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Cliff!

SAN FRANCISCO -- I think this is why I love baseball so much.

Spending eight innings watching a young pitcher throw 96 MPH fastballs and filthy sliders past the Cubs, who didn't seem to have a clue what to do with any of his pitches, and then within a span of a few minutes watch them slide a double just inside the line, and then a couple of singles bouncing past the Giants infield, and then Cliff Floyd, who's spent the entire season worried about his dad, who passed away far too young a week ago, has perhaps his biggest hit as a Cub, a two-run single that helped put the game away -- what could be better than that? (Yes, I know what really could be better -- but don't say it. Yet.)

The Cubs came from behind to beat the Giants last night 5-1, and I don't think it's hyperbole to say that was the biggest win of the year, and perhaps the best game of the year so far.

I think all of us were ready to throw Jason Marquis into McCovey Cove after eight of his first ten pitches were out of the strike zone (and it was a pretty generous strike zone by Mike Everitt, at least for Tim Lincecum). After a groundout put runners on second and third, pretty much mandating an intentional walk to Barry Bonds, another groundout scored the first run of the game.

And then Marquis settled down. REALLY settled down -- giving up only two more hits and two more walks in six solid innings, striking out Ray Durham with a flourish to end the seventh inning, winding up with 64 strikes in his 112 pitches (that may not sound so great, but take away the first ten pitches, and that's 62 strikes in 102 pitches, much better for seven innings less the first two batters). Happy Birthday, Jason! (He turned 29 yesterday.)

He and Tim Lincecum mowed down batting orders one after the other in the cool San Francisco evening, even with a fairly stiff wind blowing out -- I don't think that has as much effect as a similar wind blowing out at Wrigley Field. The only time the Giants really threatened after the first inning was when Jacque Jones and Mark DeRosa both misjudged a fly ball (right in front of Mark and me) that dropped for a two-out double in the fourth. After another intentional walk to Omar Vizquel (how desperate were the Cubs, anyway? That was only the 14th IBB to Vizquel in over 10,000 career plate appearances), Lincecum hit into an inning ending force to Aramis Ramirez. Incidentally, props to the 40-year-old Vizquel, who hit a triple and made several slick fielding plays last night.

And so it went into the night. Lincecum allowed two harmless singles, walked nobody, and apart from the singles only five balls left the infield in the first eight innings, only 88 pitches thrown (64 strikes, 24 balls), and the game was at one hour, 54 minutes through eight innings.

Then the first five Cubs reached base in the eighth, capped with Floyd's single giving them the lead (after Derrek Lee's base hit had tied the game), and two outs later, Jason Kendall smacked a single up the middle and the Cubs had a 5-1 lead, making the Giants fans near us sigh and say "Hey! Headed toward the #1 draft pick!"

To which I said, "I know how you feel -- we've been there."

A terrific pitcher's duel for 8 innings... followed by an explosion of Cub offense, and if they tell you they don't watch the scoreboard they're lying, because we knew that both the Brewers and Cardinals had won by the time that 9th inning started, so the comeback couldn't have come at a more important time... all adds up to a win that had to give the Cubs an enormous emotional lift, and I couldn't be happier for Cliff Floyd, who played left field for only the 14th time this season, and who's had a very tough year personally.

The Giants fans attempted to taunt him, likely not knowing of everything he's been through, but even that came out pretty weak. One fan would chant, "What's wrong with Floyd?" To which some others would respond, "He's a bum!"

Wow. Giants fans need new material.

Other notes: the new HD scoreboard is really, really impressive. Sitting not too far from it in the LF bleachers, you can really see the sharpness in the video replays they show, and it gives detailed stats and play-by-play results in the lineup lists. (Tried to take a photo with my phone last night, but it doesn't do the board justice, and the light tower next to the board kind of washed out the detail. Will try again tonight.)

There were still multiple flashes going off every time Barry Bonds batted, although the excitement over every one of his at-bats seems to have gone away for the Giants fans. Despite the fact that paid attendance was 41,242, SF's 20th straight sellout, there had to be at least 10,000 no-shows, and Cub fans, though not as numerous as they've been in places like Cincinnati, St. Louis and even Colorado, were clearly evident -- and loud, especially in the decisive ninth inning.

Finally, the rainout from Sunday will be made up Monday, September 10, starting at 2:20 CT. This strikes me as the dumbest possible time to make up this game -- in the middle of road trips for BOTH the Cubs and Cardinals. The Cubs will be finishing up a series in Pittsburgh on 9/9 with a day game; then they will fly on to Houston for a night game on 9/11. Meanwhile, St. Louis has a late-afternoon (Central time) game in Arizona on Sunday, Sept. 9, which means they'll likely not arrive in Chicago till near midnight, then have to fly on to Cincinnati for a game on Tuesday. Oh, well. Not that I feel sorry for the Cardinals or anything.

Anyway, here's some more information on tickets for the makeup game:

Tickets for the rescheduled game will be available starting Friday at 10 a.m. CT at www.cubs.com, by calling 1-800-THE-CUBS or at the Wrigley Field box office.

Tickets stating Aug. 19 vs. St. Louis will not be valid for the makeup game. Full season-ticket holders will receive a new set of tickets for Sept. 10 by mail. Combination Plan holders will be given the option by e-mail to exchange their tickets for the Sept. 10 game or to receive a refund for the Aug. 19 game.

All other non-season ticket holders with a ticket for the Aug. 19 postponed game are eligible for a refund or may exchange that ticket's value toward a ticket for Sept. 10 or any future Cubs game, pending availability. Refunds can be requested by sending the Aug. 19 tickets to Wrigley Field or dropping them off at the box office.

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Infield in...
Wow...

