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"According to sources, the Cubs told CSN not to show Cuban or even to talk about his presence at the park during the telecast."

I was starting to think that maybe this outfit was going to start being run like an actual big-market franchise and then these kinds of stories come out.

What is the problem if Cuban is at the park?

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It's got nothing to do with "stupid".
Do you even know WHY Cuban was in the bleachers the other night, figuring he'd get bigtime PR out of it?

It had nothing to do with the Cubs. It had everything to do with trying to get him PR for his upcoming appearance on "Dancing With The Stars". Is it any wonder that the Cubs and CSN didn't want to give him this face time?

They did the right thing. I swear, if the Cubs DO win this thing, you'll find a way to bitch and moan about that, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 19, 2007 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont know
if they "did the right thing."  it was newsworthy that he was there, so it showed somewhat of a lack of journalistic integrity to just blatantly ignore something newsworthy that fans would be interested in.  they didnt have to make some sort of espn/abc production out of it, but it wouldnt have hurt to tell cub fans that a prospective owner was sitting in the bleachers.
Matt Murton career in September: .321/.401/.576, 10 jacks (165 ab). Make sure Matt the Bat gets in the lineup this month Lou!

by kylejo on Sep 19, 2007 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree with this assessment
The problem is does Comcast/WGN show other celebrities in the stands (i.e. last night) because it compliments their entertainment strategy or inventory? No it is considered part of selling of the experience that celebs are part of the whole scene. Now it appears many marketing types are quite integrated and complex using appearances to enhance other entertainment properties et cetera. But to use that as a reason to censure is sublime or capricious especially since it is not in a vacuum.

Cuban is by all published accounts a bidder for the club. He is a 'populist' owner from another sport and his appearance by the fact that the SunTimes covered it is or was newsworthy.

I am tired of how marketing interests have invaded newsworthiness....Worse is the mention that Cuban's fate is determined because he is persona non grata from the 75% ownership.

Finally [dancing] that might be a reason someone gave for Comcast not to mention it, (by the way two things that undercut this reasoning; one, the demographics of Comcast I predict does not match up with Dancing demographics both in ad profile and viewership, two what if Floyd hit his HR in his vicinity then what...what would Comcast do then?) but I don't buy it....the publicity value of Cuban on the Dancing at Wrigley which was a local broadcast game is at best negligible, (if it were tonight when ESPN is broadcasting then you can try to make the case), I chalk it up attempting not to promote Cuban as a potential legitimate suitor and teeth gnashing.... and that is my educated opinion

Cubs 2-12 one run games 04-05/07 20-10 since.

by Ivy Walls on Sep 19, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh god this is rich
If this were a cake my diabetic aunt would've died for a nibble.
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by Faith plus 1 on Sep 19, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some reason
swear words sound great coming from Al...
I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Sep 19, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify this....
You're saying some higher-up from the Cubs finds out Cuban is at the game.  He/she says to him/herself "I don't want that Cuban to get any free publicity for that "Dancing With The Stars" show" and then makes the effort to call Comcast and tells them not to show Cuban or have the announcers mention Cuban?

And you're serious about this?

Wow, they are even dumber than I thought.

by Peoria Matt on Sep 20, 2007 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you need clarification......
....then the answer to your original question is yes, you are that stupid.

Seriously, who gives a shit about this? I could not care less if Cuban was in stands or at Hi Tops. B...F....D. Cuban at a game is news, and showing him on TV for an obvious publicity stunt wholly unrelated to baseball is something you're going to gripe about????

If Cuban's people weren't stupid, like you, they would have waited one entire night and had him there for last night's ESPN broadcast instead. ESPN, part of the big, happy ABC family, could have shown him all night until most of us puked and you made a mess in your shorts. I'm guessing it would be a close call as to which would happen first.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 20, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda harsh huh?
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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 20, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally I Try Not To Be...
...but this one just struck me as simply an excuse to post yet another negative thing about the Cubs. It's such a non-issue, but to ask the question he did, it's an opening he shouldn't give people.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 20, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he asked
if "they" were this stupid.

Absolutely agree though, that this is very unimportant compared to what we are really looking at here in September.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaraitas

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 20, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beer Cub.....
Reading is a skill: "Are they really this stupid?" was the title.  Now in that sense "they" does not mean me, it means the Cubs.  Was that too fast for you?

And "who gives a shit about this"?  Exactly my point.

Why would anyone with the Cubs give a shit if Cuban is at the game?  And who gives a shit if "Dancing With The Stars" gets mentioned?  Because as we all know, the celebs that suck the "Seventh Inning Stretch" teet are all there for the love of the game, not to promote anything.  But I guess that's ok because the Cubs arranged the appearance.

