It's Not Getting Any Ethier
As if you didn't dislike Dodgers OF Andre Ethier enough already, after his game-winning three-run HR off Ryan Dempster that gave the Dodgers the series with a 7-4 win over the Cubs, I'm going to tell you a little story about him about something that occurred this morning at the ballpark.
You all have seen me write about Jenna, my daughter Rachel's friend who was Bat Mitzvah two weeks ago. Today, Jenna's mom came to the ballpark on her day off to get some Dodger autographs that Jenna had wanted. She got Mike Lieberthal to sign, a couple of others, and then went to Russell Martin, who wasn't signing very much, and Ethier, who she said at first she didn't even recognize.
Ethier told her: "I'm only going to sign as much as Martin does." Martin had signed, at that time, only one piece, so Ethier signed only one piece. Then Martin signed a few more, so Ethier did, too -- but only for the men waiting, not for Jenna's mom, who was the only woman around. She asked him, "Aren't you going to sign for me?"
His response will stun you. He said, "I already have five girlfriends, I don't want another one." She responded, "I don't want to be your girlfriend, I just want your autograph." But Ethier continued: "I'm just a Southwestern kind of guy, I like to rope my women in." (He's a native of Phoenix, Arizona.)
Stunned, Jenna's mom handed Ethier's card to one of the men in line and Ethier signed it (a pretty weak-looking signature, too, I might add).
Now, maybe Ethier thinks he was being funny, but it strikes me as being extremely rude. Oh, and in case any of the five girlfriends is reading this: you're not the only one!!!
I had to get that out of my system because Ethier's home run -- which just barely made the first row of seats and was definitely wind-aided -- has dealt a serious blow to the Cubs' playoff hopes. Tied now with Milwaukee, and only a game ahead of St. Louis after their apparent blowout win over the Pirates today (they're leading 16-4 at this writing, and it just went into a rain delay in the 9th inning), with 24 games left, the Cubs aren't done, not by a long shot.
But they had better start winning. Now. They are going on the road, starting tomorrow, and so are the Brewers and Cardinals. Road records:
But they have to have better hitting. On a day when the wind was howling out to left field, only Alfonso Soriano could hit the ball out of the ballpark; he accounted for all four RBI and two of the six hits with his two HR, the second of which gave the Cubs a 4-2 lead going into the 8th inning, a lead they should have been able to hold on to. Bob Howry gave a run of it back on Matt Kemp's no-doubt-about-it HR in the 8th.
Then you all know what Dempster did. I haven't had a chance to look through the game thread comments and I can only imagine what you all said about Dempster. Here's the bottom line: it's his third blown save of the year. It's a spectacular one. These things do happen, even to the best closers (example: Takashi Saito, who dispatched the Cubs 1-2-3 in the 9th and who has 37 saves with a 1.31 ERA, also has three blown saves this year). It's just that this is the worst possible time for this to happen (bad enough, that those left after the blowup in the LF bleachers started chanting, "Marmol! Marmol! Marmol!").
Does this mean "Dump Dempster?" No, it doesn't. He could easily go back to saving games -- his last blown save was June 10 in Atlanta. What has to happen is that the Cubs need to start putting opponents away, and not giving games away -- Derrek Lee absolutely, positively has to make the play at first base on James Loney's ground ball just before Ethier's HR. (He was originally charged with an error -- justified, I thought; it shouldn't have been changed to a hit.) Had that play been made, with first base open and one out, Ethier might have been walked and Dempster would have faced Tony Abreu with runners on first and second and one out. The resulting ground ball could well have been a game-ending double play. Even at 6-4, the Cubs might have felt they had a shot at getting back into the game in the 9th, but Dempster's bad outing turned horrid when he wild-pitched in the seventh run.
All of this ruined a fine, fine outing by Jason Marquis, who retired the first fourteen hitters he faced before Loney's HR in the fifth inning. He threw two more effective innings before departing for pinch-hitter Cliff Floyd, who walked. Sam Fuld ran for Floyd and scored his first major league run on Soriano's HR. Marquis deserved better.
Oh, and Daryle Ward got picked off again, in the first inning (apparently, replays showed he was safe). I was talking to Dave about this and he said sometimes big, slow guys like Ward try to get a little more of an edge leading off a base than they really should, because they know they're not fast, and apparently they feel they need this to perhaps score from first on a double. That said, big, slow guys like Ward have to pay extra attention to pitchers, particularly veteran pitchers like Derek Lowe, because otherwise they're going to get picked off again and again. The Cubs could have, since there were two walks issued by Lowe in the first inning, had a big inning and maybe put the game away early.