I can't believe that stupid strategy of bringing the infield in worked... again...

by big_lowitzki on Aug 22, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Touche.
OK, you got me on that one. It did.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Twice...
The funny thing is that since you made those original comments, it has worked twice.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 22, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!
Maybe I should say stuff like that more often!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sept 10
I guess the one benefit of scheduling the game on that date is that the rosters are expanded.  I imagine both teams will be calling up a few extra players to deal with the fatigue that will result from the hectic travel schedule.
"Look, what's important is to be in first place on the last day of the season." -Lou 8/1/07

by 26.2cubfan on Aug 22, 2007 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

True, I suppose.
But they would have the benefit of those rosters on Oct. 1, also, which would have been a better choice of date to play that game -- if necessary.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like
MLB is worried about the necessity for a one-game playoff in the division and wants to keep that date open for that. With the way no one is running away with the Central, it might be needed.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 22, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good Point
n/t
Distracted. That's a funny word. I wonder if anyone ever gets tracted.

by CyberCyclist on Aug 22, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly!
From today's Chicago Tribune:
"Major League Baseball wanted the game played because it would complicate the playoff schedule if the Cubs and Cardinals had to play Oct. 1, and another tiebreaker game to get into the postseason was necessary between two teams Oct. 2."

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 22, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least
the game is AT Wrigley and the Cards are more inconvenienced than the Cubs. That said, it still should have been scheduled for 10/1.

Nice to see that the Cubs are telling people who bought tickets for the original game "F*** off, there's more money to be made in re-selling the game tickets, and banking on the fact that some of the original holders will be too lazy to refund their tickets."

by SouthsideCub on Aug 22, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

And what happens for people who paid over face?
Obviously the normal scalpers could care less, but what about the Tribune-owned ticket scalpers?  Do they give a full refund?

It's bad enough that they double-dip on their own tickets, but if they don't refund people who paid a premium from an official outlet, then that's a new low.

by Wreckard on Aug 22, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're all screwed
including the ones that bought on StubHub...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stubhub Fan Protect Guarantee
If I got a ticket on Stubhub, I would enforce the Fan Protect Guarantee
If an event is cancelled and will not occur at a later date, StubHub will send the Buyer an email offering the Buyer the opportunity to return their tickets within 2 weeks in order to receive a refund for the full cost of their tickets, including service fees and shipping and handling charges. StubHub, in its sole discretion, will determine when an event has been cancelled. If an event is postponed and the venue where the event is to be held will issue new replacement tickets, StubHub will work to obtain replacement tickets for the Buyer. If an event is postponed and the number of replacement tickets available is limited, StubHub, may, in its sole discretion, deem the event cancelled.

For intensive purposes, the game was cancelled, and will NOT be replayed as new ticket will be required for entry.  

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...
... StubHub covers itself in that statement:
StubHub, in its sole discretion, will determine when an event has been cancelled.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Understood
But they also clearly state above that if the event requires new tickets, Stubhub will either find you tickets or determine the game as cancelled.  I think  a pretty strong case could be made, though StubHub would be pretty sure not to let it get that far - they've built their business on the Guarantee and wouldn't want bad press over it.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

my stub hub cubs story...
got tix on stub hub in the upper deck for tomorrow's cubs game...for some reason they didn't show up. fed ex didn't have them, stub hub didn't know where they were, just gone.

so i call them, and they say basically "well, whatever happens, we'll get you equal or better tix at no cost to you." i was a bit skeptical, but decided to wait and see.

so two days later they offer me new tix. they say "the seller would like to know if you'd accept section 127 row 1?"

so now i'll be front row on the field with the fam for tomorrow's game...pretty sweet...

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually
You'll be about 10 rows off the field. Still, very, VERY good seats.

by scotteboy on Aug 22, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?
do they have some weird name for the sections up there, or something? att park always confuses me...such a pain....

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goes like this
Club boxes (2 digit aisle numbers)
Field Box (100 level)
Terrace Box (200 level)
Terrace Reserved (200 level)

etc, etc

You will most definitely NOT be disappointed in your seats, though. Might have a little foot traffic on the aisle in front of you, but the ushers down there do a pretty good job of minimizing it.

by scotteboy on Aug 22, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

stubhub IS offering a full refund.
I just got an e mail. Oddly this was my first ever PURCHASE from them. I usually sell. I called this  morning to find out what was happening. I spent nearly $300 including fees on two good boxes for a client of my mothers. My feeling was all I wanted back was the face value of the tickets ( about $110) I figure that is the risk a buyer takes. They called the season ticket holder  and he was going to mail me the replacements which again was fine with me. Now I got an e mail saying they would refund the ENTIRE amount if I send them the tickets. Even better.
I should have known they would because I helped someone earlier this season get a refund from stubhub on the earlier rain out.
Worst part though was that stubhub now has VERY long waits on the phone service.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Aug 22, 2007 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"For intensive purposes"
OK, I'm a teacher and I can't let this go.

The phrase is "For all intents and purposes."  Not "Intensive purposes."  You wouldn't want to reinforce people's stereotypes about the University of Nebraska, would you?

This one is right up there with "It's a doggie dog world" on student papers.  

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Aug 22, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
Point taken.  But is it time for recess yet?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO
"Doggie dog world". That's hilarious.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that one
Doggie dog world?  That's Snoop.

by Villeslgr on Aug 22, 2007 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's one of common mispronounced/used phrases
(and so is "intentsive purposes") according to this website:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html

I thought some of the other ones were good too.

by lji001 on Aug 22, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
Like PIN Number, or ATM Machine.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: it's one of common mispronounced/used phrases
Old-timer's disease/Alzheimer's disease

My wife would kill me for posting this, but she has a cousin who makes this mistake constantly. It wouldn't be that bad if he wasn't an administrator at a nursing home!

You know you're not in high finance/Considering getting secondhand underpants

by daver on Aug 22, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

am i the only one
until just now, i thought it was "card shark"

well thats embarrasing

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs" - Alvin Dark

by holycow07 on Aug 22, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess its a "blessing in the skies"
That you found a link to that website and figured it out.  

