont get rid of him. breaking news-you cant sell low. if we can get rid of him i'd say dump him on any taker.

Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 23, 2007 8:58 PM CDT reply actions

lol yeah

People were fired up when Jones is nearly dealt to Florida...

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't want to "dump him"

Though I would have "thrown him down the well" earlier this season, I would like the Cubs to get some sort of quality in return. Jeff Conine (who is rumored to be retiring at the end of this year) is not a quality player. He is more of a candidate to be DFA'ed.

Tell me Gerald, what is this "walk" you speak of?

by Ross on Jul 24, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions

if they're gonna trade with the reds

just do what it takes to get griffey and get it over with.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 23, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions

ummm...rumor

not fact yet, if at all. So, let's not get bent.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 23, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions

Contract length

We have Jones signed for the rest of this season and next season as well. How many more years is Conine's salary?

by Rev Gunia on Jul 23, 2007 10:02 PM CDT reply actions

Conine's signed thru 2007

http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=654

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 23, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Murton

I love Murton as much as anyone, but he can't be called up until Jones is moved out, and even then he probably can't. We'd need to bring up Pie to play center, and then Murton would have to come up at the expense of an extra infielder, no? Unless they keep shuffling DeRosa out there, which would be fine.

by SamFels on Jul 23, 2007 10:18 PM CDT reply actions

If Jones is traded...

Pie would come up.

Murton is linked to Fox and Floyd.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Conine for Jones? No!

First of all, Conine is older, slower than Jones. Granted, Jones has had a bad first half, but he can have a productive second half- he has been hitting well lately. Also, we need a left handed bat more than a right handed bat.

No- I say stay with Jones. If he gets enough at bats, he can contribute on offense-and on defense.

by nurnberg on Jul 23, 2007 10:58 PM CDT reply actions

I don't see how Conine helps this club

any more than a JJ has the potential to do. Sure Conine is a RH bat, but he is in no way an upgrade, I don't care how much experience he has.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 23, 2007 11:00 PM CDT reply actions

One tidbit...

from the trade rumor site that would be enticing is if Posada does indeed come on the block. That's one catcher I would actually get excited about, no offense to Kendall, Bowen, Barrett, and Hill. Or, offense I guess.

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by thekansasian on Jul 23, 2007 11:02 PM CDT reply actions

We'd be moaning

about Posada's defense withing a week, plus he would play fewer games here because he's old and can't DH on an NL team. Also, the Yankees won't move him because they don't have any catching prospects on the horizon, plus they're making a little run right now. The Yankees won't be sellers.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions

I might not want Jones

but I definitely don't want Jeff Conine ether. Jones really isn't "playing better" he's still a ground ball machine, he's just been hitting them harder as of late.

Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000 a few minutes ago said the Cubs were trying to get Craig Monroe, until Marcus Thames got hurt.

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by TheRamZamDLEE on Jul 23, 2007 11:08 PM CDT reply actions

Monroe...

... has always been a favorite of Hendry's. Look at his numbers. He's basically a right-handed Jones.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2007 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions

You got that right

big on K's, crappy OBP, some pop, definately the kind of hitter Jimmy loves.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions

Hmmmm

wonder if they'll make a run @ Dye??

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Dye's

interesting. I worry that he's like a righty Floyd, but he has looked in the past week like he's got his legs back. I'd take a look at Dye, though it's a move I've protested in the past. I just wonder one, what KW's going to want in return, and, two, if KW really wants to begin the white flag waving by dealing a marquee player to the North Side...

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions

Dye would be a great solution.......

for RF. He's been tearing it up since the ASB. The only problem with dealing with Kenny Williams is that he wants "elite" prospects in return. I'm not sure that our farm system has any elite prospects in it. Would Sean Gallagher + Eric Patterson be enough? That's probably the closest thing we have to "elite" prospects.

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by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jul 24, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions

That's a lot

of youth to be given up for an aging OF in a free agent year. I don't know...if I was going to deal this much youth, I think I'd want a younger player, like a Nick Markakis, and I'd want a prospect in return...

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

That would be...

... way too much for Dye.

However, I'll bet the White Sox would be interested in Ronny Cedeno. Their SS situation is horrendous. Cedeno and a low-level pitching prospect might do it.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

Word on WSCR yesterday was

that KW is interested in Donnie Veal. I'm thinking this Cedeno callup is a showcase, maybe for this deal or another. I can't see us dealing yet another SS to Pittsburgh, so I'm guessing it's elsewhere.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions

I would go for that trade

I've posted before that I think Dye would be a nice addition to this team. I'm willing to give up the potential of Cedeno, which I think is limited anyway.

The Cubs would have a lot flexibility if they were to ad Dye. Of the names talked about in this thread, Dye is the most offensively feared, if he's healthy. He looks healthy to me now.

by NO100 on Jul 24, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm not so sure it is........

a pitcher who projects as a 3-5 starter and a 2nd baseman, who isn't likely to see much playing time with DeRosa signed for the next 2.5 years. Seems pretty fair for a guy who hit 44 HR's last season and who's turning it around in the 2nd half with a OPS above 1.000. Ronny Cedeno and a low level pitching prospect?? Seriously.....no GM worth a salt is going to give up anything for that let alone anything even remotely valuable. If Kenny Williams is somehow in the business of collecting shit prospects, I suppose it could happen.

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by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jul 24, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions

It's 2 months of Dye...

remember, we're not talking about getting Dye for a long time. We're talking about getting the last 2 months of Dye. In a vaccuum, yes, Dye is worth more than Cedeno and a low-level prospect. You don't give up a lot of prospects for a 2-month rental.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions

The White Sox could use

both Cedeno and Murton or maybe the Cubs can give them Cedeno and a relief prospect... They can't expect to pull a big time prospect for a 2-month rental..

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by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions