A Marquis Experience
Anyone else have fingernails a lot shorter than they were at 1:00 this afternoon?
The Cubs' 4-2 win over the Cardinals was what Jack Brickhouse (and many, many other announcers) would have called a nail-biter, and I'm not too proud to say that I was nibbling on mine pretty good while the Cubs were leaving baserunners all over the state of Missouri.
That wasn't really a very good exhibition of timely hitting, was it? Here's the litany of LOB, fourteen all told, by inning:
1st: 2
2nd: 1
3rd: 2
4th: 2
5th: 2
6th: 2
7th: 2
8th: 1
And finally, in the ninth inning, the Cubs stranded no one -- but only because they went out 1-2-3. Thank heavens for Matt Murton's three-run homer and Ronny Cedeno's RBI single in the second inning -- and still, they left Cedeno stranded in that inning with two out.
I shouldn't complain about this, really, because a win's a win, right? Especially when the Cardinals were just about as bad at leaving runners on base, leaving eleven, including leaving the bases loaded in the 7th, with the tying run aboard, and also leaving that same tying run on base in the bottom of the 8th. All four Cub pitchers -- Jason Marquis, Carlos Marmol (who didn't really have it today), Bob Howry, and even Ryan Dempster -- pitched themselves into, and then out of, trouble all afternoon.
Marquis threw five very, very good innings and a sixth that wasn't quite so good, and managed to wheeze into the seventh, allowing a baserunner that Marmol let score (only the fifth of 35 inherited runners he's let touch the plate all season). Marmol walked the bases loaded after that, but Howry got Jim Edmonds to pop up to end the inning.
Then Howry had his own control troubles in the 8th, allowing a walk and two hits and a run, and thank heavens for the little guy, Sam Fuld, who has yet to have a major-league at-bat in his seven appearances (five as a pinch-runner, and this, his fourth appearance in the field), made a spectacular running catch of a fly ball that was probably foul off the bat of Scott Spiezio -- still, it got the Cubs an out when they badly needed one, and prevented Spiezio from getting another chance to get a hit off a pitching staff that was handing them out like scratch-off cards at Wrigley Field.
And then, Dempster-bashers, Ryan Dempster came in, recorded an easy groundout by Rick Ankiel, allowed a single that Ronny Cedeno might have stopped if he was, well, a bit better player, and then got pinch-hitter So Taguchi (that shows you how far Edmonds has fallen; a year or two ago, would Tony LaRussa ever have batted for Edmonds in a situation like that? I was thinking that we might have seen the last of Edmonds, because he'll be 38 years old next June, hasn't had a good year, and might wind up retiring as the Cardinals retool) to hit into a game-ending double play, this time Cedeno making the play, shoveling the ball to Mark DeRosa, who whipped it accurately to Derrek Lee to end this game that we all desperately, pleadingly, wanted to end right then and there, two hours and fifty-nine minutes after it began.
And props today to Geovany Soto, who had his biggest offensive day as a major leaguer, going four-for-five with two doubles, and hitting a ball to the warning track in the opposite field for the only out he made, raising his average to .423 (11-for-26). On the telecast, if you didn't see it, Len and Bob discussed the possibility that Soto might be named to the postseason roster, and both agreed he probably would be, and I agree completely. Henry Blanco hasn't played since September 3, two weeks ago, and may still be bothered by the back trouble that had him out for almost three months. There will likely be a slot for another position player on any postseason roster, as you don't need 12 pitchers in the playoffs (four starters would do it, and the guy who's clearly odd-man-out from the 25-man roster on August 31 is Steve Trachsel; Sean Marshall would likely go to the bullpen for the postseason). I heartily endorse Soto for any postseason roster and I have to say, since I was one of those saying "don't rush him" while many of you were clamoring for his recall all August, he has won me over with his defense and his quick bat. Maybe we really do, at last, have a genuine power-hitting catching prospect.
Now that's a pleasant thought, isn't it? But that's something, perhaps, for the future, as well as the now.
In the meantime, this win gave the Cubs what they really needed in St. Louis, winning three of four (and winning the season series 11-5, with a 7-2 record in St. Louis), for all intents and purposes eliminating the Cardinals from playoff contention (seven games behind now with fourteen left for the Cardinals, we can now root for them to defeat the Brewers when they play them in Milwaukee during the season's final week).
The Brewers, meanwhile, maintained their one-game deficit by defeating the Reds 5-2 this afternoon in Milwaukee. That, the final game of a short three-game homestand for the Brewers, now negates any home/road advantage either the Cubs or Brewers might have had. The Cubs have six home games and six road games left. The Brewers have seven home games and seven road games left; the only advantage now may go to the Cubs, who have two off days while the Brewers have none, and the fact that the Brewers must finish their season at home against the Padres, who may still need those games very badly to make the postseason themselves (at this writing, they stand two games out of first place in the NL West, but lead the wild-card by 1.5 games over both the Phillies and Dodgers).