I must confess that there were a couple I didn't know - "spit and image" rather than "spitting image", who knew?

by SuperContext on Aug 22, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i had a student once include
"alot" and "alittle" on a paper. i thought it was fantastic.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 22, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent comeback...
last night! I was bummed by the 8th, but thought 'hey this kid Lincecum deserves this game.' Kind of reminds me of Roy Oswalt, size and velocity. Anyway, go D'Backs and Fish!
You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Aug 22, 2007 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Great game
That was a pretty great game. Lincecum looked like he owned the Cubs last night, no matter the strike zone. That kid was filthy and even though he ended up taking the loss, he pitched well enough to win for sure. Welcome, Timmy, to Rich Hill's world.

Anyhow, I think last night I was most impressed by how Marquis settled down and was able to not mentally lose it like he has so many times after struggling. I thought "Bad Marquis" was going to be in full effect after that first inning but I'm glad I was proven wrong. About the only other time I didn't feel he was in complete control of what he was doing and what was going on was after that one out triple to Omar. But again, great job of buckling down and just going for it.

Another positive was Scott Eyre, who looked like the guy who used to trot out there last year. Hopefully this builds his confidence and allows him to be an asset down the stretch. Lord knows he could come in handy.

And finally, when Floyd hit that single in the ninth it was one of the more special moments I've watched this year. I can't even imagine the emotion that must have been filling him at that moment and I thought the shots of the dugout going crazy were especially great. The team needed that and, most of all Cliff needed that. Maybe that will be the inspiration we need to rattle off a good last month and a half. As I drove home from work yesterday I had to listen to some sports talk radio show hosts talk about how the D'Backs and Mariners were playing inspired baseball and that that has been the key to their success. Let's hope what happened with Cliff last night has that kind of effect on the Cubbies.

It felt special last night. Let's hope it continues.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Floyd
Nice to see Floyd get that big hit.  He's been excellent all season with runners in scoring position and it's nice to see him pick up where he left off.  Hopefully the break gave him a chance to clear his head a little and his power numbers start coming around.  The Cubs desperately need his bat down the stretch.  GO CUBS!!!

by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Dare I say it?
It was a must win game :)
Distracted. That's a funny word. I wonder if anyone ever gets tracted.

by CyberCyclist on Aug 22, 2007 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Tonight?
Who is pitching tonight and anyone know what was decided with Big Z considering his 40ish pitch effort last time out?

by paulucla on Aug 22, 2007 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Rich Hill tonight.
Z tomorrow.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the long-awaited (at least by me)...
...Zito vs. Hill matchup. I'm so stoked! Too bad I have to work. Ugh.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 22, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can sleep when you're dead..
This is a pennant race!
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 22, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Work shmurk...
look at us!
MMMMM...Mannys corned beef and a latke

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 22, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Tonight?
Zambrano pitches Thursday, a day earlier than normal.  Rich Hill pitches tonight.

by grogg2434 on Aug 22, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tonight Brewers have to face
Brandon Webb......tough.
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Aug 22, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: Tonight Brewers have to face
Let's hope Webb can stop the bleeding. It frustrates me to no end when these so-called "great" teams play the Cubs' chief rivals and instantly fall to pieces. I believe this happened with the Colorado Rockies earlier this season, too.
You know you're not in high finance/Considering getting secondhand underpants

by daver on Aug 22, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: the rockies swept the brewers
Oh OK. I must be thinking of another team then. Or I'm just plain wrong. Or something.
You know you're not in high finance/Considering getting secondhand underpants

by daver on Aug 22, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think
It always seems that the other team is rolling over for your rival.  C'mon, you know you got mad that the Reds didn't sweep the Brewers.  I know I did.

by Chad @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 22, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: I think
Yeah, you're probably right. Although I was pretty happy with how the Reds handled the Brewers. What pisses me off about this D'Backs series is the games don't even seem that close. Arizona does seem to be rolling over.
You know you're not in high finance/Considering getting secondhand underpants

by daver on Aug 22, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Web's on the bump tonight
and it's really hard to not split a 4 gamer.  Don't be surprised to see the D-Bags win the next two.

And the D-bags were red hot, they had to cool off at some point. To bad for us it came against our rival.  let's just hope Z throws a gem tomorrow which will garner either a series win or a sweep then go down to the desert and kill the snakes like our name was St. Patrick.

I declare August 24th "SNAKE WHACKING DAY!!"

by Chad @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 22, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 games
It is only a 3 game series, Mil is off on Thursday.

by john62 on Aug 22, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

well crap!
so as long as we win tonight and Webb does his thing, we aight.

by Chad @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 22, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

gentlemen
start your whacking.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 22, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

As the Baby Backs
have been playing WAY over their heads this season, this could be when they come back to the mean. Obviously, not tonight....with Webb pitching....but I'd like to see the 'Backs come back to reality when the Cubs are in town....

Just as the Cubs streak came to an end, it's possible the same is happening to the Diamondbacks.

But let the downward spiral continue Friday, not tonight.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 22, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not the best game of the season
I would have to say the best game of the season was the first one in the series against the Brewers where Ramirez hit the walk off. At that point we were still 6.5 out of first. Remember we were down by five runs after the first, held the Brewers there and then came back. It was fun. It was exciting. It was at home.
The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Aug 22, 2007 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

That was great
So was the game against Colorado when the Cubs blew a huge lead in the top of the 9th and then scored 2 in the bottom of the 9th to win it.

by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree
What was great about those two games was that one was on Monday and the other on Friday, and it was during our longest (7) winning streak of the season. It was during that "We Can't Lose" part of the season. I would really like to get bacck to that.
The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Aug 22, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe this game...
... can send them on a streak like that. It has more impact now because it's later in the season.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope so
Would love to see a 9 of 10 streak starting now.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was good to see them come back
I stayed up to the end of the game hoping that we would come back, but pretty much assuming that Lincecum would finish us off. I'm glad I was wrong.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 22, 2007 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Deja Vu
Did anyone else have a feeling of deja vu last night? It totally felt like 2003 to me, game 6 of the playoffs.

Hot young rookie on the mound breezing through the lineup, and then, in the span of 5 minutes have it all totally unravel.

