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Seven, and Open Thread: Cubs vs. Pirates, Sunday 7/8, 12:35 CT

For a time during last night's 7-1 Cubs win over the Pirates, it seemed as if the sevens would be perfectly aligned on 07/07/07; at one point the Cubs were leading 7-0 and had 7 men left on base.

Still, there were plenty of sevens even after that. They wound up with 14 hits (2x7); Ted Lilly threw 7 (OK, OK, 7.1) solid innings, winning his eighth game and driving in his sixth career run (there! that adds up to 14, 2x7 again); and Mark DeRosa, uniform #7, had two hits and drove in a run. If Lou Piniella had any sense of poetry, he'd have batted DeRosa seventh last night (DeRosa hit sixth, but has hit seventh at times this year). (And note the timestamp of this post: 7:27 am CT.)

It's nice to be able to have this sort of fun, isn't it? All cylinders clicked in last night's game; the Cubs scored, in fine Chicago tradition, early (two in the first inning) and often, and the fourteen hits included only one extra-base hit (a double by Jacque Jones, of all people -- the starting lineup seemed a little freaky at first, with Jones in CF and Daryle Ward in RF, but with the early lead Lou was able to get Ward out early, and also give Aramis Ramirez a couple of innings off). Although the Cubs haven't had a homerless streak this long since 1999 (and you know how bad that team was), this doesn't concern me in the least as long as the team is winning. Other important contributors last night were Alfonso Soriano (three hits and a SB) and Ryan Theriot (three hits, and he's suddenly hot again, with a 7-game hitting streak in which he's 12-for-25). Even the ESPN Baseball Tonight crew has noticed him, and picked up his "The Riot" nickname.

Before we move on to this afternoon's final game before the All-Star break, I have just one more thing to say about last night: Carlos Marmol is turning into an absolutely filthy, nasty relief pitcher. Many of us were saying this was possible last year, when he was struggling through 13 starts, never seeming to have the stamina to last more than three or four innings. But he showed the great stuff he's showing now even then -- he just never could sustain it, and would start walking people (in 2006, he walked 59 in 77.1 innings, a frighteningly bad ratio). Even with his one walk last night, he's walked only 10 in 28 innings, struck out 40, has a 0.96 ERA and 1.00 WHIP, and has an absolutely filthy slider which you can see demonstrated in the photo essay in Chris' BCB diary -- nice pics!

I see closing in Carlos' future. Onward.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
 C. Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Shane Youman
 S. Youman
Pirates
10-6 W-L 1-0
4.04 ERA 3.00
102 SO 2
51 BB 1
16 HR 1
vs. Pit -- vs. Cubs
When the Cubs left on this important road trip, I figured they had to go 5-2 to make a statement, to keep the pace in the NL Central, and to perhaps move up in the wild-card race (where they've sneaked to within three games of the currently-leading Dodgers). Win today, and that goal will have been achieved.

Z needs to step up his game today. That sounds odd, considering he's 5-1, 1.42 in his last six starts, but the Pirates have been a nemesis to him; he's 7-5, 4.22 lifetime against them, including this game at Wrigley Field on May 10 where he gave them three runs in the first inning. Keep him away from Jason Bay, who is .367/.457/.900 lifetime in 30 AB, with 4 doubles and 4 HR.

And, Z is tied with four other pitchers (John Maine, Brad Penny, Cole Hamels and Ben Sheets) for the NL lead in wins with ten. None of those four will throw today, so if Z wins, he'll be the NL leader in wins at the All-Star break. For whatever that's worth.

Shane Youman beat the Brewers last Tuesday, has never faced the Cubs, and is no relation to former major league pitcher Floyd Youmans.

It's cable-only again today, so if you're outside Chicago or Pittsburgh, check EI or the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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why...
do they have to show White Sox games over Cubs games? I always thought it was traditional to show every sunday Cubs game..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 8, 2007 7:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Not necessarily.
They divvy them up each season. Looking at my Cub schedule, I see on Sundays:

15 WGN games
7 CSN games
2 ESPN games (including the 4/29 game that didn't get played due to Josh Hancock's death)
2 TBA (8/5 and 8/19, both of which may wind up on ESPN)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

welll
five remaining sundays are shown on comcast. they aren't separated well..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 8, 2007 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's amazing...
that as bad as Zambrano has been at points this year, he may go into the break with the league lead in wins.  Of course, wins are often a misleading measure of performance.  But in Zambrano's case, it has seemed like he's either been spectacular or spectacularly bad in his starts this year.  He's been darn-near obscenely good since Barrett stopped catching for him.

