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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Phillies, Wednesday 8/1, 7:05 CT

Yelloncard_tiny by Al on in Game Threads

The Cubs are doomed tonight. Everyone knows they can't hit lefthanders, and Moyer beat them last year right after the Phillies acquired him in late August (there! See? You can acquire useful players after July 31). Furthermore, Moyer's father-in-law is a well-known former college basketball coach and current broadcaster and he's also been known to rescue small children who accidentally fall into lakes and rivers.

Other than that, it's a warm, humid late-summer day in Chicago and the Cubs are within one game of first place and one-half game of the wild-card lead. Let's go get one of them tonight!

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Rich Hill
 R. Hill
Cubs		 vs. Jamie Moyer
 J. Moyer
Phillies
6-6 W-L 9-8
3.59 ERA 4.75
113 SO 80
41 BB 40
20 HR 19
vs. Phi -- vs. Cubs
Here's a fun exercise: Jamie Moyer will be 45 years old on November 8. He was drafted in the 6th round by the Cubs out of St. Joseph's University on June 7, 1984, and not long after made his debut with the Cubs' then-short season A team in the NY-Penn League in Geneva, NY. At that time his current rotation-mate Kyle Kendrick was not yet born -- he was born August 26, 1984. No current active Cubs were born after Moyer's professional debut, but Felix Pie was -- February 8, 1985.

Tempus fugit, as the ancient Romans might have said (and probably did, often).

Rich Hill is 0-2, 5.75 in two career starts vs. the Phillies. And he has to face Tadahito Iguchi, who is 3-for-5 with 2 HR and 6 RBI lifetime against him. Like I said, we're doomed.

This game is an all-cable, EI, Mediacenter extravaganza. Enjoy.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

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Discuss amongst yourselves.

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I agree about Moyer and his father both are saints
If someone has not been on the site for awhile they must be so confused.

by NIUcubbie on Aug 1, 2007 3:21 PM CDT   0 recs

It's his father-in-law.
Jamie is married to Digger's daughter.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 1, 2007 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's hope
Sweet Lou starts one or two lefties today, which means playing Fontenot and/or Floyd rather than the guy with red hair.  I don't like the all-righty lineup.

by cubsbak on Aug 1, 2007 3:24 PM CDT   0 recs

Doomed
Yes we are doomed.  Last year Moyer fought back a flotilla of alien space ships that invaded the earth.  I hear that he bronzed one of the aliens he killed, and displays it in his living room.  A real stud.

by zevkalman on Aug 1, 2007 3:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Jamie Moyer
is more amazing than 10 Chuck Norris' combined.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Aug 1, 2007 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

almost 20 years?
Almost 20 years since Moyer was a Cub?

Boy, time sure flies.

by rgonzale on Aug 1, 2007 3:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Among Moyer's Cub teammates...
... were Dennis Eckersley, Ed Lynch, Gary Matthews Sr., Davey Lopes, and some kid named Maddux.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 1, 2007 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is his Fleer BB Card worth anything?
Cuz I got a near mint one. Any takers?

by CubFaninNY on Aug 1, 2007 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a Jamie Moyer
saintly record (all his great deeds) that appears on two tablets that I found in a burning bush.  Is it worth anything?  :-)
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 1, 2007 6:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also as I sidenote
 he Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Aug 1, 2007 3:28 PM CDT   0 recs

I get jokes
Ha!

by CarolinaCubsFan on Aug 1, 2007 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Caray sighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Lf2lNRysE

Off topic, but still a classic!

Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 3:31 PM CDT   0 recs

man
what a deal on those pizzas

by tbizzle83 on Aug 1, 2007 9:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i heard that
moyer was the captin in 300. WE are screwed.  Also i will be at the game tonite with my fam. GO CUBS!!

by Kchance on Aug 1, 2007 3:31 PM CDT   0 recs

I heard
Moyer single handedly saved Seattle from that gut-wrenching team the Brewers by moving them to Milwaukee

by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 3:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Well,
We just need to hang in there until the old man gets tired in about the 3rd inning and then we can attack  No biggie

by BMac on Aug 1, 2007 3:36 PM CDT   0 recs

Jamie Moyers'
fitness regimen is such that he nevers tires. Before each game he runs a marathon, for which he conducts a pledge drive the previous night. All the money is donated to feeding needy children. He then throws a 300 pitch side session, afterwards announcing he's "nearly loose."
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 1, 2007 3:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but wait, there's more...
Moyer generated sufficiently huge thunderbolts to power all relief operations after the Christmas tsunami of 2004.

How, you may ask?  Two words.

Towel drills.