I felt a little bad for Lincecum but on the other hand Dusty, er, Bochy should never have had a reliever up and ready at the beginning of the inning.

It was nice to be on the other side this time :)

by Thos on Aug 22, 2007 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

whoops
Bochy should have had a reliever up and ready at the beginning of the inning.

Thats what i meant to say

by Thos on Aug 22, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he did
I thought I remembered a replay where he had a right and a lefty up. You can't put that all on Bochy really, as their pen has been bad and Lincecum was rolling along. Even when the pen did come in they didn't exactly put out the fire.
I think you're right though. Not sure you should have allowed him to continue after Theriot hit that double. You have the lefty up and ready, might as well bring him in and force Lou to go to someone like Murton or Fox in that situation. Must be a San Fran way of managing.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The guy
had thrown about 80-something pitches at that point and was absolutely cruising.  I can't fault Bochy for keeping him in after the double, particularly considering the state of their bullpen.

by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

True
He was cruising, but would you rather face Jones, who has been a good hitter since the ASB, or Murton/Fox? I think in that situation you for Lou to go to either Murton, who has struggled lately, or Fox, who hasn't exactly hit the cover off the ball in limited ABs either. We can second guess him all we want, obviously, but there is more than one way to look at things in this case. You can't fault Bochey for sticking with a guy who had just looked out of this world dominant through 8 innings, but the 9th is a different beast and you have to treat it as such.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

leaving him in
in all honesty, i think this was a move by bochy that was more for lincecum to get experience, and one for the fans, rather than a move to win the game. the giants have nothing left to play for this year, so bochy went with the kid just to let him see what it felt like to go out there for the 9th.

for some reason lincecum was really late coming out of the dugout before the 9th, and when he did finally pop out he got a great ovation from the giants fans. they don't have a lot to cheer for out here, so that was nice.

true, he blew the game with some nervy pitching. but the experience will be good for him. he's gonna be filthy for years to come...

and really, it's not like the giants have anyone in their bullpen anyway...

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true
That kid is going to be a beast for a long time. Nice to give them something to cheer about in San Fran that doesn't involve some blown up jerk. Glad we got the last cheer though.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't have that high a pitch count anyway
Bochy went with the hot hand. It was hard to see the kid would fall off like that after 8 innings. He was less than 90 pitches after 8, correct?

Though in the 9th, his pitches were flat. TheRiot's double had little break to it and the kid beautifully went the other way.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: leaving him in
I would agree with you about why Lincecum was left in and the following Bochy quote from this San Francisco Chronicle article seems to support your assertion:
It's a good experience for him. I can tell you now, he's going to be pitching in a lot of tight ballgames and closing some of his own.

The article also reveals that Lincecum left the clubhouse without addressing the media. (So did catcher Bengie Molina, who to my eyes appeared uncomfortable and rather peevish throughout the game.)

If Lincecum would have pulled it off and pitched a complete game, it would have been a huge landmark in this very talented youngster's career. As things turned out, it was just a moderately heartbreaking loss -- and, as Bochy contends, a big experience builder -- in a lost season for this aged, light-hitting San Francisco team.

Great performance by Marquis. Great comeback by the bats. Great moment for Uncle Cliffy. Great win for the Cubs.

You know you're not in high finance/Considering getting secondhand underpants

by daver on Aug 22, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know
how Cliff Floyd got the "Uncle" nickname?
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 22, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: Does anyone know
I'm not sure where the nickname came from. To be honest, I kinda thought it was because Cliff is, in baseball terms at least, somewhat old.
You know you're not in high finance/Considering getting secondhand underpants

by daver on Aug 22, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I too
believe it is cause he is sort of old and fragile...but our good uncle sure delivered last night huh?

I am glad for him too, his dad would be/is proud of him (depending on your belief systems).

MMMMM...Mannys corned beef and a latke

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 22, 2007 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny story
I worked with his family at our hospital when his dad was here and his mom told me that she knew they called him "glass".
MMMMM...Mannys corned beef and a latke

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 22, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: I assume...
Wow, that's lame. Scary lame.
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by daver on Aug 22, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know the root, but there are instances
of athletes named Cliff being called Uncle Cliffy before the Cubs Mr. Floyd.  The now ancient NBA player Cliff Robinson was called Uncle Cliffy in Portland in 1992 and I believe it had occurred before.

by N Oakley on Aug 22, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullpen
The Bullpen didn't get up until Jones' single. Thats why Lincecum had to face Lee - cause they were't warm at all.

I'm not faulting Bochy for letting Lincecum start the ninth - but he should have had an insurance reliever warm and ready to go at the start of the inning - it was a classic Dusty move - be so afraid of your bullpen you let your starter blow the game.

by Thos on Aug 22, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh and...
i'm pretty sure the bullpen was up right away. they sent lincecum back out there, and let him take his warm ups alone to enjoy the moment. but bochy had guys up in the bullpen while theriot was batting. maybe they didn't show it on tv, but they were definitely up.

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Were you there?
(not asking this to be snide - just honestly curious if you saw something we didnt)

I swear (and I have been wrong before) the camera showed the two reliever jogging down to the bullpen AFTER Jones' single. Again, I could be wrong but I think that is what I saw.

I'd be interested to hear Al's take on this.

by Thos on Aug 22, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't recall...
... seeing anyone warming up at the start of the 9th inning, and we had a good view of the Giants' bullpen down the LF line.

I figured with Lincecum's low pitch count and great stuff they were going to try to let him finish no matter what.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected then
Must have been the late night or something but I thought I saw them up before Lincecum took the mound in the 9th.

