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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Friday 9/14, 7:10 CT

Yelloncard_tiny by Al on in Game Threads Comment 612 comments

The Cubs have had several "biggest series in four years" already this summer.

This one certainly ranks as the biggest. After struggling for several weeks, the Cubs are now on a nice 4-out-of-6 run; their 53-40 record since June 2 is still best in the NL -- and one-half game better than the Red Sox record since that date.

A few miscellaneous stat notes: the 20 HR the Cubs have hit in 13 September games is more than they hit the entire months of July (13) and August (19). Keep this up and, as we saw the last two days, good things can follow. They are 8-4 vs. St. Louis this year, 4-1 at Busch Stadium III.

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Fun for today: Bruce Miles speculates on what might have been if the Cubs had actually won, instead of lost, in 2003.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
 C. Zambrano
Cubs		 vs. Adam Wainwright
 A. Wainwright
Cardinals
15-12 W-L 13-10
4.26 ERA 3.75
163 SO 117
92 BB 61
21 HR 11
vs. StL -- vs. Cubs
Z threw well in his last start, something the Cubs desperately need him to do in order to win this thing. He's supposed to be the #1 guy, the "ace". He's owned the Cardinals, not only this year (2-0, 2.03), but in his career (7-4, 2.45, in 17 starts and one relief appearance). He's handled Albert Pujols (.205/.294/.455 in 44 AB) well. Go get 'em!

Adam Wainwright is the Cardinals' best starter -- some would say their ONLY starter, as the rest of the rotation is converted relievers and castoffs and minor leaguers. The Cubs have beat the living daylights out of him three times already this year, including two times in St. Louis (0-2, 11.44 ERA in 2007 vs. the Cubs). Jacque Jones (.462/.533/.615 in 13 AB) and Ryan Theriot (6-for-10) have hit him particularly hard.

Today's game is once again cable-only. It's also available on EI, and at the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

MLB.com Gameday for the Brewers/Reds game (7:05 CT starting time)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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BIG Z...
back at it...as someone posted earlier on the other thread...let's hope Z is Cy Young tonight and not Cy Ko... :)
"If you were a hotdog, would you eat yourself? I know I would!!!"

by TheRiot4Life on Sep 14, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

big Z
needs to set the table...3 of 4 would be a great this weekend!
You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 14, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets extend the lead tonight
go Cubs!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

cubs cards, bears at home
what a weekend, I hope for cubs wins decided by the sixth and the football game to be over by halftime!  C'mon Z!

by Les Lancaster on Sep 14, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Z" I believe
is the key tonight. Get us a good solid start, don't go to the bullpen early ( 4 games 3 days )and that important first win of a series, and oh, put the Cards back another game.

Lets have a good night Cubs.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 14, 2007 3:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget...
... Let's Go Reds!!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes yes yes!!! Go Big Red Machine!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Yes yes yes!!! Go Big Red Machine!!!
Aw c'mon, dude. Repeating yourself already? You're losing your edge.
Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 14, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That picture will never lose it's edge.
And neither will I.

Represent.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link, Al
I tried to have some fun with that (sore) subject. Our "dead tree" edition, as you call it, has a really nice presentation. We separate my fictional news stories from my commentary with italic type. Our desk and graphics people did a great job.

by Bruce Miles on Sep 14, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wish...
... they could make that sort of presentation on the website. It was clear what you were doing, but they could have set off the "what if" from the "reality" text in some way.

Fun article!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

War of the Worlds syndrome
In reality much of what was written would have happened. Living with Baker and McPhail would be horrible, plus Sosa would still be here,
Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh... but would it have been worth it?
Would you be willing to live with Baker, McPhail, and of course His Samminess, if it meant parading that World Series trophy around Wrigley Field, Chicago, and John Kass' desk?

What price, a Cubs fan's soul?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is...
... that if the Cubs had indeed won, that the management in charge would have produced the winner we all have longed for.

No matter what successes or failures they would have had in the future, they'd always have had that title, just as Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen have theirs.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But
they didn't win, in part because the management in charge wasn't good enough.  The bullpen on that team was too thin and Dusty just isn't a good enough manager to win the big one, IMO.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Miles' Article
Kent Mercker isn't the only one who has had a big F-U for Stone.

What that article really does is spotlight how much different, like night and day, it is for the Cubs with Piniella as opposed to Baker. Who would have thought a guy in his early to mid 60's would be such a breath of fresh air for this team? The turn around has really been remarkable.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 14, 2007 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting that Bruce
Doesn't tell us what the Cubs did against the Yankees.

Also, it's total fiction to write "spectacular catch" and "made by" and "Moises Alou" in the same sentence.

You'll never convince me Alou catches the ball anyway.

I might not be on much tonight. I am literally going to be frothing at the mouth by the first pitch.

So, for Al's sanity, I'm going to try to stay away from my computer.

by lancaster99 on Sep 14, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL
LITERALLY frothing at the mouth? Make sure you have your rabies shots.

;)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, you didn't get the memo?
"Literally" now means "figuratively."  The jury is still out on what word replaces "literally."
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 14, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.
How about "jambalaya". Could that be the replacement?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm
I jambalaya have no idea what you are talking about.
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 14, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even
a game and a half lead this late is a big deal!  Need to see some good Big Z tontight!
Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Sep 14, 2007 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

offense
If we get beat, it will be 1-0 or 2-1 or 3-2 or the like.  We need the offense to score 6 or more and take some pressure off the pitching.

by milo on Sep 14, 2007 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Assuming
there isn't a Zambrano meltdown in the 5th inning, God forbid.

by JFCubFan on Sep 14, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs vs Red Sox in 03
I can't recall if it was SI or ESPN but one of them did a great bit
at the time of the Cubs/Red Sox World Series that never happened. The thing I remember best and still cracks me up was an irate Pedro Martinez tossing Darren Baker ( who had wandered on to the field) into the stands where he is miraculously caught by J.T Snow.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 14, 2007 4:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember that...
but I do remember the SI issue from 1994 where they played out the rest of the season and the Cubs ended up winning in 7 games.  I don't remember the details, but I'm sure it's still sitting in my closet at my grandparents' house.

Here's the cover...

http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1994/0822.html

by grogg2434 on Sep 14, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYC cub fans tonight
I'm going to catch at least the first half of the game at Standings Bar if any other BCBers in NYC are without Extra Innings.  Show up around 8 if you want to get in on the free pizza they have!  (www.standingsbar.com)  7th St and 2nd ave (43 7th st).

by Mr Snrub on Sep 14, 2007 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the offer but I will stay in
I can't hide under the covers or channel surf the scary parts
at a bar. I got my dish so I will  make it. However maybe we should plan a night out ( or in if you want me to host in my little hovel ). I like the East Village but I live in the West Village so
I generally tread over there for cheap good food.
Enjoy the free pizza, I am econimizing with leftovers to cover
my trips to Chicago & Cincy for the following two weekends
Anyway other NYC folks lets get together before the end of the season.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 14, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool
all right- let's keep a get together in mind for later in september.  i'm going to be overseas for hte first two weeks of october, so i'll be up early watching the games and will be back for the NLCS and the WS, if need be.

by Mr Snrub on Sep 14, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep me updated too, i'm in brooklyn
would love to meet some fellow cubs fans

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 14, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Thanks for the notice.  I'm sorry I missed it -- got last minute tickets to the Phillies-Mets game.

by John Q Freejazz on Sep 14, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What to watch for with Z
It was noticed by advanced scouts that for some reason Z's arm slot had fallen against left handers going lower and flattening out his ball.

If Z is right, he will have elevated his arm slot and throw his fastball and slider that dips out of one plain into another.

If he is wrong he gets hit or he can't throw strikes.

