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The Ace Is Wild

It wasn't just Carlos Zambrano being wild last night -- although that was a big part of the problem, not walks but the two times he hit Rickie Weeks, because he scored on one of them, and also got a hit and scored on that one, too.

The critical error made by Ryan Theriot, dropping a Mark DeRosa throw in the Brewers' four-run seventh inning, was the play on which the Cubs' 6-1 loss to the Brewers turned, and here I'm going to blame a guy I've praised so often -- DeRosa.

What was he thinking, making that throw? Here's the game situation: one out, runner on first, Z reaching about the end of the line. In my opinion, DeRosa had ZERO chance to throw Weeks out at second base; he should have taken the easy out at first. This would have left Weeks on second with two out, the score still 2-1, and Prince Fielder due up.

Obviously, then Fielder would have been intentionally walked, and Carlos Marmol, who was up three or four different times without getting into the game, would have come on to face Ryan Braun. Instead, Fielder singled, loading the bases, and then Braun smacked a double over Aramis Ramirez' head, scoring two runs and chasing Z in favor of Scott Eyre, who's been good lately. Not last night, though; Eyre gave up two straight hits, putting the game out of reach, but when he ended the inning with a double play ball from Johnny Estrada, Eyre's ERA actually went down to 5.14. Kerry Wood and Michael Wuertz at least didn't give up any more runs, and despite having runners in scoring position in the 8th and 9th off Derrick Turnbow and Francisco Cordero (odd to see Cordero in a non-save situation, but the Brewers have been so bad lately that Cordero hadn't thrown at all in eight days).

And that was that. Here are some numbers you wouldn't expect -- the club's record with each of the five current starting pitchers:

Zambrano: 14-14 Lilly: 14-13 Marquis: 17-10 Hill: 12-14 Marshall: 9-8


(The six other games were started by Angel Guzman, 1-2, and Wade Miller, 0-3.)
And that's our $90 million ace? I love Z, love his passion for the game, love his fastball, even love watching him swing the bat so hard it could have almost pushed back the wind blowing in pretty hard from center field last night. But he's got to start winning. Bruce Miles wonders, too:
"You know, I'm waiting for the guy that won nine in a row earlier in the year," Lou Piniella said, citing a stretch from June 6-July 29, when Zambrano actually went 9-2. "I don't know what the problem is, but he certainly hasn't been pitching like he was when he was on that streak."


Last night was coolish, with the wind blowing in, so no one was going to hit the ball out of the park (Weeks nearly did leading off the game, pushing Cliff Floyd back to the ivy to catch his fly ball, and Floyd briefly had to be checked out by the training staff), and though it was announced as another sellout of 40,512 (raising the season average to 40,079), there were blocks of empty seats in the upper deck. Some of those in attendance in the bleachers brought rather lame-worded signs trying to play off the name "Sheets" -- they were, in fact, so lame I can't even remember them to replicate them here.
I wanted to say something here about some of the name-calling that I've found (and had some emails about) in the game threads. Look. No one is saying that every single comment has to be optimistic, or ignore bad play. But as has been noted in this diary, it is impossible for even the best baseball team of every season to go 162-0. Sometimes teams are going to lose and look really bad doing it -- and the next day they could come out and look like champions. Unload your angst if you must but I will insist on this -- no insulting or name-calling of other posters here!!! If you want your opinions respected, the least you can do is respect the thoughts of others.
Thanks. Now, a couple of final thoughts of my own. Take a look at the current records of the ten (yes, TEN) teams that are still, on August 30, within 5.5 games of a playoff spot (listed in percentage order):
NYM  73 59 .553 SD   73 59 .553 ARI  74 60 .552 PHI  70 62 .530 LAD  70 63 .526 ATL  69 65 .515 CUBS 67 64 .511 COL  68 65 .511 MIL  66 66 .500 STL  64 65 .496


Not only are all those teams still within striking distance of either a division lead or the wild card lead, but from top to bottom those ten are only separated by 7.5 games. That, this late in the season, is unprecedented. It ought to make for a wild finish. In the meantime, despite yesterday's loss, the Cubs still remain 1.5 games in first place, and in case you don't have an idea of how to handle that, I'll give the final word to Mike:

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lou
some blame has to go to lou for not pulling zambrano earlier. afterall, carlos does have a propensity to lose focus after his defense gives an extra out.

btw, isn't marmol #1 in mlb as far as inherited runners is concerned?

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the comment on Lou.
Z looked gassed and frustrated with the bases loaded and I thought at the time that someone else should face Braun.

I also threw up a little in my mouth when Eyre came in to face what appeared to be the one lefty, let the runner score, then was left in.

I had the pleasure of sitting in front of a couple of very large, very loud, mammals in brewer gear.  They must live by the motto of drink more/think less.  I saw a lot of well behaved brewer fans, wish I could have sat near them.

by N Oakley on Aug 30, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep..
My buddy and I both agreed Z looked gassed and thought for sure Piniella was going to pull him. My buddy commented that he didn't want to see Marmol brought in with the bags juiced with his tendency to be wild.