Also, you all have convinced me I'm wrong to have second guessed not taking him out. I guess in a season as lost as theirs you have to build for the future.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

correct
You are right Al. There was no one warming up to begin the 9th. They were planning on Lincecum to throw in the 9th.
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Aug 22, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i was there
but in all honesty, i'm a bit fuzzy about EXACTLY when they got up.

i just remember that lincecum was the last guy out of the dugout so he could get a nice ovation, and that they weren't up when he ran out of the dugout.

but i remember seeing the guys run down to the pen just a touch later, and i remember thinking to myself "that was a veteran manager move" because it let lincecum and the whole ballpark know that the kid was out there to try and finish it, but that these guys would be ready just in case.

so i think it was when theriot was still up, but i guess it could be when jones was up. either way, they were up well before the wheels came off, i think....

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

giants bullpen off topic note
i was watching an A's-Giants game on tv out here, on the A's channel, and they were kind of making fun of the giants stadium. they said that it's now a major league requirement that bullpens not be put in foul ground for new stadiums. but that the giants somehow got around that requirement. and the announcer said that the kind of unspoken reason for this was that the giants "forgot" to put bullpens into the plan, so had to add them there at the last minute. which is why the bullpen pitchers all sit in the dugout, and have to run down there to warm up...

just thought that was funny, fwiw...

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

When was that made a rule?
I don't think those idiots on the A's telecasts have a clue. Petco Park opened 3 years ago with one of the 'pens in foul territory.

That, even when the pens were designed to both be in CF. The Padres pen was to be above the Visitors pen. However, Bruce Bochy wanted the lower pen -- putting the visitors closer to the fans.

Then, the Padres decided that area -- the 'upper' pen could be a 'party' area. So, the visitors pen went to the RF foul line.

The Padres pen wound up still being close to the fans -- which is what Bochy was trying to avoid.

Commerce won out.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 22, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup
And if the Cubs could figure out how to move the Wrigley pens under the bleachers, they'd do it; and extend the "bullpen box seats another 50-60 feet.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

they probably could
there is enough room for a batting cage.   it could probably be converted.

by Chad @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 22, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting
guess that's what i get for believing anything the TV says...

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the Giants feed
they showed guys furiously warming up in the pen immediately after the Theriot double. Like like just got up either right before or right after the hit. (just watched on MLB archive)
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by JohnM on Aug 22, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

They WERE up at the beginning of the 9th
I too was watching the Giants feed and saw Hennesey and Kline warming up b4 Lincecum even threw a single pitch in the 9th.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 22, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lincecum
A few things.  I hate giving credit to the opposing pitchers but last night, for 8 innings, Lincecum was untouchable.  I disagree that Mike Everitt had a larger strike zone for him, or a large strike zone at all for that matter.  Lincecum was just that good.  He made everyone in the lineup, with perhaps the exception of Jason Kendall, look like they were competing in the LLWS.  Just an awesome performance for 8 innings.

Actually, as it was unfolding, it sort of reminded me more of an outing a young Paul Wilson had against the Cubs some years ago at Wrigley that was spoiled by a Sosa bomb in the ninth inning.  Kind of the young gun versus everyone else and in the end the kid got beat.  While it wasn't with the flair of the Sosa bomb, the result was indeed the same.  

And let's not predict a long, incredible career for young Lincecum.  Haven't we tried that before with one of our own?  Let's just let his career play out before those easy comments are made.  He's got a long way to go but he's immensely talented and for nearly the entire night last night, was the best player on the field.  

And in the end, the Cubs won.  Good times.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Aug 22, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: Lincecum
Yeah, it should be interesting to see how Lincecum's career pans out. He throws hard and has a pretty violent windup.

One interesting detail the TV broadcast caught last night was the fact that Lincecum was throwing so hard that his jersey actually became untucked from the front his pants.

I'd be curious to know how anyone out there with a deep knowledge of pitching mechanics would assess Lincecum's prospects for a long career. Steve Stone is particularly good at this. (I am not.)

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by daver on Aug 22, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed, it's early days for him...
and i'm pretty much the opposite of someone with "with a deep knowledge of pitching mechanics," but...

his mechanics look good to me. he doesn't throw a slurve. he doesn't seem to be putting his arm in bad positions. he stays on top, doesn't throw across his body, etc.

out here in sf, whenever they interview him or talk about him they always talk about how he "uses his entire body" for his windup. his quote is always "even my little toe." and it's true. when you watch him, he's pretty little, but gets his whole body behind his pitches, rather than just slingshotting his arm.

agreed it's early. but i like his future.

by billywan on Aug 22, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here you go
Here's the best article I've seen on Lincecum and his funky delivery. These guys, to be frank, love him. But it's a great read.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/mechanics/discussion/controlled_fury_tim_lincecum/

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: Here you go
Wow, thanks so much for posting. This is exactly what I was looking for. Those animated frames are always cool, too.
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by daver on Aug 22, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anytime
I know The Hardball Times did a feature like this on Phil Hughes and I believe even (gasp) Mark Prior. They also did a great breakdown of the draft picks from this year with little animation frames for each of them. All great reads.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prior
Here's a video analysis of Mark Prior. Very interesting but tough to read. All that potential.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/breaking-down-the-broken-down-a-video-analysis-of-mark-pri or/

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best point made by Lou for everyone:
"Every game is important from here on out."

He said this on the pregame last night and it's so true. This is a what, a 38 game season now? One loss here or there is not enough to sink this Cubs ship. We need long sustained positive play that enables us to win series, sweep some series and avoid any losing streaks at all. 2 of 3 the rest of the way would sure be nice. 3 of 5 is a necessity.

Last night was what good teams do in a stretch drive, and we're in the middle of one now. Good start on this west coast swing, and good pitching from Marquis sure helped!

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Aug 22, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Great game last night
Incredibly exciting pitcher's duel. I was excited to see Marquis up to the challenge of facing a young gun like that. He actually put up some K's, something he hasn't done much of as of late.

I am visiting my folks in Sacramento and will be attending the game tonight, my first MLB game of the season. I cannot say how excited I am. Let's go take another series.

