All Is Forgiven, Jacque
The AP recap of last night's 7-3 Cubs win over the Phillies says, of Jacque Jones' stunning fielding gaffe in the fifth inning:
"A few feet behind"? Jones appeared at first to be stationed underneath a medium-deep fly ball, about 50-60 feet in front of the warning track. The ball bounced off the track and into the CF shrubbery, at least fifty feet behind Jones.
We were all stunned. At first it appeared to be badly misjudged, but in reality, the only thing we could assume is that he lost it in the lights.
But you know what? It didn't matter. Jones got his forgiveness when he made a fine running catch to end the Phillie sixth with a runner in scoring position, and then got further redemption when he smacked a two-run double down the line in the last of the sixth with two runners on base to give the Cubs a 4-3 lead; after a Jason Kendall sacrifice, Mike Fontenot was sent up to pinch-hit for Jason Marquis (who we thought might be left in to bat for himself, even though it was obvious he was going to be lifted for a pinch-hitter), and smacked a single past the drawn-in infield (why do teams do that? It almost never works), scoring Jones.
So yes, Jacque, you're forgiven -- and the sellout crowd acknowledged him with warm applause when he came to bat in the 7th.
There were a couple of other wacky plays in last night's game, including two really bad Philadelphia throws, one on a Ryan Theriot bunt in the first inning that helped lead to a run, and another in the 8th inning that didn't, in addition to a bad throw by Pat Burrell after Mark DeRosa was inexplicably held up by Mike Quade at 3B when he could have obviously scored on Jones' double; Burrell's throw wasn't that bad but it was offline enough to allow DeRosa to just get in under Chris Coste's tag attempt.
All of this got Jason Marquis off the hook for a pitching performance that wasn't quite as good as the "quality start" (6 IP, 3 ER) he gets in the stat book. Marquis threw 105 pitches in six innings and walked three, although who knows what really would have happened if Jones hadn't lost that ball in the lights. What he did was keep his team in the game long enough for them to take the lead, and then Will Ohman, Carlos Marmol and Bob Howry shut the Phillies down on a combined four hits in three innings, striking out six, including three by Marmol on both increasingly fast fastballs (at least a couple measured 97 on the ballpark pitch speed meter) and some more knee-bending sliders. I had kind of hoped that Lou would leave Marmol in to finish the game, as he had thrown only 23 pitches, saving Howry for another day, and he wound up having to get Ryan Dempster up briefly when Howry gave up two hits, including a double off Jones' glove -- for which he got another round of applause for his diving effort.
See, Jacque? We love you after all.
With the Brewers' 13-inning win over the Mets last night, the Cubs remain a game out of first place. The good news from that game is that Milwaukee ran through its entire bullpen (except for newly-acquired Scott Linebrink), so much so that they had to turn to starter Dave Bush to throw the 13th inning. Good. Let them overtax their pen in anticipation of seeing the Phillies this weekend. And, it set up Tom Glavine, who got a no-decision last night, to try again for his 300th career win Sunday night at Wrigley Field. Hey, Tom: the last two pitchers who tried for their 300th wins at Wrigley (Roger Clemens in 2003 and Greg Maddux in 2004) both failed. Also last night, with Arizona's win over San Diego, and the Giants' win over the Dodgers, the D'backs took over first place in the NL West, and the Cubs and Padres are now tied, 1/2 game behind Los Angeles, the current wild card leader. In fact, the NL contenders are bunching up, perhaps closer than this many teams have been this late in the season ever. There are now nine teams within 4.5 games of each other:
A couple of notes: it was the silly "70s night" at the ballpark last night, which brought out people wearing costumes and wigs that no one outside of "Saturday Night Fever" ever wore even back then, including one guy wearing an all-purple outfit (even some horrid-looking purple shoes). Creativity points to the people in the section next to us who brought some 70's-topic signs, including one that said "Impeach Nixon" and in smaller letters "Go Cubs, Have A Nice Day", and another reading "Dave Kingman For President".
