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Nothing's Ever Easy, and Open Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Sunday 9/16, 1:15 CT

It's an old baseball saw: "Doubleheaders tend to split". And it's true -- I don't have stats handy, but the vast majority of doubleheaders DO split, and that goes for conventional DH (ones played with the old-fashioned 20 or 25 minutes in between) as well as the new-fashioned ones that force players, employees and broadcasters to spend twelve or thirteen hours at the ballpark. (They all hate it, from what I hear.)

And that's what we got yesterday, a split, winning 3-2 in game one, losing 4-3 in game two, and in the process losing half a game off the division lead, since the Brewers beat the Reds 5-3.

The two games were, in fact, somewhat similar -- a two-run Alfonso Soriano HR in each one, the Cubs trailing late in each one, good bullpen work in each one... it's just that I kept sitting there, wishing, hoping, for the elusive comeback in game two that never happened.

Where do I start? Soriano's power stroke came back not a moment too soon, and now we know why it vanished earlier:

Alfonso Soriano, the Cubs' $136 million left fielder, finally revealed Thursday the reason for his struggles at the plate since his monster June: He was playing hurt and didn't tell the team trainers.

Soriano, the National League Player of the Month for June, followed that by hitting just .236 with three homers in July. He tore his quadriceps in early August and went on the disabled list for most of the month.

Until the quad injury, he was dealing with pain in both wrists -- but in particular the left one, near the hamate bone -- that developed in early July. He quietly began heavily taping both wrists before each game for about a month to help him cope.

But the three weeks on the disabled list allowed the wrist pain to subside enough that when he came back 2½ weeks ago, he no longer taped.

And his power came back. He had seven home runs in 16 games since his return entering play Friday night, and said it's because his wrists feel better and stronger.

And now it's nine home runs in 18 games since he came back -- twenty-seven in all -- and if he can keep this up over the last thirteen games, not only will he wind up in the mid-thirties in HR, near his career norms, but those HR ought to help the Cubs to victories, as they did in game one. Props also in game one to Ted Lilly, who made one bad pitch (the one that Jim Edmonds smacked for a two-run double, and yes, I think both runs would have scored even if Daryle Ward or any other outfielder had made a better play than Ward did on the ball), Kerry Wood, who threw an efficient scoreless inning to record his first victory as a relief pitcher, and Ryan Dempster (where are you now, Dempster-bashers?), who had an easy 16-pitch, 11-strike inning for his 26th save.

Game two was just frustrating, especially with going out to a 3-0 lead, mainly courtesy of Soriano's 27th HR of the year (with Sean Marshall on base after a rare base hit). I don't think any of you really want to rehash the carnage of St. Louis' four-run third inning off Marshall. A lot of the damage wasn't Marshall's fault -- the throwing error by Jason Kendall helped make two of the four runs unearned -- but after seventy pitches in less than three innings, I guess Lou figured he had to get him out of there.

Which is where the bullpen took over, and if they keep throwing like this the rest of the year, the Cubs are in really, really good shape. Props to Michael Wuertz (even though he gave up the hit that allowed the fourth run to score, and I was a bit surprised to not see Sean Gallagher in that spot, considering it was only the third inning), Will Ohman, Kevin Hart, Kerry Wood and Scott Eyre combined for 5.1 innings, two hits, a walk and five strikeouts, allowing no further runs, and keeping the game close in what proved to be a fruitless attempt to help the Cubs get the lead back.

What more can be said? The Cardinals had lost nine in a row, including the first game, and losing streaks that long do tend to get snapped, eventually. But a Cub win today will have accomplished what all of us hoped would be a good result coming out of this series -- three out of four -- and would match what the Cubs did to the Cardinals over a week's period in 2003 (four out of five, including the makeup game last Monday at Wrigley Field). More on today below; first a quick review of "The Brave One", Jodie Foster's new film. Basic plot summary: she plays a radio talk show host ("Erika Bain") who goes around New York with a microphone, recording "the sounds of the city", then talks about them on what appears to be a NPR-type station. She's out walking her dog in Central Park with her fiance, when they are attacked; the fiance is murdered and Erika is badly wounded. (And no, that's not a spoiler.

