Bad Ohman
On a hot, sweaty afternoon at Wrigley Field, it appeared for a few innings that the Cubs were going to pull another miraculous comeback, and I was all ready to give props to the bullpen for keeping the Phillies down after Sean Marshall stunk it up today, giving up seven runs in less than three innings.
Unfortunately, Will Ohman was "Bad" Ohman today, getting smacked around in his inning of work, and the three runs the Phillies scored put the game away, resulting in a 10-6 Cubs loss; the good news is, the Cubs continue to hold first place in the NL Central by percentage points, because the Mets annihilated the Brewers 12-4 this afternoon, a game that featured not only an inside-the-park HR, but also an RBI double by a relief pitcher, and a near-fight in the Brewers' dugout between manager Ned Yost and catcher Johnny Estrada.
And, the Cardinals blew a 3-0 lead and lost in extra innings to the Pirates, so the Cubs maintain a six-game lead over St. Louis.
Sean Marshall was just bad today -- from the opening inning, despite getting the first two men out and allowing only one run, he got hit hard that inning, again in the second; a HR, double and single. Then he committed the nearly unpardonable sin of walking pitcher Adam Eaton, who was batting for Phillies pitcher Kyle Lohse. Lohse had hit two batters and walked Mike Fontenot with the bases loaded, tying the game at 1, and then left with an unspecified injury. Eaton's a decent hitter (.197 lifetime with 14 doubles in 299 career AB) but to walk him? Jayson Werth and Tadahito Iguchi then drove in runs, and when Marshall got pounded around in the third, Lou had seen enough.
Even at 7-1, I thought that since it was only the third inning, the air was sticky and steamy (conducive to long fly balls), and the wind gently blowing out to RF, that maybe the Cubs could come back if the bullpen could hold the Phillies.
And they did so -- Rocky Cherry, Scott Eyre and Michael Wuertz combined for 4.1 innings of two-hit shutout ball, and the Cubs pecked away, scoring two in the third, one in the fourth, and one in the 8th, and when Mark DeRosa batted for Wuertz with two out and a run in in the 8th, the tying run was in scoring position. DeRosa nearly took advantage of the capricious breeze, which had just died down a bit, but his long fly ball to right was caught on the warning track.
And then Ohman helped the Phillies put the game out of reach. Props especially to Cherry -- who may be sent back to Iowa tomorrow to make room for Kerry Wood on the active roster, although there's some talk that the Cubs may go with 13 pitchers for the next 10 days until the next day off on August 13, which would mean that, perhaps, Ronny Cedeno or Matt Murton might get sent down, although Murton contributed to the not-quite-good-enough comeback with a pinch-hit RBI single in the fifth. Eyre, as he did last night, threw a competent inning of relief, striking out two and lowering his ERA to 5.55 (that may not sound great, but as recently as June 30 it was a Boeing number, 7.07), and if he keeps this up, it's almost like acquiring a good lefthander at the deadline. Since July 4 Eyre has thrown 7.2 innings, allowed three hits and no runs, walked seven and struck out seven. Keep up the good work!
And give the Phillies credit -- this is a good team that's in contention in its division and in the wild card race, too, and though after going up 2-1 in the series you want to take three of four, there is no shame in splitting with these guys. With nine teams within six games of each other (from the 61-47 Mets to the 54-52 Rockies), there's not much to differentiate any or all of them. All of them have strengths; all of them have flaws, including the Cubs.
Today, my college buddy Tom, who grew up on Long Island as a Mets fan, joined us and will be staying through the weekend to see his team, as he does nearly every summer. He tried to get Jeff, Howard and me to give him a chorus of "Let's Go Mets!", as we have spent the week rooting for the Mets and Cardinals (feels sort of unclean, doesn't it?), but we only gave him a couple of weak little chants before we stopped. He did root hard for the Cubs today, I should let you know, but this weekend all of that changes. You should also know that he very much fears having his team have to face Z tomorrow.
The crowd of 40,988 made the four-game series total 163,727, which broke the club record for a four-game series, 161,374, set... two weeks ago when the Giants were in town. That brings the season attendance total to 2,194,882 in 55 dates, an average of 39,907. If that average is maintained for the rest of the season -- a distinct possibility -- total attendance would be 3,232,463, which would break the club record of 3,170,154 set in 2004.
It's fun to go to the ballpark and watch winning baseball -- even fun today in a loss, because the ballclub did rouse a comeback which fell short. You can tell they're out there working hard and trying every single day. Onward to tomorrow and let's BEAT those Mets.
