Japanese Ballpark Analysis
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Koshien Stadium in Japan, 2007; courtesy Wikipedia via the GNU Free Documentation License
Via MLBTR, I ran across this interesting article comparing all the parks in Japan, both to each other and to stadiums in MLB.
In general, the article says that Central League stadiums (the league in which Kosuke Fukudome played, although there are now interleague games in Japan as there are here) are smaller than Pacific League parks. However, Fukudome's home park, the Nagoya Dome, is relatively new (1997) and its dimensions are among the largest of the Japanese stadiums. Finally, Japanese stadiums, especially the newer ones, have (in general) taller outfield walls than US baseball stadiums.
There's a graphic with all the dimensions in this article, and a photo of Hanshin Koshien Stadium, the oldest and most revered of the Japanese parks (see this site for more; it's got ivy growing on the outside. Seems sort of like the Wrigley Field of Japan), taken during the annual Japanese high school baseball tournament (which the writer, a Canadian who lives in Japan and works as a translator, calls "culturally similar to March Madness"). I personally have been to both the Tokyo Dome and Seibu Dome. The former is similar to the Metrodome and Tropicana Field; the latter an outdoor park that was retrofitted with a roof (which doesn't completely enclose it, just keeps most of the wind and rain out). Both of them have dimensions not dissimilar to most modern major league ballparks.
Since we now have a regular poster here who actually lives in Japan -- maybe dragonsfanatic can take a look at this site and let us know his take on it, especially as it relates to how Fukudome might do in his first MLB season.
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Nagoya dome dimensions...
Power Alleys: 380 ft
CF: 400 ft
Wall: 15.7 ft
Those dimensions are somewhat similar to Wrigley (larger power alleys, shorter down the line. Wrigley is certainly not known for being a large park by MLB standards.
I did some quick research and found there were a few parks with very similar dimensions to the Nagoya Dome (~328 down the line, ~380 in the alleys, and ~400 in center). Those were the biggest parks in Japan. The other parks were generally around 300 feet down the line, 360 in the alleys and 380 in center, with walls ranging from 11 to 15 feet.
This would explain in part the decrease in HR by Japanese players in MLB.
Actually
Wrigley is very long down the lines (355,353), short in the power alleys (368) and fairly short to dead center. The 400 foot marker at Wrigley favors right center, and dead center is probably around 390 or so.
Balls hit to straight left or right, are relatively easy to hit out at Wrigley (area when the bump comes in to the power alleys). Beyond that, it all depends on the wind.
I said SOMEWHAT similar...
The deepest part of Wrigley is 400 feet (slightly to RC), roughly the same as Nagoya's deepest part (straightaway CF). Down the lines are much deeper in Wrigley than in Nagoya (355 versus 328). The power alleys are 12 feet more shallow at Wrigley.
All in all, it is what I would consider somewhat similar in depth. Wrigley is a lot more similar to Nagoya than most MLB parks in terms of depth, and Nagoya is a lot closer to Wrigley's dimensions than most of the Japanese parks. That was my point.
don't care about HR's
I won't care about HR's if Dome only becomes a good, solid consistent lefty hitter who can poke opposite field doubles and triples at the right time when the Cubs have RISP. That's the bread and butter need of the Cubs right now, and if the indications are correct, he's going to fill that need in a great way.
Even in the caverns of places like Coors and Minute Maid, Kosuke - after making his adjustments - should do well. Watching him gun someone down at first will be a rush.
Just wondering, but
That's well said.....
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
The ballpark we hate the most
I like to watch high school baseball much as I have posted 50,000+ Okinawan high school baseball photos on flickr, and their highest goal is winning national tournament in Koshien Stadium (good to find those kids are playing in the photo you posted). Yes, I respect the history, some leaves of ivy on outside wall (now all cut down for makeover of enlargement in this off-season), but we really hate it when with the guys in black yellow pinstripe... Recent years we've been winning over Tigers at Koshien, that made us feel so good.
Another ballpark we hate the most is Tokyo Dome - where the pitchers nightmare as the article writes. Not just it's smallness, but it is frequently rumored that the air conditioning wind blows maximum from infield to outfield when Tokyo Giants are hitting, and it's turned off when visitors are hitting... This kinda homerun is called "Domerun" (not Fukudome's homerun, but homerun at Tokyo Dome).
So rich Giants buys high priced long ball hitters from outside every year (just like their associate New York Yankees), and we Dragons grows the league's best pitching staff these years to play half of season at Nagoya Dome - the pitcher's park. Again it was so sweet when Dragons beat Giants badly 2 years in a row at Tokyo Dome - in 2006 to win CL and 2007 to win CL playoff.
Actually Nagoya Dome was carefully designed after complete research of Tokyo and Fukuoka Dome, from architecture to retail system, and talked with the ballclub then built a pitcher's park... we used to play at one of the worst hitter's park, too small Nagoya Stadium, so it's quite natural move for the change of Dragons under manager Hoshino and Ochiai.
Anyhow, I actually don't like artificial turf - but I know it's too hard to keep the season schedule against the long rainy season without the roof in current NPB system. Hope most of domes will introduce softer turf, or natural turf with retractable roof to avoid knee pain... Also, I don't think dirt diamond is non-pro-level ground as the article says. This is another part of Japanese baseball tradition, and it's artistically maintained. We used to have a couple of ballparks with natural turf infield, and most of them were replaced with artificial or dirt, only remaining at Kobe as far as I know. It's simply different.