The rest of the film is an examination of what happens to a person when they are attacked in this way, and how someone like that can be driven to do horrific things, things they would never have thought of doing before. It's not just a shoot-em-up, although there's enough of that; the shootings, which in any other movie might leave you just horrified, make you think instead. Terrence Howard, who was so good in "Crash", plays a police detective investigating a string of what appear to be random shootings, and who befriends Foster's Erika character. Playing a minor role is 18-year-old Zoe Kravitz, daughter of Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet, and a NYC TV reporter is played by actual NYC cable news reporter Dean Meminger, and if that name sounds familiar, it should: his father, also named Dean, nicknamed "The Dream", played six years for the NY Knicks in the 1970's, including on their 1973 NBA championship team.

Anyway, this wasn't the greatest movie ever made, but it makes you think. I like films like that.

AYRating:

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
 J. Marquis
Cubs
vs. Mark Mulder
 M. Mulder
Cardinals
11-8 W-L 0-2
4.17 ERA 12.38
98 SO 3
69 BB 4
22 HR 3
vs. StL -- vs. Cubs
Well, isn't this appropriate. Jason Marquis, maligned former Cardinal, the guy who was so bad last year he got left off their postseason roster, is the guy who has to beat his old team to put his new team closer to the postseason this year. Marquis is 2-1 vs. the Cardinals this season, though with a 4.34 ERA (not too far from his season ERA of 4.17). After a tough stretch, Marquis is 1-0 with a 3.38 ERA in his last three starts, walking only two and striking out ten in 18.2 IP.

Mark Mulder is a work in progress, obviously -- he has gotten pounded in both of his starts since returning from offseason shoulder surgery. The last time he faced the Cubs was June 6, 2006 in St. Louis -- that team hit him hard, too, including a grand slam from Aramis Ramirez, who's one of only three position players who played in that game (Matt Murton and Jacque Jones the others) who's even still on the ballclub. Overall Mulder is 2-3, 4.22 vs. the Cubs in six career starts; Murton, for one, has hit him well (6-for-15). So has Jones -- Mulder's one of the few lefties he hits well (8-for-21, four doubles, .381/.458/.571). And Derrek Lee pounds him -- .733/.765/.933 (11-for-15, a HR; Lee was out with the broken wrist when the Cubs faced Mulder last year). It's time to improve on the Cubs' poor 15-22 record vs. left-handed starters.

Today's game is on WGN. It's not in the digital cable EI list, but sometimes these games show up on satellite anyway. Also check the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

MLB.com Gameday for the Brewers/Reds game (1:05 CT starting time)

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Marquis gotta pitch a good game today
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 16, 2007 7:58 AM CDT   0 recs

Marquis
I truly hope he becomes more and more a "Marquis" type pitcher as baseball comes down the stretch.

GO. CUBS. GO.

"The decline of society is rampant...Cubs winning the WS in '07 will make everything right again."

by Bluelou on Sep 16, 2007 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mark Mulder
ALWAYS scares me.

by cubs2234 on Sep 16, 2007 8:29 AM CDT   0 recs

His 12 ERA...
...doesn't scare me!

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 16, 2007 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they rushed him back
thinking they were in it, which they were at that time. But he's definitely not ready. They should shut him down.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 16, 2007 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Astros
Isn't an Astro pitcher who pitched against us kind of in the same boat that he came off TJ surgery and is pitching at the end.  In this case it makes no sense at all.  Give him the extra rest.

I forgot which one it was.

It seems you err on the side of caution, if you err when it comes to injuries.

This is going to be the fall and winter of our content in Chicago.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 16, 2007 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yes...
Brandon Backe just pitched against us and was in a similar position. He didn't fare too well (it was his second start of the year). 5 innings,4 runs...Mulder got rocked his last time out didn't he?

by UptownFreeRadio on Sep 16, 2007 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anyone know...
...if the Cubs annual "yard sale" or whatever they call it starts on Friday?

by jolietconvict on Sep 16, 2007 8:54 AM CDT   0 recs

I don't know for sure...
... but in general, the "tent sale" (their sale of surplus merchandise, game used bats & jerseys, etc.) is the final home weekend of the season. If I find out more during the week I'll post info.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 16, 2007 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Soriano
hurt his team by not telling the trainers he was hurt. It was selfish on his part.