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I cannot STAND
I suppose, when used against ONE, or TWO lefties (and really NO MORE), and Lefties only, he is adequete.
But I have NEVER been able to have confidence in him as a fan.
I assume I am not alone in these feelings...
Really, Al, you hit it on the head that a split with the Phillies is not such a bad thing here. They have the #1 offense in the NL and a couple decent starters - BUT even though Kyle Lohse is INVINCIBLE - we should have kicked him around more when he was in trouble.
Our lack of HR hitting, too, is very perplexing.
Let's HOPE we get some awesome starting pitching this weekend.
by TheEman on Aug 2, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
I don't even think that his name is Ohman
I hope he's sent down or something, because he's quickly becoming the weak link in the bullpen. Scott Eyre's been regaining his confidence and Lou's trust, Bob Howry pitched well in the closer position while Dempster was out, and even Rocky Cherry pitched well today.
It's honestly frustrating.
Don't you get it?
Anything less than 162-0 is a disappointment.
You can tell the longtime fans here from the ones who hopped on the bandwagon in 2003.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 2, 2007 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
They just
I have faith they will come back strong tomorrow.
Uhm...
Or, better yet...
No worries
No harm, no foul.
And yeah, Dartmouth, I overestimated the guts and courage of the St. Louis Puppy Kickers.
by lancaster99 on Aug 2, 2007 6:41 PM CDT reply actions
Here's the deal.
I don't.
I want the Cubs to beat them every time we play them. But there's no place for this sort of language on this site. Period.
Knock it off.
Ferret Fondlers?
what about if I call them the St. Louis Ninnymuggins?
by Chad @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 2, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Um...
by Rynot @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 3, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Mets are a good team (ask the Brewers)
by mweil on Aug 2, 2007 6:48 PM CDT reply actions
We are in first place
It's August.
Three sweet sweet sentences that combine together to create a wonderful feeling.
Don't forget the oh so tempting sidebar:
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Aug 3, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Bullpen Shape?
Marmol, Howry, Dempster...
Yep...
40 Man Roster
Of course Cherry won't be DFA'd.
"Oh my goodness gracious!"
"Of all the dramatic things I have ever seen, KERRY WOOD IS SITTING IN LOU'S DUGOUT!! KERRY WOOD IS BACK!! HE IS A CHICAGO CUB!!"
A split ain't bad
I think Lou is doing a good job spacing
Ned Yost beats the crap out of his two big bullpen arms and he is starting to pay the price, IMO.
Maybe we can get lucky and get 7-8 innings from Z and Lilly the next two days and send Glavine home on Sunday still one win short of 300.
I posted this during the game thread
The 1979 Philies/Cubs slug fest was referenced, and that game did so much to give Wrigley it's "hitter's park" designation to the masses -- a monicker it no longer deserves, really -- that today I was flashing back to my early teens and I expected Bob Bell and the Three Stooges to follow the game immediately 'on Channel 9!' (in B&W, of course)
This was a throwback game -- the park and the conditions seem to rarely come together like this any more. Since the wind seems to blow in about 75% of the time now -- hot, humid, with gale force winds blowing out towards Waveland Ave. are the exception, not the rule.
If current weather conditions existed THEN as they do NOW, Dave Kingman would never had the HR totals he scored as a Cub.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 2, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
In some ways it was...
The Texiera move seems to be paying
While I hope we sweep the MF Mets...
Talk about SWEATING!
They wear sweaters on days like that in Houston.
UGH!
by TheEman on Aug 2, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What's a little heat!
by tex on Aug 2, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
by riggs on Aug 2, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I concur
Now that we're on 1st place...
Oh, man!
If the Cubs are going to carry 13 pitchers, as Lou intimated, who should be sent down, in your opinion, Al? Cedeño? Fontenot? Murton? Pagán? Cherry to make space for Gallagher?
Finally, Al, the lack of home runs has been repeatedly attributed to the fact that the wind is not blowing out to the outfield as often as it used to in years past. Why? Has it been a colder than usual summer in Chicago? Or do the remodeled bleachers have something to do with it? What do you think, Al and readers from the Windy City?
Weird year for weather
In my opinion...
I don't have specific incidents in mind, but it's my recollection that over the year and a half it's been in place, perhaps two or three balls that would have been knocked down by the wind before, went out as HR.