A win today would go a long way towards the second-half push, and keep our streak of series wins going.

by SouthernCub on Jul 8, 2007 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Koyie Hill....
....he might not be hitting his weight, but the pitchers appreciate him. Ted Lilly was quoted in the CNN/SI write up as saying he "worked really well with Koyie" and that Hill had a "good game plan and was good at observing the hitters." When you've got one of your expensive free agent pitchers who just racked up his 4th straight win for an 8-4 record saying stuff like that, it counts for A LOT. I don't remember anyone ever saying that about Barrett.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jul 8, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know
when Lillhy drove in that run, Len and Bob said it was only his 2nd career rbi.  Is this incorrect?  I found that hard ti believe but then I remembered he was an AL pitcher for a while...sometimes I forget that.  Still though, with interleague and all...
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I mistyped.
It wasn't his sixth carer RBI; it was his sixth career HIT. Look here.

Two career RBI is correct for Lilly, both this year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
just 2 is less than I expected.
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Report from Pittsburgh...
Adam LaRoche, the hottest hitter for the Pirates is out for today's game with an injury.

Jason Bay is striking out everytime he comes up to the plate with his .250 BA. He seems like hes guessing up there.

Should be a good day for the Cubbies!!! I saw a lot of W flags last night.

I got mayonnaise color car, I push miracle whips.

by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 8, 2007 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Ted Lilly
In a thread yesterday I said I had a good feeling about Lilly but "don't ask me why". I think I can pin point it now. Despite his dubious track record against Pittsburgh going in, lately Lilly seems to be locked in and instead of a deer in the headlights look he's had in the past, he looks focused and confident. When he mentioned he liked working Koyie Hill, and it occurred to me how I don't remember Lilly shaking him off much if at all yesterday, that likely is it. Lilly had a four hit shut out going into the seventh, ran into a little trouble, but managed to tough it out before Piniella finally lifted him in the eighth. How often have we seen that this year? Normally, first sign of trouble that deep into a game the pitcher doesn't see the mext inning. Brenly was saying he really liked it when he saw Rothschild and Hill talking about the movement on Lilly's pitches between innings. Rather than just Lilly and Rothschild, Hill was joining in and was the dominant speaker. Lilly could be looking at a 17-18 win season if this type of camaraderie is maintained.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jul 8, 2007 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Here you have pointed out...
... that thing you can't measure on a stat sheet, the amount of "comfort" that a pitching staff has with a catcher or catchers.

The 2003 staff had that with Damian Miller (and Paul Bako, too, and he couldn't hit, either).

You're absolutely correct in what you said above, too. I can't remember any Cub pitcher ever saying that about Michael Barrett, even as they were saying the politically correct things about him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

And since Hill has been catching Big Z
Big Z's game has stepped up big time. Z made one "read between the lines" comment not too long ago. Saying that he was throwing his splitter again during this recent streak of his... and he was throwing it because he knew the guy behind the plate could knock it down if it was in the dirt.
1-RUN GAMES = 10-15 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-6 | HOME = 20-21 | updated on 7/1

by SackMan on Jul 8, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i was
pretty encouraged by that little meeting in the dugout and i'm glad WGN caught it. brenly's take was nice, too, noting that oftentimes the backstop may have abetter idea of how a hitter is reacting to a certain pitch, or certain type of movement than even the pitcher does. that was solid work by hill last night, IMO.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

looked like arguing
That was a good clip between Lilly, Rothschild, and Hill.  At first I was worried that they were arguing... but as they kept showing the clip, it became obvious that they were having a good discussion

by MissouriKev on Jul 8, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Friday
Will Zambrano pitch Friday? I hope so, I'm flying in from Dallas for the game. Anyone know the best way to get to wrigley from schuamburg via public transport? I've never been to Chicago....

by allstar on Jul 8, 2007 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

There is a shuttle bus
that runs from Woodfield to Wrigley. here is more info http://tinyurl.com/3coxns
GO CUBS GO!!!!!!

by roach on Jul 8, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
Great. Thank you. Go Cubs

by allstar on Jul 8, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope he will...
and then maybe I might see him in the Giants series. I want to go see Barry Bonds play, but I don't know if I'm going to.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Jul 8, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Based on everything I've read...
... Z should pitch on Friday, which means he'd throw on Wednesday afternoon the 18th vs. the Giants.

FWIW, Bonds has 7 career plate appearances vs. Z. He is 0-for-4 with three walks and a strikeout.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, love your thoughts on Marmol
It was awesome last night watching him deal. I think he's the perfect reliever to come in late innings right now to nail it down for us, especially when the other team has seen a steady diet of 12-6 curves and relatively "soft tossing" from Hill and Lilly. He comes in throwing heat and that filthy slider. Nothing better to knck the opposition's batters off stride a bit.

Even with the crappy play in the first game of this series, if we win today, this was a great trip, even though we should have a good trip against these two teams. That's one of the many ingredients in the winning baseball recipe - beat the teams you are supposed to beat.

