September 4, 2007...Men vs. Boys.....

by kcjones on Sep 4, 2007 10:28 PM CDT

Let's see who's bellyin up (or as NOT Bruce would say...mannin up)....

MEN -- St. Louis Card ooopss..Deadturd offense...a stellar example of clutch hitting...6 of their 10 baserunners (and one of those were erased in a DP)scored tonight...an excellent blood lusting hungry and EFFICIENT 4/9 LOB choke factor.....while their pitching basically got the Pirates to pull a Chicago Cub...2 of 13 baserunners scoring....10/17 CHOKE FACTOR....and Honorable mention to Chris Duncan...a .264 hitting outfielder...who ai'nt afraid to step up and WIN....3 RBI's tonight to have 69....nobody in the Cub outfield is even close ...

BOYS...as is the case all year...all the Hendry chicken$hit$ are afraid to win...2 of 11 baserunners...and the little PITP's....chicken$hit$ GIDP'd 4 times (actually 5 times....guess the ninth led to more choking)...whick certainly helped the 6/14 choke factor...still waiting for those names.....

CUB OFFENSE CHOKE ROSTER
D.Lee in the first...guess thats the home run pressure price to pay.

4th..Kendalll...but Honorable mention to Jones..who probably coulda easily done it himself with the FC....nice set up Jones.

6th ---The usual suspect...Jones...

8th..DWard...this is becoming an all around offense failure...

9th...who else....Jones again.....

HENDRY...Thanks for this fu^%&in OFFENSE....

I'll name names once ESPN updates the box score to where we can start pinning blame....CHOKASAURUS CUB...I now have....

MEN Ney York Yankees....BLAST their closest wild card rival

MEN ... Milwaukee Brewers...Clutch pitching leads to an awful cublike 10/22 in runners left on base for the Astros......

Go ahead ans start the flames....but this is clutch time people...and this is EXACTLY WHAT I'm COMPLAINING ABOUT ALL YEAR

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D Ward had a good game

This game was all on Jacque Jones.
He killed that rally

by gocubs40 on Sep 4, 2007 10:26 PM CDT reply actions

I was kinda pointing that out....

So...(cough, cough, sarcasm...) which rally was it that Jones killed?

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 4, 2007 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions

stupid

I'm assuming he's referring to either 1) the one where he scorched the ball but right at the second baseman, or 2) the one in the 9th where he again hit it hard, but only to have the pitcher make a very nice play. In either instance, if you're upset with Jones you're an idiot.

by kanderber on Sep 4, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions

So I guess that the...

The fact Jones has hit into 16 DP's....for comparison sake, that puts him in the TOP 10 in the NL....yet I'll bet (n o need to bet...he doesn't) he doesn't have the Ab's and the RBI's of some of his infamous company ...

like Chipper Jones, Ray Durham, Brian McCann and Miguel Cabrera.........

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 4, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions

You cant be serious?

DLee grounded into 3 straight double plays. 2 on Monday and 1 to begin the game yesterday (which i might add might have changed the perspective of the game).

Seriously this is 5th grader behavior, Jones has been the only constant the past month. You cannot blame one guy for losing last night. Seriously, how many runs did we score? 2, how many RBIs did Jones have 1. Rest of the team 1.

Look else where my friend.

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed 100%

This is chicken-shit stuff here - pretty lame all around.

Cubs' fans are the best at ignoring mistakes and poor-play by their favorite players and hammering those who have played so well.

You don't blame one guy for a team loss - I swear some of these douchebag-"cub fans" just want to pounce on guys like jones --

Give Z whatever he Please...NOW!

by southerncubbie on Sep 5, 2007 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Bottom line...

What did we do well when we were winning? We played as a team.

What do we do when we lose a few in a row? We dont play as a team.

Simply, no need to blame anyone or point fingers or do this or do that. They win as a team and lose as a team.

Also lets not forget, we are still in first, and we only lost two games. If you fans are going to blow up like this after every lose from here on out, the hospitals are going to be full of heart attack patients!

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions

angry fans are not good analysts

Over the year Cubs are 3rd in RISP. Cubs need to win to stop the bleeding and the anger.

Lilly pitching today is a good start but I think a change in lineup with Soriano moving down, (2nd or 3rd) and Soto starting might help.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 5, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

I was at the game....

last night and i turned to my buddy in the 7th and told him:

"if i was the coach right now, i think for tomorrows game i would have the first 9 batters bunt." Dont care what happened or what the situation was but all nine batters in a row bunt"

Bunting is a fundamental tool in baseball and it involves watching the ball into the bat. We as of late we all know what has happened when we need a clutch bunt. Nothing. I think there is a lack of concentration and lack of watching the ball to the bat. I personally think that it will get alot of guys seeing the ball better and concentration more on normal abs.

Just my thoughts.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions

3rd at what with RISP?

Batting average is a meaningless stat here...

runners 1st and 2nd...1 out....sharp single...bases loaded...next batter GIDP..

Team average with risp... .500

A meaningfuls stat would be how many runners/RISP score....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 7, 2007 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Jones...

is hitting .214 on this homestand...

The offense is wretched.

According to the Cub hitters, and all you Rosies, everyone starting (pitching) in the NL is Cy Young....always an excuse....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions

re: Jones...

Getting shut down by some no-name lefty just up from Triple A is certainly something the team should take some criticism for. Getting shut down by Brad Penny is somewhat more understandable, though no less frustrating for us fans.