Wow.
by jshipp on Aug 3, 2007 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Cherry is the likely candidate...
I just the lowlights of todays game
BUT, MANAGEMENT
Truly the weak part of the team.
That, and the fact that our catchers cannot throw out me!
Just wait until Reyes et. al. try to steal!
Free pass every time...
by TheEman on Aug 2, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey look, Eman's whining again.
How's that bet going where you thought the Cubs wouldn't even reach .500? Pay that one up yet? Even acknowledge it? Whatever.
I too am growing weary of Jacque Jones' "I'll take Lake Shore Drive" routes to fly balls. But he hasgood makeup speed, he's really trying, andwereally don'thave better options until lou has confidence in Felix's at bats.
TRy and crack a smile if you can......please. It's nice out.
If you visited
I also realize, as should you, that the season is 60 days from being over -
When I made the bet (with SCOTT) I believed that a losing culture had permeated the players. They HAVE admitted as such in interviews if you have been reading them, or are local and are able to get local feeds on CSN.
To Lou's credit, at THIS moment, he has helped to instill a winning attitude - which I have gladly stepped up to the Crow Bar and feasted. I hope it will continue - August and September are shaping up to be a wild ride.
However, when I mention a FACT that our catchers cannot throw out anyone, and you say its "whining", it shows how little you know about how the players are actually performing.
Jason Kendall, who has been actually contributing catching, game calling, and even with a nice couple of hits (and rbi) lately, has a 0% CS with the new team. He is 0-Cubs. You may have seen a difference in the Phillie's catcher who gunned down Sori with a great throw today, who would have scored on the subsequent hit. Koyie Hill - with his .145 BA, also has a very poor CS% for a starting MLB catcher.
And, when I mention this, YOU call this whining. This is an example of the Old-School Cub fan, imo, where mediocrity is acceptable - or less - as long as the team is "winning".
It is turning a blind eye to things that need improvement in order for the team to reach the ultimate goal that I personally have which is a World Series Championship.
You will see this weekend, when the Mets get their first two batters on base, how effective it is and the problems that ensue when the catcher cannot nail a runner out with an accurate throw.
They turn into runs! Certainly, the pitcher's delivery has quite a bit to do with this - however, there are catchers who get the job done - including our own Hank White who we will not be seeing for a while, unfortunately.
by TheEman on Aug 2, 2007 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What you call a FACT
Here is a fact. On June 2, you wrote:
What, in recent history, would indicate to you eternal Cubbie Optimists that this current team could replicate the Houston Astro team of a few years ago who fired their manager and had Roger Clemens, Andy Petitte, and Roy Oswalt - I think even Wade Miller in his prime (when he could actually pitch) was on this come-from-behind team.
Would you please get a clue and start studying Cubs baseball and understand that the relief staff has lost 15 games??!! 15! And its the beginning of JUNE!!!!
WTF are you SMOKING?
As I and several others have been saying since the West Coast road trip. ITS OVER!!!
YES. Indeed! On the bright side, as I said a couple days ago, we lasted a couple more weeks than last year before the white flag is raised, so there certainly is progress.
AL - when will you finally throw in the towel THIS year?
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/comments/2007/6/2/165718/8487/15#15
Why should anyone believe a word you say after you wrote that? You're like the Bush administration: "Yeah, I know we said Iraq would go great before, but this time we really mean it!"
Go away. You're comments are predictable and tiresome. The Cubs may not win anything this season. But you sure as hell don't know that.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 2, 2007 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say "You go Away"
Yes - I did write it and I am wrong so far. WRONG! I WAS FRUSTRATED and Could not poissibly see signs of life! And I have admitted such on several occasions. I have certainly admitted this, but the season is still not over. There is plenty of baseball left to be played.
However, a 0% CS effort by the catchers and the rest of the items I mentioned I have not made up Josh. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE ME or Bush! But I do not HIDE stats - they are there for all to see.
So continue in your bubble - statististics are what Lou himself believes in mostly. He has said this before.
And, when you're sitting in traffic on the 405 Saturday waiting to go 10 miles in an hour, I'll be at the Cubs game sitting in my seats and will be riding my bike there.
by TheEman on Aug 2, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
And once again
And I haven't been on the 405 in over two years as I no longer live in LA but have never bothered to change my screenname. So your insults are terribly, terribly, off. I do live in Southern California for another ten days.