By the way..Piniella needs to have that baby..

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha
i've always thought that blue long sleeved shirt he wears looks like maternity clothing...

by numike on Aug 30, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For anyone who has visited Al, this cartoon
is pretty funny. Al, even you have to admit he's captured you. Wish I had another visit with you in the bleachers coming up but I'm left with the TV. Thanks for every great read thoughout the season.

I bet Lou in hindsight would have taken out Z. We can all see that Marmol should have came in now.

I stated in another diary Aram is pushing a little. Rest him or get him going, we need that RBI bat.

We're seeing quite a few lefties soon, let's get that taken care of starting today.

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Aug 30, 2007 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap!
From rotoworld:

The Cubs are expected to recall LHP Will Ohman when rosters expand on Sept. 1.
Ohman complained about a "barking" shoulder when he was demoted earlier this month, but he has pitched well at Triple-A. Catcher Geovany Soto, RHP Sean Gallagher IF Ronny Cedeno, IF Eric Patterson, LHP Carmen Pignatiello and RHP Rocky Cherry are also potential candidates to join the major league roster.

=====

why?

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 30, 2007 9:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe because he will make a difference
Ohman was put in a situation that was out of his element, meaning more than LOOGY-Lefty One-Out-GuY...

He has 12 holds and one save...

In April he made 10 appearances, 7.2-IP 4-ER, 8 of 10 no runs, in May 12 appearances, 5.1-IP, 5-ER, 10 of 12 no runs, in June 13 appearances 12-IP, 5-ER 9 of 12 no runs, in July 10 appearances, 5.2-IP, 1-ER, 9 of 10 no runs scored...in August 2 appearances 1.1-IP 5-ER...in essence why he was sent down in that he had 5 consecutive no run appearances until those two games.

Overall he has had 37 inherented runners and 5 have scored.

Ohman is an effective LOOGY...not much more.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way...
What was he thinking, making that throw? Here's the game situation: one out, runner on first, Z reaching about the end of the line. In my opinion, DeRosa had ZERO chance to throw Weeks out at second base; he should have taken the easy out at first.

Sorry Al - but that error is completely on Theriot.  DeRosa made a good throw, and he would have been out easily if Theriot would have caught the ball.

DeRosa made the right decision; Theriot blew the play.

Again - have you actually seen the replay?  

No way was that DeRosa's fault.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 30, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I still disagree.
Take the sure out, walk Fielder, and get Z out of there, because he was about gassed. Marmol could have handled Braun easily, inning over, still 2-1.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

derosa to theriot...
should have been a sure out. that play was a simple case of theriot trying to get two before he had one.
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree..
n/t
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sure out?
Second base was a sure out.  In the major leagues you don't anticipate that your shortstop is going to drop the ball.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "sure out"...
... on a routine ground ball to second base, is to throw to first.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...
... have you seen a replay?

The out at second shouldn't have been an issue.  It was the right decision, and Theriot blew it.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 30, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the replay.
It wasn't as routine as you make it sound. Theriot seemed a bit out of position. I'd still have taken the easy out at first.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot out of position
he was out of position because he was trying to turn a DP on a play he should've just straddled the base and taken the force

he was out of position because he was trying to get himself in position to make a quick throw to 1b

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly!
cart before the horse!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taken the force?
But that's not how players position themselves on such plays, is it? Weren't they set up in DP position?

I still think the inning would have come out just fine under my scenario.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the benefit
of hindsight, knowing Theriot was going to drop a routine throw, it's easy to say that.  But DeRosa made the right decision.  The minimal risk of throwing to second was worth the reward of keeping a runner out of scoring position.  Unfortunately Theriot dropped the ball.  Are you advocating that a fielder should never throw to 2nd base with 1 out in an inning?  Because I'm pretty sure any team that actually did that would give up a lot more runs in the long run versus a team that routinely threw to second.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not saying that.
It appeared to me on that particular play, DeRosa made the wrong choice, and Theriot wasn't in the right position to take the throw.

You're right that in 99% of similar situations, you try to get the lead runner.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

prior to the ball being hit
you're set up in DP position or not, once the ball is hit its the players discretion to choose whether they go for 2, take the force, or go to first base

theriot made the wrong decision trying to turn 2 on a play that would've been nearly impossible to turn 2 on and he dropped the ball

there are PLENTY of times during the year the DP Duo is in "DP Position" before the balls hit and they only get a force and hold the ball instead of throwing it to first

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The-Riot
has made 10 errors all year.

I just can't get on him too much...