Hope Marquis has a fnatastic game today.

GO CUBS!!!

GO BEARS!!!

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 9:30 AM CDT   0 recs

kind of give credence regarding other injuries
Often many exclaim this player or that is not performing to expectations as being a bum (Jones, Izturis, Neifi excluded VBG).  Ohman could have had a minor injury and kept it to himself like Soriano kept his wrist sprain to himself.

In the end, the only way you can make that case if the Cubs do not prevail winning the division.

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 16, 2007 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Being selfish
is not being a team player. Theriot responded very well batting lead off when Soriano was out. Had Soriano sat out to heal his wrist we might be further ahead in the standings then we are now. He did not play well in that time period so in my opinion he did not help his team by playing injured.

Your last sentence is just your opinion.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The team
went in the toilet when Soriano was out of the lineup.  There's no evidence whatsoever that the Cubs would be better off if Soriano took himself out of the lineup.  I applaud Soriano's effort for playing through injury, putting the team's welfare ahead of his own.

by cubsbak on Sep 16, 2007 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I said
below, I don't care what your opinion is. It does mot matter to me. You will not change my mind so stop responding to my posts.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that is an irrational reply
It is like your public expression in a discussion group is only for the benefit or yourself expressing yourself.

An opinion which you were expressing is neither right or wrong until it is examined and is tested. Declaring an attitude on someone with only partial knowledge of the situation or attitude or circumstances is a definition of ignorance.

The question is not whether you will change your mind, you asked a relevant concern, it is whether it matters or not.  Ultimately whether the individual or collective actions of the team mean anything is whether they qualify for the playoffs, thus if they don't you can cut up and autopsy the season to determine blame and if they do it is a so what.

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 16, 2007 2:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess
we disagree.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 7:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soriano selfish?
What's new? He needs to learn to be more professional. And keep the HR's coming!

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 16, 2007 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty harsh
calling a player selfish for playing through an injury so he could help the team.  He knew he was the Cubs best left fielder and he knew the team was better when he was out there (as was proven by their record when he didn't play).  I applaud his effort.  

by cubsbak on Sep 16, 2007 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well goody for you.
In my opinion he was selfish. Playing through an injury does not always help a team. His play in left field was not the problem it was his batting. That did hurt the team in my opinion. I don't really care what your opinion is. I will not change my mind so save yourself a lot of grief and stop responding to my posts.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 10:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I also find it funny
that you claim to hate it when people say negative things about Cubs players, yet now you're running around calling Soriano selfish.  

by cubsbak on Sep 16, 2007 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually I'm not running.
It was my opinion and you don't agree. If you don't want a confrontation with me move on.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And what part of cubsbak's history...
...suggests that he doesn't want a confrontation with you? Seriously.

Look, I find it wildly disconcerting that he and I have several areas of agreement recently, and I'm not exactly his biggest fan. But I don't think it's reasonable to think that you can post your opinions about Cubs baseball on a semi-open forum and not find a countervailing opinion crop up. I don't think he cares about convincing you. He just wants to share his opinion, same as you.

Now, I know the two of you have some sort of long-standing feud going and I really want no piece of that. But I just find your apparent expectation that you can post your opinion on an Internet forum and not get any replies to the contrary... well, unreasonable.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wildly disconcerting?
And here I thought I was finally getting through to you :)

And yes, I'm certainly not one to back down from a "confrontation" (although I generally refer to them as friendly disagreements).

by cubsbak on Sep 16, 2007 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There is, however...
... a difference between a reasonable difference of opinion, and confronting someone and name-calling, something I have seen cubsbak do on this site on numerous occasions.

Naturally, when he does that to others, it provokes a snippy response, thus resulting in back-and-forths that have profanity and more name-calling.

There is a way to disagree with others in a civil manner. I urge every single poster here to find it. Remember, there is a human being with feelings behind every single post here. It's a simple rule, really: treat others the way you'd want to be treated.