And the 405 doesn't go anywhere near Dodger or Angels Stadium, so you might want to check a map. (I do notice that you know enough to call it "the" 405 like a true Southern Californian rather than I-405 like a Midwestern would. Hmm, I wonder why you do that?)
Oh and by the way, don't bother insulting LA to a Los Angeleno. They do it better than any outsider ever possibly could.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 3, 2007 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I always enjoyed how the 405...
After thinking about this
What I have learned is not only am I wrong to date, but that baseball EVEN for the Cubs is a 162 game season. This is a grudgingly good lesson and important for me.
I really had not seen - or do not remember - the Cubbies coming from so far behind - ever. It is a first (again, in my recent memory). I am astounded and am happy to eat Crow.
So if you do not want to accept my apology, that is o.k. - but I felt as if I wanted to address this.
And, I lived in LA - so know all about it. Yes there are bicycles in use there - I had one myself - but unless you live in Santa Monica, Venice, Marina del Rey, or a housing development, I wouldn't recommend using one on city streets.
by TheEman on Aug 3, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And what rough beast, its hour come round...
I am going to start off by saying this, in the point of fairness: in broad strokes you're absolutely correct; the Cubs catching corps is so wildly and unnecessarily below replacement level in all phases of the game that it's like watching Brian Cashman stumble around with the game's largest payroll and a stack of nice prospects and nobody even remotely worthy of playing first place. It's fundamentally embarrassing on many counts.
But -- and this really is the punchline -- it absolutely does not matter. Your arguement rests entirely on a flawed representation of an incomplete method of measuring worth. You leave the pitcher's contribution to base stealing completely out of the equation. You fail to look at the run value of a stolen base and compare it to Kendall's other attributes. You completely ignore the notion that some catchers get tested more than others, and why this could happen. And there's a whole host of other reasons that simply counting up "caught stealings" is at best an incomplete measure of a catcher's impact on the running game.
Looking through your history on this board, it's pretty obvious that your devotion to statistical analysis of baseball is tepid at best. You seem to dart wildly from conclusion to conclusion. The notion of "sample size" seems lost on you.
If you would like to attempt to insult me in return, that's fine. I doubt it convinced many people of your point when you did it to Josh.
But let me just close with this: baseball is a game where it's very convenient to measure a lot of different things, often with numbers. Not all of these are meaningful, and many of the ones that are meaningful need to have the noise sifted away before you can discern what they really mean. It's like putting your hand on an elephant's trunk while blindfolded and trying to figure out what it is. It's not a worthwhile endeavour.
A Yeats
I appreciate your pointing out the role of the pitcher in stolen bases. None of the Cub starters has a plus pickoff move. Hill's is a balk, plain and simple; Marshall's is nearly non existent. Lilly, Zambrano, and Marquis have a serviceable, but not great move. None of them pay attention to runners nearly as close as they should. Our pitchers are not doing our catchers any favors when it comes to throwing out basestealers. How many time have we seen no-throw SB's? More than I care to recount here. This is definitely one area where all of our pitchers could use some extra work.
I Live In L.A. As Well.....
Both cities are great places to live. You can ride your bike around L.A. as well, and maybe even drive a car, if you ever get your license back.
Josh in LA, you are my hero.
You're right, the Phillies really are good
And of course the lineup didn't include Utley, their most dangerous of all.
I still think the Cubs are better overall because of pitching staff depth, but if they make the playoffs they could do some damage.
Interesting also
by Matt Allison on Aug 2, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
13 Pitchers ??
The reason we run into problems is the lack of a long man in the pen. Len and Bob pointed that out this afternoon. All of the guys currently in the pen are 1 and 2 inning guys.
If that is the case, then bring up Gallagher to fill that role.
References to the "good" and "bad" Ohman strike at the heart of the problem. Get rid of the guy!!
If he is lousy every 1 out of 3 appearances, that is too much. And we all know that he has been worse than that.
He and Eyre have been like twins all season. They can't get a breaking ball over the plate and then they have to come in with their fastball which have no movement. That's when the trouble begins.
There has to be a solution other than adding another pitcher. Our bench options are thin now -- how bad will it get.
One other thing -- ever since we committed to an outfield with JJ in center and Cliffy in right, I feared that sooner or later this tandem would rear its ugly head. The last four games showed me what I have been worrying about may be the start of something bad. JJ had a lot of trouble this series and we continue to see Cliff having trouble getting to anything that is anything other than a routine fly. Poor outfield defense is going to cost us some games and JJ's bat is not going to compensate for his fielding problems.