Tuesday's game was much different for him.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much better than Cedeno's 25 Es
Last year
1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

STILL
You have to catch that ball. The position his body was in wasn't that bad, but the position of his mind  is the issue. You see it a hundred times. He was thinking about throwing the ball and turning two before he even caught it. As far as taking the sure out, I think either one are acceptable plays. It just seems worse because Theriot booted it. Its a clear error which shows Theriot at fault. Bottom line...if he catches it, its an out anyway you slice it.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Aug 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO, he
was mostly worried about getting injured. Not catching the ball.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the first
baseman can drop the ball just as easily as the shortstop can.  They're both pretty sure and you're taught to get the lead runner, particularly late in a tight game you don't want to let a guy get into scoring position when you can easily get him out.  DeRosa knew he had time and he made a good throw.  Theriot just dropped it.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, come on.
How many times is Derrek Lee going to drop a routine throw at first base?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many times
is Theriot gonna drop a throw at 2nd?  The difference isn't much.  That's a good risk to take if you can keep a guy out of scoring position in a 1-run game in the 7th inning.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
The "sure out"...

... on a routine ground ball to second base, is to throw to first.

so, you believe that it was imprudent of derosa to try and keep weeks out of scoring position in a 2-1 game?

if theiot does what any other ss would do in that situation, 99.9% of the time, the cubs would have had two outs with a runner on 1st.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't be series
about DeRosa.  He had Weeks out easily at second.  Theriot just dropped the ball.  

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Derosa made a nice play.  The ball glances off theriot glove - should have caught the ball.  On a lighter note, Santo's analysis of the play was quite comical.

by jbowling13 on Aug 30, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al
For backing my boy Theriot, but he should have completed that play at second.  We will need that level of play as the weeks move toward October.  Knowing him, he'll learn from the experience and is probably setting up practice scenarios now, pestering his teammates so he can get that one right next time.

by Cajuncub on Aug 30, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Observing Big Z implode last night...
...brought to mind the following lyrics from a David Bowie classic:
We've got five years, stuck on my eyes
We've got five years, what a surprise
We've got five years, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's all we've got

Don't get me wrong. I haven't given up on Z, but, man...he's got to do better. He's just got to.

If the Cubs had lost 2-1 or even 3-1, I'd say...hey, y'know, Ben Sheets is a great pitcher, he stepped up and pitched a great game for his team...kudos to him and Big Z for pitching competitively. But it seems like Big Z had a tendency to fall apart late in the games when the Cubs are trailing. (Disclaimer: I don't have time at the moment to research this impression. Maybe someone else can help me out here.)

Of course, I still must begrudgingly give props to Ben Sheets. This guy did exactly what the Brewers needed -- he played the stopper, gave them hope, provided an example of just how an ace starter can be a team leader.

Ah, well. It's on to the no-name lefty tonight. Craig Monroe, be our savior.

"Maybe the wind's blowing out on top, and inside the ballpark it's blowing in -- who the hell knows?" ~ Lou Piniella, 8/29/07

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 30, 2007 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bowie
Great to see a Bowie reference here! Thanks!
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 30, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you liked it!
"Maybe the wind's blowing out on top, and inside the ballpark it's blowing in -- who the hell knows?" ~ Lou Piniella, 8/29/07

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 30, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree
You hope with your "ace" going that at times even a 1 run lead would be enough. I almost never get that feeling anymore with Z. I still love the guy to death, but he has to start stepping up.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry Al
i'm hopping on you on this one as well.

DeRosa made the right play he had Weeks by 2-3 feet

Theriot made the boneheaded play by trying to turn two on a ball that was too slowly hit and too far in the hole to turn

it was a simple force play

and theriot blew it

Riot's been great all season but last night he was HORRIBLE and one of the main reasons we lost

not getting a sac bunt down with runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 out (of course why are we sac bunting with their starter on the roaps early in the game and the middle of the lineup coming up.... but thats another discussion altogether)

he also had an atrocious AB right after Soriano's ATROCIOUS AB in the 5th, where Riot grounded out on the 1st pitch he saw

in the middle innings the Cubs should have consciously been trying to work counts and get Sheets out knowing he didnt have the stamina to last 100 pitches

instead they flailed away, swinging at everything

Riot's been the hero MANY TIMES this year so its tough to get on him, but last night he was the goat

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sacrifice
I agree..why give up an out so early in the game with your boppers comming up? Made no sense to me. Piniella got a lotta luv on another diary for his in-game management. I can't say I agree. He's really about average. He makes questionable moves all the time. His questionable moves are just different ones than the previous manager used to make.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

be careful
the lou-lovers will come out with a vengence if you speak negatively about him

havent you heard?

Lou Pineilla is the reason this team wins

and when it doesnt win, well Jim Hendry or the players are the reason

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look
who's playing childish games now.  Stop antagonizing people.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you stalking me?
the comment didnt specifically reference you in anyway

i've actively tried to ignore you

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So
childish.  You go on actively ignoring me.  Unfortunately for you this is a public forum and when you publish something I disagree with I'm gonna respond.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that the truth.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is going on with the Bats ???
I see one of the problems is the teams aproach at the plate. last night the Brewers made some bad swings turn into hits and RBI's. All of our big guys go up hacking for HR's. This combined with 3 games in the last week where they cant get bunts down

DLee & A-Ram have not seen a pitch on the inner half of the plate in weeks.