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say this series is where we find out...
if the wheels are coming off or not.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're ...
Very handy with the art today, SWL ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been called worse than handy...thanks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why
 but when Zambrano pitches I fell it necessary to do a pre-game double check on the beer count in the fridge.

by jimhickman on Sep 14, 2007 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I trust you keep a supply of 200 proof
stuff for the bullpen.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 14, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find
 that after enough beers I become convinced that Bruce Sutter is the Cubs close so I look forward to Leo comming out and making that call to the pen.

by jimhickman on Sep 14, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who issues the first ...
Hit batsman tonight?  I cannot believe Lou has forgotten that garbage La Russa was throwing at DeRo on Monday ... hehehe ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say we knock'm all out...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you know ...
Pujols will whine like a girl if he gets hit.  He's such a baby.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know its off topic
but O.J. Simpson does Vegas!

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14112984/detail.html

I like the part where he said it was a sting operation to get memorabilia that was stolen from him!! hahah, try and lie your way out of this OJ..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My question is ...
Who the hell really wants to see the suit he was acquitted in?  Freakin' beyond freaks.

LRRF

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups
Cubs:
  1. A Soriano, LF
  2. R Theriot, SS
  3. D Lee, 1B
  4. A Ramirez, 3B
  5. C Floyd, RF
  6. M DeRosa, 2B
  7. J Jones, CF
  8. J Kendall, C
  9. C Zambrano P
Cardinals:
  1. A Miles, 2B
  2. R Ankiel, RF
  3. A Pujols, 1B
  4. J Edmonds, CF
  5. S Schumaker, LF
  6. Y Molina, C
  7. B Ryan, 3B
  8. A Wainwright, P
  9. D Eckstein, SS

by gocubs40 on Sep 14, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see D-Lee back.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More thoughts...
Percota has the Cubs 58% chance of winning the division, Brewers 40%.

I have gone through the schedule and it appears to me that 83 wins would demand a playoff (if lucky) and 84 wins also would demand a playoff...

Cubs will need to exceed 85 wins and 86 will assure a division title of probably 2 games...

My thoughts are that the Brewers will now go 10-7 (taking 2/3 against Cincinnati & @Houston, losing 3/4  @Atlanta, sweeping the crashing Cards, and then splitting the four with SD.

That would mean the Cubs will need to go 11-5, 3/4 @StL, 2/3 Cinci, 2/3 Pitts, 2/3 @FL and 2/3 @Cincinnati. 11-5 wins it outright with 2game difference.  

Winning this game is key to the finish

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True ...
The Cubs are in control of their own destiny.  To stay that way, they gotta keep winning.  Still, I'm too scared to look!

LRRF

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love it
ESPN ignores the best rivalry in baseball (Cubs-Cards) to broadcast Yankees-Red Sox, again.  So who do they send to broadcast it?  A former Cubs manager and a former Cubs pitcher.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 6:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN should change it's name to...
...YRSN (Yankees Red Sox Network).
You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 14, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh
this game tonight for the Cubs means more than this

and they are showing TWO Red Sox - Yankees games. Show alittle respect for the Cubs, please..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Dustbin ...
Is in the booth ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They already are that network.
The Eastern Seaboard Programming Network. Isn't that what the letters stand for?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a wonderful world it would be
if there were 162 Yankee-Red Sox games every season.

by JFCubFan on Sep 14, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't wait for tonight's game........
I Love Baseball in Autumn.

Go Cubs !!!

Go Z  !!!

by coral on Sep 14, 2007 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The time is NOW! Let's widen our lead!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes!
That looks like my friend the erotica writer!  Eeeeek!

Go Cubbies!

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
these are getting kind of old, imo
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any Tean Can Have A Bad Century
Here's the world's longest link. These shirts are on ebay. I have no financial stake here whatsoever. I just happened to see them and thought some people might be interested.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZwatdog77QQssPageNameZMERCQ5fVICQ5fRCRXQ5fPr4Q5fPcN Q5fQ5fSI

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 14, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How we feeling tonite boys and girls??
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll know more ...
After a Cubs' victory.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too funny ...
The Cardinals' announcers have just stated, "We're in a pennant race!"  Obviously, they haven't met that sometimes-bitter thing called Reality.

Go, Cubbies!

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well that was strange
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 14, 2007 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That HGH
sure is helping Ankiel's defense too.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano has walked six times...
...to lead off an inning after that.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 14, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Why move Theriot back up to #2?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

record against wainwright
He has beat the snot out of Wainwright in his career.  Len said it was either him or Jones #2 tonight.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone have the pitch count?
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

22 in the first
I'm disappointed they did not score, but Wainwright does not look unbeatable out there.  And the deeper they can get into the Cardinal bullpen, the more amusing the DH might become.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget the Cards 'pen
They have the 4th best bullpen ERA in the NL.  Score off the starters who are the 2nd worst.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gracias Amigos
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cinci up
4-0 in the first.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Floyd!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Missed Opportunity
Man Wainwright was vulnerable there.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Riot
must feel as if he's cursed....

by chucolo on Sep 14, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tight K zone tonight
from McClelland.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i hate how zambrano
throws alot of pitches early..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

9 pitches to the lead-off man
I wish the Cubs had more 8-10 pitch ABs when they are hitting.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

does this ump
plan to call a strike tonight??
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And HGH boy STILL strikes out
Can't wait until he's back on the bus to the Quad Cities.

by lancaster99 on Sep 14, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talent
I think that we've found something that anKiel does well!

Is HGH useful to a guy who can't make contact?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Sep 14, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

.270
I think that nobody in the Cubs lineup tonight is hitting under .270 as a Cub.  (They don't have Kendall's AL-NL split on Gameday)  

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

take pitches tonight!!
No, Mark - take a few pitches.  There's barely any strike zone...

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ben sheets sure looks like an ace tonight
huh?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

feel like we let Wayne Right
off the hook in the first.....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

*Sigh*
Can we wait on stuff like this at least until the second inning is over, please?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just a comment NBF
Am I not allowed that in your rose colored world?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't "rose colored"
To make a statement like that after one inning is, dare I say, idiotic.

Maybe by the sixth or seventh, if Wainwright has mowed down the Cubs in order, it might be more appropriate.

Why don't you relax and enjoy the game?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am enjoying it....quite a bit in fact
Perhaps you have never witnessed a good pitcher struggle in the first inning and then get stronger as the game goes along....

Isnt this a forum for commentary not personal critisims?

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All commentary isn't created equally
If you say something that's dead wrong, I'm free to point that out.

Someone disagreed with me below. And he was free to disagree, too.

Like I said, why don't you wait until the seventh inning or so before you call this one over, which is basically what you did in the bottom of the second? At least then you'd have more of a point.

Sheesh.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you see "its over" in my commentary?
No you didnt, you made a uninformed assumtion on my commentary combined with a personal attack.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That certainly was the implication
in your post.

If you don't want to open yourself up for personal attack, then you shoud post something other than a hanging curve ball.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if you can't take the trouble
to at least spell the pitcher's name correctly, maybe you should think about a few other things before you post, too.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we let wayneright off the hook in the first.
That's a fact, how it will impact the game? No one knows...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's the case
but enough.

I forgot how much fun it was NOT to read the game threads the last two days, and how much fun it was to read the hyperventilation over nothing afterward.

I think I'll go back to doing that.

And you still can't spell the pitcher's name correctly.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and just because it bothers you
WAYNERIGHT.

I'll worry about spelling names right when you stop the personal insults.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wayne-wrong
And the hits just keep on coming.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now 5-0 Reds
another jack, didn't catch who it was

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano's
stupid steal attempt could loom large.  That had no chance and it cost the Cubs at least 1 run in that inning.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was worth a try
And if he made it, he'd look like a genius. Molina made a nice play.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
It wasn't worth a try.  Molina's the best in the league at throwing out runners and Soriano's burst hasn't been there since the injuries.  And Wainwright was struggling with his command.  It was stupid.  Very stupid.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps
His burst has been coming back but hasn't been seen up to this point. If Wainwright was struggling with his command, that's even more reason to do it, since odds are Molina wouldn't be able to make a decent throw.