Finally, Kerry Wood threw well in his rehab inning for AA Tennessee last night; I'd expect him to be activated either tomorrow or Friday. For those of you rolling your eyes at "expecting" something from him or "counting on" him, Lou Piniella has the right idea:
"The back end of our bullpen has worked well, so there's no need tinkering with that," Piniella said. "But, yes, as the season progresses and Kerry does well, roles can change."
Onward to August and a real pennant race. And isn't that a refreshing change?
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Dave Bush
by davewillie on Aug 1, 2007 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers website...
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually feel bad
He's clearly trying his best out there, and has been playing really well as of late. But the look he has on his face the whole game is like a kid who's cleaning his room only so he can hang out with his friends later. It's a chore, he takes little to no joy in it, but he does a good job anyway.
I was there last night and it was a great game. Here's to taking the next two from the fighting phils.
by SouthsideCub on Aug 1, 2007 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking the same thing
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your statement
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for him too
It must be difficult to run out to CF or RF and play amongst your own hometown fans dogging you on a daily basis. It would definitely hurt inside.
by SackMan on Aug 1, 2007 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is crap...
It did hurt him inside last year i do know this. He definitely wears his emotions on his sleeve, and he was extremely bothered by the booing and the hate mail. But he never stopped working every day, his goal was to prove the fans wrong.
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Of course, JJ hasn't proved the fans wrong. His production this year is pathetic for any amount of money.
by ExNorthsider on Aug 1, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
This year is what it is (i am a supporter of Jones - but i am starting to question a few things). Jones' swing is in shambles and he is trying to pull everything. Last year, all he did was work on hitting it to Left Field...i dont know why he has not gotten back to this.
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do he pull
by tony412 on Aug 1, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is trying to get a hit...
What i am saying is, the majority of JJ's outs are because he is trying to pull every pitch, inside or out, thus the slow rollers to 1st and 2nd base.
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How?
He's done rather well the year+ he's been here; going to the opposite field. Though last year he hit for much more power; the opposite way too.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry
Technically, I got a morning wood update.
Good game last night. If we keep winning 3 out of 4, and Brewers keep losing 9 out of 14, we will be in good shape.
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The air
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I remember the first time I heard the term "relative humidity", I thought it was how much you sweat when you're making love to your cousin.
That's how we roll in the south, haha...
All seriousness aside, thanks for pointing that out. I do make a lot of reference to the pleasures of the skin. I'm consumed with it, I suppose. I'll try to stick to baseball.
So, howsabout them Cubbies!!!!
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tell you
She said "Jesus, the guy got a hit, won't it be the same stat on all the different sites?"
Haha...women. They are so cute when they get all dumb like that. :)
She asked me the other night what we were going to do next spring for our anniversary.
I said, "I, my dear, am going to Spring Training in Arizona. You, my dear, can accompany me if you would like, or stay home with my step-cat."
So, three days later, I just put down a deposit on a cruise.
* sigh *
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too funny
On the bright side your wife got the cruise, but you still have the TV and computer! You also answered a question I have had which is, I always wondered where people from FL go on vacation? So it is a cruise huh.
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny you asked.
I made that up.
Hoenstly, I use my vacation time right here. I do a lot of diving in the gulf, and we have tons of natural springs for cave diving. I do an obscene amount of hunting and fishing, which costs me about as much as a small third-world country, but still manage to make a trip or two each year to Chicago for a weekend series.
No, we do not go to Disney World. Most of us despise that overgrown rat, except he brings a lot of money in to our state. Well, him and Medicare.
We can also hope on the Fast-Cat and be in the keys in a couple of hours, or gas the boat up, get a keg of beer, case of whiskey, 3 prosititutes, 4 pounds of marijuana and make the 6 hour trip by boat to the Bahamas, but it's tough on your liver.
Between the Cubs on TV, EI, and hanging out with all you nuts on BCB, I would just assume stay home most of the time!
Cheers!
Florida Cubbie
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am stuck in Marshall, MN this summer interning
Anyways...
The bars here don't have satellite or EI or anything so unless the Cubs are on ESPN/WGN, I can't watch them. All the bars show is Twins games on FSN north, it is really disappointing
:( But it has been saving me money to say the least.
This week is my last week though! Can't wait to get back to Florida (where I live) so I can be in a real town, go to the beach, and what not.