Soriano swung at 2 balls 2 - 3 feet in front of the plate.

Hopefully they can adjust and show a little more paitence at the plate, execute those bunts and spray the ball around the entire field.

This team should be 5 games + in front right now.

Keep the faith !!!

by parrotinct on Aug 30, 2007 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on one thing
Lee and Aram have not seen a pitch on the inner half. Santo is saying it so much it's become boring. Hitters hit pitchers mistakes. Right now know one is making a mistake to Aram or Lee. This is where Gerald Perry must take over and insist on adjustments. Lee seems to get into hitters counts more than Aram. I know many have been critical of him taking good pitches but that's still probably the best route.

My humble opinion is everything will work out in the long run. The bats will get hot when September comes and the players see the light at the end of the tunnel.

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Aug 30, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think it's...
...the fear of batting with 2 strikes. Guys swing earlier in the count. Being able to hit with 2 strikes affords the confidence to go deeper in the counts. And this is 2-fold benefit. 1, you get more opportunities for the pitcher to make a mistake in your favor. 2, you run up the opposing pitchers' pitch count.

It's funny how things go about the power, or lack-of recently. Back in '04 the Cubs lead the NL, if not all of MLB, in HR's but was below avg in runs scored. In fact they were near the top in % of runs scored via the HR.

Now, the HR is missing, and there's a lot of angst. Just like the 10 game stretch a couple months or so ago that the team didn't hit a HR; they went 7-3 in that stretch. I'd like to see that right now.

As for D-Lee, I wonder about his eye-sight. He's been taking more called strike 3's than I can remember. I thought he always had a keen eye. A-Ram's contact numbers are still pretty good and remember he's playing with 2 ailments and will continue to be a bit below 100% until late October...

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way
Soriano had one of the worst atbats I've ever seen last night, swinging at one pitch that bounced 5 feet in front of the plate. He should've done a minor league game or two if that's how rusty he is.

by jazzypete on Aug 30, 2007 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that ab...
was patterson-esque!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his AB against SHouse was just as AB
first pitch: FB low and away, ball 1
second picth: FB low and away, ball 2

third pitch: FB low and away (would've been Ball 3), Soriano weekly grounds out to short trying to pull the ball and almost an inning-ending DP

to be up 2-0 in the count with 2 on and to swing at the same exact pitch you've seen twice thats out of the zone... is frustrating to watch

this is what we get with Sori though, flashes of brilliance in extended hot streaks, but he's always been exploited by breaking balls and top-flight pitching

when runners are on he gets pitched around and often gets himself out

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That pitch looked like it bounced
in the friggin GRASS!!!!!!

And don't worry... he heard the boo birds big time after that hideous AB.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Was Awful
I love Fonzie, but that was one of the worst at-bats I think I have ever seen from a star hitter.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 30, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've attended so many of Big Z's starts
this year...

And, I've been let down so many friggin times. Last night, due to the serious implications of this game, was the biggest let down so far.  

And let me just crow: that even though we're in a race, there's still a bunch of drunk frat boy retards in the stands near me, who have absolutely no passion for the game whatsoever. really pisses me off.  

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to say...
... that the drunken frat boy activity DOES decrease when the games are close and/or the Cubs are winning.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish there was a security checkpoint for DFB
"DFB" = Drunken Frat Boy

Oh... and another checkpoint for families with 5 kids from Rockford, who have to constantly get up out of their seats and purchase more food and drinks every inning... then never learn the courtesy of when to enter or exit the row.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha..couldn't agree more..
My favorite is the Maroon that needs to stand up to get his money out of his pocket to buy beer. Last night on of these geniuses bought a round for about 6 people and proceded to play bartender and pass them out (while standing in front of us of course). Finally I couldn't contain myself and had to less than politely tell the guy to sit down.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When to enter or exit the row ....
Having spent most of my life sitting in the bleachers with my brother in right field at the end of our row (just over 1000 games and counting), ....

My experience is that MOST of the folks showing up these days have little or no concept of good fan etiquette.  

Even worse is that the overwhelming majority really have no desire to acquire any knowledge of how to behave, either -- just try politely pointing out something and see what kind of reaction it brings !!!

No wonder glass beer bottles are no longer handed to spectators -- they'd become weapons ....

by wrigley1 on Aug 30, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed 100%
This is true not just at Wrigley, but pretty much throughout MLB.  Strangely enough, however, in Philly of all places the ushers will not allow people to go back to their seat during an at-bat and hold people at the top of the aisles.

I've been sitting down in the 100s on the aisle the last couple of nights, and it has literally been impossible to see half the game over the vendors and people standing up and moving during the game.  I'm happily going back to my regular seat in the terraces tonight, because at least the view stays unobstructed for the whole game.