Go Cubs.

by bloomerang on Aug 22, 2007 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Wrigley Field West
That is what the Giants radio announcer called AT & T Park in the post game radio show last night. He sounded like he was asking the Giants fans to be more like the Cubs fans in making more noise for their team...and not to leave before the game ended. So many Giants fans left in the 8th inning that it looked like only the Cubs fans were left in my section. Lincecum was lights out through the 8th and Marquis looked very good after the 1st inning debacle. I wish that Derosa and Jones communicate more in the outfield. They did not look good together out there.

Best fan moment: 10-15 guys dressed up as Steve Bartman complete with glasses, earphones and matching shirts and caps. All the fans got a kick out of it. Good to meet Al at the park as well.

wccubfan

by wccubfan on Aug 22, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

How pathetic
Dressed up as Bartman?  Give me a break.

I guess you have to find something to cheer for when your favorite team is an absolute joke.

They should just focus on the 49'ers now.

by Kornchex on Aug 22, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you folks see...
...how many people dressed up that way for Halloween in '03? Obviously it was an "in the now" kind of thing to do then but wow, it tells you how many people think of the Cubs fortunes.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't see anyone dressed that way.
n/t
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by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was on the news a couple times
In the paper and even saw a couple costumes in specialty stores.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saw it too during the game
kinda wierd!
MMMMM...Mannys corned beef and a latke

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 22, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

SF bleachers
I didn't see the Bartmans last night, but I've seen them in previous years ... it's apparently a bit of a tradition now.

For what it's worth, the ratio of Cubs fans to Giants fans seemed lower in my part of the bleachers last night than in previous years, which is the opposite of what I would have expected given the standings. Or maybe it was just because I was in a different section.

by BJ on Aug 22, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent game
What an emotional turnaround. First the Diamondbacks comeback to tie it 2-2. Then Duane Kuiper announces for the 8000th time that they're broadcasting from the bleachers and that he's cold, then I turn back to see Milwaukee is up 7-2

 Then, after listening to Duane Kuiper announce for the 8001st time that they're broadcasting the game from the bleachers and that he's cold, I see Tim Lincecum just TOY with Daryl Ward. Remind me again who was the kid and who was the vet....it wasn't even close. And Mike Krukow, who is a VERY good color guy in my opinion, just said "They're simply  not going to hit him today."

But the Riot came through and everyone else knows what happened after that. Then Duane Kuiper told us he was cold.

Let's keep it going tonight!

"I can't be held responsible for what I personally tell my goons to do...."- C. Montgomery Burns

by yahoodi on Aug 22, 2007 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Sports Illustrated article.
Tom Verducci has this to say about the Cubs and Zambrano in today's SI.com:
"Nice job by the Cubs to get Carlos Zambrano at near-Barry Zito money for fewer years. That follows a below-market signing of Aramis Ramirez, picking a plum free-agent pitcher in Ted Lilly and winning the bid for Alfonso Soriano. 'Watch out for the Cubs,' said one GM. 'They're the most dangerous playoff team in the National League.' "

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 22, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Just keep 'em off the damned cover
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not Floyd AND Ward?
After finally seeing Floyd in his "natural" position in LF. It made me realize that we could be getting both Floyd and Ward into the lineup fairly regularly until Soriano returns.
  1. Theriot SS
  2. Jones CF
  3. Lee 1B
  4. Ramirez 3B
  5. Floyd RF
  6. DeRosa 2B
  7. Ward LF
  8. Kendall C
That lineup seems pretty deep from top to bottom. Not to mention the 3 lefties, which gives it some pretty good balance. Now, I'm still a Murton fan, but he kinda stopped hitting for 4 or 5 games and Floyd / Ward will probably more consistent than he will.

Obviously you change this up against lefty starters, but I think this is the most potent lineup the Cubs have right now against RHP

by WittyUserName on Aug 22, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Still want Kendall in the #2 slot
OBP baby..., OBP.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

3 games
Actually its three games started for Murton.  4 games back was 2 for 5 and 5 games back was 1 for 3 with two walks.  (And he had the only hit in the game that was washed out..) The fact is that EVERY player goes through periods where they hit and do not hit.   But once again the instant gratification Cub fans look at a three game period and say "Aha.  A Young Player has proved that he's a failure".

by frustratedfan on Aug 22, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Woah Woah Woah
I said that I'm a Murton fan. I think he'll be a solid MLB player. But Ward has been producing and is a lefty, and Floyd, although not hitting for power, has had his AVG around .290 all year. One of the things that troubles me right now about Murton, is that he found ways to get on base last year. Now I see a lot of first pitch fly balls.

I still like Murton, but if you'd rather have Murton's bat over Ward or Floyd's on a semi-regular basis, well I guess I'll just have to disagree with you there.

The range of those guys is obviously an issue, but our corner OF has pretty much been throwing caution to wind with the defense anyways, I mean Ward in RF? But you can kind of hide Ward in LF, and Floyd isn't totally abysmal in RF. Maybe this idea isn't the best in the cavernous AT&T, but certainly is an option for smaller outfields.

by WittyUserName on Aug 22, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

murton floyd
now murton does have more homers in less at bats than floyd.  i think a strict platoon between the two is the best bet.
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by kylejo on Aug 22, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not bad
However in the ballpark we are playing in now you can't afford to have to guys with as limited range as Floyd and Ward out there. Those gaps are just too large.

Also, I think you just opened up the Matt Murton can of worms. I do not like that can at all when it is opened.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good gap comment
Need a bit more speed than Floyd or Ward but hey, it worked last night.

As for Matty. I've liked the kid since he had a good BA against both righties and southpaws last season. Able to go the other way. Fielding OK at best.

Think he's just not been given a long enough look this year. Difficult situation that is in the OF for sweet Lou.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I think you are fine having one of them out there, but I think it has to be in left and not right. That gap in RF in San Fran is just a valley.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perception and Reality
Our perceptions of a player do not always agree with the reality as reflected in statistics.  Take, for example, judging a player's fielding ability.   We nearly always judge the player who makes the circus catches as the "better" fielder.  But often the circus catch is a result of getting a bad read on the ball or being out of position.   One of the best examples of this is Cal Ripken, who many claimed was a "sure handed" shortstop with limited range.  In fact, because of his arm, he played further back than most shortstops and in his prime had more range than most of the shortstops in baseball.  