There's your shock and awe.

by TedAbernathy on Aug 1, 2007 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Old? Hardly...
Jamie Moyer doesn't get tired. He just acts like it to fill you false confidence and then humiliates you with an 84mph fastball that rides on the wings of angels.

by godhugh on Aug 1, 2007 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Question
I believe that was not Jamie Moyer, but Tony Danza, in the beautiful film "Angels in the Outfield."

However, no one has ever seen Jamie Moyer and Tony Danza in the same place, so.......

by USCKB on Aug 1, 2007 5:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not looking good
I think Moyer might be a Hill to steep to climb over.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 1, 2007 3:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Its going to take years
for this guy to be over the hill

by NIUcubbie on Aug 1, 2007 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"HILL" too steep...
Rich Hill pitching tonight.  Puntastic.

by Ryno8 on Aug 1, 2007 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Please God
let the good Rich Hill show up tonight.

GO CUBS!!!

I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 3:57 PM CDT   0 recs

Lefties like 1-run games??
Anyone feel like law of averages will begin working in our favor when it comes to lefties? Early in the year, we were 2-12 in one-run games but those stats worked themselves out. I know the correlation doesn't exactly bear out but I think its more of an abberation that we're not hitting lefties. We'll come around as a right handed hitting team.  

By the way, looking at this month's schedule. I think we cool off with 15-13 month and then pick it up with the sub .500 crew in Sept. 88-90 wins!

by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 1, 2007 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

i agree
were doomed! this team sux and we should of been a seller because we didnt make moves at the deadline. theres no way we can beat moyer or any other team for that matter because of our lack of players.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 1, 2007 4:08 PM CDT   0 recs

If Arnold Schwartzneger
were to do a new 'Droid/Robot action film

it would star Jamie Moyer

"The Moyernator"

would save earth from destruction.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 4:13 PM CDT   0 recs

Ha!
Hurricane Katrina?!? I think not...

Jamie Moyer just sneezed while fishing in the Gulf of Mexico.

He is that awesome.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 4:18 PM CDT   0 recs

HA HA!
LOL!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see
your trip to the keys was a success.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Arod history
my buddy just called to say he has an extra ticket for the yankees game!  hold down the fort here while i'm gone.

go cubs!

by Mr Snrub on Aug 1, 2007 4:21 PM CDT   0 recs

won't happen tonight
I know. Stay home and watch the Cubs.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 1, 2007 4:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When I see the names Hill and Iguchi...
...I think of that heartbreaking grand slam Iguchi hit off Hill immediately after the Barrett-Piersynski fight. And with Hill being wont to give up the home run ball, and sluggers like Rowand and Howard going to bat for this red-hot Phillies team, the Cubs stand little chance in tonight's contest. I suggest everyone from Lou on down cast himself on the shards of a broken bat to save face.

(See, I get the joke, too!)

Go Cubs!!!

Brew Crew: We are coming for you. (And we mean it this time.)

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 1, 2007 4:33 PM CDT   0 recs

harry...
well seeing as we all have one goal in mind, and this clip obviuosly was taken one of the last times we accomplished a part of the goal...and its harry...i wanted to share...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xyyuSc0tY&mode=related&search=

LET ME HEAR YA....GOOD AND LOUD...A ONE, A TWO, A THREE.....

"fly ball...and that wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth" ~ H.Caray

by sniddlycubbie on Aug 1, 2007 4:38 PM CDT   0 recs

Jaime throws so slow
That even the home plate umpires can get the call right.
He was recently the  hands down winner of a poll of MLB players of which player through the softest. Knuckleball veteran Wakefield was a  DISTANT 2nd.

That said, he is a  GOD. He and his wife have 77 children and only 11 of them are adopted orphans from Darfur. The other 66 include 5 sets of quints, 4 sets of quads, 3 sets of triplets, 2 sets of twins and five "regulars" . Jaimie is so "prolific" that Mrs,
Digger Moyer has spent all but 42 days of the marriage pregnant.
Jaime has also used his powers to stop the rain in Seattle for two whole days when the mayor asked him too. He also personally polished the space needle every Sunday he was not on the road.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 5:00 PM CDT   0 recs

With that many kids,
his wife is the GOD.  Maybe that's where he gets all his power from, and the ability to heal hurt puppies and kittens miraculously.
"We tried to set up a double play, and the shortstop doesn't play in the bullpen." Lou Piniella, July 4, 2007, discussing Young's GS

by gp1966 on Aug 1, 2007 5:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He throws
so slow the umpire dust the ball of instead of home plate while the ball is in motion.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 5:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who
is this Jamie Moyer you all are talking about. Sounds like a real giving nice man.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 5:18 PM CDT   0 recs