It was not very stupid. Relax.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was stupid.
Very stupid.  His burst obviously hasn't been coming back.  You could see it in the replay.  He was out by a mile and the pitch was a breaking ball.  And Molina is the best in the league.  It had no chance to work.  You're absolutely wrong here.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't term it "very stupid"
but in the grand scheme of things, it probably won't matter much, anyway.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that?
Can you tell me tonight's lottery numbers too?  

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could
but why would I want anybody else to know? :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA HA
Good one.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 15, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in that situation
With two out, absolutely.  

But with one out, I have to think that if we can all spot that the HP ump has a tight strike zone, then the advance scouts know that as well.

Plus, it's one of the flying Molina brothers back there, not Mike Piazza or Jason Kendall.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But is it worth
making the third out in that spot?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With two out, yes
With Ramirez up, I'd do it.  The odds of a CS are more profitable than the odds of (Ramirez getting an XBH OR Ramirez and Floyd both getting singles/walks)

Worst case is that Ramirez leads off the 2nd.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
With 1 out and your 3rd and 4th hitters coming up (i.e. your run producers) you just can't run yourself out of an inning.  That was just dumb.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hate edmonds
when is he going to get his Social Security deposits?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes
wAY TO WIGGLE off the line Z!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pitches through 2 - Z 35, W 33
For whoever it was who asked about pitch counts earlier...

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3 pitches
2 outs.  COME ON...take some pitches!!!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

aaarggghhhhh
What part of "the Cardinals bullpen for four games" does this team not understand.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

soriano
take some damn pitches!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
Wainwright tired himself out running the bases.  LET'S GET SOME RUNS!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done Z
now let's put up some runs (and how about working some counts?!?!?)!

by cubrandy on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano
needs to stop worrying about trying to pitch a no-hitter.  Every time he comes off the mound after giving up his first hit, he looks pissed.  Remember what Lou said..."It's OK to win a game 6-2."

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I see runs this inning
Open the flood gates...now!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kids stop yer squabblin'
Sheets out after 3, Capuano starts the 4th..5-0 Reds

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tee hee
What's with the bottom of this division?  They play like garbage most of the time, then they wake up against the top of the division.

But I'll take it!

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just so long as
the Reds revert to the mean starting Monday.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
In 2004 the Reds swept the Cubs at Wrigley, effectively ending their playoff hopes.  Lets hope they cool down next week.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Ramirez!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow floyd good job
1 pitch, one out..thats getting the job done..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn .333 hitter this month
How dare you make an out.  And on one pitch too!  How can we get to their bullpen who have a run and a half better ERA than their starters?  Darn!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, now, CC
Sorry that post isn't "rose colored" enough for you. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon guys
Get some runs before they get their bullpen involved.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on DeRo
Just a hit!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hice hitting
1-0!

Ok Z, now you have your lead, so relax.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

love the two out RBI!!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you DeRosa~
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!
DERO!!!!!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1-0 CUbs
Smmmmmoken!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay Z
Have fun adn relax. Mown them down!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!
Double Play. I love it.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good job edmonds!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
Bust it open Cubbies. Great start to the night.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theriot to DeRosa to Lee....
...really doesn't roll off the tongue, does it.

by mistersite on Sep 14, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dp
Sweet!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hrbosky and the other d-head
pander to the home audience "We're in it!!"
Put them out of their misery...do it soon. Z's on his game....put a 4-spot up NOW.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They
might be the worst announcers in the league.  They've got almost no chemistry, lots of dead air, and they add nothing in the way of analysis.  I can't remember when I've heard worse.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boring as hell ...
What's weird is that Hrobosky had such personality on the mound and in the booth, he's got zip.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cory hart is starting to make me mad
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is he doing ...
His best Ryan Braun impression?
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and prince fielder has to be hanging out
with ankiel
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rather quiet in here tonight....
...Cubs must be winning, eh?    :-)

Hawk, you here?

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

spiezo looks like a tool
especially with that crappy piece of "hair" on his chin..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shut up!
it's a soul patch, OK??????

by cubs2234 on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Friday night
Cubs up 1-0
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got home and turned on the TV....
How'd the Cubs get their run?
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by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel ...
Overplayed a ball, DeRo drove A-Ram in ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRo drove A-Ram in
Thanks...
is Z pitching well then?
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by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
Ankiel had a chance on that.  Ramirez's double was hit pretty hard.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True ...
But you gotta give Ankiel an Oscar nod for his play.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa
hit a 2 out flare to left.  Drove in Aramis after a ground rule double.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That portly 1B man
hit a dinger -- 5-2 Reds.

This FSN Midwest team is pretty bad (No Buck) but it doesn't come close to the crap that SD or the Chisox run out there on TV. Hrabosky is a shill, and the pbp guy has his pom poms and is just average.

I understand the home audience is the target, but there's no reason to be stupid. ("Would somebody E-mail us and tell us who started the game for the Brewers??")

Rank minor league -- have your producer look it up, you idiot.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The brewers are LOSING too?!! COOL!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

66 through 5 for Z
I know Lou is going to want to pull him early today because he's going to go on three days rest against the Reds - maybe even before 100 pitches.  But I'd really like to see Z get through 7 before turning it over to the bullpen.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too
I would think Marmol may be unavailable tonight since he went 2 innings last night.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only bummer for ME is I gotta watch the game
listening the Cards comms....(yuk!)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not alone Blue
thankfully this is the only time we must access  FSN Midwest -- WGN/Comcast on sat, WGN Sun.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WGN/Comcast on sat, WGN Sun
Sounds like a made-to-order weekend Jazz Man.

Maybe DA Bearsss will right their ship too and stomp KC...?   (fingers crossed)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chiefs are screwed
O line losses for 2 straight years + inexperienced QB, and that O is gonna be poor this year.

Damn you ALBERT!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
They suck.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z
isnt dominating.  I think he is getting squeezed a bit, but he is hanging tough and not giving up any lasers.  

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he is hanging tough and not giving up any lasers
That's good to know....thanks CC.

From what I've seen already, it looks like a tight one tonight.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick somebody tell Dane Cook
Cabrera and the Marlins won't be playing in October...

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they show the Marlins
but not the Cubs who are actually in a race?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who picks Dane Cook to sell October baseball?
He should be fired.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be
MLB Advanced Media, who bring you mlb.com. You see, Dane Cook is bringing in a younger 'demographic.' Dane Cook is without talent, but that's besides the point.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh
cubs hitting the ball well..just not getting anytging good..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't want to start a squabble
But the 1st inning can be a turning point -- why can't it be? It would have been nice to come out of that inning with the first run of the game...
2-0 looms large w/Z. But 1-0 is wafer thin, since Wainwright has turned his night around.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

careful there, NBF will be all over you for having
an opinion.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My opinion is
You should learn how to spell.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the issue never was
Whether Wainright was let off the hook.

It was making that observation IN THE SECOND INNING.

But I'm sure this distinction is lost on you.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBF
told everyone the first inning won't matter.  He can predict the future.  Move along...nothing more to see here.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently
JB can tell the future, too, because he was telling everybody it was, essentially, the end of the game.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad
didn't want to kick start anything. My point is I hate after the game to look back and realize the first inning was the key to the game. It's so obvious when something comes late -- but early in the game, people tend to shrug it off.

All 9 are meaningful.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, SDSJM
Your point is a valid one -- one that, in hindsight, can been seen.

My problem was with people essentially calling it after the second inning goes 1-2-3.

I think I even pointed out that jb should wait until the sixth or seventh to make such an observation, if it's to have any validity.

You're one of the best posters around here, so coming from you, now, this makes more sense.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanx
Last night was a good example. Woody Williams got his act together after the first -- but that inning, essentially -- decided the game.