If the Suds Heads lose today in conjuction with a Cubs win, the second half will be mighty exciting for a change!

"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Jul 8, 2007 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Why pitch Marmol
Why would you pitch your best reliever when he has a 6 run lead? Seems like a good point to use Gallagher or Eyre, although they had pitched the day before why tax Marmol's valuable arm?

by astroview on Jul 8, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because Lou's tried that once already recently
And it came back to bite him in the a55.

We had a 5 run lead in the 9th. And we gave up 6 runs to Colorado... thankfully we came back in the bottom half to win it.

No lead is safe. Get the W.

1-RUN GAMES = 10-15 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-6 | HOME = 20-21 | updated on 7/1

by SackMan on Jul 8, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Capuano on the hill for the Brewers today
His last start, on July 3rd, was his first game back from the DL. He only lasted 3.1 innings in a loss to Pittsburgh.

Hopefully he sucks again today.

Tim Redding on the hill for the Nats. Making just his 2nd start of the year, following his performance against us on the 3rd. He pitched decent. 5 innings 5 hits, 3 runs. We won that game 3-1.

1-RUN GAMES = 10-15 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-6 | HOME = 20-21 | updated on 7/1

by SackMan on Jul 8, 2007 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

7-7-7
It was an interesting day in Las Vegas. There were endless promotions at the casinos for everyone to gamble on the "luckiest day of the year." Not me though, I believe in math.

Marmol is a really amazing reliever. He's got such filthy stuff. It's really fun to watch him pitch.

Also, I thought my wife was going into labor yesterday so I would've had a new child on 7-7-7. At least people would never forget that birthday. Anyways, turned out to be false labor.

Go Z!

by vegascubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

RE: I believe in math
LOL.

Good luck with the soon-to-be ankle-biter.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Major warning for today
It's the first time we will have seen Youman pitch... and he's a lefty. That's a double whammy for us.

Making just his second start of the year... he had 3 starts last year. I hope we had a scout watching him vs Milwaukee.

1-RUN GAMES = 10-15 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-6 | HOME = 20-21 | updated on 7/1

by SackMan on Jul 8, 2007 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

a soft-tossing
lefty or more of a fireballer? the junkballing LHP's are the ones that really seem to shut down our cubs.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's weird that
they don't win against lefties. Their numbers against them aren't bad:

 Carlos Zambrano         .600          .600          .600      
 Aramis Ramírez          .368          .419          .772      
 Derrek Lee               .310          .394          .517      
 Mark DeRosa            .293          .361          .400      
 Alfonso Soriano           .288          .329          .575      
 Mike Fontenot            .280          .269          .480      
 Ryan Theriot              .246          .310          .354      
 Ángel Pagán              .231          .281          .462      
 Koyie Hill                 .182          .231          .182

by JohnM on Jul 8, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's been discussion of a nickname for Marmol
on this board and he definititely deserves one.  I'll throw one out there:  

Carlos 'Pig-Pen' Marmol, you know, that filthy character from The Peanuts that walks around in a cloud of dust?

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 8, 2007 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

nickname
my wife likes calling him Marmolade

by MissouriKev on Jul 8, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

proud
she is very proud that someone likes it

by MissouriKev on Jul 8, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lineups!
A. Soriano lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
M. DeRosa rf
M. Fontenot 2b
A. Pagan cf
K. Hill c
C. Zambrano p

N. McLouth cf
F. Sanchez 2b   
A. LaRoche 1b
X. Nady rf
J. Bay lf
J. Bautista 3b
R. Paulino c
J. Wilson ss
S. Youman p

by vegascubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Lineups

Cubs
Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
DeRosa, RF
Fontenot, 2B
Pagan, CF
Hill, C
Zambrano, P

Pirates
McLouth, CF
Sanchez, 2B
LaRoche, 1B
Nady, RF
Bay, LF
Bautista, 3B
Paulino, C
Wilson, SS
Youman, P

by Bruce Miles on Jul 8, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks bruce
for some reason, i really like derosa in that five-spot. he seems to really produce there...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

holy crap
was i wrong about that statement. in the 5 spot derosa's line is .260/.368/.364. ick. sorry, folks.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Decent OBA...
... but no one to drive him in. Problem is, in that lineup, who else do you have to bat fifth?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

floyd?
his line at #5: .286/.338/.429
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but..
he's not very good versus LHP anymore.

Also, he's got a sore arm and they want to rest him through the all-star break.

by SouthernCub on Jul 8, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

in the above lineup, though
derosa's the best choice. wasn't he batting fifth in the blowout wins vs. COL and MIL?
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still say...
Lee and Soriano should switch orders in the lineup.  Soriano's RBIs are sure to increase.  What do they got to lose? Wonder if Lou has even considered it?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jul 8, 2007 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

No
Soriano will continue to be the leadoff hitter.

by Bruce Miles on Jul 8, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bruce
Do you believe Hendry when he says the Cubs will be buyers at the deadline? Do you believe they will be a le to acquire anyone who isn't an impending free agent (ie Griffey, etc)? It seems like a right-handed outfielder, or a catcher would be the most likely targets, don't you think?