I really wish management would try to do at least something to try to encourage more polite behavior, but they are more interested in selling beer and casual fans than they are in people who really want to actually watch the baseball.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 30, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about a BCB etiquette T-Shirt
It could have the rules listed on the shirt itself of what etiquette is at a ball game:
  1.  Return to your seat only after an at-bat or during an inning.
  2.  Don't stand up during an at-bat.  
  3.  Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through a ballgame.
  4.  Don't throw stuff on the field - Ever!  Have some self respect.
  5.  Verbal abuse to the other team is encouraged, but leave profanity and the ballplayer's momma out of it.
  6.  The game happens on the field.  Pay attention to it or you might get a foul ball upside the head.
What did I forget?

by NO100 on Aug 30, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leadoff
I know it's only two games, but since Soriano is back, the leadoff position has gone to zero as has Theriot in the 2-hole.  

When are fragile egos (Soriano wants to leadoff, Zambrano will throw a tantrum if Lou takes him out) going to stop being the priority on this team?

The last good Cub to wear #21 was Al Spangler.

by psennett on Aug 30, 2007 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh... and for all the positives Kendall brings
He should just never even attempt to throw a runner out at second. They're gonna run on him at will anyway. It's not like one of his throws is:
A. gonna nail a runner, or
B: make them hesitate to run on him in the future.

Just don't throw. OK. They all end up in CF anyway.

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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Players who fail to read BCB threads...
...are doomed to repeat mistakes.      (ok, that's pretty lame, but hey - I haven't had any caffeine yet)

Dropped balls at second, hit by pitches, swinging at 55 ft pitches notwithstanding, I thought the critical moment of last night's game happened early on when Theriot couldn't get the sac bunt down with Soriano and Z on base.

If successful, then it's 2nd and 3rd with one out, and Lee's base hit easily scores Z and probably Soriano (even with the bum leg).  Instead we're left with bases loaded and eventually no runs.

Made me think of yesterday's (?) thread about bunts and whether players actually practice bunting or not.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bunting "practice"
Incidentally, I watched the beginning of batting practice yesterday through the knothole in right field - first group of hitters (mostly pitchers) all did about 4-5 bunts each, then next time through reverted to their normal swings.

While they were all able to get their bunts down, I found it interesting that not a single player squared around.  They all did that awkward lean-over-from-the-waist, twist-the-hips, move-hand-up-the-bat stance.  Looked kind of lackadaisical to me.  

So to whoever raised the question yesterday - yes, they do practice their bunts, but it sure ain't pretty.

[I just got out my Eric Karros game used bat and tried that stance.  Ouch! - I think I pulled something...]

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It pains me to watch guys stab at the pitch
That's how you end up with easily fielded little pop-up bunts, or hard hit bunts.

You're supposed to "catch" the pitch with the bat, and deaden the ball.

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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They never read our BCB 10 Commandments
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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe...
the cubs did score in the inning you're referencing.
it is the same inning soriano was called safe at 3b
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops - you're right
yep - forgot that Z scored on ARam's sac fly.  I guess I was too busy thinking Lou should bring in Tom Emanski for a special session with the Cubs on bunting.

Yes, Fred McGriff can come too...

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/caple/030709.html

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's trade them all!
Trade Lee for Kyle Farnsworth and eat the salary!

Trade Soriano for Corey Patterson and Cezar Izturis!

Drop Ramirez down to the 8-hole and bring up someone from Boise!

Deport Zambrano!!!

Castrate Theriot!!!! (And DeRosa too, since we can't agree on whose fault it was!)

Lee apathetic??? Jesum H. Christmas, are we reading minds now?

I mean, I'm sorry he isn't nailing himself to a cross to satisfy your rage, but, really, get over yourselves.

by lancaster99 on Aug 30, 2007 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

doctor, heal thyself
Lee apathetic??? Jesum H. Christmas, are we reading minds now?

good point, but can you read his mind and determine that he's not apathetic?

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His facial expressions
Haven't changed since 2005.

Perhaps he can flagellate himself for you next time. Would 50 lashes be enough or should he do 75 to make you happy?

Perhaps he can sacrifice a child? Or would the family dog be OK?

Please, enlighten us as to how he can prove his interest to you.

by lancaster99 on Aug 30, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs lineup
I was playing with some sortable stats related to the Cubs lineup and noticed the following:

The Cubs are dead last in the NL in OPS from the 8th spot in the order and it's not even close.  The second-to-last team has a 60 point advantage.  That's pretty remarkable considering the Cardinals have been hitting the pitcher 8th lately (they're 14th).

The Cubs are 11th in OPS from the 7th spot in the order, 15th in OPS from the 6th spot, 15th in OPS from the 5th spot, and 10th in OPS in the 3rd spot.

