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The lifestyle factor

Like the fabled House of the Rising Sun, Rush Street has been known to be the "ruin of many a poor boy," including a number of past members of the Chicago Cubs who found that partying until the wee hours wasn't conducive to playing day baseball.  In recent years, however, it seems like that hasn't been the issue it was in the seventies and eighties so I've been wondering how much emphasis Cubs management places on a player's lifestyle when deciding whether to acquire him.  When they don't go after a player who, on the surface, would seem to be a great addition to the team, I wonder if it's simply because they know he has trouble getting up before noon.  It's not  necessarily a character issue, because someone who likes to party can still be a great person and teammate, but there are definitely practical considerations unique to the Cubs.  Does anyone have any info on this?  

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Two words.
Kyle Farnsworth.

Two more words:

Todd Hundley.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

Farnsworth
I don't know anything about his personal life, but he did manage to have a couple of very good years with the Cubs. He just seems like a total knucklehead who got himself into trouble because he threw too many hanging sliders when he should have been blowing people away with his 100 mph heater. He also seemed to have a real problem when he had to enter a game with runners on base. I'm not sure that can be blamed on lifestyle.

I'm thinking more in terms of how much of a factor lifestyle is when the Cubs are evaluating free agents and trade prospects. If I were GM, it would be a vital consideration, and I think I'd always take the lesser player who will show up on time and clear headed over a star who's going to be hung over for a lot of games.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jan 21, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

re: two more words-
Huh? Cedeno parties a lot? Really? This is the first I'm hearing of this -- I thought he was married with a kid or two.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Jan 22, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

re: Not married
Ahhh, so he is a party animal! Go Ronnie! Go Ronnie! It's ya birthday!
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Farnsworth
I don't live in Chicago anymore but my aunt still does and she told me that Farnsworth got caught having sex on the pitchers mound at Wrigley.  Anybody know if that's true?  I never believed her but thought I'd ask.
"You rub snot on the ball?" Ricky Vaughn

by McRipper on Jan 22, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I heard that rumor.
I have never heard anyone corroborate it, though.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 22, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Well
The tricky part would be finding the woman who will actually admit to sleeping with his ugly mug.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jan 22, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Who said...
it was a woman?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 22, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO!
Dude, Farnsy is sooooo gonna kick your ass!
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Jan 22, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting
I'm glad to hear that somebody else has at least heard the rumor.  I guess my aunt wasn't lying.  Thanks.
"You rub snot on the ball?" Ricky Vaughn

by McRipper on Jan 22, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet...
...Mark Grace seemed to do all right.  Of course maybe that's because he didn't waste time with a commute down to Rush Street - he just walked across the street to Hi-Tops.

Randy Myers used to ride his 3-wheeled bicycle to/from the park.  It was a hoot to see him ride that granny-trike down Waveland and then park it over at Murphy's.  Not sure what he was like on his other teams/cities, but seemed like he could handle it okay here.

That being said, it's my guess - and strictly a guess - that sure they take lifestyle into consideration when looking at players but not necessarily because of being in Chicago and all the day games.  I'd think they do it just as a matter of it being a sound business practice.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

A little something that might get a chuckle...
I live in Dubuque, IA, and for those who don't know where that is, it is the furthest East city in Iowa; right on the other side of the Mighty Mississip from Illinois. Iowa, I'd assume like most states have Semi-Pro town ball teams. With town ball teams in Iowa you play about 50 league games and around 10 tournaments. The tournaments being the only thing that pays money; so people always "stock-up" for them Well, in our league here in Iowa a small town (Worthington pop. approx. 390) had a family connection to Mitch Wiliams. So during the Worthington tournament around 2000 they actually (this is so true) hired Mitch Williams to pitch. His fee?  Two cases of beer, and $500. The stadium was full as a tick waiting to see him. He emerged from his RV that he took to the park and seriously hobbled liquored up to the mound and threw 6 innings of shutout ball. I was still in high-school back then and I know some people who were there. I will try and dig up some photos of the masterpiece.
That rug really tied the room together.

by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

Geographical correction
further most city in northeast Iowa.
That rug really tied the room together.

by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry....
New Albin takes the cake as the most NE town in Iowa.  But if you were referring to an actual 'city' Dubuque may have it.  I don't know if Decorah is considered a city?

I used to live near Decorah when I was young (live in Nebraska now) and my Godparents live across the street from Wahlert HS in Dubuque, so I'm very familiar w/ the area.

BELIEVE!

by cubbie08 on Jan 21, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it really
depends on what you call a city. You're Grandparents live there? Ha ha, thats funny. I live literately 2 blocks from Wahlert HS. Thats insane.
That rug really tied the room together.

by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You bet
Even Chicago was a town (1833) before it was a city (1837).
Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 22, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Since this is also
has a bit to do with the diary; did anyone see Jason Kendall's quotes in SI's pop culture section?

Favorite thing to eat: "Kodiak" (chew)
Favorite thing to get at a restaurant: Beer (I think he specified)
Finish this song: ..."get me a beer"

That rug really tied the room together.

by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

Well
I would say Kruk would be another example of someone who failed to get a lifestyle clause.

I am friends with a minor league player. We hunt together and hang out when he is home for the winter. He has a decent chance of making it, if he works hard and continues at it. He is a 6'3" left-handed, hard throwing pitcher.

When he comes home, he won't even drink beer unless he is around people he is comfortable with. They hang out and party on the road sometimes, but he isn't one of them. (His fiancee travels a lot with him) He says he can almost always tell which guys are taking it too far, and which ones it may become a problem for if they were called up and became a major league player with a lot of money to kick around with. They do get talked to about it from coaches and other people, and they are always watching to make sure players are representing the organization well.

Now, how that factors in when a club is ready to evaluate personnel, I can only speculate. You see how quickly the Cubs dealt with Eric Patterson and his proclivity to show up late for team workouts.

I would imagine that there is some degree of understanding of what you do in your personal life, as long as you represent the club and yourself well. I think society has a lot of it changing too, as almost everyone has camera phones and instant access to the web. You do something stupid in a bar one night and it is on YouTube five minutes later.

I hung out with another Floridian recently at a Jimmy Buffett concert. Bronson Arroyo and his HS basketball coach came to the concert with us, as I had 2 extra tickets, and tailgated with us all afternoon. Surprisingly, Bronson didn't have a single drink, and we asked a dozen times if he wanted one. If there is any place I would have not been able to not drink, a Buffett concert would have been it. I respected that he had that kind of control. I remember camera phones got him into some hot water once or twice in his career too.

I wouldn't imagine an MLB team would step in unless it reflected poorly on the club and/or was borderline legal issues. Behind closed doors, however, I would think a players penchant for rabble-rousing late night in bars would certainly come up.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent post!
Thanks for this unique perspective on this topic.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 22, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

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