My crazy theory for the evening:
Tonight every guy in the Cubs lineup should pull out a bat that is one grade heavier than usual. That way they won't be as out in front of Moyer's pitches, and their timing won't be messed up tomorrow when they see a normal pitcher.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 1, 2007 5:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Good idea
Sam. Just use Sorianos bat.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Come to
think of it. There used to be a Cub pitcher back in the 80's named Jamie Moyer. I wonder if this is his kid. He sure raised a heck of a person. Fine citizen he is.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 5:23 PM CDT   0 recs

It was Moyer's father
who pitched for the Cubs in the 1980s.  They've got the same name.

by Josh77 on Aug 1, 2007 6:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stop yourself
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 10:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineups
 

 Philadelphia  
C. Roberson rf
T. Iguchi 2b
J. Rollins ss
R. Howard 1b
A. Rowand cf
P. Burrell lf
C. Ruiz c
A. Nunez 3b
J. Moyer p

 Chi Cubs

A. Soriano lf
M. Fontenot 2b
D. Lee 1b
M. DeRosa 3b
M. Murton rf
R. Cedeno ss
J. Jones cf
J. Kendall c
R. Hill p

by Tangled Up In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 5:24 PM CDT   0 recs

yowsa
really? ok, I guess Lou is gonna just gonna bring his A-lineup fer the afternoon game tomorrow.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 1, 2007 5:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing.
No Aram? Both Murton and Cedeno?
Not a good feeling, we'll see I guess.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 5:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Any word on ARam?
He looked like he was in pain a few times last night, probably just giving him a rest.
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 1, 2007 5:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Aramis
doesn't generally play a day game after a night game.  I think the idea is that Piniella would rather have Aramis play Thursday than tonight.

by Josh77 on Aug 1, 2007 6:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?
DeRosa 4? Cedeno starting?  I hope Lou knows something we don't...
"It's a pier 9 brawl!..."

by rrobinson on Aug 1, 2007 5:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to pile on, but...
...Fontenot instead of Theriot against the lefty?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 5:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait what?
Rest Ramirez and Theriot on the same day and put Cedeno in the 6th spot?!  Is this some kind of 'lefty' lineup?  Looks like Hill needs to pitch a shutout.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 1, 2007 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not the most fear inspiring lineup
but I am going to say 6 run easy.

by NIUcubbie on Aug 1, 2007 5:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ewwwww...yuck...where is ARam?
Not a very awe inspiring lineup with 2 guys who can't produce past AAA in there....why Cedeno and Murton? Those are 2 guaranteed outs!

by razzpunk on Aug 1, 2007 5:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Comment
That's a lie.  And you know it.  Murton most certainly did "produce" last year.   And more importantly, he's still young.  If you are looking at "past" performance, the oldest and crappiest veteran is going to have better stats than a young stud.

by frustratedfan on Aug 1, 2007 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lou said
when there is a night game followed by a day game Ramirez will not play in the night game but will play in the day game the next day. He's just resting him to keep him fresh.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 6:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the
lineup. I guess Lou figures whoever he puts out there does not matter. No way anyone can hit this Moyer guy.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 5:36 PM CDT   0 recs

Is Lou giving up? Is this lineup the ...
"I Give Up...Let's Go for a Split" lineup...not very confidence inspiring.

by razzpunk on Aug 1, 2007 5:38 PM CDT   0 recs

Lou has Tanya Harding hanging out
near the Phillies bullpen with a pipe in her hand.  Don't be surprised if Moyer pulls a "Nancy Kerrigan yell" and grabs his knee right before the game.  Lou has things under control.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 1, 2007 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For some reason the tribune website
says this game is on ESPN.  Was it originally supposed to be an ESPN game?

by cubsbak on Aug 1, 2007 5:40 PM CDT   0 recs

I am afraid A-Ram is the new Bonds
He is shall we say a bit fragile. He basically no longer plays day games after night games. I suspect holding him back today was
a strategic decision that he would be better used tomorrow. Not sure on resting Theirot but Lou likes to juggle that lineup
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 5:43 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep
Sweet Lou mentioned he was gonna juggle the lineup and play his bench during this grueling stretch of 13 games in a row.  The Cubs don't have only two off-days in the long, grueling month of August.  I trust Sweet Lou to manage this ballclub.

by cubsbak on Aug 1, 2007 5:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In second sentence
get rid of don't.

by cubsbak on Aug 1, 2007 5:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The lineup reflects pitcher-batter splits
Jones and Kendall have faced Moyer the most (and Soriano) coming from the AL, and Jacque and Jason have done well against him, at least in terms of getting on base. Cedeno and Murton have both actually faced him and succeeded. Meanwhile Aramis is 0-5 against Moyer, Theriot is 1-6
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 1, 2007 5:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Not saying
that's the only reason Ramirez is sitting - or the only reason behind Lou's lineup choices in general - but I bet it's one of them.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 1, 2007 5:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lineup knot heads
Some of the old science of coaching/managing is to:
A) When you start a lot of non regulars they often perform one game exceedingly well.