And as if that weren't bad enough, I left the ballpark without my umbrella (it didn't even rain today -- might as well have, given the result of the game). I tried calling Jeff, Howard and Jon to find out if any of them had taken it. Only Howard would answer his phone. He said he didn't have it. Which was true -- Jeff did. They threatened to put it on eBay and leave the auction only open to BCB members.
Now seriously. How much would any of you have bid on a used, six-year-old blue and white golf umbrella?
Maybe I shouldn't ask those questions. They met me at my car and the umbrella is now resting comfortably in the back. We all needed the comic relief after today's disaster. It's not over -- far from it -- but I can't imagine tonight's Cub flight to Pittsburgh is going to be a very happy one.
Till tomorrow. Keep faith and hope, because this race, I believe, may go down to the very last day, or even beyond.
Note: Aramis Ramirez' foul ball, which missed being a HR by about twenty feet (and which would have given the Cubs a 6-2 lead and maybe kept Dempster out of the game), broke a window on this bus parked on Waveland:

Click here for my scorecard from today's game (don't forget that you may have to click on the image in Firefox, or on the lower-right corner in IE, to expand the image to full size)
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I initially thought...
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 6, 2007 5:44 PM CDT 0 recs
The play should have been made, and...
by Al on
Sep 6, 2007 5:51 PM CDT
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The fact
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 5:58 PM CDT
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Come on.....
by IOWACUBSFAN on
Sep 7, 2007 12:45 PM CDT
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Actually
by cubsbak on
Sep 7, 2007 12:47 PM CDT
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It didn't appear
And, as regarding the pick-off...I was sitting in the dugout box, second row with a perfect view of the play. Ward's foot was back on the bag before the tag.
Sorry, I don't remember the umpire in question -- but he was wearing sunglasses during the play. (The sky was overcast in the first, the lights had been turned on.)
However -- he took the sunglasses off between innings. I'll let you, dear reader -- connect the dots.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Sep 6, 2007 10:51 PM CDT
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Speaking of pulled-in infields...
Yeah, that strategy works all the time.
by Al on
Sep 7, 2007 10:08 AM CDT
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Not an error...
Lee is a great defender but that was not an error on Lee's part, IMHO.
by DrCrawdad on
Sep 6, 2007 11:16 PM CDT
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What's wrong with site clock, Al?
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 6, 2007 5:46 PM CDT 0 recs
And...
I'm not sure how these times are accounted for. I'll see if I can ask the web gurus to fix this.
by Al on
Sep 6, 2007 5:50 PM CDT
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I think you're right
by Matt Allison on Sep 6, 2007 5:50 PM CDT 0 recs
You LEFT the UMBRELLA ?
of the West in the WIZARD OF OZ. The umbrella in question is HUGE. I think it covers his whole back row. Anyway sorry you were so shaken as to have left it but glad Jeff got it back. Might have been fun if it put it on eBay though. We coud have given the profits to D Lee's charity.
by jessica on Sep 6, 2007 5:56 PM CDT 0 recs
When I got home....
Today I was in the upper deck with my dad and didn't see the ball hit the bus, but did see the bus after the game.
At least I got to spend some quality time with my dad today and we got to celebrate our upcoming birthdays -- just the two of us.
I can't even talk about today's game. When I think about it I want to cry.
by No Southern Belle on Sep 6, 2007 5:58 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm following Lou on this
While I hate losing the game. And those Blanekety blank blanking Cardinals are now one back, I'm not THAT upset about this one. It sucks.... no doubt.... but the pitching has still been solid. And if Lou feels there's another winning streak in this team then I do to. and a 12 out of 13 or 15 out of seventeen against Pittsburgh,Cincinatti, and the Cardinals is entirely possible.
So I will let the doomsayers and the Dempster bashers have their day. ( I sure hope someone calls him Dumpster.....So funny and original when they do that. Mature too). They seem to enjoy days like these. I'll look forward to playing the Pirates....
by yahoodi on Sep 6, 2007 6:02 PM CDT 0 recs
People like to announce their iqs
People said he'd suck before he started closing and don't want to admit they were wrong.
I love how this Marmol love is going on. Heck I like the kid a lot. But you don't throw a guy who's never closed into the job in September unless you have to.
Remember LaTroy Hawkins was a lights out guy in the 7th and 8th too.
We all know how that turned out.
I'm not saying Marmol is a closer. In fact if I were a betting person I'd bet he will be our closer next year with Dempster either wearing another uniform or starting.
I would like to see the Cubs keep Ryan as a closer if they keep him although if they move him to the rotation he could always switch back if Marmol fails.