Perceptions do not always reflect reality. Look at the numbers.

by frustratedfan on Aug 22, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly
That's what pissed me off about some comments on Ryno before his HoF election; he didn't get his jersey dirty.

Why? 'Cause he was such a good fielder (Mr. Morgan) that he got to the ball without having to dive for it!

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
I think this is the way Sweet Lou will go against right handers.  In the more spacious ballparks like SF I can understand why Lou would put DeRosa in right and Fontenot at 2nd to increase the range a bit.

by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

For those who didn't like Kuiper and Krukow...
last night. Apparently MLB didn't like them either. If you go to MLB.com and watch the highlight of the ninth inning, you'll watch the video with the audio of the radio broadcast by Jon Miller. And BTW, sounds much better than the TV crew. There's also Pat and Ron's call of Floyd's single (actually Pat's call and Ron's cheering). It's free. Enjoy.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 22, 2007 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Krukow
And his damn flipping of the baseball was driving me NUTS!!!

by EliasTirade on Aug 22, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the commenting on EVERY pitch!
Krukow was a major nuisance last night. Especially since he was outta the booth and could do none of the shtick he usually does with the eliminating etc.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 22, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis
Great comeback for the team! I'm glad Jason didn't get a loss on his 29th birthday!!!

Let's hope the momentum keeps up the rest of the series!

"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.

by No Southern Belle on Aug 22, 2007 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Did anyone else laugh...
...when Vizquel hit that ball into the Cubs bullpen and it almost hit the pink backpack?

(And was that an impressive throw by DeRosa or what?)

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by daver on Aug 22, 2007 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Who had the backpack???
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 22, 2007 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: Who had the backpack???
No one. It was lying conspicuously unattended under that ugly silver bench that DeRosa had to reach under to get to the ball.

That's part of what made it so funny. Here you have this otherwise innocuous-looking bullpen and lying there beneath the bench is a cute little pink backpack.

I guess Carmen Pignatiello would be the keeper of the backpack now, no?

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by daver on Aug 22, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seeing the
backpack made me laugh. I think it was Bob that called it the "My Little Kitty" backpack. Very cute.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 22, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't laughing...
I was screaming $%#@#%^# at the tv.
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by SackMan on Aug 22, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

wind?
He and Tim Lincecum mowed down batting orders one after the other in the cool San Francisco evening, even with a fairly stiff wind blowing out -- I don't think that has as much effect as a similar wind blowing out at Wrigley Field.

From where I sat (CF bleachers) it felt like the wind was at our backs as often as not. The wind tends to swirl in the park, and I don't think the wind at the flags necessarily corresponds to what's happening over the field (plus, the flags often don't agree with each other). In any event, it didn't seem to me like a steady wind in any direction. A few fly balls actually appeared to get held up in the wind.

by BJ on Aug 22, 2007 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Yea...
According to mlb's box score:
Wind: 16 mph, In from RF.

The broadcasters talked about the wind blowing in also.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 22, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Due respect to Floyd but
the biggest hit of the night by far was Theriot's double. It'll only go into the record books as a typical routine hit, but it was huge.

Too bad it can't truly be measured by any of the normal stats.

It's not too late to go to Soto

by tharr on Aug 22, 2007 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Ha
The easiest way to do that is to make a negative remark about Murton.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

... or a positive one.
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by BlueSox on Aug 22, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely
I vote a diary be created and stickied for all murton arguments.  I don't know about yall, but i get tired of seeing the same back and forth posts about 3 times a week.

by jbowling13 on Aug 22, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's kind of
Orangy
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Aug 22, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

sigh...here we go again...
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by daver on Aug 22, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha
We can all agree he has red hair at least right? Pleast God, let us agree on this.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

BCB Shark Chum
  1.  Matt Murton is/is not...
  2.  Stats versus Intangibles
  3.  Theriot is/is not an MLB every day SS
  4.  Ward is/is not an adequate RF
  5.  D Lee is not hitting HRS at the same rate, therefore he is/is not still and elite player.
  6.  Pie should be in Chicago/Des Moines.
  7.  Soriano should bat __
etc.

by N Oakley on Aug 22, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

and K. Hill
Is/is not responsible for the success of his battery mate

by El Borto on Aug 22, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oooo
Pie is/is not responsible for the record the team has when he plays.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 22, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton is not an everyday MLB LF!
He belongs in Iowa for more seasoning and a few cycles of illegal muscle building drugs to enhance his(lack of) power.

by Itchy on Aug 22, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten
that all comments needed your prior approval.
It's not too late to go to Soto

by tharr on Aug 22, 2007 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ginger of day-walker
The extremely red hair makes me think ginger, but complexion is close to that of a day-walker.

(Southpark reference for those wondering)

by jbowling13 on Aug 22, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

...and I'm still wondering...
What's a day-walker?
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 22, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
And it appears that the South Park gang got it from the Blade trilogy -- the movies with Wesley Snipes.
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by BlueSox on Aug 22, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

murton
definitely a daywalker.  he doesnt have the signature freckle patern.

 what an amazing south park by the way, i may go so far as to say it is my favorite.  

Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Aug 22, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be up all night watching the game
I only get so many chances on wgn nowadays.  Tomorrow may be a coffee/energy drink day, but for the cubbies, i'm willing to sacrifice.

by lilkimmer77 on Aug 22, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Hehe
Now that's a sacrifice I can live with.
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by BlueSox on Aug 22, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This sacrifice is nothing
During the Houston series, I went to the Tuesday night game, which got out about 10:30pm, and drove 3 hours in the middle of the night to be back in San Antonio for work by 7am.

