Brood Crude Poll
by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Jul 8, 2007 1:33 AM CDT
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Wrigley Field North references do not play well in Cheeseheadland. The SB Nation site for our Northerly Neighbors is usually a place that I enjoy perusing, if only to check on the current milk and cheese futures. Tonight I found a rather disturbed "poll" posted there, that BCB readers might want to take note of, if only to remind Brew Crew Ball fans that BCB stands for Bleed Cubbie Blue!
Below is the "poll" that was posted (any guess which team's fans were notably missing?):
What NL Central rival has the most passionate and knowledgeable fans?
St. Louis Cardinals 113 votes - 79 %
Pittsburgh Pirates 14 votes - 9 %
Cincinnati Reds 6 votes - 4 %
Houston Astros 10 votes - 6 %
143 Total Votes
I can only speculate as to why their "poll" dissed the Cubs - perhaps fear that true BCB fans would overwhelm and skew their numbers, or maybe they just can't handle the truth!
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That's funny.
--Die hard Brewers fans are very bitter and jealous of we fans
--Brewers LOVE it when the Cubs come to town: It's the only time they sell out! This is why most all Brewers/Cubs games are on WEEKDAYS, right?
--Miller Park is a fantastic and incredible ballpark, very family friendly
--The "SPECIAL SAUCE" is truly special
--Funny short story: Right outside of Miller, there is a statue of Robin Yount. After renting a short bus, with a keg of beer to drink on the way, our group walks up to the statue (mainly Cubs fans) and in the midst of thousands of Brewers fans walking into the stadium, one in our group screams, "WHO'S ROBIN YOU-NT?" Stressing the incorrect pronunciation, 15-20 Brewers fans turn around in disgust. Needless to say, the expressions we received were priceless. Ah, college.
--I think the other day the Brewers starting lineup included 7/9 home grown players. I honestly wish our team could say that. I have no negative animosity towards this club; their young core is something to be desired by any major league team.
--Even so, Selig still favorites em.
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 8, 2007 1:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whaaa?
* Die hard Brewers fans are very bitter and jealous of we fans.
Welllll, I don't know if that's necessarily true, though it will play well with the crowd here, of course. Why would we be bitter about Cubs fans? Who really thinks about a rival team's fans in the first place? I will say this, though: having so many Cubs fans at Miller Park is a source of local shame, especially in the past 4-5 years or so, when our team was particularly not good. Now that both teams are playing well and Miller Park is selling out more, it's kind of fun.
I think it was stated somewhere else around here: fans really aren't that different wherever you go. Some Cubs fans are very knowledgeable, and some are on board for the ride. Same with the Brewers, or any other team you can name. It might be a little different with the Cubs, though: because the Cubs have such a long history, I think there's a certain cachet for wearing a Cubs baseball cap that you don't get with the Brewers.
* Brewers LOVE it when the Cubs come to town: It's the only time they sell out! This is why most all Brewers/Cubs games are on WEEKDAYS, right?
What, you think we control the scheduling? Personally, I don't get why our teams played each other so early in the season, when kids are still in school and it's still cold and rainy. The Cubs and Twins are our favorite rivals, with the Cards probably coming in third. They really should be played no sooner than May. And that's true, the Cubs games used to be our sellouts, though that's not the case this year.
* Miller Park is a fantastic and incredible ballpark, very family friendly
That's true, it's pretty cool. And there aren't bad seats.
* The "SPECIAL SAUCE" is truly special
I would never eat anything that has a "special sauce" on it, because that sounds a little creepy. But people seem to like it.
- OK, that's a pretty funny story about Robin Yount.
- I think the other day the Brewers starting lineup included 7/9 home grown players. I honestly wish our team could say that. I have no negative animosity towards this club; their young core is something to be desired by any major league team.
Plus we have a lousy TV contract.
It'll be interesting to watch in 3 years or so, when our young team starts to hit arbitration and then free agency.
* Even so, Selig still favorites em.
People around are pretty split on Bud Selig. He's like Hilary Clinton: he's either loved or hated, and very few people have a lukewarm reaction toward him. He did bring baseball back to Milwaukee, and we'd be much worse off without it. Otherwise, we'd all be Bucks fans.
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they just figured....
by ctcoff99 on Jul 8, 2007 1:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem I HAVE with Cubs fans...
Dan
PS - I think the Cards have the strongest and most loyal fan base, there, I said it.
by dtpollitt on Jul 8, 2007 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuts both ways
As a prank, I replaced the desktop of one of my "Cardinals fan" co-workers with Tony LaRussa's mug shot back when he got pinched for DUI. Not only did he not know about Tony's pretty widely reported legal problems, but he didn't even know who he was looking at when he turned on his computer! Kinda ruined the fun for me at that point.