Agree with the above comment about Mickey, he only brings traffic to Orlando (as if there isn't enough to begin with). Luckily I live on the opposite side of town so don't have to worry about it.
Cruises and the Keys are also a great way to go on vacation in Florida. Theres a boat that leaves from Tampa?
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa
Hell, I'll buy the beer!
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
I mean, hell, even Kevin Garnett had to get outta there...
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey if you're buying :)
I would like to be up here when it starting snowing, if not for a little bit, though. I never really got a chance to see the snow. I was born in Chicago, but only lived there until I was one. Been there a few times but never in winter.
But yeah, I meant boat to the Keys from Tampa.
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Keep in touch man. I think my email is in my profile thingie. If not, it's on my blog site in my profile.
Florida Cubbie
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One in the same
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smokin Devaneys!
Thanks for the tip!
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the thought of Kerry Wood
That being said, the nice thing right now is that with the way this team is constructed, it's not 100% neccesary that would comes back and is a juggernaut. If he though that would be great.
by mike on Aug 1, 2007 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the road in Atlanta this week for work
by SackMan on Aug 1, 2007 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was...
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been there three times
by pageian on Aug 1, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking to myself
I remember the Braves had a 4 run inning, and when it was over, not a single applause.
They cheer for Julio Franco no matter what though. The ultimate fan favorite.
by SackMan on Aug 1, 2007 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lame ass sports town
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I felt bad
by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones and D-Lee
Now...why is D-Lee swinging on 1st pitches when the pitcher is in trouble? It seems he's been more productive overall by working the count.
1st inning: 2nd and 3rd no out after the throwing error, he swings on the 1st pitch, grounds out. Yeah, he gets the RBI but in that situation, I'm looking for a big inning.
5th inning: Theriot just walked on 4 pitches to load 'em with 1 out. D-Lee swings on the 1st pitch and pops out. Another big inning opportunity gone by.
Does Elias capture hitter's productivity on certain counts, especially 1st pitch swings?
Glad they still won but I have to wonder if that kind of approach could hurt them in crunch time or the playoffs.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A simple guessing game strategy...
by SackMan on Aug 1, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Lee's
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Lee
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Reference..
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=leede02&year=2007
by The Lip on Aug 1, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elias captures lots of things...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Help
I am sure it will be nothing like Wrigley (where i attended on Monday). But I heard they do have sushi.
by mweil on Aug 1, 2007 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SD...
For the WC, I expect more of a challenge from the snakes than the pads.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
root for AZ
by CubFaninNY on Aug 1, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wear your Cubs jersey...
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pads
by tony412 on Aug 1, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pads
by zevkalman on Aug 1, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Maddux
by pageian on Aug 1, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone explain
by Lou In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why?
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well by all means
You can stay at home and do the wave. The wave SUCKS and it goes up there with the Macarena, and Ronny Woo Woo.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 1, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone with half a brain
by Ihatethecards on Aug 1, 2007 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wave
Otherwise IhatetheCards kind of hit the nail on the head. If you're at the game... watch the game. If you want to distract yourself, stay home and flip the channels on the TV or read a book
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because its stupid and it sucks...
by jshipp on Aug 1, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An awefully painful alternative...
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another reason....
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best season I've seen in a while
Every division has a couple of solid contenders - which is going to make August a lot of fun for many many teams and fans... I love this game.
The Cubs did well what they haven't done well in years: recover from their mistakes and take the momentum away from the other team. Granted, it was off Eaton, but the Philly lineup is impressive and our once maligned bullpen is continuing to show it can hold a lead.
Kudos to our boys. Go Cubs.
by stelmodad on Aug 1, 2007 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, good to see Ward healing well
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/491942,CST-SPT-cubnt01.article
by stelmodad on Aug 1, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweetness
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 1, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the RIOT
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
By the way with the way Theriot is palying and hearing Johan Santana's quotes about the twins does anybody think it would be better not to go after AROD but instead lock up Z and go after Santana
by jds2 on Aug 1, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be sick.
by buckmulligan on Aug 1, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's worth it
by pageian on Aug 1, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true...