Hendry seems to be less than trueful with the media, more so than most GMs. Not sure if that is reality or perception, just been my impression.

by jazzypete on Jul 8, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'll be buyers and be able to buy
The Cubs will be able to acquire anybody they can get. You ought to hear what I hear about other GMs from their writers.

by Bruce Miles on Jul 8, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll bet the white sox
writers have some choice words for KW after he spurned yet another compromise from buerhle yesterday....
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wonder, bruce
if the current problem isn't that the cubs are restricted from buying, but rather that no one's really selling yet? it seems that some teams (texas, baltimore, the sox, the reds) who are clearly out of any race aren't really convicned themselves of that fact and therefore haven't gone into sell mode.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Job requirements
Help wanted:  General Manager for MLB team.  Must have experience in lying on the fly.  Must also understand the relationship between what you say about a player and the value of that player in any possible trade situation.  Aggressive used car salespeople are encouraged to apply.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFLMAO
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jazzy response...
Personally, I would be surprised if he makes any deal of consequence, and I absolutely believe this will be the last year you will see Big Z  in a Cubs uniform.

Among all of Hendry's achievements, as well as his complete failings for two + years in a row, we will all be discussing how Z could have (and should have) been locked up with a long term deal in the 2006 season.

This will be Greg Maddux pt. 2., imo.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

An addendum...
Let me not forget to add Jim Hendry did a terrific job this past offseason.

Its just Ace pitchers do not grow on trees.

I know many of you wanted him traded after the brawl, but I held fast that he was our ace and his track record will prove out.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, hendry
really screwed the pooch by trading bobby hill for aramis and bringing in alou and soriano. he's made his mistakes, sure, but he's also turned in some real gems, as well.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You didn't read
the post well enough.

If you have been covering the CUBS during 2005 & 2006, and were breathing, a TWO YEAR blunder of bestowing the likes of Mabry, Neifi, Hollandsworth, Macias, Grissom, Rusch, Womack, Hawkins, Williamson, Hairston, Cedeno, Burnitz, ROrdonez, Grieve, Kelton, EWilson, SMcClain, Lawton is more than "mistakes".

PLUS Counting again and again on Kerry Wood  and Mark Prior to save the day.

As I said, he had a terrific off season in 2007, but the stupidity to not tie up our best (and one of the best NL) pitchers will be the coup de gras.

Yeah, I certainly give him credit for a few hits as well in 2003.

But "the body of work" is middle of the pack.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on
this:

"But 'the body of work' is middle of the pack."

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

soriano
as a leadoff hitter: .319/.360/.553

as a 3 hitter: .195/.258/.286

managers have tried to make sori a middle-of-the-order guy his whole career. it's never worked. leave him in the leadoff spot.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gameday Audio Preview
I don't konw if it has been mentioned on BCB this week, but there is a free preview on Gameday Audio this week at MLB.com.  Might be useful today since they are not on WGN.

by MissouriKev on Jul 8, 2007 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Go get em Z.
GO CUBS!!!
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Stupid comcast
Because the game is on Comcast today and WILL NOT BE CLOSED CAPTIONED - I was watching the Pirates local channel, which is Captioned and when 12:35 rolled around - it was suddenly blocked.  Stupid comcast.  See...I've posted about this before, but I'm hearing impaired and need to watch TV with captions to "hear" the announcers.  Granted, it's just baseball which is pretty self explanatory, but its still nice (sometimes) to know what the commentary is.  

This Comcast no-captioning policy is driving me insane to no end.  Does anybody know anybody in the upper management of comcast???  

An aside - the Pirates pre-game show was pretty entertaining.  Several players were asked, "who on the pirates eats the most?"  Matt Capps won hands down.  

by cubsonWGN4ever on Jul 8, 2007 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Dammit..
whats up with the cubs base runners trying to steal 3rd..its just plain stupid

by cubsnlinux on Jul 8, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Stealing 3rd with 1 out...
makes some sense.  Then a sac fly or slow grounder scores the run.  Stealing third with 0 or 2 outs makes little/no sense.  So that one is less bad today.

by SouthernCub on Jul 8, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many
successful attempts stealing 3rd do the Cubs have this year?

