The lifestyle factor
Like the fabled House of the Rising Sun, Rush Street has been known to be the "ruin of many a poor boy," including a number of past members of the Chicago Cubs who found that partying until the wee hours wasn't conducive to playing day baseball. In recent years, however, it seems like that hasn't been the issue it was in the seventies and eighties so I've been wondering how much emphasis Cubs management places on a player's lifestyle when deciding whether to acquire him. When they don't go after a player who, on the surface, would seem to be a great addition to the team, I wonder if it's simply because they know he has trouble getting up before noon. It's not necessarily a character issue, because someone who likes to party can still be a great person and teammate, but there are definitely practical considerations unique to the Cubs. Does anyone have any info on this?
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Two words.
Two more words:
Todd Hundley.
by Al on Jan 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Farnsworth
I'm thinking more in terms of how much of a factor lifestyle is when the Cubs are evaluating free agents and trade prospects. If I were GM, it would be a vital consideration, and I think I'd always take the lesser player who will show up on time and clear headed over a star who's going to be hung over for a lot of games.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jan 21, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: two more words-
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 22, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Not married
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Farnsworth
by McRipper on Jan 22, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that rumor.
by Al on Jan 22, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by Cribbs463 on Jan 22, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said...
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 22, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 22, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
by McRipper on Jan 22, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet...
Randy Myers used to ride his 3-wheeled bicycle to/from the park. It was a hoot to see him ride that granny-trike down Waveland and then park it over at Murphy's. Not sure what he was like on his other teams/cities, but seemed like he could handle it okay here.
That being said, it's my guess - and strictly a guess - that sure they take lifestyle into consideration when looking at players but not necessarily because of being in Chicago and all the day games. I'd think they do it just as a matter of it being a sound business practice.
by ballhawk on Jan 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A little something that might get a chuckle...
by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Geographical correction
by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry....
I used to live near Decorah when I was young (live in Nebraska now) and my Godparents live across the street from Wahlert HS in Dubuque, so I'm very familiar w/ the area.
by cubbie08 on Jan 21, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it really
by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You bet
by blackhawk24 on Jan 22, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is also
Favorite thing to eat: "Kodiak" (chew)
Favorite thing to get at a restaurant: Beer (I think he specified)
Finish this song: ..."get me a beer"
by TCobb1911 on Jan 21, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
I am friends with a minor league player. We hunt together and hang out when he is home for the winter. He has a decent chance of making it, if he works hard and continues at it. He is a 6'3" left-handed, hard throwing pitcher.
When he comes home, he won't even drink beer unless he is around people he is comfortable with. They hang out and party on the road sometimes, but he isn't one of them. (His fiancee travels a lot with him) He says he can almost always tell which guys are taking it too far, and which ones it may become a problem for if they were called up and became a major league player with a lot of money to kick around with. They do get talked to about it from coaches and other people, and they are always watching to make sure players are representing the organization well.
Now, how that factors in when a club is ready to evaluate personnel, I can only speculate. You see how quickly the Cubs dealt with Eric Patterson and his proclivity to show up late for team workouts.
I would imagine that there is some degree of understanding of what you do in your personal life, as long as you represent the club and yourself well. I think society has a lot of it changing too, as almost everyone has camera phones and instant access to the web. You do something stupid in a bar one night and it is on YouTube five minutes later.
I hung out with another Floridian recently at a Jimmy Buffett concert. Bronson Arroyo and his HS basketball coach came to the concert with us, as I had 2 extra tickets, and tailgated with us all afternoon. Surprisingly, Bronson didn't have a single drink, and we asked a dozen times if he wanted one. If there is any place I would have not been able to not drink, a Buffett concert would have been it. I respected that he had that kind of control. I remember camera phones got him into some hot water once or twice in his career too.
I wouldn't imagine an MLB team would step in unless it reflected poorly on the club and/or was borderline legal issues. Behind closed doors, however, I would think a players penchant for rabble-rousing late night in bars would certainly come up.
by Cribbs463 on Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post!
by Al on Jan 22, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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