What does this tell me?  It means once you get past Ramirez, the rest of the Cubs order is pathetic.  It also means that Derrek Lee hasn't exactly been pulling his weight in the 3rd spot (the Cubs are also dead last in the NL in RBI's from their third hitters--mostly Lee).  It makes me wonder if this team has enough offensive firepower to get to the playoffs.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No surprise in those stats...
While Jones has definitely heated up lately, he still has a pretty pedestrian OPS.  Same with our contingent of other non-Soriano OF.  And other than Kendall (in limited time), the catcher position was terrible for 2 full months and not great with Barrett.  

By position as a team:

C: 9th
1B: 4th
2B: 9th
3B: 4th
SS: 13th
LF: 7th (and Soriano is the 8th-best in OPS among NL LF!)
CF: 13th
RF: 12th

That is just atrocious, especially considering that CF and RF haven't exactly provided gold glove defense or tremendous speed, either.  At least Theriot has generally been decent defensively and runs well.  But overall, this should be a glaring concern.  We've got to get more out of our power bats.

by SouthernCub on Aug 30, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones
has been on a tear in the second half, but most of it has been in the 2-hole, which is where the Cubs are about average (7th in OPS).  He's been bad down in the order.

I think Pie/Jones have actually been pretty good defensively in center.  The biggest problem seems to me to be in right.  Floyd/Murton/Pagan, etc. have given the Cubs terrible run production and below average defense.  Soriano has also been disappointing.  You'd think $18 million a year would buy you a top-5 left fielder.

 

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree...
I didn't mean to imply that Jones was a bad fielder, just not necessarily gold glove.  In further consideration, I'd agree that he's been well above average defensively in CF.  I completely agree that RF has been a huge enigma (oddly, Jones almost unarguably been our best RF as well) both offensively and defensively.  And Soriano has his ups and downs in LF, and at the plate he's been generally disappointing considering his contract.

Also, Lee and Ramirez have been merely pretty good (not spectacular) this year.  I wouldn't consider them liabilities in any way, but given that every other position has been average or below average offensively, the fact that they've merely been good doesn't help.  It's probably not fair to expect those two to completely carry the offense, but if nobody else is going to do it, that's their burden.

by SouthernCub on Aug 30, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing
The Cubs are 13th in the league in total runs scored on the road, putting them behind teams like the Giants, Dodgers, and Nationals.  They're actually tied with Pittsburgh in that category, so only Houston and Arizona have scored fewer runs than the Cubs have on the road.  That's bad.  Granted, not everyone's played the same amount of road games, but I would think looking at total runs scored on the road is a pretty useful measure of an offense since it negates home park effects.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's where Lee has been a problem...
and here's where I disagree that he's injured.  His home/road splits are incredibly different.  He kills the ball at home, and can't hit very well on the road.  That needs to change.

by SouthernCub on Aug 30, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which means...
Hats off to the pitching staff.

The Cubs would be in last place without their starting rotation staying healthy all year and the bullpen being great since June.

Whoda thunk that Jason Marquis would be the guy to lead us to the most wins?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 30, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know who looks more bored out there...
Soriano, Lee, or Ramirez. I know they've all had their hot streaks, but the three of them look like they couldn't care less for the last week or so.  

I'm hoping Lilly throws a strong seven and we can put up 6-7 runs.

by SouthsideCub on Aug 30, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i couldn't agree more.
i realize that players have different approaches to the game, from an emotional standpoint, but c'mon, that trio looks like death warmed over.
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you and Lee and A-Ram
Have deep conversations over wine? Maybe some pillow talk?

Psychology from the bleachers in between beers. Gotta love it!

by lancaster99 on Aug 30, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey lancaster?
are you aware that the word facetious is spelled with all vowels in alphabetical order?

you're a wiseacre!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opportunity knocks on this rubber game
Cubs have held serve, essentially that is what they needed to do. Tonight they have one of their better starters, a veteran and calm personality facing the Brewers.  Cubs face a young lefty with one start.

My thoughts and I am betting 50/50 Lou changes the lineup for he sees the same thing we do, Soriano is ill prepared to lead off for now. Since the Cubs will face three consecutive left handers Lou will seek cover of trying to find that combo against the southpaws.

Lineup will have Theriot back at leadoff, possibly Kendall #2, then Lee, Ramy, DeRosa, Soriano, Jones, Monroe.

Piniella won't sit back and let things go without doing something that he has control over.