He did reach base in each game via a hit or a walk in July though.
by big_lowitzki on Aug 1, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones
It seemed as though a lot of fans were mad that Hendry signed him for $5 million a year and when he got off to a bad start they took out their frustration on him. He didn't have that great of a year defensively last year, but he had a solid year offensively.
This year he got off to a bad start, but he has been fairly solid as of late.
Ultimately, I hope he gets traded so he can get a fresh start somewhere with a fanbase more willing to give him a chance.
by mike on Aug 1, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems he's been pegged by a segment of fans
Other than the gaff last night, his defense has been surprisingly good in center and I think he can help this team win as we head toward the postseason. That said, JJ is not a great player and it doesn't help his popularity that he's a daily strike out candidate. He can be good at times and he's better some options out there, but fans can rightfully ask for more - Jim should toward a better CF option in the off-season.
As fans we should support him in our run to the post season. Calling for his head each day isn't a great way to cheer any player toward victory.
by stelmodad on Aug 1, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that JJ
NO ONE earns the hate mail and ignorant crap that made me ashamed to be from this city last year...NO ONE.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 1, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fielding ...
This year, well, I about came to the point where I was about to throw the hat in on JJ. But hearing of his dedication from HIGGY lessened my frustration; that said, though he has mostly been a disappointment this season, I am glad he's playing better of late.
I also thought it was horrid when he was essentially without a country when that trade deal (with the Dodgers?) so publicly went awry. Of all people in all of baseball, that kind of crap happens only to Jones: it's typical of the crap he's dealt with in this town. It was a damn embarrassment for the team and him.
Maybe he's one of those guys who tries so hard it causes him to screw-up due to nerves. Now that he's showing signs of a pulse, let's ride the good times!
Good night, JJ.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall
by mrcubsfan on Aug 1, 2007 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That quote...
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember
here's an article about it
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=318&p=2&c=196565
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome...
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link!
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love it too
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the whole quote
makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy, eh?
by holycow07 on Aug 1, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaque Jones
by Les Lancaster on Aug 1, 2007 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but...
Also: Jones was actually ripped before he got of the bus. Rightfully so, because his career stats and downward trend did not merit the contract that Hendry offered him.
Overall: a terrible free agent signing.
by ExNorthsider on Aug 1, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait....
---> seems to me the hatred should have been pointed at Jim Hendry. NOT Jacque Jones.
by mike on Aug 1, 2007 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may have been a bad signing...
Now, he's performing poorly -- though a bit better lately -- and the team is winning. I'm willing to cut him some slack as a result.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
FWIW, opponents knew he had no arm last year. It would have helped with the fans, and not hurt the team, for him to admit the injury during the year.
by zambranofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I dunno.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
Is the Cubs offer you this much, and you are only worth that much (being lower), what is he expected to do, say no?
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!
Gimme a break. This is real life, not some freaking utopia.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ
And if you think that professional athletes don't ever work and earn money after they retire you're crazy.
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not saying that.
Baseball is NOT a utopia. It's a damn business. Capitalism at its best and worst. If you see it as some pie-in-the-sky fantasy job, then you're crazy. These dudes--for the most part--work extremely hard and their bodies pay the ultimate price.
There ain't nothing wrong with getting a piece of the pie whilst the getting is good. But somehow, Jones should have known better and said "no?"
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Utopia
I agree with you in saying that most players make most of their money while playing. After retirement, they supplement their income with second careers that generally pale in comparison to what they made while playing baseball.
While baseball is a "damn business" I would say that if you ask any player if they would rather be doing something else than playing baseball you'll get 100% of them saying "NO!".
I'm very fortunate in that I have a job that I love to do and therefore do not feel like I am working. You could say that I live in a utopia (obviously not Utopia as the story describes) because I don't dread waking up in the morning... in fact, I look forward to my job because I love what I do. I would assume that baseball players are the same. I agree that they work their asses off and their bodies do take a pounding because of it, but they're loving what they do and they're getting paid damn well too.
Do I fault a player for accepting a contract that is more than what they're worth? Hell no! I fault the GM. It's unfortunate that players with bad contracts get booed, but that's the expectation nowadays when they do not perform up to the level of their contract..
