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My first "diary" and it's more of a question for those more knowledgeable than I.

Does anybody have any updates on Mark Prior?  Or links as to where to find information about him?  I'm just curious as to how he's doing.

I like to think someday he'll come back and be effective.  If it's not as a Cub, I'd still watch him.

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People seem to frequently ask about him.
I suppose I understand why...but I wouldn't be thinking about him.  Last I heard he was still in California? rehabbing.  Not throwing or anything.  Don't expect him back anytime soon...maybe ST next year.
In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Aug 8, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

There won't be any updates this year...
... as he is out for the year after shoulder surgery. I'd expect his ETA at the earliest to be midseason 2008.

And remember: here at BCB he is to be called "The Employee".

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 8, 2007 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

The employee?
I've seen that name tossed about but never known why.  Care to elaborate?

Thanks for the bit of info.

by Arbusto on Aug 8, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because...
when he was demoted, he said something to the effect of "What does it matter what I think about it?  I can't do anything about it.  I'm just an employee."

by SouthernCub on Aug 8, 2007 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
That makes a lot of sense then.

by Arbusto on Aug 8, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, doesn't anyone know what empathy is?
I can't believe that a rational man like you AL, well atleast you seem like a rational person from your posts, would not have seen how clearly frustrated and upset he was with everything and everyone. Haven't you ever had things happen to you that were out of your control and been mad at the world over it. Well, I have and let me tell you, it sucks! So, he lost his cool and said he was just an employee. Jeez, who here hasn't been mad with the decisions made by your employer at one time or another? Come on, being under the media microscope he's been under for the last four years it's a wonder he hasn't pulled a Britney. His name will always be Mark Prior in my book.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest
Prior has done himself no favors with his relatively selfish demeanor.  Also, despite his recent surgery, there is adequate circumstancial evidence that shows he is not likely to be voted as the most willing or prepared pitcher coming into ST each year.  Three straight years of not being able to come north with the club (after 5 months off) speaks loudly to his preperation and durability.

Lastly, for him to say (in his arrogant tone) he felt he deserved to go north with the club, and then all of a sudden saying he had pain again (after he said he was fine, and the Cubs anounced he wouldn't get another ST start) tells you something about his priorities.  I realize he had some work that had to be done to his shoulder, but you would probably see the same thing in a high percentage of major league pitchers if you went in their shoulder to take a look.

As you can tell, I don't care for his character, but will readily admit, he is loaded with talent.  It's just a shame he doesn't have the head to go along with his skill.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 8, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You cannot say he came in
unprepared, because no one knows for sure what he was doing in those months off. If he was comming in unprepared as you say, why did the Cubs keep hanging on to him? That would be foolish. I believe in most of those cases he was still recovering from various injuries. Look, I'm not going to say anything about his character because I don't know him like that, but I will say that if he was a clubhouse guy or fan favorite, like Wood, he wouldn't be treated this way, no matter how many times he's been on the DL.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's my point
what was the guy doing for five months were he couldn't be ready in 04, 05, or 06 to come north with the club?  You can't see he was overused, because he just had five months to rest, so you can't help but wonder what type of makeup this guy has when everybody else is fresh and ready to go in ST.

The Cubs kept him for obvious reasons; he showed a high level of skill, and they had a lot invested in him.

I will readily admit, it's my personal opinion, but I think the guy throws off all kinds of red flags.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 8, 2007 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do see your point,
I just do not believe for one second, that the Cubs would let him get away with that kind of mediocre approach in the off season. Besides, I'm pretty sure some of his injuries kept him from being ready in at least one of those years you mentioned. Sorry, I don't have a great memory, but like I said, I'm pretty sure ;)
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
the Cubs would do what they could to assure he was preparing like everyone else in the offseason.  Which, raises the question - why couldn't he be ready to pitch April 1st in 04, 05 or 06 (let's forget about 07)?  He is a young guy, with good mechanics who only pitched one year of over 200 innings.  Fergie Jenkins had 3 straight 300+ innings pitched by the time he was 25, and that was on 3 days rest.  If 2003 truely ruined him as some say, the guy was not cut out to be a starting pitcher in the big leagues - plain and simple.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 8, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are comparing apples to
oranges. Mark Prior will never be Fergie Jenkins and neither will Big Z for that matter. Baseball just isn't played the same way it was when Fergie was pitching. They coddle their pitchers too much these days, and many others, including Fergie himself, agree. I don't think 2003 alone ruined him, but he did have quite a few injuries in consecutive seasons. Everyones body is different and heals at their own pace. He may just need more time than others to get back to, if he ever can, (I hope he does) being a dominant MLB pitcher. I realize that his time with the Cubs may be running out, but I believe he will pitch somewhere, hopefully in Cubbie Blue , in 2008.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I realize pitchers are coddled
I am just saying, I don't think Prior has the makeup to be a reliable major league starter.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 8, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we'll just have to
agree to disagree on that point ;)
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last I heard.....
....he was folding towels in the Bath department at Macy's.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Aug 8, 2007 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