Cubs will win the rubber game and essentially push Milwaukee down again and take a game away from StL.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 30, 2007 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And as a postscript to Wednesday night
I don't see Sheets bearing up through a division race.  How many times does he have to look at that finger?  Was he expecting the problem to disappear before his eyes?

by Cajuncub on Aug 30, 2007 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask the psychologists
If he LOOKED interested!

by lancaster99 on Aug 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being Realistic
Agree totally -- except for Jones and Monroe against the lefty.
But Lou should not even hesitate to go back to what was working the last week. Theriot at the top with Kendall hitting second -- changing it up with Jones hitting second against the righties.
Even Lou admitted that the Milwaukee series was Soriano's rehab ABs. If that's the case, why in hell did he put him back up top when he hasn't looked at gameday pitching in three weeks? It makes absolutely no sense.
Also -- adding fuel to the fire -- why did Lou even let Z start the 7th? He had already thrown a ton of pitches. We were down a run and even if Z holds them, he would have been gone at the end of the inning for a PH. Leaving Z in, not taking him out when Braun came to the plate with the bags loaded, and bringing in Doctor Gasoline (Eyre) to finish, finished us.
Just an all-around bad game with plenty to go around.
The guys on this team need to grab one another by the cahonies and tell them to start hitting like they should, taking some walks (which we all know is hard for them to do), bunt like good little leaguers do, and throw strikes.
Listen, I for one am tired of all the excuses -- we lost but so did the Cards or the Brewers. Well guess what? We need to win when those guys lose so we can take this thing. There are only 31 games left -- soon to be 30 -- then 29 -- and so on. Time will run out. We need to start winning -- get on a streak -- and stop continually trying to be okay with the other guy losing when we do. That is happening much too often.
And please -- like someone said a couple of days ago -- pitch to Pujols like everyone else does with Barry Bonds. I do not care if the bases are empty -- do not take the risk. Who gives a crap what Tony and the rest of the Deadbird Nation thinks.

by ceegeewow on Aug 30, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
And - Walk Pujols!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i say...
save the 3 pitches and plunk'm in the but-tocks!

that'll get "mullet-man" riled up!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With a BREW Lefty - hard
throwing at that, would Lou SIT Sori and play Monroe whose splits are good against them?

Any chance?

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope
he just hasnt looked good at all so far. that ball he swung at against sheets last night was horrible.

by tbizzle83 on Aug 30, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
When's the due date anyway?
"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Aug 30, 2007 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CRAZY BANK ROBBERY!
Happening right now. I can hear the helicopters.

Clark and Morse. I'm on the lake up in Rogers Park.

Hostages, Squad cars... the whole works.

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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a Chase branch
Right??
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they're holding Scott Eyre
Hostage... for oh, about the next 12 hours or so.
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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its "First Commercial"
Link - http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5618935
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's some real breaking news!!!
Red Sox at Yankees at 1:05 ET and it's NOT ON ESPN!!!!

"It's the big one, Elizabeth..."

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE??!!!!!
TRAGEDY!!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, NO!!!!!!!11!!
How will anyone find out what's happening in that all-important game??!!?!?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also sent Buck Coats to the Reds today
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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm drawing a blank, Sack.
Who was Coats traded for? Do we know?
"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Aug 30, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PTBNL... new trade today
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by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we can get some production out of
Monroe someday?  We need it, bad!  I also hope Rapada doesn't turn out to be a stud.

by Itchy on Aug 30, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

something
wonderful is happening in the sportsworld right now ladies and gents chien-ming wang has a no-hitter thru 4 innings. i cant believe it!!!

by tbizzle83 on Aug 30, 2007 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And not on ESPN! Oh, the irony!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhhh
I really hope the yanks end up blowing that game because I will not be able to take all the talk of that damn AL East being a race again even though it will have the widest margin of any division. I know that's what ESPN exists for, but I will probably projectile vomit onto my tv the next time I hear them talk about how great that rivalry is or how great either of those teams is.

/end anti-East Coast rant

by hawkeyenation on Aug 30, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YAWN!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't there a
Cardinals/Astros game going on that's a little more interesting to us?

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
watching it on tv 0-0 in the 2nd

by tbizzle83 on Aug 30, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain this to me?
So the Cubs can use effectively use anyone on the 40-man roster for the playoffs????  That's not what I had thought.  From the tribune...
Hendry said fans shouldn't put too much stock into the 25-man roster at the end of Aug. 31, the day before call-ups, because the Cubs can substitute players on the postseason roster by replacing guys currently on the disabled list: Mark Prior, Angel Guzman, Roberto Novoa and Pagan.

"Everyone makes a bigger deal out of this than it is," Hendry said. "You're allowed not only your 25, but an inventory of everybody that's on your DL, including 60-day DL guys. And they're all wild cards. You can substitute anyone from the system for Mark Prior, and they can be on the playoff roster. ... Everybody thinks if you're not in the dugout by Saturday, you're not eligible. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

"All the rule is for, is you cannot have someone from outside the organization who is not here by Saturday, added to the playoff roster."

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/08/hendry-ok-with-.html

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that is true.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Mark Prior
was never even on the major league team (wasn't he placed on the minor league DL??).  How can his spot be substituted for?

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe...
prior is on the 40-man roster.
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

allow me...
to correct myself, prior is not on the 40-man roster.
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he is.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=chc
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 30, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh. Nevermind...
I didn't read the fine print at the bottom. My bad.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 30, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter.
The Yankees did this in 2002, when Jon Lieber was out for the year. They were able to replace him with someone else.