I don't remember one.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know...
I'm sure Soriano has been successful.  Other than that, I don't know.

by SouthernCub on Jul 8, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poop!
Soriano....sigh.
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

CS on 3rd again!
Why? D-Lee and A-Ram are coming up

by vegascubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I want nothing more to do with that inning
yikes...
'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 8, 2007 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

1-0 Go Cubs!!
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs catchers are terrible.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Zambrano should be batting 8th.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

What's his batting average?
Maybe 6th or 7th when Izturis and Jones is in the line-up.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG
Zambrano is seventh on the team in slugging percentage -- if I read the stats right.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just tuned in -- where is Steve Blass?
Fox for Pitt has several commentators.  I sure like S Blass in the game we lost -- the guy sounds like Liam Neeson.  I could have listened to him all day.  Great voice and just relaxing to listen to.  Anyone else notice?  
"60% of the time, it works EVERY time."

by utcubby on Jul 8, 2007 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

They are 'relaxed'
to the point of being comatose, (that's the team's fault) but it is better than attempting to be snarky, cute, or funny.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe......
........he was really a great announcer and then, suddenly, inexplicably he just lost it.

Like his baseball career.

"In the olden days, the umpire didn't have to take any courses in mind reading. The pitcher told you he was going to throw at you." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on Jul 8, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who is the last all around good Cub catcher?
Exclude Barrett for this question for those who thinks he may have qualified.

by Saratoga on Jul 8, 2007 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously though
I thought Girardi was solid

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe
would be my pick in the last couple of decades.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wilkins
Wilkins had a decent cup of coffee in the bigs but I agree Joe G. was pretty damn solid all the way around.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Selective memory.
Know how many years Joe Girardi was the Cubs' undisputed #1 catcher?

ONE. That's right, one -- 1990, when he caught 133 games and had 419 AB. Close to a regular in 2000, when he caught 103 games.

In 1990 Joe hit .270/.300/.344. Rarely walked and had little power.

We all love Joe, probably more for his impassioned speech he gave when Darryl Kile died than for his performance on the field. He was decent, nothing more.

The last Cub catcher who was productive both offensively and defensively was Jody Davis.  

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soto
Has anyone heard why he hasn't been brought up? I know he had a shoulder problem.  He can obviously hit.  What about his defense?
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

There is a diary
on that subject.  Steve Stone isn't very high on Soto.  He thinks Soto will only be successful in the bigs as a 1B or DH because of weight problems.

Pie was hitting the cover off the ball in AAA, too.  But if neither of our catchers can hit north of the Mendoza line, the only thing we have to lose is the perception that the pitchers pitch well with Hill, especially, behind the plate.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

lookin forward
to seein him play in the futures game at 3 on espn2

by china423 on Jul 8, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

according to alot of people on here
we dont need a catcher that can hit, just one that is great defensively. dont matter if they are an out every time to the plate.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 8, 2007 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait is Youman
from the same team as fontenot and theriot

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I was wrong re: Marmol
I have to admit, I was one of the people who didn't think much of Marmol. Pitchers USUALLY don't suddenly develop the command that he has shown this year. I suspect that the relief role has helped him in this regard. Whatever the change, he has been a stud. If he's not the closer, he still needs to be in the game when it's on the line, whether that's the 7th inning or the 9th.
"There's nothing wrong with this team that more hitting, more pitching, more fielding, and more hitting couldn't help." Bill Buckner

by Rotodaddy on Jul 8, 2007 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

go nats
nats up 1-0 in the bottom of the 3rd.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 8, 2007 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

MOVE THE CAMERA!
Seriously, I'm pretty sure Nady was off camera when he made that catch.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Nats
man on 2nd 1 down .... bring him home !!

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Nats fail to score in the 3rd.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

z doesnt look too sharp today
already has walked 3 and hit a guy through 2+. hopefully he can get ahead in some counts and get some low pitch innings or else he'll be at 100 pitches in the 5th

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Just saw
behind the batter that Power Ball is 36 million. I better pick up a ticket.
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't hit and now can't throw.
Thanks Koyie.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

What a catcher!
Well, one of these years we'll get a catcher will BOTH offensive and defensive skills...
Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point...
...I'd settle for a catcher with either of those skills.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Koyie Hill...
...is not very good at baseball. Not hitting, not catching, not throwing. He is adequate at the second of those, and downright unacceptable at the first. Everyone that wants to crown him the next Paul Bako or Damien Miller or Brad Ausmus is kidding themselves.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brenley stated:
"That error is all on Koyie Hill."

Did I miss something?

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He went on to say
that both Hill and Bowen were doing an excellent job defensively -- especially blocking Zambranos' dirt pitches.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ohhh.
O.k.

I'll give him that.