Wouldn't it be sweet if Greg Maddux helped the Cubs by beating the Brewers for San Diego, putting both teams into the playoffs?
Exhale a little, after four games completed in forty-five hours' time (and the Cardinals' Yadier Molina caught all thirty-six innings, rare in these times); the Cubs met their goal, won six of ten on the road trip (seven of eleven including the "road trip" to Wrigley Field), and now, they rest, and so can we, until they take the field tomorrow night against the Reds.
Keep the faith. The best is yet to come.
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It's Official: The Birds Are Dead On The Street
Sorry, I simply could not resist.
That's so sick....
by No Southern Belle on Sep 16, 2007 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Edmonds was already out
I missed that.
Karma bites the Deadbirds
Wow. Thanks St. Louis.
The rotation fairy is not on our side
by jessica on Sep 16, 2007 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
How do
by Matt Allison on Sep 16, 2007 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
ack.
by Matt Allison on Sep 16, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not know the reason
"Honey how does Wed Sept 18th work for you?"
by jessica on Sep 16, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Not commenting on Oswalt
When you play a team's regulars, you know what to expect. When you play a bunch of AAA call-ups playing for a spot on the team next year, they are much harder to beat as you do not know how to play/pitch to them or what their soft spots are. And they tend to have more energy.
...don't forget this is the problem the Cubs are going to face in the Reds, Pirates, Fish, etc...
Let's just hope our RISP average will pick up again after a tough week!! Go CUBS!!
As of today,
The TV broadcast also announced Trachsel as Wednesday night starter.
And Maddux is the greatest and all, but with our past and current history with SD, I'd rather see the eliminated Brewers stomp the Madres out of contention.
We are likely to play AZ regardless
Peavy, Young , Maddux, Hoffman, Who cares if their hitting is a little light?
I have mixed feelings about the Padres, Maddux and all myself
A have a lot of respect for the team and the orginization but those fans STILL drive me nuts. The Phillies would be a nice come back story though if THEY make the wild card the Cubs play the Mets in round one so it is all a crap shoot. Anyway no use thinking about who we play since we are LONG way from that.
by jessica on Sep 16, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
IF the Cubs face either, it's gonna be a dogfight
And the ever accursed Mets won't be a picnic either. But if the Mets that played today come out to the ballpark and the Cubs face them, we will eat them alive. It was a blooper ridden nightmare today and the Phillies cleaned Sosa's clock in nice order.
I LOVED today's Mets game
watch much of the Cubs game I had a blast watching some of that game.
by jessica on Sep 16, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Jessica! you must BELIEVE ..
The Cubs, as the little girls in "Brother Where Art Thou" saith, are "Bona Fide."
keep on believing, sister .. keep on!
I have ALWAYS been like this
game in the NLCS series when I stared at the ground every time the Marlins batted. Even my mother says I need help but still
can't watch the "scary" parts which is basically most of the time the other team bats but trust me I DO BELIEVE. I already have a plane ticket to Chicago for Oct 6 & 7
by jessica on Sep 16, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Dates
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 16, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Mets or D'Backs ( depending on which division the Wild Card
comes from) have a worse record than the Cubs which is REALLY unlikely.
by jessica on Sep 17, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminder.
Toss those records out on October 1.
From your mouth...
And don't forget the amazing JEFF WEAVER had an MVP type series, of all people.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to avoid the Pads
You never know.
ya but...
So I'm happy to see the Cubs win, but I almost cringe when they load the bases with no one out because they seemingly can't even elevate a ball into the outfield to drive in a run via a sac fly.
DmL
So, just like the RedBirds got their
Let's just get there first!
We are tied with the Suds-boyz in the loss column, so we still have to win series to win this thing. We have to start beating teams NOW that we have not been beating this year. A good time to start showing that past records don't matter...don't you think?
yeah, who was there to watch it?
Most of the time, that soulless concrete tub they call the Cell is half empty. Gee, what happened to the greatest fans in baseball?
His wife was there....
Thome
He is a classy player and classy guy.
That was pretty awesome. Walk off homerun.
While right now I'd rather have Lee because I realize Thome would not be able to play everyday in the field anymore I wouldn't have minded seeing him here in 03.
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 16, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If there are only
Z
Teddy
Marquis
Hill
Dempster
Marmol
Howry
Eyre
Wood
Trachsel
Weurtz or Hart?
Marshall hasn't pitched well enough recently, IMO, to merit being in the post-season, and might have some stamina/health issues. Both Trachsel and Hart could be used in 2+ inning stints to save the bullpen horses for when they're really needed.