Thank you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 16, 2007 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not much
I can do about it when he responds to my posts. He just needs to stop responding.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you, Al.
Your post above says it all. There are always more than one way to say things. Can we try to find the civilized one?

Now, I agree with Sue369 that Soriano was selfish. I don't question his good intentions in trying to play through an injury. On the contrary, like Cubsbak said, there is a lot to admire about that. However, his selfihness lies in not telling the trainer. As Sue and others said, that fact hurt the team for a while. It also slowed Soriano's recovery. He is not the only player to do that in that situation, as posted above. That is because Soriano is not the only selfish player in baseball.

However, he is too valuable to the team to be hiding injuries, no matter the reason. I hope he learned the lesson because I cannot defend that behavior.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 16, 2007 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't see
why it's selfish that he didn't tell the trainer.  It's stupid, but I don't see how it's selfish.  It's not clear to me why playing injured is in his self interest.  For all he knows he could be risking his career.  It seems to me he wanted to be out there to help the team win, not for any selfish reasons.

by cubsbak on Sep 16, 2007 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But
if he had, then people would accuse him of being a malingerer and sitting on his big contract.

Look, it's the athlete's code that you give 100% as long as you possibly can and that you play through any pain if you can.  That's what Soriano did.

Should he have sat out and gotten healthy?  In retrospect maybe yes.  But if he was the type of person who'd willingly sit down when he could play, even not at 100%, then he's not the kind of competitor that we'd want on the Cubs.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Sep 16, 2007 12:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Last couple of games have shown fatigue
There have been a few constants with this team that is 55-43 since June 1st, defense...defense...defense.  There are some statistical analyisis that points that the Cubs are either Number One or Number Two in defense when one incorporates a comparable ratio of runs created, runs blocked, range, errors, assists, put outs per chance et cetera. It is far too complex for me but it is an underreported statistic. YET yesterday I see that the Cubs gave the Cards many extra outs, 2 in the first game that Lilly escaped and then at least two in the Cards third inning that allowed 4 runs to score.

I am interpreting this as fatique as the Cubs are now at 20 straight games in 19 days while forging forward in a pennant race. Piniella probably won't do this but he might find a reason to sit Kendall, Jones today (playing Monroe and Soto) and possibly even Cedeno. Bascially I think the Cardinals are even more tired playing a similar schedule yet they had to travel to AZ then to Chi then to Cincinnati. If the Cubs had a bona fide RF'er in the first game and made the defensive plays in the second game I could make the case that the Cards would have been shutout yesterday in both games.

The regular season is a marathon and that includes the full roster.

Finally I am finding it awfully intriguing that many anecdote observations, analysis, et cetera. An example was Higgy's statement that appeared last week that once Ankiel was connected to HGH he went into a slump and the Cards hit the wall, then reporters picked it up. Another one was Al's statement that the Cubs still maintained the best record in the NL since June or all the talk about Soriano being moved or Dempster dumped. There are other quips I have noticed too many to recall, but it appears that there is some forward thinking contributors here.

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 16, 2007 9:33 AM CDT   0 recs

The platoon splits favor Pie over Monroe...
...for this plan.

It seriously drives me crazy, the Iron Man routine Kendall has going on. He can at least afford to take off a day game after a night game, can't he?

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Moreover...
it appears he should take a day off soon.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 16, 2007 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Moreover...
...you've got a backup catcher hitting .333/.417/.571 who's better defensively than Kendall, and you're telling me he can't even take a day off? I honestly don't expect them to demote Kendall to backup at this point in the season, but you could spell Kendall a bit, and it would probably improve Kendall's playing a bit while getting the hot bat into the lineup with Soto.

I need to stop talking about this before I scream.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
a day off would not hurt Kendall. Maybe his arm was tired on that throw........
Iowa f****n' State???? Again?????

by tommy veryzer on Sep 16, 2007 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your signature
speaks volumes for Hawk fans.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Indeed
If Kendall is tired, REST HIM! Soto has looked incredible since he's been brought up.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 16, 2007 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what's good about this web site.
We get more timely analysis than what you get in the mainstream media. As often happens, after something is discussed to death in the blogosphere, the mainstream media picks it up.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 16, 2007 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lots of turnover, yes, but...
<< Aramis Ramirez, who's one of only three position players who played in that game (Matt Murton and Jacque Jones the others) who's even still on the ballclub >>
...did Ronny Cedeño get DFA'd since yesterday?  Cedeño was the starting shortstop that game against Mulder and went 2-5 that afternoon.

by ChipSet on Sep 16, 2007 9:45 AM CDT   0 recs

Missed that.
Maybe that means Cedeño will start today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 16, 2007 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course the point was valid nonetheless
-- lots of turnover from last year.  