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent points,
Though there is a certain amount of luck in any person's success, it is persistence that usually wins the day. Who was the Philly player BB and Len talking about last night--twelve years in the minors, five contracts as minor league free agent? And now the guy is finally in the Show. He's reached the apex of his professional life, most likely, but it took a long time to get there!
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Coste
by RynoHoF on Aug 1, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought he did play up to his contract.
by buckmulligan on Aug 1, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, but true
by ExNorthsider on Aug 1, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Nobody's perfect on this team--so why is JJ expected to break that mold and be the Second Coming.
Jacque isn't a franchise type of player, but when he's doing well, he contributes. I don't think Hendry went after him to be the Next Big Thing.
Just don't hold the team back. That's all I want.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This forum is fikkle, be nice to Jones
This brings me to my second point. Ronnie Cedeno is a really poor major leaguer. There are those that thrive in AAA and should stay there. I have seen him play 4-5 games this year in Des Moines (I live in Iowa). He is really bad defensively and the only time I have seen him hit is when the Iowa cubs are up. He isn't a pressure player. He proved that on Monday's game. First pitch fly ball out. Ronnie is not the same as Fontenot and Theriot. Ronny and Murton are career minor leaguers. I do give Murton props for having huge thighs. My girlfriend commented about that the last time i saw him at AAA.
I wonder which catcher will have more wins for the cubs this season. I kind of think it will be Koyie not really sure does anyone have those stats?
by scuba4 on Aug 1, 2007 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Third base coach problem still bothers me...
by Jerry Mumphrey on Aug 1, 2007 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best baseball quote of the day
"There's only so many spots,'' Hoffman said. "It's musical chairs, and you better get a chair.''
by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He should have said
by tony412 on Aug 1, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"respect your elders"
from a player or shall we say employee none too popular these days, however I will always have a bit of a soft spot for him for the following.
In 2003 the Cubs had a series with the the Giants, in I think August. Well Barry Bonds was NOT a happy camper. Z got him to pop up with the bases loaded and two out and then did his little jig pointing to the sky. Prior went him one better by going after Bonds for crowding the plate and hitting on the calf. Dusty had to keep Barry from making a run at the mound. Barry felt he had been disrespected by some young punk pitchers so he said that he was going to " teach them to respect their elders".
Just after the Cubs clinched on the last Saturday of the season , they had the post game press conference. Remember at that time it was assumed that the GIANTS would be the Wild Card not the Marlins Someone asked Prior about the facing the Giants( or maybe Bonds himself I can't remember) and he slyly responded that he had "not yet learned to respect my elders" I have no idea how many people caught the reference but I thought it was hysterical.
by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Giants win the west that year?
by SuperContext on Aug 1, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2003
by mike on Aug 1, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also said
Maybe what Al said above about the presumably good chemistry of the current Cubs roster is something that our front office had in mind when passing on marginal trade opportunities.
by JohnM on Aug 1, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I to loved the
I support Jones even though he is still just mildly producing, he busts his rear and I believe the Cub player respect him for it.
Here is to Woody, a guy who gets it, and deserves to be part of the playoff push.
I don't live in Chicago, but I do read Mariotti's columns, does he ever have a good thing to say about anything? For him you must win a championship every single year to please his pencil ass.
Go Cubs!
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 1, 2007 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If any Mariotti lovers are
He's the ultimate bottom feeder columnist. Sits around watching television, avoiding the ballparks, looking for a negative thread to unravel and rile up the fans.
I was hoping his tiff with Ozzie would run him out of town last year.
by N Oakley on Aug 1, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti sucks
by jshipp on Aug 1, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or demoted
by tony412 on Aug 1, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by Les Lancaster on Aug 1, 2007 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones
by gary varsho on Aug 1, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate
I never liked the Jacque signing, and I don't like his game. But I boo Hendry for that, not Jacque. Jones plays hard and does evrything he can, it's not his fault that he's not hitting .320 with lots of home runs--he is what he is.
Stop booing your own players, no matter how bad they play. I HATE that. It makes me embarrased to be a Cubs fan when people act like that. Boo the other team if you need to get the boos off your chest.
by jazzypete on Aug 1, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate booing too.
by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets......
by ronsanto10 on Aug 1, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Mets will almost surely be in the playoffs
That's why you root for the Mets the next couple of days.
by SuperContext on Aug 1, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily...
by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm old enough ... or young enough ...