The Employee
See this
In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Aug 8, 2007 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Bet the Cubs non tender him this winter
Then re-sign him like Wood but even smaller numbers and see if he is rehabbed.
Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 8, 2007 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd agree.
Further, I'd think that he'd want to do that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 8, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope so.
I'd be really disappointed if he didn't go for that ... but we are talking Prior.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 8, 2007 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting decisions
Despite some people liking to show no brains by calling Prior feminine names real Cub fans root for him.

Memo to those who call Prior names.  You aren't funny you are stupid.  And you are funny to stupid people.

I'd say if he's willing to sign for something like Wood did for next season it's worth the chance.

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 8, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Prior is a pansy
Prior is as tough as a wet paper towel.

My grandmother can throw better than Prior - (though actually, right now, that's a true statement).

by NO100 on Aug 8, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go say that to his face
Go say that to his face.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 8, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's he gonna do?
Hit me with his purse?  Oh wait, he can't swing, can he?

by NO100 on Aug 8, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's his excuse since 2004?
Listen, I'm not a Prior hater.  I was just joking around, but if anyone deserves to be made fun of, it's Prior.

I'm sure he feels bad about all the stuff that's gone on, but he's also an adult and he knows, probalby better than anyone, how he is a disappointment.  If it wasn't for the fact that he's collected at least $25M over the course of his career, then it would be tragic.

by NO100 on Aug 8, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cannot believe the idiotic statements you are
making. How can you say he deserves to be made fun of. Yeah, he deserved to have all those injuries since 2002. No one has the right to make a judgement on anyone else. You have no idea what he has gone through physically and psychologocally. I know having a nice income should soften the blow a bit for him, however with all the frustrations that were more than evident in his on iar interviews just before he had the surgery in April, shows me that no matter how financially secure he may be, he is just not happy about his fading career. I just cannot understand how you are trying to justify your incredibly pathetic "humor".
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could hit you with
his other arm.  Then kick you with his massive calves.  Oh, wait...they aren't so massive anymore...nevermind.

by Neifi Puppy on Aug 8, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea...
Yea... having a very significant injury requiring major shoulder surgery means that he is a pansy.

I see...

by big_lowitzki on Aug 8, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh,
there is so much more than just that to indicate that he has pansy-like tendancies at the least.

by NO100 on Aug 8, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like KOW
anyway, the Cubs will offer him a deal similar to Wood, and we shall see what happens.  

With his history poor preparations before ST, I would not expect him to pitch in a major league game until the 2nd half of 08, and that is assuming all goes well.

If I was a bettin man, I would say there is a 70% chance, Prior has pitched his last game as a
Cub.  You may see him resurface, with a west coast team in 09.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 8, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember feeling sick
watching Prior take a rocket off his pitching arm.  This was a man we legitly wanted in our rotation for the next ten years, and it was amazing he was back in the rotation in less than a month, let alone ever.

But then everybody started calling him *ussypants and a crybaby and I seriously started thinking, yeah, these computer nerds have it right.  What we all hope and expect is what really matters.  If Prior can't handle major league collisions, being hit with line drives, and excessive bodily wear and tear, we should continue to effeminate him whilst holding him to phenomenal expectations.

   

"I never take a game home with me. I leave it in some bar along the way." -Bob Lemon, from Sweet Lou

by section229beer on Aug 8, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

We've been discussing 'roids
Elsewhere today...and even though I have tossed this out before, I'll do it again.

Could it have been possible that The Employee -- was juiced? During Spring Training this year, Al posted 2003 photos of T.E. -- and then, photos of him, throwing at Fitch Park in 2007.

Those "Thunder Thighs" were nowhere to be seen, if I remember Al's commentary.

We have no proof whatsoever, of course, except a 'shrunken' Employee. But....certainly, this raises a question, would it not? We were told that T.E. was the 'perfect' pitcher, was guided, and groomed to be a major leaguer by his handlers since his days at USC.

Could he have been 'damaged' by the use of an illegal substance? Is he now as fragile as crystal because of possible abuse?

This is not the case when it comes to Kerry Wood.
He lost weight because he finally started eating right, and working out. The Employee's dilemma -- is an entirely different matter.

Personally, I doubt if he ever pitches again.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 8, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

That is absolutely ....
ridiculous! His Calves were not that much thinner than in his college days. Why is this even being mentioned? So now any player that has an injury or looks different than they did in college is suspect? Just ridiculous. I wonder how many athletes still look like they did in college?
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that
but the idea that you can tell if someone is taking steroids by comparing them to what they looked like in college presupposes that the NCAA is a steroid-free zone.   I love college sports, but the idea that they're pure as driven snow on this issue (or any issue) is silly.  I'm sure steroid use is much worse in the NCAA (where there is hardly any steroid testing at all) than it is in MLB.

You can't tell whether or not someone is taking steroids just by looking at them or by comparing before and after pictures.  Period.  Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or a liar.

And this "Prior may be on the juice" talk just elevates this stuff to witch hunt level, and it makes sane people think that accusations against Barry Bonds may be baseless too.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Aug 8, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very well said.
I agree with you 100%.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big problem
The big problem with bogus completely unrealistic allegations is it makes it harder to prove they're real when they are.

When everyone who loses weight or body size or gets hurt is labeled a steroid user it becomes stupid.

It's like the Duke case.  Every false allegation like that makes it harder to prove real cases.

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 8, 2007 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you Prior or what???
Why are you so sensitive about us calling our favorite nancy boy names like *ussypants and pansy ass?  

i for one think that it is an effective method of catharsis to emasculate this (wo)man for his wussyness.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2007 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

No, I'm not Prior, and I've never met him.
I'm just a level headed person who was blessed with extreme empathy and I do not like it when people are judged or ridiculed by anyone. Everyone in this world has been ridiculed or judged in one way or another, and I'm sure remembers what it felt like, and it isn't right. I'd stick up for anyone that was being treated this way.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wuss
Oh yeah, Prior sure was a wuss when he let Gillespie and Dusty overwork his arm into a heap of jelly.  He was even wussier when he collided with Giles and then came back sooner than he had to so he could keep pitching in a heated pennant race.  His wussy ass couldn't get out of the way of that Hawpe line drive and then he tried to pretend he wasn't a wuss by coming back early from the injury again.  

I guarantee that if you had the option to call Prior a wuss or nancyboy to his face and actually did it, you'd run faster than Jim Rome can say, "Chris".  

I imagine Prior was frustrated after years of ill health when he made the employee comment; the guy was a serious competitor who came damn close to carrying us into a World Series in 2003.  How soon we forget, huh?

"Something has to give and since there aren't 8 or 9 pitchers sitting around on the trade market, I think it has to be El Suckerpuncho." - TMOX, 6/14/07

by TMOX on Aug 8, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

ALMOST carried us
to the 03 WS...almost.

But his weak mental makeup crumbled over a botched play.  the guy was lucky to have Bartman as a scapegoat.  A real man would have said to the media, it wasn;t he who lost the game it was me, Gonzalez, and the rest of the players.

As for the injuries, say what you will, other players get injured and come back to actually play well.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Weak Mental Makeup"
Are you serious? I watched every Prior start in 2003.  Late in the year, he began to fade due to the high workload.  Because he worked close to the strikezone, teams began to work the count on him, taking numerous defensive swings and building up his per inning pitch counts.  In most of his late starts, he ran into trouble in the 8th inning; he always seemed to be running on fumes.  

The truth is that our bullpen was the major reason we lost in 2003.  Do you remember what a scary proposition the 7th to 9th inning were between the starter and Borowski? I was scared shiteless every time Farnsworth and his friends took the mound; imagine how Dusty felt! Instead of riding the wave, he tried to get too much from this starters, and they fell apart at exactly the wrong time.  

Oh, and I guess you forgot about Prior and Wood's performance against HEAVILY favored Atlanta that year? Sheer wussiness, I tell you.

"Something has to give and since there aren't 8 or 9 pitchers sitting around on the trade market, I think it has to be El Suckerpuncho." - TMOX, 6/14/07

by TMOX on Aug 9, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me about it!
Couple of wusses.
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I caught that...
and mine were jokes too since I know people are upset about name calling.  :)
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 10, 2007 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well
people made fun of me during high school once so could you please find them and stick up for me??

Part of life my man.  Judgement is a part of life.  Not saying it is right but it is part of life.  I endure it, you endure it, your parents have endured it, and certainly, a man who is payed out his arse to be fragile and come up lame when he is so young and full of "potential" should have to endure some.

this is why his childish statement when he was sent to the minors about being an employee, didn't earn him any credit.  
Same goes for Will Ohman...

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2007 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Whether or not you went through it...
... is irrelevant.

Judge Prior for his actions or lack of if you want; that's appropriate.

Name-calling on this site is not, and that goes for players as well as other posters. If you want to call The Employee names (other than "The Employee", which is a nickname he pretty much gave himself), do it somewhere else.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 8, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

So no more jokes.....
...about him having vaginitis?
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Aug 8, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No sense of humor Al?
I know you haven't lied my sense of humor in the past but I do believe, you were criticized initially for calling him the employee by some overly sensisitve people here.  If name calling isn't allowed, neither should "the employee".

My opinion.

As for the judgement is concerned, i respectfully disagree with you.  ALL WE DO HERE IS JUDGE.  I am simply pointing out that people who are crying for Prior's defense after the last few years should calm down.  I actually never call the guy names, I truly haven't thought about him this year.  What I cannot pass up is people literally sounding like they are crying over this matter of name calling and at times, simply criticism.

And, I have to add, we are all subject to judgement and that is most certainly relevant IMO.  I get criticized here quite a bit as do many others yet you do not make this speech then?

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2007 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to clarify AL
because I realized in the read over, I seemed upset.

I am not, simply having fun witht the posters who are upset.

I do feel though, that your name (that yes he gave himself practically) is what somebody initially overreacted to.  But I am not upset and do not want you to think so.

i will lay off Prior and his defenders (not a name I promise!)

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2007 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be..
we choose to make it so. All I'm saying is that you have never played a day in his cleats so you cannot possibly say a darned thing about what he has gone through. You can only make biased judgements about it.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Aug 8, 2007 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Mark Prior
is happier in California than pitching in the majors.  Sure, he's getting paid a lot of money, but he's put in a lot of effort and endured quite a bit of physical pain along the way.  As with Griffey Jr, we watched him get hurt on the field.  

Salaries are what they are--  some people get paid more than they're worth, some less.  

Prior can still help the Chicago Cubs in the future.  But if he doesn't, what he contributed to teams past should dissuade personal attacks about his mental makeup.  

Get over your own frustrations about Prior not being your best friend.  Hope for the best and  move on.  

That hotdog belongs in another stadium.

MMMMMM.....Best's Kosher    

"I never take a game home with me. I leave it in some bar along the way." -Bob Lemon, from Sweet Lou

by section229beer on Aug 8, 2007 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAA!
Have at me about Prior but DO NOT diss the dog!

While Best's Kosher is a fine meat conglomerate (sp?), there is no dissing the Hebrew!  I am not referring to the HN sold at Jewel.  I am talking the big juicy, tasty dog grilled with onions, relish, peppers, toe-matos, celery salt, and a stale popyseed bun.

That my friend, is a dog.  Please do not call my dog a wuss!

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2007 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is a wuss
Everyone pitches with pain. He is just scared, the Bartman game killed his mojo. In college he pitched with emotion, fire and balls. Not with his mind scared. He gets a one year deal next year after that trade him to the Rockford Peaches.

by Hawk4Hall on Aug 8, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

There's playing with pain
And then there's the pitch you're throwing is ripping your muscle in half pain

Everyone does the former.  You can't play with the latter though he tried.

by Arbusto on Aug 8, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes
You drastically underestimate the severity of a torn labrum. A labrum is the muscle that separates your arm from your shoulder. It is literally inside of the ball and socket joint. When a labrum is torn, every pitch you throw results in your bones clanging together.

by Hren on Aug 8, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other wusses then
Aram:  he keeps sitting out with "soreness."
Lee:  neck spasm?  Suck it up.
Z:  cramps?  Ha!  I cramp all the time.  Keyboarditis?  You made that up.

by Arbusto on Aug 9, 2007 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorites are still
My favorite wuss callers are people who say "I went to work with a hangnail"

My best friend went to work for 6 weeks on crutches after major knee surgery.  Because she's a computer programmer and does not type with her knees.

Unless you ever went to work with a body part used to do your job falling off your body figuratively.

Nobody knows how much pain Prior was in.

This stupid idea he wants to sit on his butt in California is the dumbest thing in the history of the world.

Obviously something was wrong for awhile.  They finally did the invasive surgery that maybe should have been done years ago.

If he's willing to take less than 2 million and take a chance on it the Cubs should do it in a heartbeat.  Over 2 million maybe...

Especially if they keep the payroll what it is or higher.

The one thing a payroll of 110 million does it allows you to take a shot like that and if it doesn't work it doesn't kill your team.

If Hendry is still here which I hope he will be Prior will be back in 08.

(the main reason I hope Hendry still here is it means the Cubs had a good 07.)

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 8, 2007 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

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