And a lot of people here, at one point or another, wanted to see Jones, Cedeño and/or Murton gone.

by ChipSet on Sep 16, 2007 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think i heard lou say that theriot
was going to get a day off this series. so, i think there's a pretty good chance cedeno will be in there.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 16, 2007 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dean the Dream
Also a Marquette basketball legend for all us MU alumni out there.  A midwest connection.

by MerigoldBowling on Sep 16, 2007 9:57 AM CDT   0 recs

This is what I like to call...
...not getting it.

Manager Ozzie Guillen says he'd like to see more emphasis on on-base percentage among White Sox hitters next season, and one place to start is cutting down on strikeouts. Sox hitters fanned 12 times Saturday night against the Angels and have struck out 1,045 times in 148 games, or about seven times per game, fourth worst in the American League. That's seven unproductive at-bats on which nothing happens because the ball isn't put in play.

Sigh.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 10:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Off topic
Al I'm curious as to how you come up with Cubs odd of making the playoffs?
This is going to be the fall and winter of our content in Chicago.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 16, 2007 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

He uses the Baseball Prospectus...
...Playoff Odds Report. The short version is, they use a computer simulation to play out the remainder of the season a million times or so and see how many times each team makes the playoffs.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks!
It's actually pretty good.  72 - 75 percent is about how I feel about our chances right now.

Id feel even better if we win today and the Brewers lose.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels much better than I did on tuesday!

This is going to be the fall and winter of our content in Chicago.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 16, 2007 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's some legit criticism of BP's odds...
...not least of which is that they have three odds reports, the other two using their advanced PECOTA and ELO stats. (ELO is just kinda weird, if you ask me, but at least it's Nate Silver's weird.) ELO takes recent performance into account -- by which I mean it gives recent peformance somewhat more weight -- if that sort of thing matters to you.

If you really want to get into the weeds, there's a high-level discussion of it here.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lot of comments here
...regarding the 2nd game and other issues, but to me Pinella has a legitimate gripe with respect to these split DHs.  Still, I agree with using Marshall in a game like this where he has had plenty of rest but he just didn't get it done.  The positives about teh 2nd game was the bullpen.  Dempster is teetering right now but otherwise the bullpen is kicking it in gear.  If our starters do the same then the division is ours.  I don't worry about this team hitting anymore, I like the roster of everyday players.  There aren't many games left, let's winn them all.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 16, 2007 11:11 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree.
That second game didn't phase my faith in this team.  The Cubs will not have a split DH again this year.

I think it is mentally (and routine-wise) hard to prepare for a night like yesterday.  Even Quade's head seemed a bit out of it with the way he was sending guys around third (haven't people from BCB been accusing him of being too passive all year?).

As much as I think the Cubs blew a game they should have won, I think the idea that the Cubs were going to sweep the wounded RedBirds was low and a let down at some point seemed high.  If the Cubs can win today (high hopes!), it should prove to this team that the only thing that can beat them now is THEMSELVES.  

That would be a nice mental note to take away from this series and they come home to play a team (Reds) that has owned them this year.

Time to get back on a roll and keep the MoJo going.  GO CUBS!!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 16, 2007 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The thing is
the same conditions existed for the Cardinals. And they're a crappier team. What I saw in that second game yesterday was the Cubs being almost cavalier in their approach- thinking that since the Cardinals stink, they can screw up on the bases or let K victims get on base. Bottom line is that if Quade doesn't act reckless, and Kendall makes a simple throw, Cubs win 4-2. In two weeks, you might really be wishing they'd taken that game more seriously.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 16, 2007 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting Bears news
Maynard is out for today's game with a groan injury and Dirk Johnson was signed to be the punter for today...
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 16, 2007 11:51 AM CDT   0 recs

Odd, I really don't think it will matter to much
today, the cheifs are horrid, not really good for someone who has larry johnson on his fantasy team, sigh
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 16, 2007 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Still 8 games...
Somehow, imo, the Cubs will have to win 8 more games to win the Division.