Still, a sick feeling overcame me at the sight of that damn walk-off. I felt like I had to take a shower.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I have a college friend who grew up on Long Island and is a Mets fan. He comes to Chicago every year to see the Mets/Cubs series. He told me he's rooting hard for the Cubs this week -- through Thursday.
See, it works both ways.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some odd reason...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless
Sadly, right now we need some help.
by mike on Aug 1, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's damn distasteful ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell ...
That said, I don't think I could ever root for the Black Sox. I mean, "they threw the series," as my husband used to say ...
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Cruz Jr
by jazzypete on Aug 1, 2007 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this in another thread.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Cruz Jr = Rob Bowen
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 1, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 1, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz=Bowen?
Bowen never came close to that nor has he ever hit for power.
Cruz's stats were depressed by playing at Petco. Worth a look, I'd say, especially since the cost would be very low.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus he's solid defensively.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 1, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones
All this money being poured upon a PLATOON corner OF who has been displaced in CF? Yes, of course Hendry made a terrible decision here with Jones. I do not blame Jones for taking the best deal on the table either. However, I do not have to be pleased as a fan and say that I am o.k. with Jacque Jones as the "solution" for CF. The cubs are getting more production out of guys who are not platooning and are making the league minimum. This is awful.
If Jones was playing at the level that he was supposed to be playing at based on his career numbers (which have been on a steady decline since 2003 by the way), there would not have been such a perceived thought for the Cubs to "add a bat" at the trade deadline. What's worse is that I do not see Jones improving much the rest of this season based upon what I see with his swing and batting stance. The kicker of course is that the Cubs have yet one more year on this contract as well.
Thank goodness that Pinella does not have a problem with making changes and benching unproductive veterans and that I can count on him to recall Pie between now and September 1st to replace Jones in CF. I have to believe that once the scouts prove that Pie's "tap-toe" adjustment is good to go, that he will be "manning up" in CF for Chicago.
I'm glad that Jones scored once and knocked in a crucial run last night but he is also credited with 5 LOB as well. I'd rather have Pie make the catches in CF and saving runs from scoring than have Jones be responsible for runs scoring and "having to redeem himself" with the bat.
I firmly believe that winning breeds good chemistry and not the other way around. If the Cubs were not winning, I bet we'd see more complaining from the players about AB's and playing time like we did back in April and May.
The Cubs are winning and that is good by me. But as long as Jones remains in the starting lineup, the CF position will remain nothing but "chemisery" for me.
by BJ Simpson on Aug 1, 2007 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spot-on.
by ExNorthsider on Aug 1, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely said.
Just a side note, Lee had 5 LOB and Aramis had 4 LOB. Mute point really but it is gonna happen to everyone. The big thing is (and there is an article in VineLine about Aramis) is that Jones did not take his fielding blunder to the plate.
One thing i can address about Jones that most people would not get from him is his clubhouse presence. he is a very loose guy, likes to keep everyone loose and have a great time and definitely jokes alot with the players. (also one of the first to arrive at the field) IMO he is an asset to the clubhouse.
Another player that you can say this about it Blanco, he also is somewhat of a leadership type guy and he as well keeps everyone loose. That is partically why the Cubs are so high on Blanco.
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mute point?
by californiachicagoan on Aug 1, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more...
by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sitting a couple rows from
I really wanted to boo and vent my anger. However, and this is a new tactic for me, I was determined to restrain myself and just eat my sandwich nervously - burining inside.
As Al said - low and behold he redeemed himself. For the most part, as far as I could hear, people didn't boo him his next time up. I am certain that the feeling any athlete has, performing in front of thousands of people, when they totally get embarassed on a play, is one where they want to climb under a rock and yet there is no where to hide.
Marquis, imo, did better than I thought he would - in the early innings, there were really some dink and dunk hits, seeing eye stuff (also, it appeared as if on one of the GB's the IF was out of position and probably should have made a play) - AND he had a nice single as well.