B) This makes sure that everyone in the dugout is playing regularly so you show up every day ready to play

C) It causes the team to play as a team especially when a star is down.

D) Aram must be sat at least once a week so he doesn't play more than three games in a row.

E) Theriot is not a real full time player so playing Cedeno once or twice a week is actually good for Theriot.

F) This allows Fontenot an opportunity to play.

G) It really screws up fantasy baseball stat heads

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 1, 2007 5:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Cedeno would be better off going to the plate
with no bat.

He would have a better chance of reaching first.  The pitching in the PCL must not be very good.

by MiniAndretti on Aug 1, 2007 6:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like it too!!
Esp. giving Jones a start against a soft-tossing lefty why not?

Seems he's going with "contact'' hitters maybe he knows something we don't...Philly could mash Lilly then it won't matter, of course.

Thought A-Ram would rest Thurs. day after night game deal...agree with playing Kendall after big hit last night and like getting Cedeno some PT, this kid was hot in minors gotta get him some AB's.

Ditto Murton like how Lou juggles sure a contrast from Durocher days when the same "regulars'' were trotted out every damn day...baseball folks have gotten smarter over the years, eh?

by writerinwrigley on Aug 1, 2007 6:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Maybe
Lou figures that since Moyer throws so slow, that the AAA guys will be more used to the lack of heat.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 1, 2007 6:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Looper gives up 5 in the first in Pittsburg.
all with two outs. The cardinals may be sneaking back in the race, but they're also one bad stretch from being out of it again.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 1, 2007 6:36 PM CDT   0 recs

JJ is
hitting .311 lifetime against Moyer...

Not sure I can stand to watch an entire game w/ Murton and Cedano. Are we in DesMoines?

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 1, 2007 6:38 PM CDT   0 recs

this game's over already with
cedeno and murton starting..  
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 1, 2007 6:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah why even play games
Just match lineups and determine the winner.  Heck if you don't think thats fair just use Accuscore.  Screw playing games

by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 6:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who was it that wanted Arroyo ?
as part of a Griffey deal since  he was so good in the 2nd half?
Just gave up 7 in an inning and two thirds. Also VERY ugly night
so far for Looper and Wandy Rodriquez. Not likely they get past the third.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 7:01 PM CDT   0 recs

check the game logs again
reds let him throw 123 against the Cubs

same thing happened after he threw 130 against the padres

you'd think the reds would learn...

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 1, 2007 7:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it me or should tonights game
be called smart Jamie Moyer vs. young Jamie Moyer?

by Joe on Aug 1, 2007 7:05 PM CDT   0 recs

The lineup isnt that bad
althogh I would like Aram in, its not too bad.

I think we can still win with these guys.  Its about time that they got some PT so they can shut you guys up.

by BMac on Aug 1, 2007 7:05 PM CDT   0 recs

There is always a chance to win.
But Murton and Cedeno starting on the same night isn't exactly the Cubs best foot forward.

by MiniAndretti on Aug 1, 2007 7:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bench
Well, we get to see what our postseason (knock on wood (Umm..not Wood, but wood)) bench will be like.

by californiachicagoan on Aug 1, 2007 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just have to vent a little.
On my way home just now after a long day, I turned on my XM and tuned in espn radio.  There I find Doug Gottlieb(sp?).  Well, I've hated this guy since he got kicked out of one school and then come to Oklahoma and play for OSU.  Being an OU alumus I tend to not like the pokes.  So, then after he graduated idiot-boy got a job flapping his gums on the local sports talk station.  Now he's national.  It blows my mind.

Anyway.  The point is that he said A-Rod's 500th HR is boring.  That it doesn't mean anything to anybody but Yankee fans.  That it is not that great of a feat to have hit 500 HR's. "Call me when he gets to 700" he said.  Then started ripping on the Rangers for making a big deal about "his 500th" HR.  I know, it was 600.  He said that like 5 times before his producer corrected him.  "Still," he says, "it's not that big of a deal."

That's your ESPN quality opinion makers right there folks.  With Dan Patrick leaving who's their "#1 guy?"  Sad.

by soonerbered on Aug 1, 2007 7:06 PM CDT