But no better - in fact perhaps worse - arm than Barrett.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yuck
we have only thrown out 11 out of 58 runners stealing this year. big k by z

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Poop!
Come on Z.
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn leadoff walks.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn!!!
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

chill Z
so predictable. after someone gets to him, the next batter does too

by vegascubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's get
those bats going now.
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, we needed to score more than 1 run anyway.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe we can hit a HR today.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

id like to believe so
but im not crossing my fingers

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first inning base running
gaffe changed the entire inning, with Lee swinging instead of perhaps holding off and getting a walk. Let's hope the first is not the team's undoing today, as the kid pitcher has settled down.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I missed that
was Angel pagan or Theriot involved?
Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so
Sori just got picked off trying to steal third with 1 out and Lee and Aramis coming up.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeRO!!!
What a stud!!! Now get those bats going!!!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 8, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRosa
with his DeArm???

Wow.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweet DeRosa
He's the glue that holds this team together.  Nice peg.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

What is it with the Cubs ..
trying to steal third & getting thrown out to kill an inning?  (in the 1st)

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

we need like a quick solo shot
or something because we havent had any power the last week and were not manufacturing with hill and Z

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

oohhh my
we got a break.  McClouth was safe.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

On the replay
the Pitt Announcers thought he was out with the tag coming on the back of the helmet and the foot missing the bag

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be.
I didn't mean to sound so certain, but it sure looked like the tag missed to me.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

July 3, at Washington...
...so his last start. He later scored.

What Carlos hasn't done this year is draw a walk.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
his OBP is also .256

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano's hitting
ave.  .256
slugging   .436
OPS  .692

All before today's game.

Where can we find a catcher with those stats!!

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Des Moines?
n/t
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That ship has sailed...
...I'm keeping focused on the future now.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 8, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He
was over .300 recently, wasn't he? Ever since Lou used him as a PH, he tries to go yard instead of just making contact.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jul 8, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

it seems like
you can tell really early in the game with this team if we are going to score a lot of runs or not for the game. its definately early just seems like we have blown a couple of real good chances to score and now this guy is settling down and we arent hitting any balls hard or getting runners on.

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

alright im not even hoping for runs
forget about scoring against Youman next inning jsut get his pitch count up, maybe we can get to the bullpen

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

on a side note
barry zito blows. the cardinals have already put 4 runs on the board against him in 2 innings. his era for the season is now over 5. thank god we didnt sign him i was against that all the way. ive never been a big zito fan. i think he, mulder, and hudson were good pitchers but were definately benefited by pitching in oakland's stadium

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

You're right.
Those three benefitted not only from pitching in Oakland, but also from having each other to lean on. Ever since Zito has become the ace of a staff he has really struggled. I'm with you, glad he isn't doing it in Cubbie Blue.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 8, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

For all those...
... who wanted the Cubs to sign Jason Schmidt, or Barry Zito, or some other monstrously expensive pitcher, the Cubs did far better with Lilly and Marquis.

The only expensive pitcher the Cubs COULD have gone after and didn't get who's been any good is Daisuke Matsuzaka, and even he struggled early in the season.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 8, 2007 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Stretch
Interesting to see Z go from the stretch with no one on base.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

for you watching the game on gameday
how pitches has youman thrown today. we need to get him out of there. hes the typical soft throwing lefty that gives us problems for whatever reason

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

69
so we need a big inning

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree
thanks man

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

good patience
by riot. cmon dlee

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Good start
Big inning coming.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

alright alright alright
cmon aram keep this going hit someone in

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

damnit damnit damnit
man we keep blowing good scoring chances. just not our day today

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow
not our day offensively.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Z
Just got in.  Z seems to be pitching well again today.  The offense is sputtering.  
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jul 8, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

no hes not pitching that well
he has bad control and is getting behind in the count in a lot of at-bats. hes not pitching horrible but i wouldnt necessarily say hes pitching good by any means. he's keeping us in the game so hopefully we can score some runs for him and get him a win

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z
I can't believe he didn't make the All Star team.  I voted for him 20 times.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jul 8, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

it would have been nice
but in all honesty he didnt deserve it. as much as i hate chris young the guy has been unreal this year. he has the best era in the majors. i cant believe he was a vote-in he should have been a regular selection

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to see Young
have 2 years like this in a row. He was OK last year. He's not a #1 starter, but he's pitching like one. If he can do this in successive years, then he's figured it out. But by then, he'll be a free agent and somebody can snatch him away.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeRo
Just missed going yard.  3-2 Pirates.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

dang it
he just missed that homer by a couple of feet. really nice double though. nice hit to opposite field dero

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Ack! I hope
DeRosa is ok. That was an ugly slide into base.
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRo
did he hurt himself on the crazy slide?

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Darn ... thought I
just called that  HR ....LOL  c'mon  Cubbies!!