Greg Maddux made a career out of that. So many times, he sucked in the 1st -- but if he was able to wriggle off the hook, so to say -- he'd control the game.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your pure comedy....
we let him off the hook then and now anyone would agree, except you who looks to pick an arguement for arguemnts sake.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not you jazz man...nbf
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see punctuation
isn't your strong suit, either.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One run might be enough
The way Z is pitching...Cubs are hitting.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One run might be enough
...guess not....   (bummer)

I dislike Poo-holes greatly.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice play by The Riot there...
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by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HGH out again
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Poo holes...
what a schmuck!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doggone POOH HOLES!!!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh come on, pujols?
why aren't we walking that guy yet. make someone else do it. arg.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pujols
eff you..go take some more hgh from ankiel while your running around the bases..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Len said he was in a slump
After the HR, Len said it had been something like 75 AB without a HR.

I can live with that - it's Albert Freaking Pujols, not Neifi!  It's going to happen.  And Z has been good over his career against Pujols.

Now the question is whether Z will keep it together, or freak out.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Pujols would disappear
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...me too Hawk.
Waddup dude - how's lynnwood tonight?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't complain! Love how its finally cooling off
around here. Getting to be football weather
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting to be football weather
Yep.
And whatEVER the case is, you and I GOTTA hook up for the seachickens / Bearsss game in November!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt bro!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solo shot
Better then 2 or 3.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly...
Now if we could get our bats warmed up
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Floyd gets it back!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Floyd is HOTTT
sizzlin.....

by bloomerang on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CLIFFY!!!!
Does it again!!  3 nights in a row!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uncle Cliffy is red hot!!!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff is on fire!!
who'd have taken odds on Cliff hitting 3 HR in all of September, much less in three straight games?

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

floyd. yes!!!!!!
belted. is that three games in a row? floyd is now carrying us.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

floyd!!!
where has his power been all year!

needed that!

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OH CLIFFY
Stay HOT baby!
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CLIFFY!!!!!!!
He's on a TEAR!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Floydy is feeling it!!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup
When he returned at the beginning of the week, you could tell immediately that he was relaxed, feeling good, and totally focused at the plate. I'm actually not at all surprised by his past three games. I'm loving the timing of it, too.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 14, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And right about now
some hearts are sinking at Miller park
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 14, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CF
Hot man on campus!!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now...
...is when I wish we didn't have to use Marmol yesterday

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 14, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

crafty baserunning there...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heads up BR there Mr. Kendall....
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

kendall on good
pinch hit? i think not!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Out in front
there Z.  Watch the high heat

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA!! That was great...Z ALMOST broke
his bat...but then held up...
LOL!!   Too funny!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it's soriano's bat.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looked like z was about to break soriano's bat
over his knee.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Carlos
Don't take that AB with you out to the mound.  1 more inning.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't take that AB with you out to the mound
Word.

That's been Z's shortcoming, especially as of late.

Just stay focused is all I ask...

And with that LEE / Z combo, looks like he still is....(whew!)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

z strikes out
but doesnt really matter

i say keep Z in as long as he wants to.

play to win today, not later..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Depending on how many pitches
Z has to go through, a complete game is NOT out of the question tonight.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree, with a DH tm'w
this game is so important...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Complete Game
Pitch count shouldnt be a problem.  Z is usually good for 120.  He is at 87 now.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that going to be it for Wainwright?
He's due up 4th this inning - I can't imagine that they'd let him hit if his spot comes up.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK....what are the odds
of that happening twice within 3 days.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PROOF!!!
The worm has turned!

No more cheap singles!

Ha!

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ironic play...
guess they all even out!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!
What a play!!  

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's our quota of ground balls
off 1B for the season. Won't ever happen again.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs got away with one there...he was safe.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats with the ball hitting the
damn bag lately
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol
wow, thats unbelievable
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos
He has good movement.

But where has velocity gone tonight?  Is he cutting down on MPH on purpose for more movement?

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 14, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

94
He has gotten up to 94 on some 4 seamers.  Looks like the ump has loosened up on the corners a bit.  Z is looking good.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

most likely Z will go eigth
but if he gets out of the 8th with less than 100 pitches, then he may go out for the 9th..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

those of you watching...
how is Z looking this late in the game?
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful ...
He's probably around 95 pitches, maybe a little more.  So far, Big Z is getting the job done and keeping the bullpen out of the action.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's actually at
88 pitches
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goodness ...
I had no idea he'd been so stingy last inning!  But that's a good thing.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z is only at 88
I suspect he'll go in the 8th until somebody gets on base, but maybe not the 9th.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is the bullpen
going yet?
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice 1-2-3 for Z in the 7th...
...yeah....I'd say he could go the whole game at this point...
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!
I LOVE YOU CARLOS!!!!!!!  YOU'RE MY HERO!!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK!!
Let's say the Cubs cannot score  in the 8th and 9th....it's still 2-1....Z has a good 8th....a quick inning....does he go out to the 9th??

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking ...
Lou will go with Dempster.  I'd like to see Z try for a CG, but I doubt that'll happen.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say no, based on
Dempster is rested and Lou hasnt allowed anyone (I think) go for the CG...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquis at the beginning of the year
pitched a 1-0 shutout..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z also
Z also pitched a complete game in June.  Unfortunately he lost 0-1 to the Padres.  The famous D-Lee fight game.

by ak123 on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um
hell yah!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin
Ok, let's see Franklin go 20-22 pitches tonight so he's out of both games of the DH tomorrow.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yea we gotta keep him in there
...give Traxie another start Wed. instead of pushing Z up a day...gotta win now go up 1.5 be huge with just 15 to play...don't trust Demp with a one-run lead anyway hope we add another.

Theriot's avg. really dipping below .270 now hope he gets one of DH off...Cedeno has some pop bet he'd get some hits if got a few days in there...granted, like Theriot's overall heads-up play but he's burnt toast at plate lately.

by writerinwrigley on Sep 14, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here comes the Cards 'pen
Thank goodness we have the lead before they came in.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z has thrown 88 pitches
and an extra days rest. He should get thru the last 2.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but
he can get through tonight but can he get through 3 days rest for more than 5 innings?

by ak123 on Sep 14, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he CGs tonight, Wednesday is interesting
He probably still pitches Wednesday instead of Friday, but he probably does not go past 5 under ANY circumstances.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could, but Lou wants him on 3 days rest
in his next game (Wednesday) to set up for the rest of the season, with the off day on Thursday.  Otherwise, he loses a start.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zero chance
he goes nine.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals Announcers
When I got home early in the game, I had to turn the sound down because they were badmouthing Carlos (who has won a lot more recently than the Cardinals, IIRC).

Now, they just sound forlorn.

Hold it together, Carlos.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Being an old school guy
if this 8th is good, I let him back out on a short leash in the 9th.

I'm looking at some of 70's Cubs scorecards, it appears somebody has pitched a complete game in almost every one. (I've found about 15, I know I have more in another box)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks ump!
3rd base ump just rung up Jenkins on a check swing and then threw him out of the game!  Throw out Yost too!  C'mon!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1 out..
come on..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 outs
Z is on fire!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hart...
i hate that guy..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bullpen activity?
I stick with Z
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z with his game of the year.....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody
...didn't take their dose of HGH today.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes!
101 pitches, 1 inning LEAVE HIM IN!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whew.
Alright.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z looks like he's just cruisin' out there....
I would not be surprised to see him complete the game...
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HGH
forgot to take his HGH tonight .  . .

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!
ACE!!!!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about some
runs.  Give Z a little cushion.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love how excited the SHit bird fans got on that
fly ball
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YESSS
F the Brewers take care of the Cards now!! Then put the pressure on them he he.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5-3 top 8
Reds on top.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5-3 Brewers
but only two innings left to play for the hitters..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5-3
reds that is..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We give the "World Champions"
too much credit -- the Astros line-up (OK, except Poo-Holes) is stronger.