85 Wins should do it.

BREW are going on the road again where they suck. I expect them to win again today, and it sure would be great for the Cubbies to pick up another W.

I had the thought last night that Jason Marquis would like nothing better than shove it up the butt of LaRussa for leaving him off the playoff squad last year, at the same time effectively ending the season for the Cards.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 11:54 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd like to win 86
Maybe it's a sense of pride since I want to win just enough to win our division and if we have 84 wins when we clinch I'd rather set up the rotation for the playoffs and maybe sacrifice a win to do that.

But I'd like to win 86 to at least be 10 over 500.

I definitely want to win more than 83 which the Cardinals did last year.

This is going to be the fall and winter of our content in Chicago.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 16, 2007 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Game Two
It was the two runners thrown out at the plate that cost us the game last night. You can call it great Cardinal defense or lousy baserunning, but either way we MAY have scored more runs and MAY have got Piniero out earlier in the game without those two plays.
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Sep 16, 2007 11:55 AM CDT   0 recs

That-
and that awful Kendall throw to first. I was already crying in the beer over the putrid Iowa game, and that one about did me in.
Iowa f****n' State???? Again?????

by tommy veryzer on Sep 16, 2007 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We are in pretty good shape
regardles of today's game. Is someone had said a few weeks agao that the Cubs would get 2/3 from the Brewers and 3-4/5 with St Louis, most would have been satisifed. The problems is going to be with the Reds, Pirates, and Marlins. Those are the teams that are tripping them up.

Tonight is not a must win- but a really, really, really nice to win.

Who cares what they think? When they go after me, they ain't goin' after no maiden"- Leo Durocher

by tommy veryzer on Sep 16, 2007 11:55 AM CDT   0 recs

Lineups per Yahoo
Cubs
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A. Soriano lf   
M. DeRosa 2b
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
M. Murton rf
C. Monroe cf
G. Soto c
R. Cedeno ss
J. Marquis p

Turds
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A. Miles 2b
R. Ankiel rf
A. Pujols 1b
J. Edmonds cf
R. Ludwick lf
S. Spiezio 3b
Y. Molina c
M. Mulder p
B. Ryan ss

by cubsnlinux on Sep 16, 2007 12:15 PM CDT   0 recs

wow, bringing out the bench for this one
but like that Lou is doing that, get JJ, Floyd, TheRiot, and Kendall a day off.  
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 16, 2007 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tomorrow
We could possibly see the return of Fonty and Theriot at 2nd/SS.  I could see DeRosa getting a day off since he's played almost every day too.  

by ak123 on Sep 16, 2007 12:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I think DeRo could use a Day off as well
he played both games of the DH, one at 3rd and one at 2nd.  Gotta love the guys versitility
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 16, 2007 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is our "kill the lefty" lineup.
I had forgotten that Mulder was a southpaw.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 16, 2007 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cedeno start
Usually I wouldn't be happy with him starting but Theriot could probably use a day off more than anyone.  Plus, Cedeno hits pretty well in September if I re-call the last 2 years...

by ak123 on Sep 16, 2007 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope the
players who don't get to play much make the most of their opportunities today.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sue - sorry for your
Hawkeye loss.

I don't like the Hawkeyes, but was sad for you anyway to see them lost to the big rival.

Is the Iowa-Iowa State games bigger than other Rivalries with Minnesota or other Big Ten schools?

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 16, 2007 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To me it
is bigger since it is a rivalry in the state. ISU fans are just classless. I posted in the game thread from yesterday of my family's experience from the I/ISU game.

Thanks for your condolences.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 16, 2007 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good to see
Soto getting the start.  I honestly think Soto is the best catcher we have right now, even though Kendall is hitting pretty well.

I'm betting the Cubs find a way to get Soto on the playoff roster.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Sep 16, 2007 12:51 PM CDT to parent up