One thing we did discuss, was we wanted Sori to make the last out of the inning when he came up with two outs so the "real" top of the order could lead off with Theriot - in the next inning.
Watching Soriano as a #1 is an adventure and either really frustrating (a wasted K), or extra base hit. Ann odd position for Lou to have his hands tied there...
by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't leave us in suspense...
...how was the sammich?
by Marv on Aug 1, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alrighty...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Post, meet Cedeno.
Dumb cousins.
Ugh....
by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a murton apologist to a fault
by mike on Aug 1, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, Al ...
This year's return seems to have become more of a pleasant sighting, rather than a "whew, we've been waiting on you since late March" process. A nice thing to see ... after how many years?
Please, Kerry, prove me wrong ... please? I'd love to eat some crow served up by hisotherwife.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers make some moves...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Linebrink on the BEREAVEMENT list?????
And have the Brewers decided their choke job is the fault of Rickie Weeks? Nice way to scapegoat somebody.
by BeerCub on Aug 1, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way now...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow...
Just... wow.
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree
by gary varsho on Aug 1, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "Bereavement" list...
Weeks to AAA? Wow, sounds like a panic move to me.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
First of all, there were complications with the birth of Linebrink's child.
Second of all, the mlb bereavement list for "family emergencies." If a sick father fits this, then so should the birth of a child.
I have absolutely no problem with MLB granting bereavement leave so that Linebrink could be with his wife/new child.
by big_lowitzki on Aug 1, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bereavement List?
Gads... a roster replacement for a birth! Give me a break.
by Goat Whisperer on Aug 1, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are all cold hearted bastards
The problem is the MLB rules not the Brewers use of the "bereavement list". I know we are in race here but lets try to be human if that is possible.
by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem here...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For example
I am not too familiar with bereavment list though. What is the advantage to putting a player on it? Isn't it similar to DL? Except player has to be there min 3 days max 10 days?
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
by cubsbak on Aug 1, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who did we call up when...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by cubsbak on Aug 1, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are REALLY worried about abuse
4 days to be with his wife when she is giving birth and allowing the team a replacement for that time.
by jessica on Aug 1, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Many on this side give up on guys that are 27 or so when they get to the bigs. I find this as good news that the Brewers appear not to have many options.
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
farm
the farm system is pretty lean, in the last couple years they've lost about 7 or 8 of the top prospects in baseball.
by jacob on Aug 1, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is "lost" some synonym...
by cwyers on Aug 1, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see the ball JJ lost either
But other then that it was great to see a come from behind win, and yes, some of the outfits at Wrigley last night were absolutely ridiculous. But I enjoyed the music actually.
And what the heck happened for the stretch?? Who was it and did he have a microphone?
by lilkimmer77 on Aug 1, 2007 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too many Old Styles!
Not a bad gig - but I had problems hearing him, too...
by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something Mike told me last night...
The old Kroch's and Brentano's bookstore on Wabash, which used to be the biggest bookstore in the city, kept stats on how many people attended its various book signings, going all the way back to when they opened in the 1920's.
The two biggest crowds were for ... Mickey Mantle.
And Barry Williams.
The mind boggles.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by JohnM on Aug 1, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
But here's the other aspect of it all: Jones, and pretty much every other player, makes more in a year than I'll make in my entire life, and I make a decent buck. Enough to support a family of 4. But these players? They're making way too much, hands down. None of them "deserve" it. Would I expect any of them not to sign the big contract? No way. I'd take it, too. It's not their fault they're being paid so much. It's mostly ours, Americans, fans, and the rampant capitalism of it all. Nevertheless, I don't think any established big leaguers, like JJ, will ever have to consider working in a dealership. And neither will his children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. After that, maybe....
by Kegler on Aug 1, 2007 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All good points.
by stelmodad on Aug 1, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
Can anyone put an end to my anguish?
by Tangled Up In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They only had one small "e"...
by bergs55 on Aug 1, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
I guess it's good that we're winning and I have to worry about these sorts of things =)
by Tangled Up In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on that.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 1, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Write to
by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't be
by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait!