I'm sure there are wonderfully informed Cardinals fans somewhere on this planet - they are CONSTANTLY mentioned as having a knowledgeable fan-base and the crowd at the games seem to be able to follow the action pretty well. The diversity of the fan base is one of the great things about baseball.
by jasoniniowa on Jul 8, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those fans
As for the poll at the other blog, I think that with all the crap lately about trolls and Jeff not allowing people to post (regardless of the fact that their fans are welcomed here by Al), they put on a fine display of hypocricy. I was someone who was accused of trolling, though my only postes that they did not like were made here.
They know that they are not worthy of BCB lable and this would explain the animosity and it is just overcompensation for well....
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brew Crew Ball....
"while part of a network, (this site) is basically independent. Al and I may be (very) loosely affiliated, but we don't work together, nor do I have any interest in working with anyone except for the people I've chosen. If the people who troll here want to be jerks on Al's site, too, that's his luck, or his problem, and has nothing to do with me."
Nice, eh?
And here's the poll before their latest juvenile one that's up:
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Al from Bleed Cubbie Blue got me wondering: who ARE the most obnoxious, vitriolic fans out there?"
Cubs fans, of course
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"Cub fans, of course" was the only answer.
What it boils down to is that the guys with small Johnsons who run and post on that site (with a few exceptions) want to be able to dish it out but whine because their skin isn't tough enough to take it in return. To wit:
"i have nothing against ill will. I'll say nasty things about the cubs and certain of their fans on my site, cubs fans can say whatever they want elsewhere. I don't bother browsing those sites because, frankly, I don't care what Cubs fans say among themselves. I don't get the fascination that keeps Cubs fans coming here, either.
I'm not trying to build some happy world of bipartisanship here. I'm trying to make this site as enjoyable as possible for me and my Brewers fan friends."
And my response was:
"I want to get this straight. You're reserving the right to ban posters, yet you've got nothing against provoking them with polls that insult them. And while you want them to play nice, you're not all that enthused about them coming over here to begin with. You also have no idea why other baseball fans would want to check out another team's site.
Accurate?"
There were a few more posts from the webmaster's acolytes telling him how well he handled things, then wouldn't you know it, all the comments in the Moderation Policy thread disappeared! Gee whiz, how did that happen? The webmaster posted that gosh darn it, he still doesn't have this internets thing down yet and he hit the wrong button, and golly, all the comments are gone. Liar.
So anyway, I wrote to Al and apologized for taking it upon myself to try and smooth things over. He said not to worry. I didn't post more over there after that, but now apparently they can't let it go and have the poll about knowledgeable fans. Whatever, kids, if it makes you feel more of a man then have at it.
by BeerCub on Jul 8, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I must say
I'm going to write my congressman to see if anything can be done.
by Thelonious on Jul 8, 2007 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Take Your Time
by BeerCub on Jul 8, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No greater issue has faced this nation.
by Maddog on Jul 8, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have your pitchfork, I trust?
by Thelonious on Jul 8, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the outrage! :)
I'm glad a few people here still have a sense of humor about things. :)
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
brewers fans
by kanderber on Jul 8, 2007 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BeerCub
My comments, that I made here...as a joke whether people liked it or not, were in fact made HERE.
Posters there began to use my comments here, in an argument for banning "trolls". I too went there to offer an explanation for my comments and was met with animosity, attacks, and disbelief. They continued to bitch and moan like a bunch of high school kids.
My problem began when I read your comments about me and what I represented and how I was not the typical BCB poster...etc. For the record, I never made any rude, antagonistic comments there (until maybe they began insulting me) and never deserved to be lumped in as a troll. Other BCBers did in fact visit there and instigate conflict.
I just wish everyone had the fact before throwing me under the bus over there. And if everyone had read the comments they had made initially at that crappy site, they would have understood my comments more, since mine included direct quotes from them (ie. "I hate the Cubs so much and their fans too").
I for one, think that site is a pathetic excuse for a forum for free speech. The poll is just another exhibit of their inferiority complex.
by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly it...
It's key about the Braves, really -- they were Boston's second team, and then Milwaukee poached them. It was good for a while, and then... then the Braves left, as attendance had been dwindling. It wasn't until Selig was able to poach the Seattle Pilots, an expansion team, that they b=got their baseball franchise again. Hell, the Brewers have only been in the division since '98.
Having a ballclub is abig status symbol, and I'm pretty sure that losing the Braves still stings to some of the Brewers fans, and that sort of thing has been passsed on. They're the one in the NL Central that doesn't fit - the AL expansion team that got relocated to fulfill Selig's dream of interleague play. And they don't like this a lot; they think they deserve a lot more respect than that.