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

When you can hear the ball clank
off a wall in an MLB park, you know it's a quiet crowd. Perhaps the spectators are just passing time until the Steelers are back.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL
A lot quieter than my house.

by BlueSox on Jul 8, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steeler Town
It's definitely a football city.  Too bad that they don't support the Pirates like they do the Steelers with their ticket money.  They've got a nice franchise with a proud history.  That ballpark looks like a beauty too.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

now would be a great time
for another clutch hit by fontenot

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Man....
at least Youman is at 91 pitches, so now we have 9 outs to score at least one run and hold them scoreless over 12

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Just stay close, the Bucs can
beat themselves. The LSU Tiger on the mound is beginning to falter. This game is far from over.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

3-2 Nats
Zimmerman 2-run homer!

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 8, 2007 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

ITs also 1st and 2nd 0 Out
Capuano has faced 4 batters in the 6th and has retired none

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's get some runs ....
time to run this kid out of the game

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

4-2 Nats
Sounds like a playoff game going on at RFK as opposed to the snooze-fest crowd at PNC.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

God Koyie can't hit.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

it sure is
just like that third game of the nats series. were getting hits but hitting into dp's and not scoring runs against a shitty pitcher. you would think with us having z throwing today, especially with the way he has thrown his last 6 starts, and them throwing youman we would be able to walk away with the series win. still got two innings left but time is running out.

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you say "Shitty Pitcher"???
He beat the Brewers his last start on 7/3 giving up only 3, and he also had an era of 2.91 in limited MLB action last year.

Why is that shitty?

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

dang we really need to win this
would be great to possibly be only 3.5 behind the brewers at the break. i cant remeber the last time we were that close. had to have been the second or third week of the season

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Surprise
 The Brewers are a complete paper tiger. It's Fielder and Braun, with a couple other good hitters. That's it. Horrible defense, average starting pitching, and a mediocre bullpen.
 
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jul 8, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z is doing his part
Hopefully with the top of the order coming up against the bullpen we can plate some runs. 3.5 back would be unreal at the break.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 8, 2007 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

alright its now or never
top of the order up. cmon guys get a few across

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs catchers....
2 for their last 46...ouch
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Well we gave up
errors for automatic outs.

It has worked out for us for the most part to this point.

Just not today yet.

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Warning track power.
That's what this team has at the moment.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

It's fitting that
they'll lose on a 2-run shot by Bay.  Someone needs to start hitting the ball out of the ballpark or this offense is in trouble.

by cubsbak on Jul 8, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man I Really dont want to watch the end of this
If you had asked me three weeks ago if we would have been over .500 and within 5 games of the Brewers at the Break I would have bet against it, so I cant really complain, see you guys after the break

by INWes44 on Jul 8, 2007 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

But they have been winning
nevertheless -- maybe not today, though -- as they have run into a good kid pitcher. (He could have been on the ropes early, but he got out of trouble) But we have been so dependent on the HR ball. I'm glad to see they can manufacture runs -- their situational hitting has improved, ever so slowly. The HR's will come, but this is a better overall pattern.

When the wind blows in at Wrigley, all will not be lost.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah --
we were 8 and and a half back. If the Nats hold on, I believe the Cubs will take 4 and a half back at the break. This is a good position to be in.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

The Bob Howry of the first couple of months
is making an appearance.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, well...
what do we do now?

Infield pop and a double play will do.

'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 8, 2007 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

didn't get my wish
think i'll go read now.
'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 8, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

1-2-3 would be nice.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Howry never seems to make it easy
need to shut'em down to have a shot in the 9th

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

ick
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Hell, should have left Zambrano in.
"That wouldn't be a homerun in a telephone booth!!"

by TNCubsFan on Jul 8, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

oh well
4.5 back going into the break has gotta feel good considering where we were.  Just sucks to lose 2 of 3 to the lowly Bucs

by Basman on Jul 8, 2007 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Good news....
...the Brewers are losing.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jul 8, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

3 over at the break
sounds so much better than 1 over. hopefully we come out of the break and play good baseball. if we lose back to back series we are back under .500. and for some reason i hate playing the astros so it should be interesting to see how we respond after 4 days of rest

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

sounds much better
than 1 over
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah the astros
are always tough, especially now cuz they got the cub killer named Carlos Lee
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah and we have to face oswalt
too. just praying we can take 2 out of 3

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Howry can always
put a game out of reach...FOR US!!!!!!!
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

i wish someone would hit a homerun
i forgot what it feels to see our guys trotting around the bases. dont really feel like waiting until next friday to see one. by that point it will have been 2 weeks without a homer

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

A Ram has hit some shots today
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

why has derosa been
swinging at complete garbage this entire series? and taking fastballs down the middle
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Huh?
DeRosa's been pounding the ball this series.  What a ridiculous comment.

by cubsbak on Jul 8, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

last chance right here
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Let me ask this...
why is it when the Cubbies lose, their Nissan "Drive of the Game" is on eof the winning team's and when the Sox lose miserably, their "Drive of the Game" is still a Sox hit?

Is this rampant narcissism or just Hawk and Dumbass at work?