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Sep 6, 2007 7:25 PM CDT
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Shouldn't forget
by Matt Allison on Sep 6, 2007 6:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Could be mixed
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Sep 6, 2007 7:30 PM CDT
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Howry
DmL
by dmlichte on Sep 6, 2007 6:12 PM CDT 0 recs
I think if Ethier was joking he would have
by cubsfan4life on Sep 6, 2007 6:14 PM CDT 0 recs
Disapointing loss
by wild bill on Sep 6, 2007 6:14 PM CDT 0 recs
Thanks for the bus picture
by adam316 on Sep 6, 2007 6:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Ethier is a playah... (in more ways than one)
Then during batting practice today (yes, I went inside today - value price tickets have that effect on me), he was jawing pretty good with fans in right field. Seemed to be mostly in good fun, though he was pretty cocky. Fans were telling him he sucked (wow - that's original), and he would tease them by fake-throwing balls into the seats. He did throw one up, but made sure it was way up and out onto Sheffield - I'm sure just to antagonize the fans that were riding him.
So I had to laugh to myself as I'm listening to the radio in the 9th inning when Ethier comes up with runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs. Both Pat & Ron were expecting Ethier to bunt to move the runners over.
Ha!!! No way does this brash, cocky, smartass of a player lay down a bunt - it wouldn't be manly enough for him.
Sure enough - no bunt. Just a back-breaker of a home run. Ouch!
by ballhawk on Sep 6, 2007 6:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Bullpen alternatives/options
Today, since our starter completed the seventh, we had Howry-Dempster...I'm wondering if we might consider Marmol to close some, to give Dempster a break now and then or if he doesn't get the job done.
Looking forward, this leaves Wood w/o a meaningful role...heading into '08, I can't see this continuing, meaning Dempster could be a good trade candidate and bringing a nice return..>make Marmol/Wood the closer.
They have been hurt by lack of a reliable lefty..Either is a lefthanded hitter you could second guess Pinella on that if Eyre/Ohman were guys you could go to the bank on.
The Cubs are good enough to win as constituted, good enough to win the Central anyway.
by writerinwrigley on Sep 6, 2007 6:26 PM CDT 0 recs
Marmol should be used...
I'm tired of the defined "roles" in the bullpen. Each game is different, and requires different personnel. If Marmol was available there, I'd have gone with him to get the win.
by SouthernCub on
Sep 6, 2007 6:33 PM CDT
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Absolutely agree
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 6:38 PM CDT
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Seconding that Agreement
by ms9av on
Sep 6, 2007 6:57 PM CDT
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Sorry, but that's not the way...
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 8:34 PM CDT
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Actually
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 8:49 PM CDT
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Yeabut...
But i totally agree with you about Lou using Dempster in a non save situation. He has to stop doing that, even if he needs work, it never seems to fail that he goes in, in a non save situation and the following day we need him.
If people want to compare Lou and Dusty i think the bullpen is where you can do it. Lou totally mismanages our pen. One example is using Marmol in a 10-2 game against the Rockies. Why?
by HIGGY on
Sep 7, 2007 6:56 AM CDT
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Al you really
Fans, keep your chins up. We are still in the hunt. Does not matter if we are tied for first or at this point of the season two games out. We are with in striking distance.
Truth be told though, this lose really hurts.
by wild bill on Sep 6, 2007 6:28 PM CDT 0 recs
By hurts
by wild bill on
Sep 6, 2007 6:30 PM CDT
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by tbizzle83 on Sep 6, 2007 6:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Just Venting ---
But the time has come to vent.
We can find all kinds of reasons why the game was lost. We fault Ward for getting picked off -- inexcusable. Like Brenly said last night -- a good ballplayer keeps his head up -- he doesn't turn his head after a ball or strike at the plate and lose concentration. For God's sake, we all know that Ward is not going to take a huge leadoff, he is not going to steal, he is not going to confuse the opposition with his blazing speed. He just plain lost it -- he did not pay attention to what was going on and got picked off by the catcher. Bottom line -- he screwed up.
But we lost because our closer did not do what he is paid to do -- he gave up the tying and winning runs.
Let me ask all of you a question --- do you feel comfortable when Dempster enters a game when we are winning by a run or two in the ninth inning? Let me ask all of you a second question -- would you rather have Marmol or Dempster pitch when the game is on the line like it was today? If you can honestly say and I do mean honestly say that you would rather have Dempster in the situation that we saw today rather than Marmol, I need to hear a rational explanation.
The statistics tell us that Dempster has only blown three saves this year. All of them were real eye openers. I was at the one in Atlanta in June. Most of us saw the one against the Mets and sat back in disbelief.