The solution? Don't give it to them. Don't post over at BrewCrewBall - I read it, sure, just like I read VivaElBirdos. But don't give them the satisfaction of having "ignorant Cubs fans" validating their notion of what our rivalry is. We don't have a rivalry. They're leading the divison and we're not - yet. That's it. And we've already closed four games of the lead. Five more games and it's our division. And then we don't have to care about the Brewers at all, and that's how we REALLY tick them off.
by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...ok
I will say this: the Cubs series are the biggest series of the year for us, hands down: you're close, your fans show up by the thousands at Miller Park, and it's Wisconsin/Illinois. (Other than Chicago, I personally think the Pirates would be the Brewers' next best rival: our teams have followed pretty similar paths of late, and they always seem to have our number, especially in Pittsburgh.)
I wouldn't expect the Brewers to be your biggest rival, necessarily. To be honest, we haven't put all that good a team on the field for quite some time; it's no fun being a rival of a bad team. I think we have a better organization now, though, and I think we're finally starting to put some good teams together.
The second half should be good, I think. Although we can mash with the best of them, we have trouble scoring runs without the home run, and our starting pitching of late has been atrocious. (Hello, Nationals!) The division is certainly up for grabs, and if you keep winning the way you have been, I doubt we'll be able to keep our lead for long.
Just the same, if we do manage to win the division and the Cubs land in second, I'd be willing to bet the Brewers would become your #1 rival. Maybe not Bears/Packers, but hey, you have to start somewhere.
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more than...
But it takes more than one season to build the sort of emotional rivalry I'm talking about, and the Brewers spent the '60s in Seattle and the 70's, 80's and 90's in the NL, so that sort of chance hasn't developed yet.
by cwyers on Jul 9, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
I guess I think the proximity is the biggest thing: we would have been one of the better rivals if we actually had a good team, because we're so close and Wisconsin/Illinois are rivals at everything. If that good team is starting to emerge, then we might actually have something here. This could be one of the better rivalries in baseball, in time.
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the poll should have looked like this...
A. St. Loius Carinals
B. Houston Astros
C. Pittsburgh Pirates
D. Cincinati Reds
E. Other
by LilLPLancer23 on Jul 8, 2007 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re. proposed revised poll
I also answer "Yes" to the question about 'Cubs or Sox fan?' Then if the White Sox "fan" continues to probe further, I eventually lower the boom with my explanation about how my Dad astutely shaped my early baseball education, by sharing his thoughts about Ted Williams as the greatest pure hitter ever. And from that moment forward, I became a RED Sox fan, as well as a Cubs fan!
Try this - it's a wonderfully satisfying way to leave "typical" band wagoning, 'I only support them when they're winning attitude'- type White Sox "fans" grumbling or speechless with no quick comeback at all.
If they won a world championship, sure, we'd be proud. But we couldn't love them any more than we already do –anon. Cub fan
by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Jul 8, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one! Errr...
(And that's the point of this whole BCB brew-ha-ha: this is a Cubs blog. Of COURSE you're going to make fun of the Brewers. It's not like we don't have material --- how long has it been since we had a winning season, like, 13 years? And we're going to make fun of the Cubs as well. It's all about good fun, isn't it?)
Anyway, as for your poll, in the fine tradition of Chicago voiting, I voted twice. :)
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 5:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Milwaukee
by Me and Lou WS 07 on Jul 8, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They moved
by LT on Jul 8, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in reading the comments,
So, it's really similar to Bleed Cubbie Blue.
Oh, I shouldn't of wrote that. I'm kidding, Al, kidding.
Ah, crap. I'm gonna get banned now.
by Rev Gunia on Jul 9, 2007 7:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm divided
Jeez, I hate moral dilemmas. :)
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luckily for you...
by Al on Jul 9, 2007 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the spirit of this cubs/brewers conversation
Anyone wanna put odds on the likelyhood of me having problems?
Rogue Jim? you wanna weigh in on this one?
by mike on Jul 9, 2007 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Problems with the locals?
I bet you'll be left alone, for the most part. I mean, it's possible you'll run into a drunken Brewers fan who'll be an ass, but I haven't seen or heard of a lot of Cubs badgering in the stadium.
(Incidentally, I had my bachelor party at one of the last games at County Stadium.)
Be sure to bring tailgating supplies!
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to know.
I'm not in charge of this trip, but I think the plan is to get there as the gates open and eat, drink, and play baggo till just a bit before the game starts before sprinting to our seats.
I've been up to Miller Park several times over the years and I'd like to believe that I have it figured it out. (gotta get a spot by the sausage haus)
by mike on Jul 9, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baggo!
Yeah, the sausage haus rocks. I think your ticket acts as a buck off a drink there, though I could be wrong.
Well, I hope the Brewers treat you to a win, though something tells me you won't be disappointed if they don't pull it off. :)
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2007 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neutral
by mike on Jul 9, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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