BTW, both times I stopped (once about 50 miles out of Houston and once about 50 miles outside of San Antonio) there were other Cubs fans there who were also at the game.  Cubbie Blue was all throughout south texas that night.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW. HD Scoreboard in San Fran!
I'm impressed. I bet that looked awesome Al
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by SackMan on Aug 22, 2007 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Other common (writing) errors
I see every semester, as a composition adjunct here in Michigan:

then/than confusion
defiantly/definitely (one of my personal faves)
their/there/they're

Oh, there are many more. Grading can be quite an experience, especially with the wife looking over my shoulder saying, "Just fail'em all!"

"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Aug 22, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

How about
Using the phrase "whether or not".  Since using the word "whether" already means it is or it isn't, the added "or not" is completely redundant and quite irritating.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Aug 22, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

whether
"Whether" works fine on its own in most contexts: "I wonder whether Lee will hit a homer tonight?" But when you mean "regardless of whether" it has to be followed by "or not" somewhere in the sentence: "We need to win this game in Frisco tonight whether the Cardinals and Brewers win or not."

just sayin'

by EliasTirade on Aug 22, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going forward..
Nothing bothers me more than this bit of corporate speak. If we are speaking in the future tense, isn't the phrase "going forward" redundant?

Worse, on business channels such as CNBC an analyst is often asked "What is your forcast GOING FORWARD?"

Isn't a forcast ALWAS a forward looking statement??

End rant.

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 22, 2007 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the grammar will continue to get worse
It's a byproduct of the instant and text message generation.

by jbowling13 on Aug 22, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

in today's society
the then/than thing is maddening. we have a word for suchlike: engfish. i'm not sure why.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 22, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bring and take
I'm hearing this one all the time.  People say bring when they should say take.  The simple rule is "take it there, bring it here."  I constantly here people say "I'll bring it" when they are going somewhere.

Another related one is come and go.  It's the same rule, "Go there, come here."

Or, how about the use of "I" as an object as in "He gave the cake to my wife and I."

Distracted. That's a funny word. I wonder if anyone ever gets tracted.

by CyberCyclist on Aug 22, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

people have become "me" shy...
...and in turn, rather than using "me" where it belongs, people over-correct themselves by using "I" or "myself" instead. that can definitely be a bit irritating...

i'm not quite sure that anyone, anymore, understands the proper places to use "whom" either. i've also noticed that many are not quite sure on their "a" vs. "an" when it come to  words such as "hour. "

oh well.... i have no place for comment, as i tend to miss the "shift" key with the majority of my comments, and might as well be wearing mittens when it comes to my typographical accuracy.

by bobby h on Aug 22, 2007 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about
your and you're and its and it's?  Contractions have wreaked havoc on the English language.  I'll contact Mayor Quimby to see if he'll go on a fact finding mission to investigate the feasibility of banning all contractions.
Distracted. That's a funny word. I wonder if anyone ever gets tracted.

by CyberCyclist on Aug 22, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO CONTRACTIONS???
Wha'dya mean?
You're crazy!!
That'd suck!!
I'd be lost!!!

by EliasTirade on Aug 22, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed
I remember getting into a big debate years ago with a roommate over the word "irregardless". I kept telling him it was redundant and not a word, but he wouldn't have it.

I also see, and man is it grating, a lot of "I should of [verb, etc]" instead of "I should have" or "could have". Ugh.

"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Aug 22, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe what my one little
grammar error caused... lol!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

This is what happens
when the Cubs play late night games on the West coast and everyone is bored waiting for the game.  Besides, it's better than another Murton argument.
Distracted. That's a funny word. I wonder if anyone ever gets tracted.

by CyberCyclist on Aug 22, 2007 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton
SUCKS

...at grammar!

by EliasTirade on Aug 22, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

But only because
he doesn't write every day.  If he did, he'd have the best grammar in the world.

by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
Blame Lou.

I mean, we see the grammarian HE turned out to be.  

by EliasTirade on Aug 22, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
If only that illiterate Lou would let him write.

by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton
is a professor emeritus in language studies at Cornell.  He retired from teaching in order to play baseball.  He received his PhD from the University of California, Berkeley in language studies at the age of fourteen.  He would have been first in his class, but he was too busy helping Webster decide whether to include the word, d'oh, in the dictionary and what the official definition would be.
Distracted. That's a funny word. I wonder if anyone ever gets tracted.

by CyberCyclist on Aug 22, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO
This entire thread turning into a grammar discussion is making me laugh out loud. Good stuff, everyone!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats..
a whole nuther argument..a personal favorite of mine..:)
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 22, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano
After checking the schedule, I'm concerned with Z pitching this Thurs. It appears he will miss the entire ST.L series as well as the makeup game in Wrigley.  I'd sure like to see him throw at least once more agaisnt them!

by KedzieKid on Aug 22, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Some more time-wasting until the game thread
Remember the Hey Lou Piniella song?

Some Cards or Brewers fan made a rebuttal...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wC0RUqyqpXA

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

wait
Aren't Mac, Jerko and Harry CHICAGO radio personalities???

by EliasTirade on Aug 22, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure
As I'm not in Chicago...

...but the video speaks for itself.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 22, 2007 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

More Silly Grammer While Waiting for the Game
My pet peeve is when someone says "I wish I was a ballplayer" instead of "I wish I were a ballplayer".  Didn't they learn that in those situations the verb is in the subjunctive case, and you must use "were" and not "was"??

by zevkalman on Aug 22, 2007 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The Spelling Police Remind You...
... that it's spelled

GRAMMAR

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops!
Yeah, that was a typo!  See my joke below....

by zevkalman on Aug 22, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grammar and a joke....
A girl from Chicago and a girl from the West Coast were seated side by side on an airplane.

The girl from Chicago, being friendly and all said, "So, where ya from?"

The West Coast girl said, "From a place where they know better than to use a preposition at the end of a sentence."

The girl from Chicago sat quietly for a few moments and then replied:  "So, where ya from.... bitch?"

by zevkalman on Aug 22, 2007 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I love that joke
Although I learned it as a "rube" visiting Harvard with his son.

phat

by phatass on Aug 22, 2007 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

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