Then today -- another implosion. And how many other times has he put men on base and escaped.
Dempster is an accident waiting to happen. If you do not believe that Marmol should be the closer in games like today, I feel sorry for you. Marmol should be our closer -- hands down. The oppostion fears him -- just look at the results.
With two men on base, don't we all think that Marmol should have been in the game with Ethier at the plate?
Dempster is not the man -- he does not strike fear into the hearts of mortal men.
In these last 23 games, Marmol needs to be the closer not Dempster.
If Lou continues to use him in these types of situations, we are doomed.
I have been a Cubs fan for well over fifty years and feel that I have some insight. You may not like what I have said but I have to vent.
We can win this thing -- but not with Dempster as our closer and with our best pinch hitter Ward playing right field.
We all bitch about the Deadbirds and their savior Ankiel. But where is our Ankiel? He does not have to be a resurrected pitcher. We need some of our guys to save us -- someone to get a hit when we need it instead of another double play or called third strike.
We all want this team to win -- we die everytime they lose -- we need to win more than two games in a row -- but we also need some smart decisions by both our manager and our players.
by ceegeewow on Sep 6, 2007 7:02 PM CDT 0 recs
That's why Lou is manager
He's not dumb enough to go to another closer in a pennant race when he blows his first save in just under 3 months.
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Sep 6, 2007 7:23 PM CDT
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I'm comfortable with Dempster closing.
Neither does Mármol. He fails sometimes. If I recall correctly, he started somewhat shaky the 7th inning Wednesday night. However, because Mármol is not throwing in the 9th inning, there is time for him and the team to recover. Dempster doesn't have that luxury.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 8:39 PM CDT
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Dempster threw on Wed. night...
Lou should have gotten someone else up once the game got out of hand, thus saving Dempster for today.
by Al on
Sep 6, 2007 9:25 PM CDT
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Glancing at Dempster's gamelog
In EVERY SINGLE one of those previous back-to-backs Dempster was just as effective on the second day as he was the first and in many of those back-to-backs he was MORE effective the second day. The June 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th appearances are an interesting example. On June 10th he melted down against Atlanta, giving up 3 runs (he hadn't pitched in 3 days before that appearance). The next THREE days he didn't give up a run, saving a 2-1 game against Houston (the 1-game makeup), pitching a perfect inning in a 5-3 loss to Seattle, and saving a 3-2 game against Seattle.
In his time as a reliever Dempster has historically thrived with more work. In short, there was no reason why Sweet Lou wouldn't expect a decent performance from Dempster in a back-to-back situation. Dempster is not the kind of reliever that needs to be "saved". As I recall, the general consensus around here was his struggles last season were due to inactivity. Now he's getting too much work? I don't think so. He just blew this one plain and simple.
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 9:47 PM CDT
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Excellent research!
Now back to your regular programming.
Good job...
So how 'bout us all talking about a Cubs win, say 23 hours and 20 minutes from now?!
by blackhawk24 on
Sep 6, 2007 9:53 PM CDT
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I'm not up for Marmol closing
It's another to do it in the 9th.
Dempster has been pretty good for us. He last blew a save June 10.
I'll take a closer who goes from June 10 to Sept. 6 without blowing a save any day of the week.
He's one of the reasons we're here.
I blame him for the meltdown, but I also blame Lou for using him Wednesday night. I blame Lee for not getting to the ball. I blame Howry for not shutting the door on the 8th.
I blame the offense for not scoring more.
by lancaster99 on Sep 6, 2007 7:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Finally someone makes sense
Latroy Hawkins.
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Sep 6, 2007 7:21 PM CDT
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My thoughts exactly.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 8:41 PM CDT
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Huh?
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 8:56 PM CDT
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No.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 9:04 PM CDT
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But
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 9:06 PM CDT
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Yes, I follow the team.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 9:51 PM CDT
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Not EVERY game
by cubsbak on
Sep 6, 2007 9:56 PM CDT
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His pitches were high...
Dempster was effective pitching in consecutive games earlier in the season and after his DL stint. But it's September, late in the season, under the summer heat, and human beings tire easily under these conditions.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 7, 2007 8:32 AM CDT
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Sure
If you want to blame the manager for everything that goes wrong with the Cubs that's certainly your prerogative. Unfortunately in this case the facts don't add up.
by cubsbak on
Sep 7, 2007 8:39 AM CDT
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I am defending Dempster.
Remember, the numbers you cite are from earlier in the season and his appearances take a toll, as they would on any human being. It's up to the manager to use his bullpen with care and save the closer in September for save situations. For instance, look at what happened to Torre last season for using Mariano Rivera too much.