"Mark DeRosa. He plays right field, and sometimes he doesn't, when he's playing second base, or another position, and then there's that pesky "E" on his jersey. Sometimes it's big and sometimes it's not, and we can't predict when it might grow larger. In any case that big number "7" will stay right where it is."
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by BJ Simpson on Aug 1, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!
by Tangled Up In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you all know...
Maybe we will finally have an answer to one of life's greatest mysteries! =)
by Tangled Up In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it matches...
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Comments on this blog
by mweil on Aug 1, 2007 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know...
by Goat Whisperer on Aug 1, 2007 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Marquis
by Imtrejo on Aug 1, 2007 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
am i the only one?
by Mr Snrub on Aug 1, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too funny
Does anyone want to click on the link and Ask Barry something? What would you ask?
Also, did anyone catch when he was talking to Len and Bob about Robbie Rist? How he said something about him having 5 different colors including Purple and Yellow?
To watch/listen to the bottom of the 7th inn from last nights game, go to mlb.com
and click on the "2" runs scored for the bottom of the 7th inn.
At the very least he DID bring some good luck.
by tony412 on Aug 1, 2007 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The wave sucks.
by Ryno8 on Aug 1, 2007 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More on Quade...
Here is an interesting point from yesterday's game, that you probably would only have caught live:
JJ's double in the LH corner of LF drove the runner ahead of Jacque, DeRosa to third. MEanwhile, the LF for the Phils, could not come up with a ball - we are screaming, "GO HOME!" "GO HOME"! Quade, immersed in his attention given to making sure JJ stays on the bag at 2B DID NOT SEE that the ball was being fumbled! Now this was a KEY juncture in the game.
JJ then FRANTICALLY starts waiving to Mark De to get going! Which to the runner's credit, had him take off for home on a close play, where he should have scored easily had the 3B coach just follow the ball in play.
Quade was a payback from the GM for this guy being a good MiLB soldier. But - sigh - he indeed will keep learning on the job.
by TheEman on Aug 1, 2007 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is the only one on the coaching staff
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 1, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he does
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats the deal with dempster
by crumps on Aug 1, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
by tony412 on Aug 1, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also didn't demps pitch the day before
by jds2 on Aug 1, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Take on JJ
I wish along with everyone that he would have been more productive this year, but he will be OK when its all said and done. Just as long as we are all clicking when september comes along and he seems to be going in the right direction.
by BMac on Aug 1, 2007 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But didn't we also give away pitching for JJ ?
by coral on Aug 1, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ was a free agent
by WittyUserName on Aug 1, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
by vegascubsfan on Aug 1, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to make it worse...
Thus - to me making it the worst trade in Hendry's career.
by HIGGY on Aug 1, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's OK
Bet that exact move was in the back of Hendry's mind those last couple days leading up to the non-waiver deadline.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ cost us a draft pick...
We coughed up Mitre, Nolasco and Pinto for Pierre. Nolasco stands to be the best of those 3.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if he gets off the DL
by rlpete on Aug 1, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster to Rotation
Marhsall to a doctor to get that perpetual "I'm ALMOST retarded" look off of his face.
by Ryno8 on Aug 1, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is an
by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, and...
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife works
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh NOOOOOOO
Cubs have sucked against lefties...Do Cubs even have a chance tonight?
by mweil on Aug 1, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no.
by ExNorthsider on Aug 1, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only do the Cubs have no chance...
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs of
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question of etiquette for Wood
After so many stints on the DL, has the veteran/rookie clock reset and does Woody have to carry the pink backpack to the bullpen?
<Sarcasm intended>
I wish him well and hope his arm is attached and strong and he can be the post deadline upgrade.
Al, I look forward to your report from your bullpen eyes view on how he looks warming up for his first appearance.
by N Oakley on Aug 1, 2007 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not wishing
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're thinking of Dave Dravecky.
by Al on Aug 1, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that Dave Dravecky?
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 1, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omniscient Al.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 1, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be funny
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
by Lou In Blue on Aug 1, 2007 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cub
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I once heard someone
by gary varsho on Aug 1, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall the Cubs are 2/4 on that infield
by blackhawk24 on Aug 1, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
by wild bill on Aug 1, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it wasn't funny but...
by jbowling13 on Aug 1, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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