Trachsel
Wuertz is not even a question
As for the 11th I am wondering if that is a luxury Cubs shouldn't afford and going with 10 as Eyre has recovered his effectiveness. Thus neither Trachsel nor Marshall make the team and I will say that I would rather have Ohman as the 11th pitcher instead of two starters who know nothing about relieving.
The 15 position players would then be:
Kendall/Soto catcher (Blanco goes DL)
Lee, DeRosa, Theriot, Ramirez, Fontenot
Soriano, Jones, Floyd, Pie, Murton, Monroe, Fuld, Cedeno. Thus the question comes down whether you will use Cedeno more than Marshall or Trachsel?
Yes.
No way
by Matt Allison on Sep 16, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
figured I forgot one...
The Cubs as Hershiser has stated are not a team that is well put together, they have players playing out of the natural positions.
CF'er is really a LF'er, (3) RF'ers are really a LF'ers, sometimes the RF'er is also a 2B. A lot of changeable parts. So the idea is use them and possibly scratch a run or prevent a run.
It won't be Ohman.
I'd guess Cedeno
Chiming in also
No way Fuld makes the team. He's a pinch-runner/defensive replacement, and Pie can do that job.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 16, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Cedeno
Ward
This game was again a testiment to fatique
Cubs have 3 more games before the entire team can sleep in all day in their beds on Thursday. Tomorrow I can see Fontenot and Ward play 2B and 1B. Piniella might give Kendall another rest on Wednesday to give him a 2-day, along with Ramirez. It was good that Jones got a breather today also.
Fuld showed some glove and arm today also. Now Milwaukee returns to the road again going down to the bandbox in Houston and then off to Atlanta. I predict that they will go 4-3 on the trip so the Cubs need to go minimum 4-2...pushing the math to 82-74 versus 80-75 for the final week where the Brewers play another seven versus the Cubs six and a day off. There I can see the Brewers going 5-2 finishing 85-77, so the Cubs need to go 4-2 and win 86-76....and many of you nervous nellies will be hard to take it. My guess is that the Cubs clinch a tie on the 28th and win it 29th. But all i say is a big so what, it will be determined on the field.
BTW, that would put the Cubs 63-45 since June 1st and a .583 finish besting the entire league. This would make the Cubs a bona fide team in the playoffs.
Marquis, Soto and Murton Were Beasts
More later.
Murton needs to start next season in LF
I would not mind an outfield of:
Soriano RF
Pie CF
Murton LF
and I know what I wrote..
your needs will not be met
why will Murton be traded
and I guess Soto is going to be our catcher next season..
Because he still has value and
Sort of...
well then Murton should take RF drills
Totally.
If
by LT on Sep 16, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Deserves? Needs? Should?
His defense is vanilla and in RF he is very slow to react, his arm is average so what you have is a popular average OF'er.
Trade value is high in that he has 4 years left as a non free agent and 2 left not being arbitration eligible. So if he is a 4th-5th OF'er who can't play CF regardless of his fan support. Cubs can use him along with Marshall and Ohman to possibly garnish Hawpe who is blocking even a better RF'er for the Rockies in Stewart. Hawpe is a good RF'er with good RBI's and above average power and average. Rockies need pitching and would take Murton as a good 4th OF'er to back up Stewart who bats LH.
FAce it Guys
The West teams' kicks our asses, the Phils OR Mets also have had "our number" this year.
Potent offenses for the East and excellent pitching for the West teams.
But - ya still play the games!
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 5:53 PM CDT reply actions
okay so let us not play
If the West is so great why do the Cubs have the best record in the NL since June 1st, 55-41
And why did the team from
Let's just hope the Cubs make it as the representative from Comedy Central.
Expectations will be nice and low.
Rich Hill...
Head-to-Head
These are the teams they would likely face if they meet any of them.
The other teams, comprised of NL Central, White Sox, etc., will not factor into the Playoffs.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
All of those head-to-head numbers
by sanantonecub on Sep 16, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We got beat by the #1 team in the country
Oh well, polls mean nothing this early. USC was easily the toughest opponent Nebraska will face this season, and every game here on out is winnable. Arkansas won 10 straight after getting blown out by USC last year...
by sanantonecub on Sep 16, 2007 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Well - 42-10 after 3 quarters
And you think the Texas game is "winnable"?
Hmmm. We'll see.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing about USC's backups
Texas has struggled against Arkansas State, TCU, and almost crapped up Central Florida. I definitely think it's winnable.
by sanantonecub on Sep 16, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
But it is evident that Pete
OR Texas, Oklahoma, etc.