This line-up didn't win a World Series, and has lost 7 in a row.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

With Pujols leading off, leave Z in
I think it's better to assume that you're going to only get 55-60 pitches out of Z on Wednesday and 40 pitches out of Traschel, than let somebody other than Z pitch to Pujols to start the 9th.

If Pujols gets on, pull Z then.  Otherwise, leave him in.

Of course, if Kendall triples or homers, then I pull Z.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stupid gameday...
I thought Kendall was leading off....  But if they get a run, Lou has to pull Z.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question...
is Gameday accurate with fly ball locations? I'm asking because it shows the Ankiel flyball right at the 390 mark...

by baglesshound on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It went deep,
But before the warning track.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie
is due..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie
How about a drag bunt?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, Felix got a hit!!!
And an XBH as well!

Good Pie.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pine tar felix
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bear gryllz
would suggest such a tactic
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't watch the game tonight
but checking in once in awhile. Does it look like they are going to let Z try to finish this one? I hope so.

by qccub on Sep 14, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anything going on
in the bullpen?
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nice! love to see pie with a big hit!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

there ya go Pie!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love to see Pie hittin the ball hard!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow...JJ getting the intentional walk....
who woulda thought?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

kendall should take exception here....
and stick it to larussa with a double.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Tony!
I'd rather have Kendall up here anyway.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reds
with another run.  6-3.

Go Reds!

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hit n run here?
just to scramble the infield for kendall?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way
The risk isn't worth the reward with 2 outs.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hate you larussa
for making zambrano coming out...
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ohh my.....
lets make him pay...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

was that a double intentional walk?
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a nice grammy-slammy would be nice here...
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

...or even a base-clearing hit.....
:-)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Chisox
are wearing green pin stripes and green caps.
Did I miss St Paddy's Day AGAIN?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to go Big Z
Great outing, just what we needed going into the DH
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not looking forward
to that Pujols-Dempster matchup.  C'mon DWARD!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

please
don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster don't put in dempster.

carlos marmol is much better.

by cubs2234 on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marmol is not available tonight
he pitched two innings yesterday.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's the closer,
and would come in if the game was close. I don't know what Lou is doing tonight.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody else was up in the bullpen
You'd rather not have Dempster pitch up 4, but Lou didn't think Ward would clear the bases.  Better to let him pitch this inning than to rush getting somebody else up without enough time.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha!
That is all.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!!!!
3 RUN DOUBLE!!!

GREAT DECISION BY PINELLA!!!

TAKE THAT IN YOUR POOHOLES, LARUSSA!

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WARD!!!!
3 rbi double.  Game over, season over
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa is an idiot....
Only the Genius would intentionally walk two guys to  face Ward.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

way to stick it to LaRussa!!!!!!!!!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!
SWEET LOU'S A GENIUS!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhhhh that felt good
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn straight!
That's what a bench threat looks like!

by mistersite on Sep 14, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOOOO-HOOOOO!
n/t
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thats what I'm talking about!
woo-hoo!
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Boos?
Do I hear classless boos at superior Busch Stadium?
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear Footsteps
Alot of people are leaving.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great job Daryle.
That's the bench hitting that we need down the stretch.
Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?

by Keith on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WHY DID WE SIGN WARD???
WHAT A HORRIBLE SIGNING!!!
Wait...
Los Cachorros!

by Laven on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Isringhausen is toast for 2 of next 3
a 22 pitch inning.  Either he pitches one inning Sat and none Sun, or nothing Sat.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahh
They're not going to be close enough to use him anyway.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love it. Love it.
Is MLB.TV freezing up on anybody else????

by chucolo on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that we are up 3
Dempster will throw Pujols and Edmonds some BP fastballs.  Ya know, just to make it interesting.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My scorecard...
...says we're up by four.

by michaelb on Sep 14, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's just
figuring that Dumpster will give up at least one of those
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he called it
lol... good thing Ward got that hit!

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like I could possibly sleep better tonite
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could possibly sleep better tonite
Yeah dude....cool weather....Cubs beat up SL....stewers lose....

All is INDEED well tonight.
Turn the fan on and slumber deeply, my friend.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prophetic
Nice call al!

by thepenguin on Sep 14, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BIG credit to Pie
The kid's had a tough year at the plate, and hasn't been getting that many AB.  But he's been working with Gerald Perry, and he came through in a very important spot.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1 Down

by FLCubsFan on Sep 14, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Viva el birdos
love to see them whining over there and rooting for the brewers.

i noticed a comment that said it would all be different if they just had carp. gimme a break.

we went the last 4 yrs without our 2 best.

"Things are startin to go our way."

by CubbieCurt on Sep 14, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PHEW.
Nothing makes me more nervous than Pujols at the plate, even if he can't tie the game with one swing...

by mistersite on Sep 14, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no worries....tonight...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God for Insurance Runs!
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Sep 14, 2007 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

haha
thinking the same thing!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God for Insurance Runs!
Word.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's get some outs.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good grief....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At least he's not walking people
Let 'em try to hit 4 solo shots.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds
needs to pack it in already, he's going to be like 40 soon and his numbers aren't going up as fast as his age
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1 to go!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Weird
That Edmonds homer had absolutely zero emotional impact on me.  

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hank White
with the key strategic advice to Z.

One more out!

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

damnit Dempster
another friggin homerun..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yuck. dempster.
let's get an out.

thank god for ward.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's enough now Dempster....
NO MORE RUNS!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster
is buying Darryl Ward dinner tonight.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ack...
WTH???   Dempster - you're not making your case very well here, you know.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Every Day Eddie
just had a nice inning.  Struck out the Brewers ini the 8th.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate Dempster so bad
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lou's fault
He knows Dempster does not perform well in save situations.  

But on the brigt side Ward just earned his salary tonight.

by ak123 on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who
would you rather have closing

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

howry or marmol.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, now Hawk....
it's not nice to hate anyone...

Dempster has his moments....all be it good AND bad...    :-)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dumpster
what a joke, i love it when he gets pissed . . .

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

santo is about to have a heart attack
come on!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster is throwing meatballs.
I can't stand this guy.

by FortLauderdaleCubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

get MARMOL
in there ASAP

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fucking dempster.
give me a break already.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Buck - please watch the language
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Good News...
Dempster won't be able to pitch in more than one game tomorrow.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WHY
do we still have him closing games!  I wouldn't feel good with him in if we were up by 20
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on jesus
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sweet 6 lbs
8 oz baby jesus
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've tried to support Dempster
But this is just mental nonsense garbage.  He really has a problem pitching the 9th when he's up 3-5 runs.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why
did Piniella use RD here in the first place? This isn't a save situation. They had a 4-run lead. Let Eyre or Wood pitch an inning and save Dempster for when he's needed.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

explain to me...
when exactly dempster is needed?  when we want to lose?

by pollymerase on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has
a pretty good save success percentage, though I could use a break from the dramatics.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so tell me...
when then, in your opinion, is he "needed?"  because I don't think he is at all.
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only dempster was up
Lou had Dempster warming up when it was 2-1 - he couldn't have planned that Ward would clear the bases and make it 5-1.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wood, Prior and Dempster.
Bush just named them the Axis of Evil.

by FortLauderdaleCubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

been alot of talk about leaving the
roles as they are in September. I agree, except for Dempster, he doesnt have it, no batter fears him and this needs to be his final appearence in the 9th inning this year.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Dempster blows this I'm headin to
St. Louis and kicking his ass personally
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow.
i feel really bad for demps. getting pulled with cairo at the plate...

that said, daryle ward definitely deserves to have someone buy him dinner.

by rockpantson on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

His ERA's over 9 in September.
please
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 14, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time to make Marmol the closer
jesus
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very surprised
they are pulling him.  This is the kinda situations he likes.  Also, Howry hasnt come in mid inning very much has he?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Dempster supporter
and he is starting to piss me off

come on Howry..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really like Dempster.
He is a really nice guy. He just can't be trusted to end the game. I wish he could but I'd rather have someone else.
"Things are startin to go our way."

by CubbieCurt on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it
Demos just blew the svae without actually blowing the save.  He should be good to go for the rest of the year.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Demps*
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With a big lead,
D. was letting the Cards hit the ball. Well, you can afford to do that with a big lead. However, you can't allow the tying run to come to the plate, as it has. Keep the faith.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ALL
of you people suck, you always give up on a player when he's down, go cheer for another team.