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Poop!
Oh, well 4.5 back. Have a good ASG break everyone.
FYI Futures Game is starting on ESPN 2.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 8, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Just wasn't
our day today.
The recipe for success needs a little Marmol-ade.

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
It's time for some down time for these guys.  Hopefully, they'll come back refreshed and ready to go after the break.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 8, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z
Did Zambrano's ERA go down after this game?  That would be nice.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jul 8, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure his loss
total went up.  That's not nice.

by cubsbak on Jul 8, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

no fun game all around
sucks to go into the break like this. i think it really would have been great to be only 3.5 behind the brewers and possibly 2 out of the wildcard and at our high water mark of the season at 3 over. our offense seems to disappear against shit pitchers like this. we are going to have to keep putting pressure early on after the break to the brewers. hopefully we acquire some kind of bat or something to add some pop to this lineup and we can get dempster back healthy

by bennyha on Jul 8, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

game over
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jul 8, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

The producers make the picks
not the announcers. Can't blame Hawk for everything. He can barely call a game, let alone make the decisions that come out of the producing truck.

Obviously, they (producers) have been instructed by the Chisox how that feature is to be handled. The Cubs (I assume) have placed no restrictions on the production team.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

So Howry closes the half
just like he started the year...

Ugh!

Is it too early to be out of it, or too early to be this far behind?

by TheEman on Jul 8, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh well
it was worth a shot to take out some frustration on Hawk.  I think I will still think bad thoughts about him anyway.  Thanks for the insight though.  
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

well, nice to go into the break
over .500 and closing on the brewers. hopefully, the cubs' power will come back in the second half and they can really make a solid run.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

No, it DOESN'T suck
The Bucs are hot, having won at least 4 of their last 6. We are 4 and a half out -- we were 8 and half out just at the start of June, and 10 games under.

This was a great run, playing .600+ ball.

I wish the All-Star break wasn't in the way, as that game isn't as much fun as it used to be 25 years ago.

The Cubs have a marvelous chance to keep making a run at Milwaukee, and come on -- stop complaining.
Please.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 8, 2007 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

forest for the trees
I agree completely. Cubs have a spark, and the brewers looks vulnerable. Even the wild card may be up for grabs.
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by HerrProf on Jul 8, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's just that...
it would've been really nice if they won today. I'm not devastated or anything, but I am a little disappointed.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Jul 8, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any chance
of other teams wanting to take chance on Howry?

Even though he has pretty much shit the bed this year...he was dominant last year and maybe teams would take on his contract to take a chance on him returning to 2006 form.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

If you told me two months ago we would
be 4.5 back at the ASG break, I would have ordered what you were drinking. This run has been great. Hopefully we can benefit from the break, come back healthy and continue our hot streak. It has been a very exciting first half to say the least.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 8, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I am pleased...
Cubbies have been hot.  We need some power back but I wish it were Friday already.  I hate the all star break!  
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 8, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Howry
Would someone one the Cubs staff tell him that the league knows, particularly the Central, that he throws fastball for strike first pitch on every batter!!!! How can he not know this.  When he threw his slider first, he at least had a chance.  The Pirates knew this and jumped on his first pitch.  That's how he gives up so many runs so fast (think Rockies).
"60% of the time, it works EVERY time."

by utcubby on Jul 8, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

it's not so much
that he starts batters off with the fastball, lots of pitchers do that. the problem with howry seems to be that his fastball doesn't have the good late movement it had last year. without that movement, any ML hitter can catch up to fastball that's straight as an arrow in any count. maybe howry just needs to relax and ease up on himself and just throw. when zambrano gets going, you'll hear brenly say he's "throwing easy heat," meaning  he's in a groove and he's got that hard, biting fastball. that's what howry had last year that he doesn't this year.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see the break
Our guys were playing for it today.  They are spent.  This was like a gettaway day +++.  I knew we were done down 3-1.  Poor at bat, poor swings, lots of pop ups.  I hope Lou gives them the Leyland treatment.
"60% of the time, it works EVERY time."

by utcubby on Jul 8, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it true.....
..we could have picked Joe Morneau in the draft a few years ago?  You know how hard it is to find good catchers?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jul 8, 2007 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

and mauer's
already having knee and groin problems. he won't catch for long. too big.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe he's
already had surgery on his knee. MCL tear maybe? Not good for the long run. You're right Gary, he's a good kid and has a bright future, but it won't be behind the plate for his entire career.
Say what you want, Prior was a good second pick. Noone can predict injuries and how someone will bounce back or not. The Twins even took some heat for the knee problems Mauer had early.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 8, 2007 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 8, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

In that draft...
... the main reason the Twins took Mauer (they had the #1 pick) was that they thought Prior, who was the consensus #1 choice, was unsignable.

Had the Cubs not taken Prior, they likely would have taken Mark Teixeira.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 9, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

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