In other words, I don't blame the manager for everything that goes wrong. As a fan, I just hold Lou accountable for those things that are part of his responsibilities, like the lineup and using the relievers.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 7, 2007 12:44 PM CDT
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So if that's the case
by blackhawk24 on
Sep 6, 2007 9:08 PM CDT
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If anyone thinks Dempster should be closing...
He has poor control and can't work out of situations with K's because he can't strike anyone out anymore and he pitches to contact.
I said last week that Dempster should not be closing and Marmol should be given the opportunity and that Dumpster would blow one within the week and as usual, I was right again.
by lemon20pie on
Sep 7, 2007 12:09 AM CDT
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dempster...
in any event, when considering dempster's save percentage, his ERA becomes almost inconsequential especially when considering that a closer's primary duty is to preserve (save) the lead.
fundamentally, it really doesn't matter if dempster gives up a run, here or there, so long as he records the save.
by rm463 on
Sep 7, 2007 8:30 AM CDT
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I like how some folks call others clueless...
What I hear here from the Dempster dumpers is he shouldn't be closing but not once has there been a feasible plan-B.
We have a "Marmol to close" campaigner in here but no forthright understanding how Marmols' current role (a more than 1 inning middle of the game stopper) is going to be replaced.
Will Marmol be the closer of the future? Likely. Will he be put in the role exclusively now, like some here suggest? No. If you've watched Lou all season you would know he doesn't make these knee-jerk reactions.
Just once, I'd like to come on here and not see so many ledge-jumpers when 1 game goes wrong.
And please spare us the "if we lose the division title by 1 game speech". There are already more than a dozen of those candidates this season.
by blackhawk24 on
Sep 7, 2007 9:20 AM CDT
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If you really want to avoid the
by billybuck on
Sep 7, 2007 9:54 AM CDT
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This is the last good team the Cubs face..
by CubFaninCA on Sep 6, 2007 7:17 PM CDT 0 recs
Biggest game of the season
This team has shown a resilliency this year.
Has anyone noticed they seem to not get down by bad games but also not up after good games?
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 6, 2007 7:21 PM CDT 0 recs
Here's some fun 2003 stats
They beat the Red Roosters two in a row to finish that wonderful 4 of 5 game series. Then they swept the Schlitzes. All that time, however, they only remained a .5 game up.
Then they beat the French Canadiens 4-3, with Big Z getting the victory. But because the Astros played on the Cubs' off-day, the Cubs and Astros were tied.
Then we lost two games to the Frenchies, including a 3-2 loss where Alex Gonzalez hit into a double play in the 9th, scoring Alou, but ending the threat.
The Astros swept the Red Chickens, who by this point were rolling over like the dogs they are, and we only take two of three from the Reds, leaving us 2 games back on Sept. 14
The last game was a killer. Zambrano throws 129 pitches, and gives up one run in the top of the ninth. Loses 1-0. Cubs get 7 hits, can't bring any of them across.
Bottom 1st: Alou and A-Ram consecutive strikeouts with two men on.
Bottom 6th: Bases loaded, Gonzalez grounds out.
Lowest point of the season. Two games out. Can't muster a single run in support of Big Z.
And guess what happened the rest of the way...
Hold on, kiddies. The ride is just beginning.
In 2003, we were 1.5 games out on Sept. 20 and 2 up on Sept. 27.
We've got a ways to go.
And Dempster will be one of the ones who gets us there.
by lancaster99 on Sep 6, 2007 7:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Sorry, but...
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 8:43 PM CDT
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But they are playing better...
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 6, 2007 9:02 PM CDT
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Pack up the tums
We had a bad few games. Cardinals and Brewers had a good few games.
We all hit the road. We are 500 on the road they couldn't beat my nephews tball team on the road.
How's this for Dempster? If the Brewers are on the road they'd be better off with him.
I read some bozo on another site say the Cubs don't deserve to win the division and this is a Cubs fan.
Whoever wins the division will deserve to win it. And you can make a serious argument the Cubs deserve it the most as of now because they've dominated the season series against both teams.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 6, 2007 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs
What is our record against the Pirates
by mgfabc on Sep 6, 2007 7:29 PM CDT 0 recs
dumpster makes me want to PUKE!
by CubsBall2202 on Sep 6, 2007 7:33 PM CDT 0 recs
Serenity Now
Can't get nervous this time; I think I got half my gray hair from the '03 drive and what happened in games 6 & 7.
Ok boys, get your butts to the steel city and win tomorrow night. 1 game at a time. How's that for an old, tired cliche'?
by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2007 7:59 PM CDT 0 recs


