Did ARam damage Cordero?

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 6:33 PM CDT Comment 12 comments

Up 5-4 with two outs and a runner on third base just before Francisco Cordero threw a first pitch walk off HR to ARam Cordero's season to date states looked like this:
IP:33.3 ERA:2.41 SV%:93.1%
His stats, including the 2 run HR, since then are as follows:
IP:12.2 ERA:7.11 SV%:63.6%

I think it is worth noting that for Cordero to return to a 2.41 ERA he would have to pitch 24.2 consecutive shutout innings, so even though the 12.2 innings is a small sample size it is enough to show a change in perfomance.
Now it is possible that ARam's HR is an effect, and not the cause, of Cordero's struggles. But regardless, it seems pretty clear that Cordero's pre June 29th numbers are much better than his post June 29th numbers. Hopefully the pre June 29th Cordero doesn't return because the Cubs have really benefitted from the poor play from the brewers pen.

To compare Dempster's stats for the season are:
IP:40.2 ERA:3.76 SV%:89.5%

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Cordero

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Dempster

24 votes

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Interesting

I could posit that it contributed to it, certainly. Remember Lidge had a hard time after Pujols took the wind out of his sails last year.

Being a closer is a chore. You have to have a certain degree of mental prowess, or in some cases, a lack thereof.

Lidge is doing better, I suspect Cordero will at some point.

Cool stats though, thanks for sharing!

Florida Cubbie

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He was overachieving

..early on not that good few are Gagne like and 100% bulletproof.

Always believed and agreed those kind of losses really hurt and take more of a toll on a team than, say, losing 2-1 or 10-3...looks like a win, everybody doin their job, and then a huge letdown.

Tough to come back from but good players/teams do, or have to, all the time.

Be int. for Milw. going on road if they suffer a downturn were def. poised for a sweep.

Cards were swept and fallin further out of it.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 5, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's an interesting point

But Cordero blew back to back saves in a weekend series with Toronto around June 13th if I'm not mistaken. Also you have to remember that when the Brewers traded Carlos Lee to the Rangers for Cordero (there were other players, but that was the main package), it was believed that the Brewers were tottally ripped off.

Okay, here's the deal:

Brewers get:
Cordero
Kevin Mench
Laynce Nix
Julian Cordero

Rangers get:
Carlos Lee
Nelson Cruz

It was considered a bad trade because Mench had been a guy who had hype around him for 3 or 4 years but never really got beyond it. Cordero had imploded, and Nix and the other Cordero are both middle prospects, nothing special.

Lee was a two month rental, but Nelson Cruz is a decent OF prospect.

It looked like the Rangers fleeced the Brewers but then Cordero was almost unstoppable for a year and Lee didn't sign with the Rangers. Cordero could just be returning down to earth. I don't know too much about Cordero's numbers, but he could even be really streaky for like months at a time.

Ramirez might have been the straw that broke the camels back or the push over the ledge. That game was SO sweet in the end!

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Almost as sweet

as the sound of Alfonso Soriano's quad snapping in half.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice Poo

Earlier you defended yourself when someone called you a troll.

The sausage has just been let right out of the trousers.

I hope you get seriously hurt in the next couple days. In fact, losing a thumb would be good.

I see a ban in your immediate future. :)

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ban Poo

Amen, a definite ban...Al?

by crw89 on Aug 6, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm watching closely.

n/t

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by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

watch Al watch

Im sorry i state the obvious, while others state some of the most assanine comments that ive read on this entire blog. Someone suggested the cubs should trade D-Lee, I defend D-Lee, and im the troll.

My name is a satirical message on some of the ramblings that indeed take place here. However, I do like the site and what AL and most everyone has to say.

Apparently there is a fine line between common sense and idiocy on this site, but keep a close eye on me Al, I'll sure to be careful what I write. Say hi to Stalin for me.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 6, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

I don't imagine it has to do with you defending Lee, as much as it has to do with your affection with hearing one of our role player's quad snap.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cordero

was never that good to begin with. I think ARam's hoomer was a symptom of his problems and not the cause of them. Descent pitcher but not a lock down closer sort.

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Aug 6, 2007 4:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs