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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Astros, Tuesday 9/11, 7:05 CT

Alyellontoppscard_tiny by Al Yellon on in Game Threads

Pardon the interruption -- we now resume our regularly scheduled road trip.

Interesting reading before you continue -- Will Jauss, the 11-year-old son of Dodgers bench coach Dave Jauss, spent several weeks of his summer vacation traveling with the Dodgers and wrote about it for Yahoo. If the name sounds familiar, it should. Dave Jauss' father is Bill Jauss, longtime Chicago sportswriter and one of the hosts of the old radio and TV show The Sportswriters.

Enough diversions. Let's win tonight.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
 J. Marquis
Cubs		 vs. Brandon Backe
 B. Backe
Astros
11-8 W-L 0-1
4.13 ERA 4.76
97 SO 0
69 BB 3
22 HR 1
vs. Hou -- vs. Cubs
Well, this is a mismatch. Yes, you heard me right. Jason Marquis gets kicked around by the Astros virtually every time he faces them, and this year is no exception: 1-1, 6.32 this year, and a 5.11 lifetime ERA against them, although somehow his career record vs. Houston is 8-5. Lance Berkman is a particular nemesis: .559/.667/.853, 19-for 34, 5 doubles, a triple, a HR, 13 RBI, and 11 walks. I'd suggest adding to that walk total tonight.

Brandon Backe had elbow surgery a year ago and has started only once this year, losing to the Brewers a week ago. He hasn't faced the Cubs since May 25, 2005 (nice lineup, huh?). The suddenly-hot Aramis Ramirez is .364/.417/.636 (4-for-11, a HR) vs. Backe. I liked yesterday's idea of putting Cliff Floyd in between D-Lee and Ramirez, to break up the two RH hitters. Hope Lou does that again tonight.

Today's game is cable-only, on Extra Innings, and at today's Mediacenter link.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

MLB.com Gameday for the Brewers/Pirates game (6:05 CT start)

MLB.com Gameday for the Cardinals/Reds game (6:10 CT start)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Let's keep those hot bats
and continue winning. If we can score 6 or 7 tonight and win, we might just get our hittig mojo back like it was in the middle of summer and put some wins together. A couple more losses by the Birds and they're probably done.
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Off subject, Al
Did you and your DGA friends discuss the potential for me and my WGA cohorts to stage a strike when our contract is up this fall?  I'm pretty sure we'll wait for SAG to possibly join us in June but I wonder if the DGA has a take as of yet.

by TR on Sep 11, 2007 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't discuss this, unfortunately.
I'm aware of the situation, though.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The WGA going on strike??
Good thing the Western Golf Association had their tournament last weekend before they did this.

(sorry..this was the 1st thing that popped into my mind when I saw WGA)

Kasey

by kaseyi on Sep 11, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope
For a couple sand wedge homers by more than one of our guys, keep the offense and pitching going.

GO CUBS....1 game at a time.

Hey.....Cubs win!!!

by Hammer on Sep 11, 2007 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoops!
I changed all the stats except that one (you'll recognize the original numbers as being Derek Lowe's W-L record before his start vs. the Cubs; I usually copy/paste each pitcher's previous start and just change the opponent's numbers).

I'll fix it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

very cool pic
very cool...

GO CUBS!

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey Chicago what did you say...?
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs are
going to WIN today. Duh.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 11, 2007 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember how good
it felt to hit that ball yesterday? Keep it going tonight.

GO CUBS!!!

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

What's the word on DeRosa?
He playing or not?

by lancaster99 on Sep 11, 2007 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting
to see Dusty putting Burnitz between Lee and ARam in that game alike Floyd between Lee and ARam yesterday

by cubsnlinux on Sep 11, 2007 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Better yet,
how is the rest of ChiTown gonna survive listening to him butcher the language and constantly piss off one ethnic group after another?

As a die hard Cubs fan I'll accept it because I think he'll drive the organization into a hole before anything else. Kenny made a mistake; not often he does that.

2005 was lightning in a bottle.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lineups
Cubs
Soriano, LF
Theriot SS
Lee, B
Floyd, RF
Ramirez, 3B
DeRosa, 2B
Jones, CF
Kendall, C
Marquis, P

Astros
Pence, CF
Biggio, 2B
Berkman, 1B
Lee, LF
Lorett, SS
Scott, RF
Wigginton, 3B
Quintero, C
Backe, P

by Bruce Miles on Sep 11, 2007 5:37 PM CDT reply actions  

So, De-Ro in
guess the hbp wasn't that bad...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes!
That's actually a really good lineup.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lineup
Just by looking at this lineup, speed at the top and some pop in the middle, Juice Park should be a fun place tonight.  Come on Marquis, don't go back to those Cardinal ways!
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Sep 11, 2007 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I know Berkman kills Marquis
but the guy that scares me is Pence. I think he's gonna be a Cub killer throughout his career. Whoever said the Cubs need to score 7 tonight to win was bang on. Plus, THEY NEED TO TAKE MORE PITCHES!!!! Not making starters work hard enough lately. They could have Backe out by the 5th if they work the count a bit more. Get into that 'Stros pen!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Astros Pen
is pretty damn good.  Look at Lights-out Lidge (is that an alliteration?)  Maybe we can get into their middle relievers, which are less good.

by zevkalman on Sep 11, 2007 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

203 pitches
Is that enough for you?  We only threw 135.  Woohoo!  We got into the Astros 'pen.  Whoop-dee-doo.  We took 10 walks, they took 1.  Yay!

Can we stop advocating just standing at the plate and watching pitches go by as some kind of "smart" strategy now?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 11, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

1-1 now
Dunn homer in 2nd... ...go reds!
If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.

by mrtobby on Sep 11, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

We got friggin swept on our last
visit to Juice Park.

Pay back time.  'nuf said.

I hope our guys are coming in with long memories...at least back to 30+ days ago.

It also looks like Lou shaved!  :-)

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Well,
We swept them at Wrigley in July so it's time to do it again, this time in the heart of Texas.

by JFCubFan on Sep 11, 2007 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see DeRo...
...is well enough to play. I was seriously worried that the price for yesterday's blowout was DeRosa's elbow. Here's to a big night for him and everyone else.

Go Cubs!!!

Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by daver on Sep 11, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Patton out tomorrow
no lefties in this series.

Good to hear!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone remember me?
I'm back in Texas :( after spending the past 10 days in North Carolina, enjoying the beach, the Nebraska/Wake game, and visiting parents.  

Unfortunately can't be in Houston but glad to be able to focus my attention back on Cubs baseball for a night!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 11, 2007 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

What did you think of that Wake Forest game
I listened to it on KLIN and that was a bit of a nail-biter.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a great game
And Nebraska was lucky to come out with the win.  Wake Forest came ready to play and was a worthy opponent.  Their fans are great and I'll cheer from them here on out.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 11, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We missed your
flag flying abilities. Hopefully you can fly it tonight.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wake Forest
are definitely for real.

Huskers really need to step up. Next week is going to be difficult.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baconater hits a homerun in Milwaukee
meh..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 6:58 PM CDT reply actions  

The game's in Pittsburgh.
1-0 Brewers, bottom 4.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

double play
meh....
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

1-1 Cardinals/Reds, bottom 3
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Me Adam Dunn!
me like grand slams!!!

5-1!

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

got a feeling
we're gonna be rooting for the Cards during their series with Blewers.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully
they will be out of it by then..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with that is they need some incentive
To beat the Brewers. If they are out of it  I have a hard time
imagining the Cardinals playing all out to beat the Brewers and
help the Cubs. Anyway so much for bringing Mulder back this year.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 11, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm...
Wonder if Dunn made it on Larussa's hit list?

by JFCubFan on Sep 11, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now 6-1
The Cardinals, and Ankiel in particular, are now in full meltdown mode.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now 7-1 Reds
Birds imploding just like they did yesterday.

by JFCubFan on Sep 11, 2007 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

7-1, Reds ...
I'm completely blacked out of the Cubs' broadcast.  Instead, I get either Redbirds or Rangers ...

Go, Cubbies!

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 11, 2007 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

At least Ankiel & Glaus won't get pregnant.
Chuckle of the day

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3014853

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 11, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Cliffy
nice hit. If he's heating up, look out!
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Whats up BCB!!
I was without internet service the last couple weeks so I was forced to stay away from BCB(I doubt anyone noticed). I just moved from Texas to Chicago!!

I was at the game yesterday, it was great(my first win at Wrigley).

Its great to be back on.
Lets go Cubs

We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 11, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Since they won
while you were there you must attend every home game from now on. :)
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love to
but I am 1-5 at Wrigley.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 11, 2007 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh,
never mind :)
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't you been
able to get back this year?
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that
would be a problem. Hope you can get back there sometime soon.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol
yeah, I was pretty bummed out about it before but yeasterday was nice.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 11, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

*yesterday
Im caught between accents. lol
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 11, 2007 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least you
got to see one of their best games.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The whole Ankiel HGH scandal
ended the Cards season the day it surfaced
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

No Cubs runs
but they made Backe throw 23 pitches, which is good.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Wrong!
No runs is bad.  It is always bad.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 11, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am not going to miss Biggio
next season..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

2-0 Brewers
they are about to blow it open probably...
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
God I'm sick of Ryan Braun.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

LaRussa orders hit-batsman
The first Reds batter up after the 6-run Reds inning gets hit by a pitch.  No doubt on The Drunk's orders.  What a dirty guy.

by zevkalman on Sep 11, 2007 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

and he ordered for DeRosa and Kendall to
be beaned yesterday, as well..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on Cubs
let's get some runs!!
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

who is Cory Hart?
how did he start hitting well?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

CUBS LEAD!!!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 11, 2007 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

woohoo 1-0
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Kendall for Barrett
is looking really good right now
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

uh-oh
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

wish channelsurfing.net worked
missed the audio feed
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano stays on first
Really close on the replays.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 11, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Hope Soriano
will be ok.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Fonzie is O.K. I think...
since the knob of the bat is probably what really got hit....although thankfully that isn't what the umps saw...

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

But replay
shows his hand is over the knob.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Astros broadcast...
showed a zoomed in view. No doubt, it hit the bottom of the bat. I think Soriano told Matt about it, saw them laughing about it.
"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Sep 11, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
that ball definitely got at least some of the bat.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

the butt head Astro announcers
said Lou came out to pinch Soriano's hand to make it red.  I don't think it makes sense to ever make jokes about being plunked in the hand.

These guys are just Texas arrogant.  Ugh...

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

A joke...
We can take a joke, right? They weren't serious. If he was really hurt they would have kept their mouths shut.

by Jsheared on Sep 11, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on Derrek!
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

go Riot!
Good to see The Riot drawing some walks. Hope he can bust out of his funk.
You can't quiet THE RIOT

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 11, 2007 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

true
No way is Backe back to 100% yet.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

arggh
would have been nice to get a big inning there
You can't quiet THE RIOT

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 11, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Patience, folks
Things didn't get ugly yesterday until mid-game.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

47 pitches for 2 innings
i like my the cubs chances verses their pen
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Those are numbers I like
for the opposing pitcher.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a rule
That you HAVE to swing at a 2-0 or 3-1 pitch.  Unfortunately, most of our hitters believe there is.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Lee!
Take another pitch or two!  He just walked Theriot on five pitches!  Make him come in a couple times...could be a big opportunity wasted.  Ouch.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I would
almost feel more confident if we were playin the brewers, i hate watching us play the astros.

by tizzle on Sep 11, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Getting to the pen
At least we should see the Astros pen early tonight.

by thepenguin on Sep 11, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny how we have handled the Brewers...
and Cards this year but have struggled against the also rans....wonder what the deal is with that?

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't it last year the Cubs
were 11-8 against the Cards (much bigger advantage until late in the season) and they lost 96 games.

Of course the Cards only won 83.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt
it seems to be some combination of

a) the Cubs get up for Brewers and RedBirds and...

b) the Cubs seem to mentally let down when they play the other teams in the division.

It just seems to happen time after time.  I just hope it doesn't happen for the last 19 games!  I want them to prove me wrong.  We have to win every series on this final stretch!!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

poop
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

wtf!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

What happened?
How did we get a run?  What shut down the last inning?  Was it DPee?  Er...DLee?

By the way...not a urine joke, a D.P. joke.  Still...a bad joke indeed...

Sorry...

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Kendall doubled home JJ
The bases ended up loaded after a Riot walk only for D-Lee to 7-iron one to RF.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tanks
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wild
Wild down is better than wild up, but it is still wild.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 11, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't Kendall
block the odd ball in the dirt? Nice run to give up after stranding three guys in the top half. And, typically, the guy flies out a couple pitches later.

You can't give lame teams like the Astros freebies!!!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

He was crossed up on the 2nd WP
No doubt they have or will discuss on the bench during T3.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that was a crap-tac-ular inning....
felt like we shoulda got more in the top and then Kendall invites a runner to home plate....okay I guess we start all over again....

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Kendall
drives one in and he kicks one in.  Who does that remind me of...

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I have been saying this for a month now.
I like the guy (like he who shall not be punched), but we just don't seem to win with him behind the plate.  I love what Soto has been cooking though.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was a big fan
of the Kendall trade, but I must admit I didn't realize how badly his skills behind the plate have eroded.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is all on Kendell
I know he drove in the earlier run, but Lou should use Soto more...Kendell's D is Barret like

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Remember Kendall is learning this staff on the fly
The amount of time he's been with the Cubs, its equivalent to spring training plus the first week of the regular season.

Regardless though, one WP, eh... two WP on same AB, unacceptable. He and Marquis were not on the same page during the 2nd WP.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take until it's 0-2
on Backe... He is all over the place.

by LT on Sep 11, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Err I mean
until you have 2 strikes....

by LT on Sep 11, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm
Backe's not long for this game.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

A-ram
a single off the LF board.  1st and 3rd no out.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

de-ro 3run shot!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

no...
I'm greedy. Another FG this inning please...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

AW YEAH!
DE-RO!!!!!
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRo!!!
I guess his elbow is okay :-)
You can't quiet THE RIOT

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

All...
... RIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!11!!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

De Rosa!
De Rose is Bloomin'! Finally!

by Jsheared on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes!
Normally first pitch swing would make me a little upset.

But of course...

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice hit Dero. 4-1
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

He hit it so hard
it didnt have time get up high enough.

Derosa yes!!!!

We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 11, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I know that this has been beaten to death but...
I JUST WANT THERIOT TO LEADOFF.  Why in the heck is he not the leadoff guy?  Unless Fonz starts the game with a solo shot, he starts the game with a swinging strike out.  It is hard to get to a pitcher quickly when he is nearly guaranteed the first out of the game without throwing strike one.  Theriot makes pitchers work.  Aarrrrrgh.  Unless Lou is afraid of ticking off Soriano, his insistence to lead him off makes no sense (or at least less sense).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm beating it to death too
See my signature.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano
will be the leadoff man for the rest of the season.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know...
but I don't have to like it.  I will have to live with it however.  I just hope that I am mistaken (after all, I only teach biology, not baseball 101).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take heart - Operation MoveDown starts Nov 2
Somehow somewhere sometime someone is going to figure out how to get through to Fonzie that he needs to move down in the order to help the Cubs.  

I'm sure we here in the BCB will have all sorts of ideas/suggestions/advice to offer up on this issue but not until the offseason.  Right now we've got a little Astro-kicking to take care of, then we pluck a few birds.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 11, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

But in other words...
Yay DeRo!!!  Way to make this a moot point (though it still would be nice to see!).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I JUST
WANT A MILLION DOLLARS. But it's not going to happen either.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 11, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is...
...it seems that ALF looks completely uncomfortable at the plate when he's not in the lead off spot.
You can't quiet THE RIOT

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 11, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But how many games was that
with the Cubs this year, that is?

This is a very good spring training experiment come February in Fitch Park / Ho Ho Kam.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heck...
he looks uncomfortable leading off sometimes (no matter what, he is just going happily hacking).  He has shown the ability to move around defensively, what about hitting in different spots needs to alter his entire approach?  Leadoff and 2nd hitter have a particular pedigree, but he doesn't fit into either mold.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

60 pitches
already for Backe. He's done soon.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

good, very good
Reminds me of a Woody start a couple years ago.

1 out in the 4th, Woody hit the century mark and it wasn't like he was getting rocked, only a couple runs in...

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I despise Ryan Braun!!!!
Brewers up 6-0....Ryan Braun is ugly with big ol' pop eyes

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Dang...
that kid sure can mash balls though.  When was the last time that the Cubs had a major lift from a rookie?  That guy is carrying that offense at times.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i heard
he has the same doctor as ankeil
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm even more sick of Braun
Sheesh, Brewers 6-0.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRo!
glad he started!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Guess he ain't
feeling the affects of the HBP yesterday...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's add on.
take no prisoners.  get into their 'pen early and often.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate the Pirates
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 11, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Other than the nice 3 runs
The Cubs got through the order so they start fresh at the top in T4.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm sick
of Braun as well. Mostly because he's pretty much carrying their offense, not Fielder!  Once Gallardo and Sheets are done their turn in the rotation, they're pretty shocking.

They have 4 at Atlanta, then three at home to St. Louis and 4 at home to San Diego to end the season. They'll go 4 and 7, and we'll clinch on the Friday.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Just hope that
Atl doesn't tank it and SD has something to play for.

Remember SD series closes the season. They may be out of it or already in the playoffs.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Backe
I bet we've seen the last of him tonight.

by thepenguin on Sep 11, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Glad to see
I was wrong!  Keep'em coming!

by thepenguin on Sep 11, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano is lead off until next year
Wrong time to change this, Piniella decided it early and he is one of the best hitters on the team.

Cubs are going to win or lose the division on the backs of the top four starters, who will pitch 16 of the last 19

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 11, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Yup...
Starters are huge for the Cubbies.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

love the sig...
but at least we got into the playoffs that season.  I liked Brown, and that was a sad day (though forgettable eventually)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Ohio
Carpenter 4IP.
Percivel 2IP.
through 6 innings
heres hoping they burn their bullepen this series before the 4 in 3 against us
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Carpenter?
Thought he was out for the season?

I know Mulder came back.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

ray King on for Brewers
anything is possible with that guy in...also look at his picture on Yahoo!, he has no chin

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

good ol'
Ray "Burger" King.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't make fun
of a pregnant woman!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep...
...I was just waiting for that stupid hop he does to screw up a routine fly... fortunately it didn't hurt us.

by 60613 on Sep 11, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow, that was scary
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 11, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano
running up his assist numbers...

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

4-1 end 3
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Hm...
well when was the last time we saw a three run shot?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Another single
off that Junior High LF wall.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like they're about to tee-off
with this guy. If only Cecil leaves him in long enough for a beating.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

crap
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Come on Uncle Cliff
after the D-Lee free pass.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

crap..
Theriot is in a really bad slump..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 11, 2007 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

The Riot never slumps! :P
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 11, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed
but if we can lock up a victory sooner rather than later I'm all for it
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

A win is a win
is a win. Though with them up 3 now, that would be fine. Don't want a blowout for fear they'd be 2 hit shutout tomorrow.

Jason has some good flow going.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup
But as long as they win comfortably (good play not a big differential necessarily) I'm OK.

Now Marquis is efficient, 6 pitch 4th and 46 total.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Oswalt and No Wandy
This series. I knew we'd miss Oswalt but Wandy has a left thumb injury according to Len. Good, he's been tough at home.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes I do.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 12, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hope San Diego is still scuffling for the wildcard
when they play the Blowers the last 4 games of the season....

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Backe's out
Lane in for him.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, stop it here
1st and 3rd for them in the 5th and only 1 out.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

come on jason
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

oh, oh
Pence 2 run triple, 4-3.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Rats
Pence.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

crap
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Not really
They filled the bases with two out, but other than that, they took good advantage of their opportunities.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

27/15...
runners left on base is not taking advantage of opportunities.

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs, I think we can say the cubs left the post season on the basepaths in Houston in August abd September.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 12, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least a couple more
Backe was struggling with control. He just walked Riot and was 2-0 on D-Lee. Shoulda, coulda, woulda....
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but the Astros
Had a couple of early chances with guys in scoring position, too. It's evened out.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about evening it out
Its getting an advantage. Our big guys need to deliver.

Oh how sweet it would have been to see a classic D-Lee gapper to right-centre.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 12, 2007 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

pence. damn. that guy kills us.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 11, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Hunter Pence
Why does Hunter Pence have to be so dang good? sniffle

by Ryno72 on Sep 11, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

That's About Enough
...of Hunter Pence, notwithstanding any man crushes held around here.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 11, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Biggio 6-3 on the 1st pitch, still 4-3, 2 out
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Another 1st pitch swing
This time by Lance, D-Lee unassisted grounder.

4-3 end 5.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice!
Way to get out of that.

Let's see some runs.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I knew
Pence would hurt us tonight!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Well we have our 1 run game....
so many of you wanted....personally I prefer the score from yesterday's game....uggggghhhh....now the offense has to be woken back up!

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

We wanted a victory
Apparently they're now amassing style points in the NL, because five- or six-run victories are bigger than one-run ones.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take a 1 run win, if that's what it takes
but a win by a FG is more comfortable.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never Easy
The Cubs never like to do it the easy way.  Would two blowouts in a row be too much to ask?
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

get some more frickin runs O
don't do the usual, that is take innings 5-9 off.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Sampson
Know he's pitched against the Cubs before but don't remember if we hit him well or not.

BTW, Marquis has 57 pitches through 5; nice, very nice.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

9 pitches already
for Sampson.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

10 pitch lead-off walk.
Nice.

Now just lay down a good bunt.

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Magic
What the heck does a reliever throwing "9 pitches already" do for you?  You think he will be tired after one inning?  This pitch count is as good as runs thing is getting ridiculous in here.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 11, 2007 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another good Kendall AB
10 pitch walk. Just what you need from a guy HIGH in the order.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Hesitant to start the runner and let
Marquis swing away with 2 strikes...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, Fonzie
Lets see one hit the light standard.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

6-1 cheesers win tonight
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

The way they're pitching him
RF/CF gap, come on Riot!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis is losing it...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sampson
doesn't seem all that consistent.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Come on Jason
keep it close!

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...
both TheRiot and Marquis had third strikes off the plate.  I only hope Marquis and our bullpen get the same calls.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

What the?
Gameday is really messed up.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

yep,
At least we've got Marmol.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

well we certainly are pissing this game away
not the time for this kind of crap, get the damn job done marquis, bunting and pitching
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Just like that.....son of a....couldn't get the...
sac bunt down and play small ball...now a whole bunch a trouble is afoot!!! I hate the Astros....and the Pirates....and the Reds....and all the other losing teams that we can't beat!

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

What did the two subsequent batters
do after Marquis couldn't get down the bunt?

Turns out it wouldn't have mattered.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

These teams are like diseases
I can't wait till we have that one year where we actually beat the teams we should, it's a pathetic trend
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
Sadly, the problem is our team. Dammit.

by Ryno72 on Sep 11, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

un real
no way this should be a tie game
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Marquis is going from pretty good
to out of the game at 4-4.

Looks like one of those games that has to be saved in the 6th inning.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

61 pitches and out
This game felt like it was in hand. Now? just "poop."

by CubFaninNY on Sep 11, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Screw Piniella
How many times is that idiot going to let a pitcher hit and then remove him an inning later without recording an out?  Marquis had been getting the ball up for a full inning before the sixth.  Why they are going in again to Lee is beyond asinine.  Marquis and Pineilla have been awful to this point.  If they win this one, it's in spite of those two fools tonight.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Sep 11, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Well....
who needs tons of runs?  All we need is to win by one...right?  RIGHT?  
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Ho Ho Ho...Hee Hee Hee...Har Har Har...
Don't worry, it looks like it may take a whole lotta runs after the 'stros are done.  I guess those of us wishing that we piled them on earlier weren't outta line.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No
You are out of line. Didn't know you could predict the future so well. Got the Powerball numbers for tomorrow night?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, not out of line
They had him on the ropes and could have had more.

Plus with that band box no lead is safe. BB has preached that one the past couple years.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It didn't look to me
Like the Cubs had anybody "on the ropes" in this game. They loaded the bases with two outs and didn't get an additional run. Teams do this all the time.

Now, with nobody out? You'd have a point.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't concerned with the 2 outs too much
Riot just walked to load the bases. It was pretty much on 4 pitches even with the 'get me over 3-0' pitch for a strike, followed by ball 4. D-Lee was 2-0 and made out #3. 3 times in those 2 AB's Backe shook off the catcher and was struggling with his control.

One more hit could have lead to a huge inning.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see...
I'm outta line?  The whole system is outta line!!!  You need me on that line!!!  Regardless, my powers of perception are relegated to matters of baseball only.  I also predict that there will be 9 innings of baseball tonight.  Top that!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
There goes that lead. I just never feel comfortable when Marquis pitches.  Regardless of the lead.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Just think
We get Marquis for two more years!!
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

If we do not get into the playoffs...it is games
like this we can look back on....games where we should have put away a struggling pitcher....games we should have done the little things...games against teams that are worse than us on paper....very frustrating.....not over yet but very dog-kickingly frustrating to watch.

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't forget
A manager that hasn't managed worth a damn tonight.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Sep 11, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol in again
That is a nasty-ass slider, one out.

Come on, lower part of the order...

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

OK 1-2 again
Let's see that nasty slider low and away...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Oof
Well, double play?

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll take it
or striking out the side...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every time the Cubs give up a lead...
I'm going to kill a bunny.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

keep the pictures coming...
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more bunnies anytime soon, I hope.
You are my new favorite person. This is hilarious, and I love your screen name.

OK, so now the Cubs have to un-give up their lead. And then you will un-kill that bunny.

by Ryno72 on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team could have been so much more
if they would have played up to their potential this year, rather than these kind of ballgames, we should have a comfortalbe 5 game lead over milwaukke right now
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh...at least!!
We have more talent all around than any other team in the tradegy central.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

come on strike out the side, its 2-2 and 2 out!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

marmol is my favorite cub.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 11, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Man
Marmol, thank-you again.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

here here...
all in favor?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOT I...
If Marmol is your closer, who do you bring in for Marquis there?  You don't even get to see the closer if Marmol isn't there to pitch the 6th/7th/8th innings in close games.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0

by Schwa on Sep 11, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had that argument with some guy
the other day who claims he's followed the Cubs for 50 years.

He didn't have an answer to the question, "who goes in Marmol's spot now?"

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then Dempster pitches in the seventh
And you'd complain about that, too.

Sometimes, you save a game in the sixth or seventh.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

but if he was the closer
who would of got us out of trouble that inning?
dempster is fine as the closer
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats our problem
we need to go out and get a solid middle reliever in the offseason along with about 2-3 more bats
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who else would want in that situation more than...
MARMOL?!?!

Eventually we'll have to move him to closer, but for now, he is so friggin' awesome.  I just hope we'll bring up another 'stopper' when he moves into the closer role.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 11, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Marmol = Team MVP
2007 Badger Football - 1-0

by Schwa on Sep 11, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Man I wish I could feel a rally coming...
but it is the drowsy offense for the Cubs again....maybe threats against furry animals will help the offense too!

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't remember
the cubs ever having a dominating middle reliever like marmol! Even though I'm sure he won't be middle relief for long.

by thepenguin on Sep 11, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

playoff calibre teams win these games
this is our first test now down the stretch, do we have what it takes, i hope im wrong in my prediciton
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Cliffy
definitely seeing the ball better.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Pathetic attempt at an offense since Derosa's HR
why does this team go into the deep freeze so quickly?

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

They figured it was enough
 3 run lead, pitcher looking good, why score more?

by CubFaninNY on Sep 11, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

How quickly we forget
Jesus, you guys are miserable.

I forgot how nice it was not to read game threads. Think I'll go back to that immediately.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

They had better never think that way
especially in a band box like that.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know but if they
can scratch one across in the 8th and get to Howry/Dempster, we have a good chance.

Lets see if Marmol comes in for teh 7th...

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

can we please get a-rod next year
thats who we need
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where's Rick White?
May as well bring that stiff in to face the Cubs.  All the other punching bags in the league own the Cubs just like White did earlier this year.  Problem is, the punching bag Hendry deals for, Trachsel, still gets abused regularly.  Just plain brutal.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Sep 11, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Lou you old bastard, why
don't you run Pie somewhere in those ABs.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

and the dominant dave borkowski shuts down
the "heart of the order" or lack there of, thats the problem with this team, we make bad pitchers look good, pitchers we should be hammering, thats why if we make the playoffs and face the dbacks/padres i give us 4 games in that series only facing the likes of teams with actual good starting pitchers and untouchable relief cores, how are we gonna hit that in the playoffs, sorry but its hard to be optimistic thinking about what lies ahead, IF we make the playoffs
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Pence, Biggio, and Berk up
Seems they are always coming up.  I can't stand any of them.  Also, Luke Scott is someone I don't care much for either.

by zevkalman on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

What way to neutralize that
than with Marmol!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is
The team does not have a killer instinct.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

For sue...

POOP!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

She may want to take a larger angle
one of those torpedos could knock her out.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why can't Pie seem to hit in the Majors?
and the Pirates and Astros have their rookie CFs hitting and fielding so well...makes me jealous.

by zevkalman on Sep 11, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

A-Rod is a bad comp
He first came up as an 18-year old.

When he was Pie's age, he hit 42 HRs and had his third straight .300 season.

by NTNgod on Sep 11, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

only has 165 ABs, give him a
 little time...hopefully next year.  

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Biggio!
Guess the new word for pitchers is 'FILTHY'!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 pitch K to Biggio
That's nice.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

and a 9-iron from Lance, 4-4 end 7
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Marmol is just plain awesome
if only he could pitch the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th every night

by LuisSalazar on Sep 11, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

They tried that,
only it was the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th; but he couldn't hack it.

I know it's different though.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
I'd also like him to pitch the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

by zevkalman on Sep 11, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, leadoff IF hit for JJ
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

good bunt by Kendall
now lets get JJ in...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey!
A sac bunt!

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh my.....
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Walking Ward?!?!
Man, Soriano, make them pay.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

wow , intentional BB to pitch
to the $136 million man...see if he makes them pay.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Did I see a 1st pitch swing?
yikes!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

See that Sori? See that?
They IBB'd Ward to pitch to YOU. What are you going to do about that?

by michaelb on Sep 11, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

My hope is...
a 3run hr...reality is an infield popup.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

We did....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

A power hitter?
He's not any kind of hitter.  Just pathetic.  This could be the worst signing by any team ever.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cecil seems to have
made the right call.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Really?
If the game's over, you should stop watching.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just like "Godfather III"
Just when I think I'm out, you pull me back in.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

will power man, will power
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck that
You've got to be kidding me.  That piece of crap could be hit balls until next decade and wouldn't do that again.  Figures.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Sep 11, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

That could have been their inning
Hold 'em in the 8th.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Bad luck
Lotsa good hits that, somehow, have found the gloves of opposing outfielders recently.

That pitch Soriano swung at was right in his wheelhouse. Can't blame him for doing it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Just wish he would have looked at a couple
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

audible groan.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 11, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

wow
Break not caught there.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Even the Ass-tros
announcers said that was CLee's best catch all year.

Go figure...

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.
I was getting ready to post about how useless and embarrassing Soriano is when Lee made that catch.  Now all I can say is that it's just not meant to be for us this year.  Lee won't make another catch like that his whole career.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Another idiotic post
Yes, that catch says it's not our year.

Good God, do you ever listen to yourselves?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh you again.
Please crawl back into your cave, which I presume is decorated with pictures of flowers and smiley-faces to keep all the negative energy away.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to disappoint you
but we are still in this game.

All tied still going to the ninth.  Might I suggest the Golf Channel if you can't handle this excitement?  The Natalie Gulbis Show is on right now.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

She's kind of hot
But I'll hang here, thanks.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. If you use the word idiot one more
time I will find you and make you bleed Cubbie Blue.  

by FortLauderdaleCubs on Sep 11, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't use the word 'idiot'
And as far as the second part of your post, all I can say is I'd like to see you try. It would be the sorriest mistake you ever made.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theriot hit a would=be-gapper, but Lee made the
catch of his life to rob him.  Cubs had 2 sure runs if it would have fell through

by LuisSalazar on Sep 11, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can someone please
GLUE THE BAT TO SORIANO'S SHOULDER ON THE FIRST PITCH?

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

When you are outta luck you are outta luck
and that fatso making that catch just freaking figures....we are screwed!!!!

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

One pitch
for Theriot too!  What's wrong with these guys?  Howry coming in...I call Carlos Lee bomb...NOT on the first pitch he sees!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs will.....
Give me an inning or two to make a decision...;)

by LuisSalazar on Sep 11, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure
It's like a new-age self help therapy session.  If your mind can conceive it, the Cubs can achieve it!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gas
Bobby's velocity has been getting stronger all year.  Nice.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

HGH
Lou probably said get it up or go.

by wrigley on Sep 11, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

HOWRY!!
Good pitch Bobby!

by michaelb on Sep 11, 2007 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Howry's
pretty fearless tonight.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

He is throwing BBs
When he's on, it's impressive.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, through 8, its 4-4
Lee, Pie and Ramirez due up...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then...
...It's the real heart of our order.

by michaelb on Sep 11, 2007 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, there you go
Come on Pie! Hit the ball. Lay off the first pitch!

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Bobby!!
Nice inning.  Now, LET'S GET SOME RUNS!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

cubs gotta get some runs this inning
i don't think i can stomach an astros walk-off win

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 11, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

nice start, D-Lee up the box on a 0-1 pitch.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

good Pie sacrifice, 5-4 putout, D-Lee on 2nd.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait
you mean nobody taught Felix how to bunt in the minor leagues?  I'm shocked.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe
he got it down, but nice job.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Billy Bean's and Jim Edmonds'...
favorite phrase.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

There you go
Good job Felix!

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

A-Ram.....! come on dude get a hit
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Pitching him away and down 3-1 count
Looking to face De-Ro?
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish Aramis could teach Soriano
some plate discipline
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Just look at their K/BB ratios
6-4-3 De-Ro, yikes! going to B9.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, Mark....
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

not sure about bunting
there made it easier for them to pitch around Aram

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

So we ride Marquis
for not bunting ... now we criticize Pie for bunting.

Yikes.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your trying to push water uphill...
if you think your gonna get NBF to listen to you.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That didn' just suck....
It really really really sucked...

by LT on Sep 11, 2007 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRosa
hot into more DPs then anyone I have ever seen, DAMNIT.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Where do we rank in DPs hit into?
Can someone look it up?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

who
didn't see that coming....?

by blueballs on Sep 11, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

stupid bunt
who do you want hitting ARam or DeRosa...i'll take Aram any day.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Pie
If he could prove that he could make consistent solid contact, Lou might let him swing away.  Unfortunately, he hasn't proven he can do that at the MLB level.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
at least it's the bottom of the order for the Astros.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Go Cubs
DeRosa I love you man.
Thanks for fu*** us

by gocubs40 on Sep 11, 2007 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't even try, Carl
Logic doesn't become some people in these parts.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm calling
a Soto pinch hit homer in the top of the tenth

by blueballs on Sep 11, 2007 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

8 Ks
between Marmol and Howry.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

we need a run
i feel like im having a panic attack watching this

by UptownFreeRadio on Sep 11, 2007 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do I get the feeling...
this is gonna end badly?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's do it!
These guys made all their leaping catches.  We have left 11 men on base.

Gotta win this one.  First games of series are critical for the rest of the year.  

Man up, Cubs!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I predict the Cubs will triumph mightily
Of course, if I said anything else, Not Bruce might come through my computer and give me a wedgie.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

fair 'nuf
.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who would have thought
back in June that we'd be looking forward to Jones coming to bat.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ
Looks so bad then a nice protective swing

by parrotinct on Sep 11, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice hit, on 0-2 for JJ
Just poked it out to left going with the pitch and not trying to pull it. Very, very good.

He was 0-5 in his previous AB's vs Lidge, all K's.

Sac bunt down (again by Kendall) and JJ to 2nd...

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Been out...
Went out to dinner and watched the Cards-Reds first few innings at a bar.

But then I got home, and my girlfriend made me watch "The Biggest Loser," so this is the first chance I've had to post.

Let me say that watching Ankiel play like the glorified Single A player he really is was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen on a diamond.

He's at minute 14. Can't wait until he's a freaking footnote.

by lancaster99 on Sep 11, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Made you watch
Oooooh, not good.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It actually wasn't too bad
Nothing like seeing a 300-pound chick in a sports bra to make you appreciate what you have.

by lancaster99 on Sep 11, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Kendall
How great to have someone who can bunt.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

If this latest
bunt thing doesn't work out in the form of a run, I hope Lou doesn't bunt again the rest of the year.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Pocket Rocket...
Come on kid!
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Let me guess...
Kendall sac bunt...next two guys swing at the first pitch...inning over. Call me cynical.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

this is so stressful
they should be called the "chicago bleeding ulcers"

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 11, 2007 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
That's why my stomach hurts, isn't it?

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously
my stomach is hurting big time tonight.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 11, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rats.
Come on Soriano.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't you know
he's telling the pitcher not to throw it anywhere near the plate?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

i cant believe
Jock has a higher batting avg. than theriot . . . wow

by CZ38 on Sep 11, 2007 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano!!!
Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Sep 11, 2007 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

3 x times a lead off man in the last 3 innings
and we can't do it?

Don't feel good about this game...

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Sep 11, 2007 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow
Man, I've grown to hate him.  Just hate him.  He's useless.  Worst.  Signing.  Ever.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Pence ends it with one swing...
And a lack of clutch hitting, again, costs us the game. RISP in 8th, 9th, and 10th. Nothing.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

why bring in dempster here?
we not at home we would need somebody to close out in extras for a win
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm tired
i guess so we can go to bed soon

by wrigley on Sep 11, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with anything?
He wasn't leading off there.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 11, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

True
he's not any kind of hitter.  I hope he's at least a little embarrassed when he heads back into the dugout.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano's batting line:
.294/.332/.526

Could you learn to think, please?

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 11, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah yeah
what are his stats in the clutch?  Men on?  Two outs?  Me thinks it is below the league average.  And he makes considerably more than the league average.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could think, or you could...
...look it up.

Runners in scoring position:

.253/.350/.482

Runners in scoring position, two outs:

.268/.388/.415

Close and late:

.329/.372/.521

None of that is "below league average." Soriano actually hits best close and late this season.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 11, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah...
what about on tuesdays...during moons which are waxing gibbous?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay then.
You asked. I answered. It's not my fault that the truth gets in the way of you talking out of your ass.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 11, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

in other news...
he is batting .083 with a man on third and less than two out.  Ouch
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, give it a rest
Fontenot struck out as well, and Lou screwed up by wasting Kendall with a sacrifice.

I'm sorry your Cardinals lost. Leave the rest of us alone to be positive.

by lancaster99 on Sep 11, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone has told Dempster
That he has no margin for error, right?

by lancaster99 on Sep 11, 2007 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently
He thinks this is fun.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

lack of clutch hit
will come back to haunt us yet again!

by Rithor on Sep 11, 2007 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I have a bad feeling about this inning
I think the Cubs missed there chance and this is the inning the Stros end it.

by GoCubsGo! on Sep 11, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

The 6-spot in the order called...
it's ready for you, Soriano! Theriot leading off. NO BRAINER!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

theriot
needs to start hitting before he can lead off . .

by CZ38 on Sep 11, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 easy outs for Demp
But watch out for Berkman...

Be very, very careful.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

sweet!
squibber to 3rd, out 5-3, it's 4-4 after 10.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Intentional Walk...
For BOTH Berkman and Lee

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

huh?
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow that was easy
maybe the good Dempster is pitching tonight.

by JFCubFan on Sep 11, 2007 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

wow, dempster might have enough
in the tank to close this one if we can score this inning

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 11, 2007 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

For all the crap...
Dempster has gotten this year, he deserves props for a great inning

by VillanuevaExperience on Sep 11, 2007 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

He
has had a few of those this year.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoa...
was that 3 outs on 4 or 5 pitches???  

by cubsonWGN4ever on Sep 11, 2007 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

5.....
2, 2 and 1.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Riot to start the 11th.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs...this lady really wants to sing...
so score already!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

truly the biggest loser...
keep em coming.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

please...someone help us...
I wonder if there is any correlation between Cubs winning seasons, and playoff contention, to stress related illnesses in Chicago.  An interesting case study is hiding in there somewhere.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

no lead off guy on for once.
good start!

CHANGE IT UP...

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

theriot
no hitting very well lately or is it just me . .  

by CZ38 on Sep 11, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

3-1 on D-Lee
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

slider away 3-2
made him look bad.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

That was a wicked pitch
Nobody hits it.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, BB for Lee
Come on Pie, make that Murton to PH.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's Go Felix!!
Time to make your mark, buddy!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

4-6 with an HR
That's Matty's nos against Lidge.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Ah
That makes sense.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

for Aram
LOL ... that was a joke

by Basman on Sep 11, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

We are going to score this inning
I feel it.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Look for a hit and run...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

you guys are ridiculous
rational, constructive criticism is acceptable.  Examples: "We (Soriano) leave(s) too many men on base"; "We (Soriano) have (has) no clutch hitting"; "We (Soriano) swing(s) at too many first pitches".

What people (Bruce) get annoyed by is the stupid "season over" comments.  Good lord people, we are currently 1/2 game back.  How can the season possibly be over on September 11 while 1/2 game back?  That is ridiculous.  

My pet peeve is you fools that say "even if we win this crappy division, obviously we aren't going to do anything in the playoffs" or "i'd rather not go to the playoffs since we don't deserve it / can't beat crappy teams / can barely win this crappy division".  that is even more ridiculous.  as in any sport, you take what you are given, survive and advance.  who cares how we get in?  you don't want the season extended so you can say "season over" that many more times?

big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

And my pet peeve
is people who take this so seriously that they can't recognize sarcasm and frustration.  Do you really imagine that people who say "season's over" really mean it, or could it possibly be that they are just venting; maybe, just maybe, they are just as loyal and true blue as you, but they express their frustration differently.  Think about it.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't question their loyalty
loyalty and stupidity are not mutually exclusive.  
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true
But blind loyalty, the kind that won't allow for criticism or dissent, is the dumbest of all.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think you need to re-read my post
i "allow" and appreciate criticism and dissent.  i don't understand the "season's over" and "we don't deserve to extend the season" comments, which do not constitute criticism.
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

can we create two posting areas...
that way the venters can have their fun together, and the sunny optimists can have a huggin and squeezin session together.  Just once, it would be nice to have a thread where everyone just discussed the game without this subject (trolls!  rainbow brites!) coming up repeatedly!!  We are all human, and different.  Let's accept it and move the frick on.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're totally right
I should just leave it.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

then you should tolerate
me venting about the chicken littles.
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo, Joe
That's exactly what I can't stand; the "season's over" BS and the negative prediction BS (for example, when the Cubs don't score by the second inning, the "well, so much for this one" posts).

Some people like to characterize criticism of that as "all you want is to blow sunshine up our asses all the time and say only nice things about the Cubs." Not so. If you want to rip on their lack of clutch hitting tonight, rip away.

But, with them one game out of first place, if you want to use tonight's game as a basis for the season ending, I'm calling you out on it. Because that's just stupid.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 12, 2007 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Len was saying
Matty is 4-6 against Lidge with a HR...

Come on A-Ram.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i feel you are underestimating
the fear generated by the glowing fire on his head he calls hair
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think Hou is thinking H&R
2 down low to Matty. Now it's 3-0 on an away FB.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

2 Walks in a Row?
Can't be the CUbs!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Lidge
Make him throw a strike.  Don't swing until he throws a strike.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

6-4 FC
1st and 3rd, 2 out.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Murton looked awefully close on that one
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

ANYBODY ?
Can anybody on this team pick up a 2-out hit ?

Anybody ?

by scotteboy on Sep 11, 2007 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

DeRo is such a pro
I'd like to see Soriano have an at bat like this just once.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Will you lay off
You do realize Soriano's OBP is about the same as Theriot's.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will not "lay off"
Soriano has no plate approach whatsoever.  He goes up there hacking every time and he's just quick enough to get hits a decent percentage of the time, but there's no situational hitting, no understanding of the strike zone, no ability to work a count.  The shame of it is that with his natural ability, he could be unbelievable if he would just learn those things.

Answer my question:  Can you imagine Soriano having an at bat like the one DeRosa just had?

Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine
DeRosa getting nearly as many extra-base hits as Soriano?  They're different types of hitters.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice eye
DeRo!!!  My kingdom for a wild pitch!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

De-Ro with a BB
JJ up, bags loaded and he's got three hits tonight.

42 pitches for Lidge. Takes him out for the remainder of tonight and probably tomorrow also.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

wow left him, thank ogd
 he must not know JJ can't hit lefties worth a damn.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Lidge will lose it and walk his 4th batter
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope that decision by Cooper
comes back and bites him in the ass.
C'mon JJ.

by GoCubsGo! on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

2-0 on the check swing by JJ
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

WHAT PART OF TAKE DON'T YOU....
UNDERSTAND.
DAMNIT, we let Lidge off the hook.

by GoCubsGo! on Sep 11, 2007 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least take ONE strike in that spot
He's shown that he doesn't have great command, the count is 2-0, he just walked DeRosa... you GOTTA take a strike in that spot.

Shit.

by scotteboy on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is one
situation where I think Jones did the right thing. Other than the soft liner to left, Jones has been putrid against Lidge, bases loaded,
2-0, the only pitch you could possibly swing at is that one. That thing was a **shot. I would hate to see Jones miss the best pitch he'll see and end up letting Lidge back in the count with how dirty some of his breaking junk looked to lefties (Fontenot) tonight.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 12, 2007 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

hope I'm wrong...
but I don't feel good about two out hits tonight.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

bullpen burner
lidge is probably done for the series after tonight
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 11, 2007 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

why would he take that pitch?
he hit it well, just right at the guy.

Sorry, JJ only has 3 hits tonight.

At least the Ass-tros are swinging quickly on Dempster, so far.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree
You gotta swing to get a hit, and JJ's swinging it well lately.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gameday
says that was a good pitch to hit.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah
probably.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would have liked to see another
take or two.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care
He's having control problems.  Unless it is the exact pitch, exactly where you want it, you take it.  Even then, make him throw a strike.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was
the exact pitch exactly where he wanted it.  It was a fastball right down the middle.  

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why swing on 2-0 there?
Lidge walked 3 in the inning. Makes no sense to swing there.

by vtcub on Sep 11, 2007 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Because he
got a fastball right down the middle.  He just hit it to the center fielder.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lidge
Can't find the G.D. plate and JJ swings.  You've got him.  Make him throw a strike!!!!!
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...called it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

by MrFurious on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Who cares if that was a strike
He would have had to make two more pitches like that and with his control odds were low of that.
IDIOTS.

by GoCubsGo! on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Not Idiots...
Jones has K'd all but one time against Lidge. I promise you that was the most hittable pitch Jones would have seen that at bat. that thing was put on a tee for him. You have to attack that. There is significant danger in letting Lidge back in the count. His breaking sutff was filthy to lefties (Fontenot) and his stuff explodes down, which is not Jones' wheelhouse. That pitch was a PEACH, he scorched it too, that thing hits a gap, no one would be saying that. You gotta hit that ball. I promise you Aram of Lee wouldn't have taken that thing either, not many people here would jump on them.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 12, 2007 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to find a way to score!!
good teams score runs at crucial times against garbage teams like the Astros.

by Rithor on Sep 11, 2007 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Well....
Their best two BP guys are out tonight. If Demp can get them to the 12th, that's an advantage.

Lidge threw 45 pitches so he may be out for tomorrow.

15 runners stranded for the Cubs tonight, 1-11 RISP.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Well dude we wouldn't strand so many
baserunners if the basepaths weren't so clogged all the time dude.

by vtcub on Sep 11, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something about Juice Park...
We were 2-34 with RISP on our last 0-3 trip.  Let's get that crap over with TONIGHT!!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 hit & 10 walks and 4 runs
Walking = overrated.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 11, 2007 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

It's like a drug
I can't stop listening to the game and go to bed even though I know I should and will probably have nightmares about a horrible loss

by wrigley on Sep 11, 2007 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

len
...had to go and point out the cubs had retired 15 hitters in a row. Dempster then walks a hitter. Hate when stats get announced like that!

by AndHart120 on Sep 11, 2007 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

like saying shutout
in the 9th
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loretta walked
their first runner since the 6th.  Scott up, lets hope for a 4-6-3.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

gapper wins it
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 11, 2007 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Guh
That's a bad way to lose.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Walk number one for Dempster
I'm nervouse when he pitches one inning.  Terrified when he pitches a second
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

This is the fucked up thing
about the team.

They cannot use important wins as a building block for more wins.

After getting 12 runs in a "big" game, they are impotent the very next night.

That is why, contrary to Ramirez, it is not a "Championship" team, at least this year.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

If they make the playoffs
We'll hold you to that.

phat

by phatass on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

adios
n/t
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had to be.
Had to be.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 11, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

brutal.
had all those chances. brutal stuff. these astros are killing us, spoiling it.

wow. hard to believe. right there for the taking.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Lou
That why you dont give away 3 outs !!!

by parrotinct on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

this one hurts
wtf is our problem with 2 outs and RISP?  are they pressing or have we assembled a team of hitters that are historically bad clutch hitters?
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Games like this are why you will probably be
enjoying watching fatso Fielder in the post season....the last place team in our division owns us...the Pirates own us....you have gotta beat teams like this....no killer instinct against the clown teams....yuck!

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Passed ball
As far as I'm concerned this one's on Kendall.  That was just stupid.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for Nothing Dempster
Absolutely worthless!!!
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Sep 11, 2007 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

That's the funniest thing...
I've seen all day.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

just apply
Dempster's face ove rthe kitty's and I call this pic a master piece!

Deeeeemmmmmppppppssssttttteeeerrrr!!!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!

Losing!!!! Grrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

fly your W flag Cubs fans!

by love the ivy on Sep 11, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should put
a few of the offensive players in that picture instead.  To get 10 walks and 10 hits and only score 4 runs is absolutely putrid.  You can't expect your pen to hold a team to nothing forever.  This game was lost by a tight group of hitters who couldn't zone in and get the job done.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2007 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly
They would not have been in that situation if the offence simply clicked a little more.

20 guys reach base, 4 get in...not good.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 12, 2007 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Points well taken, but
it is easier to put all my angst on one guy at the moment even if it isn't his fault no one could hit. Also, I usuallly feel a little nauseous every time Demp pitches, so when he does not so good, it confirms my fears.
fly your W flag Cubs fans!

by love the ivy on Sep 12, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

that carlos lee catch
might be the single biggest blow of the season thus far. a true cubs killer.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 11, 2007 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

blaMe
it on Lou taking Pie out for Murton. Pie would have beat out the infield hit by Aramis, and Jones probably would have played that ball better than Matty.

by blueballs on Sep 11, 2007 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

WOW
We walk 10 TIMES - they walk once, and it comes back to bite us in the ass.  I hang that "L" on the offense. Yesterday was just a hiccup in their otherwise useless inability to MAN UP!

They don't deserve to win this division.

And they won't.

Sorry, just being realistic.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Bruce, I tip my hat to you...
You are the ultimate optimist, even after the bullshit you saw first hand in Pitt!

In my opinion, it just isn't our year (again).

I may be surprised, but to lose like this against one crappy team after another just points to the fact that they cannot get the job done when it is a crucial moment.

If, by a miracle, they back into the Division, they will get swept by whomever they play.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez, Eman, cheer up
You know if they win the next two games, that will accomplish what they set out to do here.

This was a tough one, no doubt about it. But the facts remain the same: There are 18 games left. They are one game back.

If you had said that after yesterday's game, at least you would be consistent. I'm betting you didn't.

It's not that I'm optimistic. I'm realistic.

Constant optimism and constant pessimism isn't realistic.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

- Sigh -
Very frustrating to watch these guys.

Unlike the 2003 version - we had some killin' rbi guys.

And - starting pitching that did not fail in crunch time.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been prety positive regarding this team
but jeeezz, this is ridiculus.....15 LOB!!!!  c'mon..the ptiching got the job done.  
Here's hoping Hill finds it tomorrow and Gorzy also!
why cannot we find a way to win in this ballpark!!

by LuisSalazar on Sep 11, 2007 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Pessimists are walikin'
away with this thing now.

I expect this cycle to repeat again, with the Cubs winning and Brew losing, before the Brewers finally pull away.

At least they know how to knock in runs.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I've said 20 times this season:
they do NOT deserve to win this thing and have earned nothing with their crap games like tonight.

DUMB CUBS!

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Dempster
is the biggest steaming heap of shit to ever step on the mound.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

this team is joke
lou pinella is a joke, lee is a joke, soriano is a huge joke . . . bunch of freaking sucks . . . and dumpster oh jeez . . . HHAHAHAHAHAH i cant believe this team, what a bunch of losers . . . this team will not make the playoffs and hendry will get his ass fired

by CZ38 on Sep 11, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Useless
Why can't Dempster throw strikes before he gets to 2 and 0?   What a horrid performance by the Cubbies.  Men in scoring position over and over and . . .
Gag.   We certainly are not taking what is given us.

by moldy on Sep 11, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs batters swung at 2-0
and it never worked out for them. For some reason with the opponents it does. Cubs luck.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 11, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the deal
Just because the count is 2-0 doesn't mean you MUST swing. There is a difference between swinging at strikes and swinging at "good" strikes. The Cubs have a tendency to swing at ANY strike, while their opponents are much more selective.

Jacque Jones' AB in the 11th is exhibit a)

He didn't HAVE to swing at 2-0 in that spot. In fact, it could be argued that, given the circumstances, he should make Lidge throw at least one strike in that spot. There is something to be said for making a guy who's thrown 40-something pitches work a little harder, especially when his control is shaky at best.

by scotteboy on Sep 11, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it was
a "good" strike.  It was a fastball right down the middle.  He got into a good hitters count and put a good swing on a meatball right down broadway.  Unfortunately he hit it right at the center fielder.  Taking a fat pitch, probably the best pitch he was gonna get in that AB, just to run up Lidge's pitch count is stupid.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree
I was yelling at my TV "Don't swing Jacque".  The Astros had already walked what--- 3 batters?  Jacque really had a good shot at getting walking in a run.  Lefties aren't as good in the juice box, thats a fact.  I think he had a real good shot at getting walked and things may have turned out good today.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lamb
is a lefty and he took a nice rip at a 2-0 meatball from Dempster after Dempster had issued a walk.  Worked out nicely for the Astros.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely different set of circumstances
And it was Scott, not Lamb.

Surely you recognize the difference of the situations ?

by scotteboy on Sep 11, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No
I don't see a significant difference, except Scott's ball found a gap and scored a run.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I vehemently disagree
To say that it was probably the best pitch he was going to see is a perfect example of the type of impatience that drives most of us nuts !

Lidge had walked 3 in the inning, and had gone 2-0 to Jones. That situation almost DEMANDS that he take a strike. To assume that was the best pitch he was going to get is to assume that Lidge was all of a sudden going to start painting. He was struggling, and Jones let him off the hook. I don't care if Lidge walked down to the plate and placed the ball on a tee.

The ONLY people who should have a green light in that spot are named Rodriguez, Bonds, and Pujols.

by scotteboy on Sep 11, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

And this incessant
whining for every player to take every pitch is a perfect example of the type of stupidity that drives most of us nuts.  Jones got himself into a hitters count, got a good pitch, and put a good swing on it.  You can't just go up there taking pitches hoping the pitcher will walk in a run.  This isn't little league.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for dragging it to the insult stage
Nice. And to stretch it to the extreme "take every pitch" BS is a nice touch. Prone to hyperbole, are you ?

It's a disagreement of philosophy, nothing more. You'd think that after several years of watching the approach Jones took in the 11th that we'd want to see a more patient approach.

It's winning baseball. Nowhere did I say I was hoping to get him walked home. My argument is that Lidge was over 40 pitches, he was wild, he had already walked 3, he was 2-0. Put the pressure on the pitcher to throw more than one strike, which he had NOT demonstrated a real ability to do. Jones had a GREAT 2-strike AB in his previous trip to the plate, so surely he believes he can hit Lidge with a strike or two. Why not make him throw one and see what happens ? Maybe he buries the 2-1 pitch in the dirt. Maybe he hangs a "get me over" slider. Maybe he plunks JJ. We'll never know because JJ swung at the first strike he saw.  

by scotteboy on Sep 11, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if Jones
had hit his ball about 20 feet to the right and found a gap people like you wouldn't say one word about your "winning baseball" philosophy.

Up 2-0 in the count the pressure was all on Lidge to throw a strike.  Jones sat on it but he hit it right at the center fielder.  He wouldn't've gotten a better pitch to hit later in the AB.  I guess he could've kept taking pitches, hoping for a wild pitch or hoping to walk or get hit by a pitch.  But again, this isn't little league.  In the major leagues you get yourself into a hitters count, pick out a pitch, and put a good swing on it.  And that's exactly what Jones did.  

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
swinging on 2-0 was ok as long as he swung at a meat pitch, which he did.

Even though he walked a few guys, the chances of Jones putting the game away with a hit on a piped fastball, were probably better than him drawing a walk.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish it were a philosophical disagreement.
It's a lack of fundamentals. You're right. When a pitcher has walked 3 batters in an inning, the batter has to take one strike before he swings. It doesn't matter if it's a changeup down the middle and the pitcher announced it beforehand. THE BATTER HAS TO TAKE A STRIKE. Make that pitcher throw strikes before the batter swings. Apparently these players didn't learn that at the Dusty School of Baseball.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 11, 2007 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It all comes down to this
Batters are scared shitless to bat with 2 strikes.

Yes, I would have been very happy if JJ got his 4th hit of the night; we all would have been happy.

But with a 2-0 count and all three base runners getting there via the BB, selectivity has to be paramount.  If they reached by other means (e.g. hits, hbp, whatever, then a 2-0 count is more of a green light situation).

Like BB was saying earlier in the game with TheRiot at bat, "he may even be given the take sign on 3 and 1".

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 12, 2007 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree
with your premise about hitters not liking to hit with 2 strikes, but you have to consider the hitter in each situation.

Jones especially does not like to hit with two strikes, but he is effective when he gets his pitch early in the AB.  That is why I have no problem with him swinging at a 2-0 fastball that he knew he was going to get.  If it gets to 2-1, the chances of him swinging at a pitchers pitch goes up dramatically and the AB goes downhill fast.

With Theriot it's a different story, as he is a contact/slash type hitter who can hit with a decent level of confidence with two strikes.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 12, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

how ironic
that Dempster loses to Lidge and he now has basically the same Lidge curse (ala Pujols) that has been rattling Lidge for years

Dempster is clearly rattled, he just doesn't have it anymore and I'd rather take my chances with Marmol

by rustydevil on Sep 11, 2007 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

ha, nope
set me straight - but regardless of whatever he did in this particular game I still feel the same way.

by rustydevil on Sep 11, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were you saying that
after his very quick top of the inning?

When you blow that many late scoring chances, what do you expect?

This one's all on the late-inning offense tonight. The chances they had early weren't as good as the ones they had late.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I put it on Kendall
He gifted a run to the Astros by allowing a wild pitch (which he should've blocked) followed by a passed ball all with 2 outs.  That should never happen.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that
when I do get to see him on the mound (since we never get the cubs in SD) he doesn't have "it" anymore - the confidence and the swagger that I saw in past years, and you know the fans don't believe in him anymore - look at the guys who post day after day on here.  He appears "rattled" and he has this entire season.  He is way too prone to walking batter upon batter or giving way to a big hit.

by rustydevil on Sep 11, 2007 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never have
had any confidence in Dempster.  Not just this year, I have never seen anything from him any year that would make me confident in his save ability.  It has blown my mind year after year with him.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

by no means
am I saying that I've never had confidence, er I guess I should say hope, in him because I give the benefit of the doubt to anyone that Hendry puts in a Cubs uniform (which is clearly a mistake) but this year he hasn't looked the same way that he has, and I stand by that.

by rustydevil on Sep 11, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am
saying that I NEVER have had confidence in Dempster.  Seems to me he has always put is in a bad spot, made things closer than they should be, and blown things when they matter most.  He has had some good times, but I chalk them up to maybe the little bit of talent he might have, and the large amount of luck involved.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

And last year,
when Dempster stunk, he HAD this "swagger"?

Lord, forgive them. They know not what they do.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

man, I guess I'm
referring to last year too much to try and drive home my point.

In the end, the fact of the matter is that our bullpen has sucked this year (minus a few).  Ohman, Wuertz, Howry (except a short period of time), and Dempster have not closed out games that should have been won.  Had the bullpen finished out those games as should have been the case, we wouldn't be in this position right now - cubs fans, eating each other alive, live ND football fans.

by rustydevil on Sep 11, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?
Wuertz is second in the majors in opposing batting average, behind Mármol. Dempster has one of the best records closing in the NL this year and Howry has an enviable K/W ratio. The problem is lack of hitting. This bullpen is the best in the NL but these relievers cannot be perfect, throwing shutouts every night.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 11, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dempster never has
had it.  He always scares the hell out of his team and the fans when he is up.  I'll give him that he didn't actually fall apart, and wasn't doing too bad for the most part.  The Cubs blew it, but it doesn't help to have suck as Dempster pitching -- ever as far as Im concerned.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typical
So many offensive chances from the 8th on.  It's NOT like they didn't execute. Carlos Lee able to run like he weighed 150 pounds to get to that ball.  The first guy that Houston gets on since the SIXTH inning scores, and he was the FIRST walk all game long too.  It's karma folks and I'm still unsure why the Cubs have been stuck on the bad side for a long time.  

That being said they let Backe off the hook.  The Astros were letting him stay in there to get more pitches. They should have scored 7 runs before they took him out.  

If you are new to being a Cubs fan, this is the typical, welcome.

by MerigoldBowling on Sep 11, 2007 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree that lou f'd up by sacrificing every
inning.  as pat and ron pointed out, that ballpark allows a lot of doubles.  instead of giving up an out to move to 2nd, i would rather we give ourselves another chance to hit a double and score the run from first without sacrificing.
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 11, 2007 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

This team has not got the killer instinct or
swagger....I mean Backe should have given up a whole lot more runs...and the extra innings were ridiculous....I guess we try again tomorrow but the Blowers are smelling the finish line and we are just smelling the stank of un-clutch play at the worst of times....Carlos Lee may have just killed the Cubs with a miracle catch....or we bounce back and start being MEN....foul tasting night!

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a .500 team
They've been a .500 team all year, essentially. It means they win some fun games and lose some killers. It means they aren't really a contender. They are what they are. The confusion is, Hendry spent a lot of money to assemble them. For the most part, he failed, notwithstanding the fact that they "improved" since last year.

In any normal division, we would have given hope a long time ago b/c they'd be 10 games out by now and planning their October hunting trips.

"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Sep 11, 2007 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely no karma for this team
I don't understand it. The fans don't deserve that bullshit.

by Mapmaker on Sep 11, 2007 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

soriano
u get way too much money for being such a little turd . . . cubs know how to spend their money i guess

by CZ38 on Sep 11, 2007 10:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Or perhaps all us fans expecting this....
kinda crap sends out the negative vibes that cause it to happen....OR maybe our players are just tensing up their sphincters....OR maybe we just are a .500 team ( a wildly overpaid .500 team at that)....

by razzpunk on Sep 11, 2007 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

We don't intimidate anyone...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2007 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

closer on the road + tie game = LOSS
It never fails because the Cubs are never up on the road after the top of the inning.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 11, 2007 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I would guess
I believe those who predict the Cubs will lose have a much higer percentage of being right than those who continually predict  Cub victories.

This team is undisciplined and horrendous on fundamentals, but they have a nice long offseason to get it straightned out for next year.

I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Sep 11, 2007 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Marmol
Should be the closer of this team. But, as stubborn as the Cubs are, they won't make the change, and it'll cost them a spot in October.

And let's just say they do overcome their ineptness and make the playoffs.  Can you imagine Demspter closing out big games under pressure? NO WAY

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

How do you figure?
who then comes in and bails the team out of the jams we always seem to be in in the 6th/7th?  Without Marmol there, there would be a lot fewer save situations for the closer.

The "move Marmol to closer" crowd keeps forgetting that doing so means we have to replace him in the middle of the game.  We don't have anyone to do that.  Contrary to popular belief, getting the last 3 outs starting with nobody on base is not more challenging than getting out of a jam with runners on when we can't afford to give up any runs.  That's why Marmol is used where he's used.

by SouthernCub on Sep 12, 2007 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

And, the pattern of Losing the
first game of a series dictates they lose two of three in most cases for them.
It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly
Its been 1 of 3 or 1 of 4 in the last few series.  The cardinals game can't be counted really.  They will probably win one in the Astros series and basically continue that trend.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pitching matchups don't matter
We can't get to the pitching scrubs of the other team.

by Mapmaker on Sep 11, 2007 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

It seems like
every time things are close, we get the shaft.  Be it in a play, an inning, a pitchers count or a game.  Anytime it really matters and it comes down to the wire, the Cubs end up with the sour grapes.

by adam316 on Sep 11, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta win tomorrow
if we still want to win this series.

It is as simple as that.

Good night from LA LA Land...

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 11, 2007 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Geneva Conventions
They are being ignored for baseball, because this is just absolute torture. And yet, I can't wait for tomorrow. I am a stupid, foolish human being.

by park on Sep 11, 2007 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Next Year...
Can we all agree that not mailing it in for the first two months of the season, as the Cubs have done the last several years, is crucial? They talk about it every spring, then go out and look lost until June.

I'm tired of it. I haven't seen the Carlos Lee catch, and I don't think I want to.  Too painful. Why couldn't that ball have just been a little more out of fatso's reach? I'll tell you why, because if there is a God, he hates the Cubs, and more importantly, all of us!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 11, 2007 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

None of that matters
if Kendall hadn't gifted the Astros a run in the 2nd.  Those pitches should've been blocked.  I blame Kendall not God, who probably could care less about the game of baseball considering everything else that's on his/her plate.

by cubsbak on Sep 11, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you!
It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

They would have to win two in a row
 starting tomorrow just to have a chance at 1st place all alone. Does anybody believe they can do it? I don't.

by Mapmaker on Sep 11, 2007 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Look at Milwaukee's schedule the last 10 games.
Then go get a diaper change...  The season ain't over.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 11, 2007 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

It looks tough
But I sick and tired of scoreboard wathcing while my team falls apart every other day

by Mapmaker on Sep 11, 2007 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not over...
but very close.

The confidence in a fan that I had in the summer months has gone.

they need to win 11 or 12 games to nail the thing down.

It would be pretty challenging for them to do that since they cannot even follow up a thrashing of their biggest rival with a win!

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

'Very close' ?
C'mon, Eman, you know you don't believe that.

Would it make you feel better if the Cubs just forfeited their remaining games?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

No - you're right Bruce
I am just FRUSTRATED.

But - wouldn;t most teams in similar positions, who just squash a hated foe, start a "run" of some kind?!

How do they manage to lose the momentum so quickly now?

I just do not get it.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm frustrated, too
One game doesn't give you momentum. It was a big win, no doubt about it.

You just have to execute. Maybe some of that is their fault. Maybe some of it is because of the Astros' pitching. The early bases-loaded situation with Lee didn't kill the Cubs tonight. It was the failures in the last four innings. Some of it was their fault. Some of it wasn't.

That's baseball. Believe it or not, it does happen to other teams, too.

When the Cubs played them a few weeks ago, they lost the first game of the series but came back to win the next two. We'll see if that repeats itself.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The lack of clutch hitting
was glaring tonight.  Geezus, can't anyone get a clutch hit?  Soriano was a complete zero and everyone else who had a shot couldn't come through.  Good teams don't do that.  So much for the carry over from yesterday!  WTF!!!

by Itchy on Sep 11, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Changes, 2008:
Jim Hendry will most likely be gone.

Lou Piniella will rid the team of players that do not follow his lead.

Cliff Floyd - gone.

Oh-Man! - gone.

Kendall - gone.

The god awful hitting "coach"? - Gone.

Murton - traded.

Ward - gone.

Fontenot - back in AAA or traded.

Monroe - gone.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 11, 2007 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do you want Ward gone?
He's been nothing but productive.

And it remains to be seen if Hendry will be gone.  This team is dramatically better than last year's team.  I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be gone, but I can see the line of thinking being "he's turning the ship around, so let's give him time."

The only other one that's questionable is Murton (he's cheap, so trading him doesn't make too much sense).  I think the others will be gone.

by SouthernCub on Sep 12, 2007 5:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do some research, guys
Find out how far behind the 2003 team was at this stage in the season. Or even later.

Then get back to me in two weeks.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs were 77-67
after game 144 (same as today). Went 11-7 the rest of the year to win it on the 2nd to last game of the season.

This team has played -5 since Aug 1, as have the Brewers.

Just the facts...

"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2007 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were tied for first in 2003
n/t
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2007 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not much of a difference, standings-wise
And yes, they did clinch it on the second-to-last day of the season.

Most likely, this race will come down to the same scenario this year.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 11, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

In 2003 they were in 3rd, 2½ out
went on to go 19-8 in September to win the division.

So far this September we are 5-5.

"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2007 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

To clarify
In 2003 on September 1 they were in 3rd, 2½ out
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thery were also 27-17
in one run games in 2003.

Here's the link to that season so you all can compare this team to the 2003 edition.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2003_sched.shtml

"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2007 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does
anyone else get that odd feeling in your legs and stomach when Soriano is up in a big atbat with 2 strikes?? You know, its that feeling where you KNOW they're going to roll some soft stuff somewhere out of the zone and you would bet the farm that he's going to hack at it sickly. THATS NOT WHAT YOUR LEAD OFF HITTER SHOULD FEEL LIKE. Everyone can ride the Soriano train; yeah, he's great when he's hot, because when he's hot, he's hot. But its damn pathetic when all you need is a God damn single, and that scrawny geek can't do a damn thing but try and pull an outside pitch 891 ft. You're right, this team feels like it cannot win two in a row. Remember those nice July/early August nights when you EXPECTED a win, and you were given one?? Now it feels like one win is such an emotional exhausting effort they have nothing in the tank. Granted, they got four early runs but for Christ's sake, QUIT TRYING TO MURDER EVERY PITCH. Honetly, if I could, I'd have 3 Jason Kendall's in my lineup. A contact guy who can fight EVERYTHING off and put the ball on the ground when needed. I love the Cubs, as we all do. I want them to do well, as we all do. But really, there comes a time when you call a spade a spade. This team cannot go anywhere playing this way. Period. If by a blue moon they win the Central, it will be the 2006 Padres, and opening round ass whipping and a crappy "Division Champs" T-Shirt that won't mean crap.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 11, 2007 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano has
more holes in his swing than a swiss cheese!  Nobody fears him, just tries not to throw him a strike!  He's a stiff!!!!!

by Itchy on Sep 11, 2007 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me about it...
You can almost hear what Lidge is thinking:

Lidge: Just set up outside, I'll  throw it over towards the on-deck circle, and we'll get him.

JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 11, 2007 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a waste of a signing.
Just a mistake hitter with a zillion dollar contract.  Hendry is a gone as soon as the new owner takes over.  I'd rather have Carlos Lee, he sucks on D but can at least deliver RBIs.

by Itchy on Sep 12, 2007 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a classic example
of a desperate GM trying to make a splash on a guy who played well in a contract year.

Tell me how much better this team would have been with Carlos Lee in LF.  Think of the lineup opportunities.

I just hope sweet Lou can get Fonzie to bat in the 4 or 5 hole next season. That will be a nice spring training project.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 12, 2007 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed.
soriano is fool's gold!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 12, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou make Soriano do something?
Don't expect it. So far it's been Soriano telling Lou what he wants. "I want to bat lead off. - OK, Alfonso, whatever you want." It seems that Soriano is the real manager of this club. Soriano's spot should have been moved this year. Next year is late.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't understand it...
...lou holds himself out as a "my way or the highway" type of manager yet it appears as though soriano is dictating to him where he is going to bat.

this has to be the case, because there is no way that lou actually believes that the cubs are best served with soraino in the 1 hole.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 12, 2007 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

See my post below.
Lou's style is "my way or the highway" and that's the problem. He doesn't adapt to the flow of the game.

It's a pattern. He will prefer a player with ML experience over one without it, every time, even if the older player is known to be mediocre, and will only seat the veteran if he doesn't produce repeatedly. By then you have lost several games.
If he bunts in the 8th, Lou will bunt in the 9th and the 10th and the 11th even if the situations are different. And as long as the player doesn't confront him and hits he'll let the veteran player do what he wants.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Scrawny geek"?
I wished Soriano were a geek because that would mean he has a brain.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 11, 2007 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point well taken...
n/t
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 12, 2007 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where's the Dempster apologist's?
 Where exactly in this thread can I go to find the section where all the todd walker, I mean Ryan Dempster excuses are at and apologists? Because I really want to feel sick to my stomach.

by lemon20pie on Sep 11, 2007 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree
with the above posts. This is what it boils down to:
             2-0 Count on Jones

 I know he had 3 hits, but you have to take a pitch, the ball was high in the zone, goodness Lidge had thrown 40 pitches in two innings

 Must win next two!!!!!

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 12, 2007 12:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Again...
That pitch was up in the zone where it was KILLED by Jones. If he takes that its 2-1. Which means he's letting Lidge back in the count. Lidge owns Jones, and probably knows some breaking stuff, such as the first two pitches he threw him in their first meeting tonight would even them up. Hitting is finding that one mistake and taking advantage of it. That was the mistake. Right down the chute at the letters, great pitch to hit.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 12, 2007 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball fundamentals 101
When a pitcher has walked 3 hitters in the same inning the hitter is supposed to take one strike, not one pitch but one strike, before he swings. Why? You want to make that pitcher get out of the jam only if he can straighten himself out, not because the hitters help him.

The hacker's approach is different. It is "me see fat ball: me swings and hit". The hacker "thinks" with his bat and does not use his brain. He just reacts and has no plan. And he always swings in that situation because sometimes, very sparingly, he gets a hit. But because he isn't thinking, he cannot remember the outs.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're off
Jones has a tendency to have bad AB's but his AB in the 11th was not one of them.  He hit the ball hard right at someone.  Nothing you can do about it.  He takes it for a strike and the count is 2-1 and Lidge can throw a slider if he wants.  Nothing wrong with Jones' approach in that spot.  He knew he was getting a fastball, got it, hit it hard but right at someone.  Nothing you can do.  Same exact approach as Scott in the bottom of the inning and his found the gap.  Simple as that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Sep 12, 2007 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then let him throw the slider.
Odds were it would be a ball because Lidge had no control over it before in the inning. Don't help the opposing pitcher!

Jesus! I can't believe people are defending such blatant lack of baseball sense.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

No
Baseball fundementals: hit the pitchers mistake. I PROMISE you thats the best pitch, and most hittable pitch he sees that whole at bat. So he takes it, its 2-1, now he  doesn't have to throw a strike, and Jones doesn't have the best eye. Its not like he checked his swing and offered at a crappy low slider. It was a meatball. Like I said, no one would be saying "He should have been taking" if he hit the gap. I can't believe you're saying to take it. If its any other pitch, yes, take it. He swung at the ONLY pitch worth swining at in that situation. Don't you know his numbers against Lidge?? Sure he got a hit earlier but did you see the crap swings he took on the first two pitches that at bat?? Jones did the rights things, he worked a count where Lidge had to throw something good  to hit. If he takes it, he wastes the BEST pitch he will see. Again, he takes it, its 2-1 now Lidge has the freedom to throw whatever he wants.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 12, 2007 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lidge couldn't throw whatever he wanted.
He was wild. he was done. The ball Jones hit was the only strike he threw in several pitches, and it was a high strike. Again, in that situation, take a strike. A good hitter can hit with one (and even two) in the count.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

First off
They had to fight for their walks. He didn't just throw 8 straight balls, the Cub hitters fought. Lidge was far from awful. BOTTOM LINE, IT WAS A DICKSHOT FASTBALL DOWN THE PLATE, AND IT WAS THE BEST, THE VERY BEST PITCH ANYONE WAS GOING TO SEE. HE HAMMERED IT. WHY AS A HITTER WOULD YOU WASTE THE VERY BEST PITCH YOU WILL SEE? To HOPE for a walk. No way, never. Attack the mistakes, thats what he did.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 12, 2007 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny
how how nobody brings up Derrek Lee's AB in the 2nd.  He was up with the bases loaded and had a 2-0 count on Backe, who was really struggling with his command (he had just walked a guy and hit the guy before that with a pitch).  Lee swung at a 2-0 slider low and away and popped out weakly to right.  Now THAT was a terrible AB.  Jones picked out a fastball right down the middle and hammered it.  It just went right to the center fielder.  The fact that you're picking on Jones and not even mentioning DLee, who really did have a bad AB, tells me that you just don't like Jones and are looking for an excuse to bash him.

by cubsbak on Sep 12, 2007 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon!
I didn't start this thread so I'm not bashing anyone. I'm just pointing out that Jones had a terrible at bat just as you are pointing out that Lee had a horrible at bat in the second inning. I agree with that.

I also agree that one at bat didn't cause the loss. The Cubs left men in scoring position many times last night.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

But I drew a distinction
between Lee's AB and Jones's AB.  Lee swung at a bad pitch, while Jones swung at a meatball right down the middle, which is exactly what he should've done.  You can't just take pitches hoping for a walk.  This isn't little league.  In the major leagues you get yourself into a hitters count, pick out a GOOD pitch, and put a good swing on it.  That's exactly what Jones did.  Lee on the other hand took a defensive swing at a bad pitch and popped out.  He's the guy to whom you should be lecturing about "baseball 101" fundamentals or whatever.

by cubsbak on Sep 12, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hack away, then!
I would rather see intelligent hitters, though. But if hacking is what the coaches teach these players, then I see why the team's OBP is so low. Taking a strike is a foreign or sacrilegous concept to many of them.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

If getting into a good hitters count
picking out a good pitch and putting a good swing on it is considered "hacking away" in your book, then yes, I agree, they should be hacking away.

by cubsbak on Sep 12, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom Line
As someone said earlier -- NO CLUTCH HITTING TONIGHT !!!
Runners in scoring postion with one out and failures --
8th -- Soriano and Theriot
9th -- DeRosa
10th -- Fontenot and Soriano
11th -- Ramirez and Jones

This has been the theme song for most of the season -- we cannot for whatever reason get someone to drive in a run when we really need it.

RELIEF PITCHERS -- After tonite, three RELIEF pitchers have lost approximately 25% of our games this year -- Dempster, Howry, and Ohman. Ohman has been consistent all year -- LOUSY. Howry has done the job the last two months but gave away the farm in April, May, and June. Dempster -- 6 losses does not a closer make. He is mediocre at best. Tonite not a blown save but a LOSS -- his mantra is throw it up there and hope one of the fielders can catch up with it. Just ask yourself -- as I have done on one too many occasions this year - how confident are you when this guy trots out to the mound in a save or game on the line situation? I for one have this amount of confidence -- ZERO  !! Tonight was tough because Lou had already used Marmol and Carlos did the job once again.
I know the end is not here and there are three weeks = 2-1/2 = to go but we need to string a few victories in a row and not be in a position where we lose and hope that the Brewers do the same. WE NEED TO WIN MORE THAN ONE IN A ROW !!!
There is not much we can do other than hope that someone can step up in a game -- like tonite -- and get a meaningful hit. PLEEEZZZ --- get the job done.
And one last thing -- Lou -- please reconsider using Trachsel on Thursday. Use Hart or Marshall, then use the one you don't use on Thursday in the Saturday double dip. PLEASE !!! DO NOT RISK ANY MORE GAMES WITH STEVE TRACHSEL.

by ceegeewow on Sep 12, 2007 12:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Those relievers have lost those games...
not because they are bad but because they are the main relievers and throw most of the games in relief. Therefore, they are going to have more wins and losses than the other relievers who do not have so many appearances.

This is a solid bullpen. But nobody can be perfect and hang zeroes every time. Blame the offense for lack of clutch hitting, again.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

RELIEVERS --
Why not look at teams whose relievers have not done what ours have --
Just take the three pitchers with the most appearances --

Milwaukee --  9 losses and 43 saves -- +34
St. Louis --  4 losses and 30 saves -- +26
San Diego -- 14 losses and 39 saves -- +25
Arizona   -- 10 losses and 49 saves -- +39
Dodgers   --  5 losses and 40 saves -- +35
Mets      -- 10 losses and 36 saves -- +26
Angels    --  7 losses and 36 saves -- +29
Cleveland --  8 losses and 41 saves -- +33
Boston    --  5 losses and 39 saves -- +34

Cubs      -- 17 losses and 33 saves -- +16

by ceegeewow on Sep 12, 2007 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again, lack of chances.
Those teams score often and early, as a general rule. That means more saves and less chances to lose for the bullpen. It doesn't detract from the quality job this bullpen has done, in general, during the season. Unfortunately, the hitters have put the pen on the spot more times than what should be considered fair.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

This one's on Lou (again).
Another game with no offense. And the manager squandered the few late chances we had to score.

Before we get on Dempster's case again, remember that closers are usually effective for only one inning. Best example: Lidge's second inning tonight. He only escaped because Jones didn't learn that when a pitcher is walking every hitter you have to take a strike before you swing at one.

Before we lament Kendall's passed ball, let's be fair and give him credit for bunting well, getting timely hits and walks, getting an RBI and handling the relievers. It's not easy and he did it.

Before we pull our hairs remembering Soriano's horrible night both on defense and at the plate, remember who put him up there as leadoff hitter. Unfortunately, he ended leading off several times, unsuccessfully as usual. Finally a pitching staff figured out that all you have to do is not to throw low and in at Soriano and you'll get your K or pop up.

Yes, Lou insists this brainless player is a leadoff hitter. Lou also let Marquis bat for himself in the 5th with men on base (Marquis failed the bunt attempt, again) when everybody at the park knew that the guy had nothing left in the tank. Of course, Marquis proceeeded immediately to let the Astros tie the game and didn't record an out. In the end, Lou didn't pinch hit for the starter in a key situation only to to have to take him out of the game almost immediately, anyway.

In the latter innings, Lou ordered Kendall to bunt even though the guy was the only one hitting consistently tonight. Sure enough, the Astros walked the PH (Ward) to pitch at the brainless leadoff guy who again, hacked away unsuccessfully and did not have an intelligent approach at the plate.

And that's the problem with Lou. He is too stubborn. Once he decides that something has to be done a certain way he doesn't adapt to the changing circumstances. For instance, Soriano is going to lead off no matter what. Since Lou bunted with Pie in the ninth he did it also with Kendall in the tenth. He didn't see the diferences between both situations. Marquis has to last more than 5 innings, so he is gonna hit in the 5th and pitch in the 6th. Lou couldn't see that Marquis had given him everything he had by the 5th inning already.

I don't want to blame Lou for the lack of fundamentals of this team. That's on the organization's minor leagues coaches and on the Dusty regime. But these boneheaded moves have let me understand why Lou couldn't win it all in Seattle and why the media pounded him when he managed in New York. He is unable to adapt to the flows of a close game.

Meanwhile, Joe Girardi, NL Manager of the Year, was in Toronto broadcasting the Yankees game. Go figure!

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 12:29 AM CDT reply actions  

See the trend?
Last ten games:

Brewers 7-3
Cubs 4-6
Cardinals 3-7

The record may be the same as the 2003 team but the trend is different at this point of the season. The Cubs better start to reverse that trend now because it is getting late in the season.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs
had a chance to put the Brewers out of their misery the last couple of weeks, but they let them off the mat, the same way they let the stros of the mat tonight.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 12, 2007 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
This loss does hurt but wow.  This is incredible...some of the stuff that's being said in here is venomous.  

The bottom line is that there were TONS of opportunities and they just didn't pan out.  

I'm an eternal optimist as well - it's not over until it's over.  

I've seen a few people saying that this team doesn't deserve to go to the playoffs or even win the world series.  What?  Why is it sacrilege for ANY team to win the world series?  Like it devalues it?  BULLSHIT.  

What about the lifelong, HARDCORE, fans like my mom and grandfather who may not make it to the next world series?  Yea lets forfeit the season cause we don't "deserve" to be in the world series and forget about those who may not be fortunate enough to BE around to say "wait until next year".

That's what bothers me the most about the statement that any team doesn't deserve to win the world series.  Please don't say anything nearly that stupid again.

I'm an optimist until there is no more mathematical reason to be.  I'm a fan so if my team makes it to the world series, I'm behind them 100%.  Join me or don't.  It's up to you.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Sep 12, 2007 2:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I know plenty of "HARDCORE" fans
such as my 87 year old dad who would disagree with you.

Who have watched Cubs teams over the years grab defeat from the jaws of victory, make dumb mistakes, fail to capitalize on other teams errors, fail to hit with RISP, lose leads, have the closer blow it, etc.

His opinion, as others here are just as valid as yours, and if they feel the team does not deserve to make the playoffs, because they couldn't beat the teams they needed to - due to the lack of talent - then they are entitled to their opinions as well.

It doesn't make them, or my dad, any "less of a fan".

You just chose to look at this (lack of) playoff run with a glass is half-full outlook. Which is great for you.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 12, 2007 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the Astros
i hate that team who isn't playing of anything..
and what the hell even is an "Astro?"
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 12, 2007 6:21 AM CDT reply actions  

You're kidding, right?
Or you are young, and then I'd understand.

Houston -- the home of NASA? Our space program?
"Astro-nauts?" Mission Control? Walking on the moon? Is history no longer taught?

"It" was very topical in 1965, when the -- "Astrodome" opened.

With our space program using a 30-year-old platform (the woefully outdated Space Shuttle) to orbit this earth, I can see why nobody who is youthful knows (or cares) anymore.

It's like riding a '77 Torino into space these days. Pitiful.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 12, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch
15 men left on base. We can complain about Dempster or Kendall's passed ball all we want, but 15 left on base is the story. Had them down 4-1 after three innings and didn't score another run the rest of the night. Once again, the lack of potent offense lost this game. I just knew we would have trouble with Houston. It doesn't make any sense considering they are the worst team in the division, but we can't seem to beat them on the road this year. I have more confindence in our ability to win in St. Louis, I just hope we aren't three games out by the time we get there.

by qccub on Sep 12, 2007 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Playoff odds from SI.
For those who care about these stats. The playoff odds were compiled by Baseball Prospectus.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/09/11/playoff.odds/index.html?eref=sixtra_newslet ter"target=_blank"

They did not take last night's loss as a given, of course, because the odds were posted before, but I assume they did not expect the Cubs to be unbeaten the rest of September, either. And, yes, SI's article says 83 wins are enough to win the division by the closest of margins.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 12, 2007 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

The BP odds...
... are updated every day on this very site, on the right sidebar.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 12, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

looking at my calendar...
...it reads 2007!

so why all of the impertinent references/comparisons to 2003?

last night was an inconceivable loss, but the cubs will bounce back tonight.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 12, 2007 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

The point of making comparisons...
... is to show that other playoff runs have looked a lot bleaker than this, later in the season, and so those who run around saying, in essence, "the sky is falling!!" ought to take a deep breath and wait.

I agree, they WILL bounce back tonight.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 12, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al is right
1 game out can turn to 2 games up in no time flat with 18 left to play.  The problem is, you need to start winning games by playing good baseball and most importantly, have your best players be your best players.

The frustrating thing about this team is blown opportunties.  On paper, you would think they are a club that would pounce if given something on a platter, but they have proven over 144 games that isn't the case.  The 03 club of August/Sept would have wiped the floor with the 07 club, mostly because the 03 team was a team that would feed on another teams mistakes and make you pay, this club just doesn't posses that same quality.  

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 12, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

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