And if Cliff can't get to balls or beat out a grounder or two, there's a budding problem as well.
We probably need to see more of DeRosa in RF than Cliff even when we are facing righties. And we need to think about Pie again in CF with JJ back to the pines.
Sorry -- one more. Can anyone tell me why Soto is not a better option than Hill? Soto caught Marshall and Hill in the minors and several other guys in the pen. Even if he hits .240, he certainly would be a vast improvement over the less than .160 Hill.
Soto...
Eyre straightened out himself the past month. Ohman has been inconsistent, though.
Finally, Jones has improved as a hitter and has made some good plays in center field. But he's also made many horrible mistakes in CF too. Floyd has been hampered by small injuries and has not produced as expected. Both he and the power-less Jones may be declining rapidly as ballplayers. That's the club's major deficiency right now: lack of offensive production and power in two outfield positions.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 3, 2007 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree....
It's not so much that...
That And
by BJ Simpson on Aug 3, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
i have a horrible feeling reyes is going
i suggest dlee pull the old hidden ball trick.
I agree.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 3, 2007 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been thinking about that...
Batter has 2 strikes and few or no balls. He sees a wild pitch coming, and as it gets closer, he knows the catcher won't get it...so he swings and misses.
Then he trots down to first base.
Sure, it would be cheap, but it would be about the closest thing to stealing first, wouldn't it?
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Aug 3, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a tough hypothetical...
Also, Reyes is such a good hitter (and so willing to take a walk) that he'd rather take the ball and try to get a hit (or walk) on the next pitch.
I don't think most hitters would do this. The chances of getting a hit or a walk on subsequent pitches are better than the chances of ending up on first by swinging at a potential wild pitch.
3, 4, 5 Starters ....
Which brings us to our biggest problem, the back end of the rotation. No amount of tinkering with the bullpen, the return of Kerry or the number of pitchers will make up for short outings by Marquis, Hill and Marshall.
In the short term, over the next couple of days, Z and Lilly can help the bullpen tremendously by pitching deep into their games. Ultimately, however, numbers 3, 4, and 5 must give us more innings, and soon, or the bullpen will be in tatters down the stretch.
Sure, it's true that only 3 starters are needed in the playoffs. Getting to the playoffs is another thing altogether, and the back end of this rotation had better eat up innings in these final eight weeks.
pretty much dead-on
I don't think Marquis is ever going to be consistent. And Marshall, allowing for yesterday, has pitched as well as I could have hoped. I don't think he will pitch better than he already has.
I think a lot rests on Rich Hill. If he can finish the season the way he pitched from August '06-May '07 -- and assuming Lilly and Z keep it up -- I really like our chances. Otherwise, it's going to be a lot harder.
I said it at the deadline. The Cubs were one player -- either another bat or another starter -- away from being a great team. You don't have to be a great team to catch fire and win the series. But doing that is a lot easier when you are a great team.
BTW, I'm not usually one of the optimists on this site, but I can't tell you how excited I am that Kerry Wood is back. I know he won't change the team's fate, but I can't wait to see him take the mound this weekend.
Lets hope
by Cubs fan on Aug 3, 2007 7:56 AM CDT reply actions
Please
13 Arms...
Good call
I think I trust Marquis and Z with a bat, just as much as I do Cedeno, if not more so. Hell, I trust them both at shortstop, as I do Cedeno.
Sounds like a good poll question:
A) Carlos Zambrano
B) Ronny Cedeno
C) Koyie Hill
I seriously would take Zambrano
by jshipp on Aug 3, 2007 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
Marquis seems to approach pinch-hitting seriously; I'd trust him, absolutely, over whichever catcher doesn't start.
Didn't Rusty use him as a pinch hitter sometimes.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Aug 3, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Why don't we see
I'd pencil in Pagán for Floyd, instead.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 3, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
About Sean Marshall...
First of all, can we safely add this to the historic list of bizarre Cubs injuries? Sammy's sneeze. Remlinger's La-Z-Boy pinky break. Howry's barbecue back strain. And I hope Sean Marshall isn't one of those people who sleeps with their eyes open, cuz that's just freaky.
On a more serious note, I take some comfort knowing Marshall was injured in this manner (uh, assuming the injury isn't serious and will have cleared up by his next start...any opthamalogists in the house?). It's hard to fault Marshall's control if he couldn't see the plate clearly. I guess Lou just took a calculated risk in sending Sean out there.

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