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

do you want him to stay in tonight?
he doesn't have anything tonight..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
he could have finished

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember...
...earlier in the season when we looked at a four-run lead and say the game is "Howry-proofed"?

by michaelb on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why does lou put demp into a non save situ
haven't we seen that movie enough this year?
Current Bears TD leader

by jds2 on Sep 14, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shit...
ron santo is about to die..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm only 21.
I honestly don't know how you 40 and 50 yr olds do it.
"Things are startin to go our way."

by CubbieCurt on Sep 14, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm 36
And I've been watching stuff like this for well over 30 years now. And I'm not sure of an answer.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching w/ a Yankees fan
Watched tonights game w/ a friend whose been a lifelong Yankees fan. He asked me in the 9th how I did this.

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 15, 2007 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

180/120
right now..
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

7.2 innings pitched and 9 runs allowed
in september.  Dempster's sucked all month.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 14, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord ...
I can't look ... this is freakin' ree-goof-uulous.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

please.
just one more. please God
"Things are startin to go our way."

by CubbieCurt on Sep 14, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just one out! Come on!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

horrible job
glad that howry in there now lou shoulda pulled demp sooner he's horrible with anything but a 1-run lead see games earlier vs. NY Mets, LA Dodgers, etc.

cubs look really nervous in dugout but Taguchi doesn't scare me much...

get outta this dammit!!
strike 1...

by writerinwrigley on Sep 14, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fuck!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

where is MARMOL
jesus christ get him in there

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

GET ONE OUT DAMNIT!
JUST ONE GOD DAMN OUT!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If You Look On the Bright Side
All this rally will do is torment the Cardinals fans if we can, say, maybe get one guy out.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

STOP THIS! STOP THIS!
stopthisstopthisstopthisstopthisstopthisstopthis!
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MARMOLLLLLLLLL???????
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe
they're choking this one away!!!!
It was the Alex Gonzalez error that killed us!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whew.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

holy shit that was close!!
FLY THE FLAG!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

phew
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhhh ...
cubs win?  cubs win?
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHA!
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm about to Sh*t myself
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

whew...
I think Len just soiled himself.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WIN
Exciting but over!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fucking
dumpster, he shouldnt even make the playoff roster if we make it

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
how stupid is this comment

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch the language CZ...I won't ask again.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey how about
u fuck off and mind ur own

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...
all of us would like to scream at Dempster...but guess what....THE CUBS WON. Relax. Don't tell people to mind there own when you come to a public forum and shout idiocy. Key term: Public Forum. If you want us to mind out own, keep that talk to yourself.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 15, 2007 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.
Sorry Al, but I'll wear the black hat on this one. CZ: Whats the deal man? Nothing better to say than sentences containing WAY too many swear words that don't make sense? I've read your last how many posts...if you want to say everyone "sucks" and they're a "joke" don't post anymore. We all get frustrated, but for real, the Cubs won, and I'm pretty sure people log on here to talk Cubs baseball; whether it be critical or complimentary, not to read that rubbish.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 15, 2007 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY COW.
If every W is going to be this nerve-wracking, I'm going to need to see my doctor...

by mistersite on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Lord!! Good job Cubbies!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster
would have finised this game before Howry

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am still
throwing away my Ryan Dempster Starting Lineup figure
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um
i didn't hear ron santo at all for the cubs win chant...hopefully he didn't go into a heart attack!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think
Dempster's days of closing are numbered.  At the very least we could see a closer-by-committee approach.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not according to
your sweet Lou. He said Dempster didn't have it last night and it was a non save situtaiton which Dempster doesn't do well in. He's sticking with him.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 15, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugly win...in the 9th
whew......
Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am done with Dempster
I hope that Lou is...

Please save the apologies...

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel...
Like I'm gonna throw up!  Well, a win is a win. However, the writing continues to be on the wall about Dempster.    They need to get one of those games tomorrow, then they'll be good to go!

MARMOL FOR CLOSER!

It was the Alex Gonzalez error that killed us!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 14, 2007 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I second
the "marmol for closer"
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no no no
not this year, maybe next..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, come on!!
IT'S A WIN. I don't give a damn how the team does it, it looks like a 10-0 in the box score.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe in the standings
it looks like 5-3 in the box score
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 14, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I take it tomorrow they'll be having the
Red Sox/Yankees game on Fox?
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course
And if they could follow up with the Mets, they probably will.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno
with how long this game is going on tonight, it still might not be over tomorrow before 4..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does
everyone give up so quick, Dempster should be the closer for the rest of the season

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tizzle
why are you so hurt about Dempster?  he sucks
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster has caused me nothing
but heart ache and ulcers
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marmol for sure
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then he'd be about 10 times better
than Demp
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then we have the same
situation that Dempster puts us in.  How many runs has Dempster walked in this year by walking batter after batter ... too damn many for a closer.
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ur dum
if ur trying to say dumpster is more effective than marmol . . . marmol dominates, his presence alone makes the opponents shit their panties

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and
i'll bet all of you wanted marmol gone last year when he sucked

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All he had to do ...
Was throw strikes.  And he didn't.  
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this team
may I borrow this for the night?

Fly it!!!!!!

Go Cubs Go.  I can hear Steve now.

Old Styles all around!

by Villeslgr on Sep 14, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

should have gone to howry in the first place.
have to stay away from dempster. that guy is a one man collapse waiting to happen.

now. let's sweep the double-header.

onward.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
to those who watched the last batter and let me know on this site when I could breathe again. I didn't have the guts to watch.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rest of the season?
Am I the only one also getting bad visions of games like this to end the season?

Why can't we win more than one game a week by more than 5 runs?????

by ak123 on Sep 14, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised if Lou
starts using Howry to close.  He's a veteran who's got experience and has been the most effective reliever down the stretch.  Replacing Dempster with Howry tonight was pretty telling.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will say that the non-save
situation really isn't Dempster's forte. (Marmol pitched 2 inning yesterday, he wasn't coming in)

As I said earlier, with a decent lead -- you don't pitch finely, you let the other team hit the ball! It appears Dempster's was attempting this -- but he was getting the ball up in the zone, and it got out of hand. Howry had to come in.

This game would have looked entirely different if it was 2-1 going into the 9th, and I'm not sure Dempster would have gone after the Cards in the same fashion.

In any case, way to go D. Ward, and the Reds should close it out in Milwaukee.

As far as I'm concerned, a split tomorrow would be fine, and hopefully, the Crew continues to spiral downward.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What time are tomorrow's games?
Cards announcers said 11.  TV guide says 12.  And does the second game really start at 7?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Sep 14, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One run game in Milwaukee
And they just showed a buncha nuns applauding the Brewer HR.  Are they allowed to cheer for a team with an alcohol theme?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

catholics? are you serious?
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

6-5 Reds
Bottom of ninth 2 - out
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shit 6-5!
Reds!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And the hits keep coming, Cubs fans...
They're imitating the Cubs game...

the brewers just hit a two-run shot and are within one now in the 9th...

2 outs though....

COME ON REDS!!

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bray is pulling a dempster!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday shat itself
so I had to rely on you guys as my commentry!