Just the way it is right now with them nearly winning at the clip that they have been. Calahan going head-to-head against Pete Caroll is just gonna lose in recruiting and on the field.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Let the final score stand by itself, which is already bad enough.
by sanantonecub on Sep 16, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I just looked at the Rankings
So - I guess any game is "winnable" where football is much more dependent on home Mo than baseball.
But your team has to play OK, Texas, and Texas A&M, the first two are top-10. A&M has a nice team also.
In ADDITION, Nebraska will have to play the Red Raiders who ring up the scoreboard like a pinball machine.
B/C the whole "Bowl Game" deal is so watered down these days, Nebraska could go 7-4 and still play between Christmas and New Years.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you look at our schedule?
In addition to the 5 North Opponents, all of which Nebraska has the capability to win (though the two road games at Kansas and Mizzou will present challenges), Nebraska gets A&M and Oklahoma State at home, and Texas on the road. All three of those schools have shown their vulnerability this year, and Nebraska has equal talent to them.
by sanantonecub on Sep 16, 2007 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Schedule -
You are right on that indeed the Cornhuskers will have a nice opportunity to play in a better Bowl Game.
BCS, I doubt.
Decent Bowl game - sure!
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
To quote Nelson (from the Simpsons)
(Sanantone... we wouldn't give you so much heck if you hadn't put it in your sig last year)
Go Cubbies!
And Soto is 'da Man'. We finally have our long term catcher.
Sorry!
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't get to
Shawn Johnson???
What about another Adam Haluska, or something?
Its like getting excited about a figure skater or something.
by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen
You'd be surprised at some of the sports I've followed. Some of them you only hear about in Olympic years and yes love the Olympics.
curling, i like.
by buckmulligan on Sep 16, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewers pitching matches
Cubs need to step it up even more than before or hope that The Brewers choke which is very very possible.
Exciting...
Doesn't get any netter than this!!!!
yawn.
by buckmulligan on Sep 16, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Saw the post mentioning Reds pitchers
However, if Harang puts up this line score again, I feel a little better; given the Cubs power has made a nice turnaround the past 2+ weeks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270814116
I hope the Dempster nay-sayers read this
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/560529,CST-SPT-csep17.article
You're so right...
I only wish he would have more saves/appearances like the last two days, with very little drama.
The bullpen in its current configuration got them this far, let it roll.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Tough series coming up against the Reds - they need 2 of 3 to keep their lead, I think.
by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 17, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Dempster needs to be used...
I'd be interested in seeing his splits for how many runs we're ahead when he comes in - I'd imagine that when he comes in 1 or 2 runs ahead, his ERA is remarkably lower, and when it's 3+ he relaxes and his ERA balloons and we've got problems like we did against St.L. on Friday. Put in someone else with those 3+ run cushions and only use Dempster for the stuff he really has to bear down for.
From another thread on another site
I'd love for the Cubs to go after both Hunter and Santana in the offseason. We can move Jones to RF, Hunter in CF, Sori in LF. Imagine a pitching staff with Zambi, Lilly, Santana, Marquis, and a #5 starter (Hill?).
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 17, 2007 8:51 AM CDT reply actions
I think Cubs are going with Pie
Soto and Pie will be the centerposts on this team for some time. I can see the Cubs pursuing Santana but I don't think they got or willing to part with the horses. You would have to trade Hill, Marmol or Smarz, Pie...as for Hunter he could be a heckeva RF'er but then jones would not be here.
I agree with you about Soto.
The jury is still out about Pie. He has to learn how to hit at the major leagues level. (And he couldn't even hit lefties in AAA.) However, he is so good on defense and has so much speed that if he hits for average he will be the CF the Cubs have been looking for. But Pie has to end the Corey Patterson imitation and stop hitting fly balls and striking out. The good thing is that Pie is very young, so he can still improve.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 17, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Marmol??
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 17, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Soto?
I mean they are gonna lose Santana and Hunter but the let the local boy wonder go and they lose their fans.
by jessica on Sep 17, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
For those who are not sure about Dempster...
And Mármol proved yesterday that he is human, after all.
Dempster & Rivera
What amazes me about Rivera is how long he has been so effective and basically with one pitch (cut fastball). Everybody has known what he was going to throw for many years now, and he still has been dominating. Dempster has more pitches in his arsenal but his command is so much more fleeting compared to Rivera.
Dempster has the stuff to be very effective more times than not, but it's his lack of concentration that gets him in trouble.
Other closers...
re: Other closers...
Craving more baseball, I flipped over to ESPN after the Cubs game and expected to watch the BoSox complete their smackdown of the surging Yankees, only to see Boston's bullpen melt down like a Russian nuclear reactor.
I actually draw a certain amount of solace from the fact that, even though the Cubs' bullpen has struggled to close games down cleanly as of late, they've still been able to get the job done.
All in all, it was a great weekend to be a Cubs fan.

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