Until the bullpen gave it up, the Cubs were playing competitive baseball last night.

Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by daver on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes....

Penny is a little more understandable ... especially more so than that Houston kid last week w/ the 8.00+ ERA on the road....

But...where we disagree is I say the offense blew it by failing big in scoring opportunities...you say the bullpen let the team down....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 5, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

Please elaborate...

You are still yet to mention DLee's awful at bat in the first inning where we had Penny on the ropes and our 'leader' grounds into a double play.

But it is Derek Lee.

We had 4 different players touch first base in the first inning. Zero touched third. Just an FYI Jones did not bat in the first. You could also call out DeRosa for swinging at the first pitch in the first inning after Penny walked two straight guys on 8 straight pitches.

But it is DeRosa.

Or how about in the 5th the Dodgers got 2, and then we come up to bat and see 7 pitches, and Penny is back in the dugout?

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions

Responding to both posts...

Yes...I'm being very sarcastic. If I went too far sorry.

I meant to be calling out the whole offense. I guess it does look like I'm picking on Jones...but as I did point out, he wasn't the only one who hit into DP's....he just hit into the most.

D. Lee less the HR Sunday is in a funk...A Ram is in a funk...

Look....this team desperatly needs to score some runs

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 5, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions

then lay off of jones....

....without his play in August we might be out of it -

Give Z whatever he Please...NOW!

by southerncubbie on Sep 5, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions

re: Yes....

Actually, I don't disagree that the offense let the team down. (That first inning was particularly disappointing, though I tried to console myself with the thought that at least Penny threw a lot of pitches.)

I mainly disagree with all this "manning up" business. If you meant all that boys/men stuff as a joke, I just think you stretched it a bit too far.

Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by daver on Sep 5, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions

...and if

someone hitting .214 over the last 10 games is the big constant threat...this team is in serious trouble....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions

Still dont get your point?

9 guys play at a time - 9 guys bat, so how can 1 guy change the game when there were 6 DPs yesterday? 6-2 loss, means no matter what, a 1 guy cannot make the difference. What do you want Jones to do, hit 7 solo shots for us and win the game?

In our last 4 wins, Jones has gone, 2-4,1-4,0-3,0-3. Those are not stellar numbers but the Cubs won. So if he hits like crap in wins, and hits like crap in loses why do you blame him for the loses, and not give him credit for the wins?

Are you forgeting that there is still 26 games left? Or do you just want to hate someone and be a downer on the Cubs. To be honest, you are starting to sound like a Brewer fan a few weeks ago.

We played a sub 500 August and ended up in first. Why are you giving up so quickly?

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions

Because the...

sub .500 trend is continuing into September...

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 5, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions

It is?

The Cubs are exactly .500 so far this month.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions

Um 2-2 is .500.

n/t

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions

IMHO...

.500 September won't get the job done.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions

And the month is four games old

and there are 25 left.

Ever hear of "small sample size"?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Well

your humble opinion doesn't matter at all.

The cubs chances are exactly the same one way or the other.

by El Borto on Sep 5, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions

There are 25 games left.

Let's say they go 13-12 -- one game over .500.

That just might do it. 83 wins got it done last year.

I think the Cubs can do better than that, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

No need for me to flame you

You're burning up quite nicely.

Why don't you take some Valium before you come back here again, OK?

A disgrace to the real Ken Hubbs, indeed.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 4, 2007 10:38 PM CDT reply actions

Sorry, KC

I thought you were Ken. I get all you malcontents mixed up. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 4, 2007 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Deep Breaths...

... count to 100 and breathe. Relax.

PERRY!!!!

by Goat Whisperer on Sep 4, 2007 10:40 PM CDT reply actions

LOL

I'll take that "infamous company" on the Cubs in a heartbeat.

PERRY!!!!

by Goat Whisperer on Sep 4, 2007 11:30 PM CDT reply actions

uh...yea..me too....

If you produce...the Dp's don't look so bad....kinda my point.....

This company is all up in the 80+ RBI area...."CHOKE" hass what...50?

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 4, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions

WADR...

...it's tough to glean points in this diary.

PERRY!!!!

by Goat Whisperer on Sep 5, 2007 12:06 AM CDT reply actions

Oh gosh...

fans are so fickle sometimes.

For the record, this is one of the posters who proclaimed the Cubs' dead throughout the year.

http://bleedcubbieblue.com/comments/2007/6/20/145749/916/243#243

MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on Sep 5, 2007 12:46 AM CDT reply actions

Amused

thekansasian........

that was interesting LOL

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 5, 2007 12:51 AM CDT reply actions

Well, he did predict 70-92

So if the Cubs lose out, he'll be correct.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 1:35 AM CDT reply actions

Interesting writing style...

...it would be even better if you weren't blithering nonsense based on a single (and, admittedly, bad) game.

"...all the Hendry chicken$hit$ are afraid to win..."

LOL. Yeah, that's the problem. The Cubs are afraid to win. That's why they've clawed their way back from eight games under (or whatever it was) earlier in the season to seize control of first place IN SEPTEMBER.

News flash: Brad Penny is a great pitcher. The Cubs aren't the first team he's shut down this year. Get over it. And stop equating wins and losses with a team's masculinity -- that's a juvenile and unimaginative approach that only further weakens your already anemic point.

Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by daver on Sep 5, 2007 9:33 AM CDT reply actions