It's a stupid loophole, but teams use it all the time. It's how Francisco Rodriguez -- who did not debut till September 18, 2002 -- became a postseason star that year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1-0 Houston
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 30, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why
don't we have a day game today.  This is odd.
PC load letter, what the f*** does that mean?

by cubfaninSTL on Aug 30, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

more night game$?
usually last game of a series is an afternoon to help ease the travel burden, but the Cubs are home tomorrow so travel's not an issue.  The Brewers are also home and it's only a couple hours at most by bus, so travel's not a big deal for them either.

Of course, the chance to add another night game didn't hurt either, especially with a developing geographic rival.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand why it's a night game -
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$

The thing I was wondering:

Has there ever been a Thursday night game at Wrigley before?

I cannot remember one.

"2007. Our year. Our beer." - G. Heileman Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI.

by ilovepie on Aug 30, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, at least a couple
7/27/06 - first game of 4 game series with StL
7/15/04 - first game of 4 game series with Mil (after All-Star break)

no, I didn't have this memorized ;-)   just happened to have some old pocket schedules nearby...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thx :)
"2007. Our year. Our beer." - G. Heileman Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI.

by ilovepie on Aug 30, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I can't stand it any longer
No-hitter is still intact (thru 6) so I just tuned into Gameday Audio.  Normally I'd listen to the Boston station, but I picked WCBS this time because I want to hear the Yankee announcers when the no-no is broken up.

Does this make me a bad person?  Do I need therapy?  

I blame (credit?) my Yankee hatred on the Indians/Yankees wars of the late 60s early 70s when I was growing up near Cleveland.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no-no is no more...
...Lowell broke it up with a single in the 7th.  But my mirth is tinged with the realization that the Yankee radio announcers (John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman) are bad.  

Real bad.  So bad, they almost make Hawk and DJ sound good.

Almost...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will offer my help
Some one tell Z he can punch me in the face and throw me into a locker. If that will help us win 9 more out of him I will even let him kick me in the junk!!!  
Pick it up Cubbies!!!
Living any closer to Wrigley and I would feel Santo's spittle on my neck.

by JoeSmoe23 on Aug 30, 2007 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Houstons..
with a 2-1 lead..
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 2:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Poo-holes
strikes out with 2 on and 2 out. Houston still leads,
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs news
Rapada to Tigers
Coats to Reds
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 30, 2007 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Houstons..
lead 2-1 after 6
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

astros...
had pence on 3b, no outs with burke, berkman and lee to follow and they couldn't knock-in pence.

uggghhh!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Astros get the leadoff hitter to 3rd in the 6th
w/ no outs and 2/3/4 hitters can't get him home. It's refreshing to know that other teams have this problem. I just wish they wouldn't do it when playing the Cards.

by billybuck on Aug 30, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Turdbirds..
version of Scott Eyre in the game..there is hope
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 3:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols....
Seriously, the next time we play STL I don't wanna see one pitch near the strike zone. In fact, lets put a blindfold on whoever is pitching when he comes to bat, spin them around, put a squirrel down their pants and then tell them to start their delivery. I wouldn't care if the final destination of the resulting pitch ends up stuck in the ivy, its better than pitching to Pujols.

Id even intentionally walk him with the bases loaded in a 9th inning of a 0-0 game....at St Louis.

Okay  maybe that's a stretch, but anything short of that scenario gets the green light for 4 straight to Kendall standing up.

by Gleebo on Aug 30, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Astros had bases loaded, one out
And still couldn't get a run in.  

by SuperContext on Aug 30, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And that was with the 3 & 4 hitters
coming up. I don't remember Lee and Ramirez doing that twice in one game this year. Looks like the Stros will have to do it the hard way.

by billybuck on Aug 30, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope...
... Carlos Lee looks that bad over the upcoming weekend, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Carlos ever have a bad
game against the Cubs? I don't recall any.

by billybuck on Aug 30, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't either.
He's .343/.410/.514 in the 9 games this year so far and .321/.383/.607 in 280 career AB with 20 HR.

But there's a first time for everything.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be a much better team
With CLee in LF, instead of Soriano...

Plus, we wouldn't have this stubborn lead-off man issue.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we shouldn't let one guy beat us if we
just use some caution with CL at the plate. Let's give him the Pooholes treatment and take our chances w/ the rest of the line up. Their offense has been kinda weak this year. Nobody else seems to be doing too much, just keep Pence off base in the leadoff spot and don't give CL anything decent to hit. It sounds pretty easy, huh?

by billybuck on Aug 30, 2007 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top of 9..
Lidge on..
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stros win
Golden opportunity for the Cubs to pick up a game on both Cards and Brewers tonight.

by SuperContext on Aug 30, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston won.
2-1
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 30, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Turdbirds go down..
comeon Lilly!
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This Lefty
tonight for the Brewers is going to give the Cubs fits, I sure hope Lilly gives the Cubs 7 innings and less than 3 runs.
 Here is to Monroe dialing up and going yard in Wrigley to win it tonight.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 30, 2007 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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