Another thing is that I believe the decline of # of homeruns of Japanese hitter in MLB is NOT the matter of the size of ballpark, naively - it's the matter of styles of baseball they plays, especially Hideki Matsui's case. I don't even see that many his fly balls over there thoughout each years, which might become homerun in Japanese ballpark. It's the matter of difference and changes of baseball itself, pitchers, pitches, zones, pitching strategy and tactics, and finally how he adapt himself for them. With Tokyo Giants at batter's heaven Tokyo Dome, he hit monster homeruns with powerful and big swing, and Dragons manager Hiromitsu Ochiai, the 3-times triple crown guy, pointed out particular technical shortage of Matsui's swing (move of right elbow), and clearly predicted Matsui's homerun won't reach big numbers what Yankees expected for, before Matsui moved to US. Finally Matsui struggled to changed his swing much compacter, tried to hit more outside balls, to center to left, and produced a lot of grounders to second baseman.
Regarding Fukudome (I'll call him as such to avoid confusion of Dome and dome.... just in this article), he is originally not a HR king type of hitter - he is the lefty man of more doubles, better average, OBP, OPS and RISP average. His number for OPS and HR might decline especially in his first year with Cubs, but his strength and characteristics would fit to #3 or #5 spot better, I believe. Also, many of his typical homerun is a big hit like this, and doesn't matter the size of ballpark the article discuss - he is the mistake hitter until he's in the hall.
So - my initial impression on this is - the size of ballpark doesn't matter for Fukudome at all. He also has good experiences playing internationally, so his learning curve should better than other Japanese unaverage hitters, I hope.
Thanks for all this great info...
I would expect HR to decline in his first year in MLB, but not SLG, as he appears to be more a line-drive hitter, as you have pointed out before. Especially in Wrigley Field, which is well-suited for a gap hitter (which Dome appears to be), he could easily hit 40 doubles in 2008.
There actually is a smidge of...
These are old, one-year park factors, and so I'd take them with a grain of salt. (Those 2000 park factors for the Yomuri Giants are particularly suspect.)
Koshien Stadium looks like....
It's just different
Anyway, all Japanese infielders used to play on durt for long time since kids, maybe first time on artificial turf at high schoold prefectural tournament finals (at CL/PL ballpark) or college in their experience.
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
This may be...
Right
He needed 4 years to be one of the best second baseman in majors from one of the best shortstop in NPB.
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Looks kinda, somewhat like..
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jan 13, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Excuse me, but I
I have been there during the National tournament and posted this exact phrase. I know you don't read all of our posts, but...
On another topic:
Sunday New York Times article,: "Cubs Take a Patient Path. Like 100 Years Patient." Worth a read...
by TheEman on Jan 13, 2008 10:49 AM CST reply actions
NY Times article...
I, for one, would rather not hear another word about the "100 years". This year's another chance, and I think the Cubs have as good a chance as any of the other contenders to win this year.
On The 100 Years Thing.....
True enough.
Explaination...
Didn't get it from a "Canadian writer", either.
by TheEman on Jan 13, 2008 10:51 AM CST reply actions
I believe you.
The comment to which you refer...
Koshien tournament and March Madness
Just winning prefectural tournament to make Koshien to be one of 47 attendees is like this... and the losers are like this..., the scene is same everywhere...
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Its all Good Al!
Dragonafanatic - One thing I do not recall - is there GAMBLING on the High School National Tournament? Is it prominent? Another interesting thing is Cheerleaders! Are the rivalries really intense?
Thanks!
by TheEman on Jan 13, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
My pleasure...
Cheerleaders doesn't look very different...
As we have 47 schools to compete from 47 prefectures, no very particular rivary at Koshien (the result of Koshien tournament makes personal rivary in NPB), but there are so many rivaries reside in each prefecture... in Okinawa, we currently have 2 early-round-pick-candidate pitchers, and their final meeting will be upcoming June-July... this is going to be so hot.
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
With 47 teams...
That makes sense now.
Koshien
The Great final - Summer 2007 Koshien
You can watch whole bot 8th here.
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
2007 final
Man what a moment
Great picture
You're right!
I'd love to go back to Japan and see more of the country, not just baseball, but also take in some Japanese games. Someday...
And I have to tell...
What a sinister place when Tigers are playing there! X-P
Good call
I have never been to Japan. I wish I would have went like you did when the Cubs played the Mets over there. That had to be a blast. I would love to travel through Japan one day. It looks to me like Koshien Stadium would be a 'must see' on any trip to Japan.
It was a blast.
Hey
Or you can come down to tropic and exotic Okinawa islands...
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at the map...
Sadly, I didn't see any professional baseball games, although I did see some intramural matches - we'd call them "beer leagues," I guess.
Chatan, Okinawa
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
One of these years...
I quickly read thru....
So you've finished your first tourist steps of Japan, next you should go deep and outside Tokyo, beyond Hakone... I've sometimes joined with my American friends for trips, as I know good the non-touristic, real Japanese hospitality stuffs, but they are so good (as my friends said)...
Tokyo is the super-duper monster city, but you should know most of it are made of stuffs came from outside of Tokyo.
by dragonsfanatic on Jan 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'll be sure to let you know...
Me Too!
There were 244 yen to the $dollar!!
"What a deal!"
by TheEman on Jan 13, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Feed enough beer to the trixies in RF
Domes....
I don't care about Kosuke-san being able to hit HR's. Just provide an OBP > .380 and let everything else (offensively) fall into place.

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