LOL....I was that bloody nervous I was fearing the refresh button!

by Aussie Cub on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

6-5 Reds
2 out bottom 9 - a 2 run dinger for BC

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whew.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brewers lose!!
1.5 up!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BREWERS LOSE
Cubs up 1.5 games!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Game Over
REDS WIN!
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Sep 14, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um..
Has it been flown?

by Villeslgr on Sep 14, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tonight's game pretty much
eliminates the Cardinals, IMO.
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just about.
It would take a miracle, which they are not capable of, not this year. A sweep tomorrow would do it -- but a split is more likely. Hardly any teams sweep these split DHers. However, with 8 losses in a row....the Deadbirds are a likely candidate to lose a double dipper..

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all over!
as Jack Brickhouse used to say. Reds 6, Brewers 5!
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember, we still have
6 games with those SOB's from Cinci. But let's take 3 of 4 this weekend, and bury the Deadbirds.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yuck..
i don't look forward to those games, but we gotta win as many as we can now..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No coffee for you, Mr. Dempster
Coffee is for closers.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Sep 14, 2007 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
You see this watch??

by michaelb on Sep 14, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely
won't be getting any steak knives.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When does a win feel like a loss?
I've held my tongue on Ryan Dempster up to this point, but good grief- he's making Todd Jones look like Dennis Eckersley.

While I don't think Lou will wholesale hand the job of closer off at this point in the season, you'll see more Howrey and Marmol in the coming days.

Lou's not stupid and he's clearly fed up with the "hold your breath" Mr. Dempster.

However all this plays out, Ryan's done as closer in 2008. Even he would admit that at this point.

And thank you Redlegs. Go get them tomorrow as well.  

by Zeke on Sep 14, 2007 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All teams will blow a certain
number of games. Last Thursday, I watched the horror in person against LA. However, good teams don't let ALL the games get away in crucial situations...tonight was one of those situations.

It wasn't pretty, but it's a WIN and that is all that matters. In all these years, the Cubs have been on the other side of these 9th inning comebacks, and have fallen short so many times.

It's just nice to see that even in the face of adversity, it CAN fall our way.  The ball doesn't have to be touched by a fan, it doesn't have to roll through Durham's legs, it doesn't have to bounce over Ryno's head. Good things can happen.

Really.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 10:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree Jazz Man
but I think Lou can minimize the chances of a blown save by using Dempster in some other way, rather than as a closer right now
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
But this is the Cubs. Those things do happen - time and time again.

As for the Cubs being on the other side, there was a game in 1979 when the Cubs were being two-hit by a pitcher (can't remember who), and were down 5-0 with 2 outs in the 9th. Somehow, they came back to win.

"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's the negative mind-set
that HAS to change. "This Is The Cubs." Which I guess means -- 'things are always going to go wrong,' 'they are always going to fail.' That just has to go away. I'm not sure if this team is good enough to make it to the WS, should they win the division. We'll see. I would consider worst to first in the division a good first step, under Lou.

But that type of thought process has to stop. I'm not getting on your case, I'm not. (The black cat isn't always going walk in front of Randy Hundley.)

That 'loser' label was shed by the Red Sox and it will eventually be shed by the Cubs. I just can't buy into the 'here we go again' thought process.
I just hate when people do that. However, only winning will change that.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the cat walked in front of Santo
but other than that, I agree with SDSJM 150 percent. If Cubs culture ever is going to change, so must this "sky is falling" mentality.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Closer
I don't think there's been a team that's succeeded in the post-season without a reliable closer in recent memory, and right now the Cubs don't have one. Scary.

Maybe they'll hsve to be like the 2005 White Sox and have their starters pitch four-straight CGs in the playoffs!

"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lou thinks
so too. He said in his post game interview that Dempster just didn't have it last night and it happens. He's not changing who is closer is.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 15, 2007 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised
if Lou starts leaning on Howry to close games from now on.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

name
some closers who havent lost or come close to losing a game

by tizzle on Sep 14, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Save it
He's given up at least a run in 6 of his last 9 appearances.  He's not getting the job done right now.  He's been good for stretches this season but right now he's going bad.  You can't just keep running him out there.  I wouldn't be surprised if Lou turns to Howry.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demp
I agree he was reliable for a long time this year. And blowing one save or even two in a week isn't enough for a guy to be considered non reliable. But he's let up 9 runs in 7 innings this month, and if I were Lou, I'd be nervous putting him into a key save situation right now.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 14, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees-Red Sox
started over an hour before the Cubs-Cards and they're only in the 8th inning right now.  God I hate AL baseball.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The who's and the what's?
Who are these teams you are talking about?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 14, 2007 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice win Cubs!! Nice game Z!!
It time to finally separate ourselves from the pack and win this thing!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is that a picture of a Sox infield drill?
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"

by scottsdalecubs on Sep 14, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is out of the blue
but are there any cubs players, announcers, etc. that have written autobiographies?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know of 2...
This Old Cub -- Ron Santo

Second to Home -- Ryne Sandberg

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flying High!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got home
Dempster do his best to blow another save before Lou yanked him?

by JFCubFan on Sep 14, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A win is not a loss.
A win only feels like a loss if you've lost your best player to injury, during the game.

This is a win. Victories can come ANY way.

Would you rather be the Cubs or the Deadbirds right now?

C'mon. The DP in Houston was the trigger -- this team didn't fall apart tonight.

Your angst will clear.  Since Monday, the Cubs have won 4 of 5. Al was of the opinion we'd know a lot more about the Cubs chances by Sunday.

Right now, it's looking pretty good, I'd have to say. Things are falling into place, quite nicely.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True, true
Yes my stomache will stop hurting and eventually I'll be able to fall to sleep but geez, as Bill Laimbeer once said when the Pistons finally beat the Celtics in the late 1980s NBA playoffs "When you've got your foot on the snake's neck, you've got to cut it off and finish the job."

I guess it will make it all the sweeter when the Cubs win it all.

by Zeke on Sep 14, 2007 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
Ive been very confident about the Cubs winning this week and making a push to the playoffs.

Seems like alot of the posters here are out of playoff shape, with all the close games that mean something. But, to me the fun is just starting. This is what Ive been waiting for since the last day of the 04 season.

Folks, the magical ride is just starting. Either way its gonna be fun.

We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things are falling into place, quite nicely.
It does feel like the Cubs are finding their rhythm at just the right time....

...like right now.   :-)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good and Bad
Good:

Pie's turning on the inside fastball in the eigth and scorching it to the RF wall for a double - and that was a "Major League" double - I was please to see that and it provided a little peek at his immense talent.

Pie's young, but boy, he's going to be a real good player.

Bad:

Dempster should be an everyday closer - in Kansas City.  For him to challenge Edmonds, RIGHT AFTER HE THREW HIM AN UPSTAIRS FASTBALL, with another fastball, shows us how much of an idiot he really is.  I don't like piling on - but I have had enough of this crap.  It should not be "torture" watching ANY closer mop up a 9th with a four run lead.  

Why don't we give R. Dempster the month of September off?

"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"

by scottsdalecubs on Sep 14, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie is a major league talent
that needs to be developed further. As for Dempster, he will be a starter next year, middle of a rotation hurler see Marquis....in that he has provided a good closer.

I suspect that as the season comes to an end the Cubs will have three closers.