And I'm guessing Al the reason you haven't told BeerCub to tone it down is because you agree with him.

by Peoria Matt on Sep 21, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I could care less...
...whether they show him or not. I'd rather CSN focus on the playoff-contending baseball team on the field.
"It's big because it knocks them out of semi-contention." Jason Marquis referring to the St. Louis Cardinals on 9/16/07

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2007 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of celebrities...
...anyone else catch avowed bisoxual John Cusack in the stands last night?
"It's big because it knocks them out of semi-contention." Jason Marquis referring to the St. Louis Cardinals on 9/16/07

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2007 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
he was there Monday too.  A colleague met him.  I think he was wearing one of those half and half jerseys with Cubs/Sox.  :)
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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 19, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Yeah
Ah, that's cool. I suppose we shouldn't complain about celebrities starting to turn up at games -- just another sign that the Cubs are in contention, I guess.
"It's big because it knocks them out of semi-contention." Jason Marquis referring to the St. Louis Cardinals on 9/16/07

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care who is there..
as long as I am if/wehn the clinch.
MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaraitas

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 19, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cusack
Yeah he was drinking a big bottle of water and wearing a black nautical hat. I heard some whispers about detox.

by ms9av on Sep 19, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Cusack
Interesting. He did look like he'd put on some weight.
"It's big because it knocks them out of semi-contention." Jason Marquis referring to the St. Louis Cardinals on 9/16/07

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 19, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True yet
I have no more interest in seeing John "I root for both sides of town" Cusak and Jennifer Anniston and Vince Vaughn who happened to be in a movie together that was coming out soon (or maybe it was already out).

Fans are fans and why the hell does it matter if he was on camera?  We ought not get sidetracked from the issue at hand...whether this team can push through this month and take us to the next level of this journey.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaraitas

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 19, 2007 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cusack
I lost respect for Cusack during the '03 playoffs when he was sitting in the bleachers at the start of the game, getting TV coverage and doing interviews; as the game progressed, he was then shown sitting in a luxury box.  It was shades of Fred Dalton Thompson and his red pickup truck.  
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by LT on Sep 19, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Politics
I hope you're being facetious but if not, Seriously?!? I'm not discussing politics, just two actors/politicians who used the equivalent of props to appear to be something they're not.  Considering Cusack is a die-hard liberal and Thompson the opposite, I would have thought that was crystal clear.  However, to avoid any problems in the future, I'll never mention a public official or candidate for any public office ever again, regardless of the context.  
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by TMOX on Sep 20, 2007 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Cuban requested that he not be shown
He does seems to shy away from public attention after all...

by Wreckard on Sep 19, 2007 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LMAO
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 19, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

back to the original question
Newsworthy coverage and manipulation or censureship. Bottom line, let us put to rest the idea that Cuban was here to make a publicity appearance to promote some show on another network that does not match with the demographics of Chicago cable only baseball viewers.

So why would the Tribune/WGN/Cubs management specifically tell the producers and directors and announcers not to mention Cuban's presence in the park? It was reported that they decided to do that while ironically showing Cusak the following night among other celebs through the year?

Information control to which they could control it. You can speculate as to why, or to its merits or effectiveness but someone thought it was the thing to do.

Cubs 2-12 one run games 04-05/07 20-10 since.

by Ivy Walls on Sep 19, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever
watched Dancing With The Stars? That is exactly why he was there last night. This was the perfect footage for their show. If he was there just as a perspective owner why would he have brought his new dance partner? I will be very surprised if I don't see footage from the game last night one of the three nights the show is on next week.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 19, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'M ASHAMED OF YOU SUE!
You watch DWTS???
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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 19, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the show.
I know someone who was on it last spring. That's how I know Cuban being there last night was a pr move for the show.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 19, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sue, Sue, Sue...
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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 19, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sue, I'm wid 'ya ...
It's not my favourite show, but as a kinda-former dancer (I'm more into ice dance), the show is certainly entertaining ... I rooted like hell for Apolo last season.  What a cutie!

--t.

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 19, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love
to be able to dance like they do on the show. Apolo and Julianne were fantastic.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 20, 2007 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cuban cigar!
the cubs aren't interested in cuban.i would rather have bill murray!

by cubz409 on Sep 19, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs were absolutely correct
in not allowing any mention of Cuban. If they did that who knows where it could lead. Celebrities singing during the 7th inning stretch and promoting everything under the sun. The thought is frightening.
It's not to late to go to Soto.

by tharr on Sep 19, 2007 11:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know, i took a completely different
approach to this.  When I heard that they wouldn't show Cuban, my first thought was that it was because there were guys in the clubhouse watching.  Then these guys would go and let the people in the dugout know he was there, which could possibly be an unwanted distraction.

Of course, I could be completely wrong.

by jjmarie30 on Sep 19, 2007 11:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're tired about...
celebrities showing up at Wrigley to promote their acts, wait until the playoffs come to Chicago. I bet TBS will have the cast from "My Boys" (a comedy about a female Chicago sports writer) sitting in front row, and Fox will have Kelsey Grammer there along with all the stars from their upcoming shows. They might even superimpose Homer Simpson in the bleachers, sitting next to Al. :-)

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 20, 2007 12:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Could it get
any better than sitting with Al and Homer? lol, that would be too fun!
fly your W flag Cubs fans!

by love the ivy on Sep 20, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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