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster's Last 9 innings...
ERA of 10.00
14 hits
4 walks
4 HR

That's not effective, and in a playoff chase that's unacceptable.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 10:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And it's not like
this was all 1 bad outing.  He's given up at least 1 run in 6 of his last 9 appearances.  That's awful.  I think Sweet Lou's gonna make a change.  Bobby may be our new closer.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for posting this
Great to see - and hope this margin grows :)
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"

by scottsdalecubs on Sep 14, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy ninth
Ward is huge for this team.
 I was surprised Lou went with Demp, would of had Howry out there to start the ninth.
 I just think this late in the season Lou doesn't want to get out of the Marmol for 7th, Howry the 8th and Demp to close, for the most part this has worked quite well.
 I just can't see Lou screwing around with the setup. I look at this game tonight, last year, and this year in April and May, Cubs lose this game.
 Bottom line Cubs are up 1 1/2 games.
 Hey, got the first game in the series, Looper will be tough, but Lilly should be able to match tommorrow in the first game of the doubleheader.
 Lets run some wins together.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 14, 2007 10:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey regarding StL, was Ward a hero or Izzy
a goat?
Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uh,
pinch HR in the 9th?  don't take any credit away by pinning goat status on Isringhoused
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ward CLEARLY the hero
and Piniella should be commended for his working the lineup to perfection tonight.  Ward's hit was gigantic.
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"

by scottsdalecubs on Sep 14, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not getting the metaphor are you
People blame blame our pitchers for other major leaguers performance and yet don't blame their pitchers and celebrate our hitters.

izzy is one of the best closers in the game but he is vulnerable and allowed the 3-run double by a PH'er

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious
If Ward ended up popping out to second, is the end result different?

by joz132 on Sep 15, 2007 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs' Probability to make the playoffs
League Central
TEAM W L PCT GB Ex W-L POFF
Chicago (15) 76 71 .517 -- 84-78 62.5%
Milwaukee 74 72 .507 1.5 82-80 36.9%
St. Louis 69 76 .476 6.0 76-86 1.0%

by Mordecai on Sep 14, 2007 10:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

99% if the Cubs reach 10 more wins (86)
10-5 does it as the Cubs reach 86 wins, where the Brewers would have to close 12-4 playing the likes of Cincinnati (2) @Atlanta (4), @Houston (3) and San Diego(4) (I am counting on the sweeping the Cards).

So my magic number is 10 wins and counting.  

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The STAR of the game
was Carlos.  He earned his money tonight going 8 strong innings.  Just beautiful.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 11:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster Supporters
The rest of us are just being realistic. His stuff is sub-par. You can only get so far on guts alone. I'm with the guy who said you NEED a reliable closer in the post season.
This isn't just one or two dodgy outings. You have to look at the trend, and 13 straight saves aside, he's doing it with mirrors most nights.
Howry looked a little tired tonight...not as much zip on his fastball.
This may sound insane, but with a 4 run lead in the 9th, why are you wasting your tight game guys, when a fresh Wiertz could have fared just as if not better than Demp.
Double header tomorrow, we need our big guys like Howry and Marmol fresh.
It was the Alex Gonzalez error that killed us!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 14, 2007 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because when
Dempster was warming up the score was 2-1.  After it became 5-1 the inning ended quickly and there was no time to warm anyone else up.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something tells me
Lou will not make the mistake of having only Dempster warming up in this kind of situation again.  That is, if Dempster is run out there in the 9th again anytime soon.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 14, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't want to be negative...
However, I've always felt that a closer should be intimidating.

Demp's far from it.

Personally, I'm done...gimme' someone else

by joz132 on Sep 14, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does the new Busch Stadium
only have one mound per bullpen?  dempster was garbage tonite and has not been good recently but he has to be tired.  He has thrown a lot of innings lately.  still, he has no business being in this game.  same goes for howry.

lou should have had two pitchers up in the bullpen in the 9th inning.  it was obvious they were going to walk kendall to get zambrano out of the game.  that should have left plenty of time to get someone else loose.  i have no problem going to dempster in a one run game, like it or not he is the closer, but there is no reason to use your closer in a four run game with a double header tomorrow.  

poor execution by dempster and howry but they were put in a tough spot by piniella.  we can only hope that his doesnt combe back to bite them tomorrow. you would have to think that both will be unavailable tomorrow.

maybe thats a good thing...

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain

by circuitclout on Sep 14, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You need a closer in the postseason....
....but even more than that, you need a lockdown assassin of a middle reliever, who can get strikeouts and who pitches in every late-inning high-leverage situation.

I remember Mariano Rivera filling that role for the Yankees in 1996, when it was obvious that he was a better reliever than the "closer", John Wetteland.

I remember Francisco Rodriguez filling that role for the Angels in 2002, when he was better than the "closer", Troy Percival.

Heck, I remember Johan Santana filling that role for the Twins a few years back. You absolutely need that killer relief pitcher. And we have him.

I'll let Dempster kick it around in the 9th inning for the rest of the year. 2 and 3-run leads with the bases empty are NOT the kinds of high-leverage situations that Carlos Marmol will be tasked with.

Marmol will see a steady diet of "oh crap, Z is in trouble in the 7th, 2 men on, no one out, tie game" types of situations. THAT is where we will win and lose ballgames, and I want the ball in Carlos Marmol's hand at that moment. So does Lou.

by ClosingTime on Sep 14, 2007 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp.

Marmol is our best reliever. I doubt anyone denies this.

The most important role relievers play, when his team's ahead, is NOT in the ninth. It's almost always earlier, mid-inning, in the middle of the opponent's rally, when there is a greater threat of losing the lead. THIS is when you use your best reliever.

Saves are largely an arbitrary statistic. Games are won by the guy who comes in and shuts down rallies and preserves leads.

Lou could swap Howry and Dempster, but again why do that when Howry has been so good in his 8th inning role?

"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 15, 2007 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1.5 !! 1.5 !! AHEAD !!!!
Heart-attack city though !!!   Geez !!!

Cannot do this in the play-offs, or we will get killed.

by coral on Sep 14, 2007 11:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good win , good brewers loss
dempster is trash please put him in the role that eyre was in earlier this season, not pitching.
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 14, 2007 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna' happen
Although I'm a big Lou Fan. He certainly has a little Dusty in him (otherwise Soriano would have spent a little time in the middle of the order - where he belongs).

Unfortunately, Dempster won't lose his job at this critical juncture.

Next year will be a different story.

It is what it is...let's hope Dempster digs deep and delivers. He's a great guy and I'd love to see him step it up.

by joz132 on Sep 14, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Lou would have a little Dusty in him
if he moved Soriano down in the order.

The stats show Soriano bats better in the leadoff spot than any other spot. Don't know why. But he does. He's been that way his whole career.

Dusty spent a good chunk of time trying to fit square pegs into round holes (Patterson leading off, Hawkins closing, etc.). It didn't work. He consistently put some people in positions to fail.

Piniella has shown an ability to put people in situations that play to their strengths. In Soriano's case, as odd as it might seem, that's at the leadoff spot.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 15, 2007 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all due respect
I don't agree.

Dusty would have never moved Soriano down in the order. Dusty went out of his way to avoid confrontation.

Soriano has no business leading off. The only reason he's leading off is because he wants to.

by joz132 on Sep 15, 2007 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds just like Lou
Protect a player's fragile ego against the better interest of the team. That must be it.
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 15, 2007 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think ego has anything to do with it
It's results.

His results are better leading off than any other spot. That's a fact.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 15, 2007 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
Was being sarcastic.
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 15, 2007 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check.
My sarcasm font wasn't working too well. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 15, 2007 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in St Louis.
Awesome Win (well, except for Dumpster).

Will be at both games tomorrow. Go Cubbies!!!!!!!!!

1-RUN GAMES = 20-21 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-8 | HOME = 39-36 | updated on 9/14

by SackMan on Sep 15, 2007 12:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tonight....
I watched the game with 2 Redbird fans.  It's pretty funny.  At the same time I'm dreading a Dempster meltdown, they're predicting a 1-2-3 cardinals 9th.  I guess the NL central can make a glass-half-empty sort of person out of anyone.

by RightFieldSucks on Sep 15, 2007 1:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I take back...
all the bad things I've ever said about Hunter Pence. All of them.

Go Cubs!

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by bison on Sep 19, 2007 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and...
nice win Lidge.
1. Chicago Cubs (10)

by bison on Sep 19, 2007 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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