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The Top 20 Cub HR Of All Time - #20 Lou Brock 6/17/1962

Here's the only clue I'll give you to the contents of the rest of this list: this home run, hit by Lou Brock at the Polo Grounds in New York on June 17, 1962, is the only one of the 20 hit by a Cub on the road.

In a small way, this home run might have been what eventually wound up making the Cubs give up on Brock and trading him to the Cardinals.

Brock, who had a decent rookie year in 1962 after a September callup in 1961 (he hit .263/.319/.412), in between George Altman in right, and Billy Williams (the NL Rookie of the Year in 1961) in left. Both Altman and Williams were, of course, power hitters, and the team had two other power hitters in Ernie Banks and Ron Santo.

Also remember that the 1962 team had virtually no direction -- it was the second year of the ridiculous College of Coaches scheme, and El Tappe, Lou Klein and Charlie Metro rotated in and out of "leading" this ballclub, and I put "leading" in quotes because the '62 Cubs lost 103 games -- a club record and the first time they had ever lost 100 games in a season -- and finished behind expansion Houston, in 9th place.

Meanwhile, these coaches were, apparently, trying to mold Brock into a power hitter in the Williams/Altman mode -- after all, he hit lefthanded and was African-American, right?

I know that sounds ridiculous today, but in the less-enlightened days of the early 1960's, some baseball men may have thought that way.

Anyway, Brock came into that June 17, 1962 game in New York against the Mets hitting a decent .263/.320/.452, with 6 HR and 18 RBI. He had 15 doubles and 8 stolen bases in 59 games, a pace which would have given him 40 doubles and about 22 SB over a full season. Perspective: the previous year, Richie Ashburn had led the Cubs in SB. With seven. The Cubs hadn't yet joined the rest of baseball, which was beginning to rediscover the SB after decades of decline.

The Polo Grounds in New York, having lain fallow for four years after the departure of the Giants for California, was reopened in 1962 as the home of the Mets. Its odd horseshoe shape was better suited for football games.

Immediately, it began to host record events. Jimmy Breslin, in his book about the early years of the Mets, "The Amazing Mets", wrote:

They lost innumerable games by one run, the sign of a bad team. They lost innumerable games by ten runs, the sign of a terrible team. They lost at home, they lost on the road. They lost by day, they lost by night. They lost in ways that stagger the imagination.

On June 17, 1962, in the first inning of the first game of a doubleheader, Brock, after two walks and a Ron Santo triple, smacked an Al Jackson pitch into the right-center field bleachers, his seventh of the season. In nearly fifty years of baseball games in New York, no one had ever reached that area (Joe Adcock, playing for the Milwaukee Braves, had hit one to the left-center field bleachers on April 29, 1953).

Nothing's ever been documented about this before, but it's my feeling that Cubs coaches, seeing this tremendous blast by Brock, began to try even harder to mold him into a power hitter, something he was ill-suited to be. He hit only two home runs the rest of 1962 -- probably trying too hard -- only nine in 1963 (with an increased strikeout total), and two in 52 games in 1964 before the ill-fated trade to St. Louis on June 15.

So Brock's memorable blast might have hastened his departure from the Cubs. If only they had been more in tune with modern baseball, which was beginning to emphasize speed over power in the 1960's.

Finally, in a weird confluence of events that you only seem to see in baseball, the very next day after Brock's HR -- Monday, June 18, 1962 -- Henry Aaron hit a HR to almost the same spot in the CF bleachers at the Polo Grounds, off the Mets' Jay Hook. Those were the only two times that feat was accomplished.

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Brock
I remember his last AB in 1964, on a Sunday against the Pirates, (I think). He homered into the left field bleachers. Next day he was gone. Some things don't seem to change. Trying to make Brock a power hitter, (sounds like Corey, Pie, etc.) instead of trying to utilize his speed, was another in a long line of poor development by Cubs coaches. Maybe Lou & Trammell can change this sad history!  
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Jan 23, 2008 9:17 AM CST   0 recs

I may be wrong
but in regards to Corey Patterson, I think the Cubs wanted him to be a contact hitter and use his speed, occasionally hitting HR's. Corey wanted to be a power hitter. Remember the size of his bat? For someone that was as fast as he was, he never bunted that often.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jan 23, 2008 12:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brock always struck out a lot.
Almost a hundred times in about 430 ABs his rookie year.  Lifetime he struck out more than  Mantle.  He had over 400 more strike outs than Babe Ruth!

by TR on Jan 23, 2008 9:26 AM CST   0 recs

Don't mean to be picky but....
Is it June or July 17th?

You wrote "Anyway, Brock came into that July 17, 1962 game in New York against the Mets hitting a decent .263/.320/.452, with 6 HR and 18 RBI."

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jan 23, 2008 9:38 AM CST   0 recs

Pick away.
It's June. Thanks for finding that. I'll fix it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Lou Brock/Ken Hubbs memories
I only saw Brock play in Cubbie blue once in person. It was September 2nd, 1962 against the Houston Colt .45's. We went to that particular game specifically to see Ken Hubbs break a fielding record-i believe it was either consecutive errorless games or chances. My dad was willing to try to get us seats almost anywhere, but I wanted to sit in the upper deck behind home plate to get a shot at a foul ball; he obliged. I can recall hollering my fool head off for 10 minutes straight trying to get George Altman's atention as he was being interviewed by Lloyd Pettit for the leadoff man show (i assume). I remember really noticing how the Cub 3rd baseman really played well at the plate and afield and I remember Houston's Al Spangler and Brock running the bases with great abandon...wish I could thank my old man for caving in and getting the seats i wanted instead of some that made sense.

Is there a single one among us who can't remember that first time coming through the entry way and seeing the grass and ivy for the first time? I'd guess not.

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on Jan 23, 2008 11:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Spangler
running the bases with total abandonment? I admit my memories do not go much before'67, but I only recall Al being a rather rotund man with not much speed. Well, I guess you don't need speed to run the bases with total abandonment.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jan 23, 2008 3:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Al Spangler...
... in his Cub days, after 1967, was indeed a slow-footed OF more suited to pinch-hitting. He was never a speedster, but had two pretty good years for Houston in 1962 and 1963, having a .389 OBA for them in '62 and hitting five triples that year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 3:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You've gotta be kidding, Al!
A Santo TRIPLE?  

Something about this image makes me laugh.

An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Jan 23, 2008 9:51 AM CST   0 recs

Santo and Triples
Our Ronnie led the league in triples with 13 in 1964 - tied with Dick Allen.

Ron ended up with 67 triples.

Football and basketball are just things to do between baseball seasons.

by MetsSuck on Jan 23, 2008 10:36 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Check the record
67 lifetime triples and 13 in 1964.  He wasn't as slow as you might think.  

by rlpete on Jan 23, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was just joking...
I have this vision in my head of him huffing and puffing into third.  I'm only 30, and I don't have the privilege of having seen him play.  From what I've heard and read, he was the Mike Schmidt of his day.  He seems to have forever changed the position of 3B.  

On a side note, I hope we can get the wheels rolling on a campaign for Santo's admission to the Hall of Fame in 2009.  Does anyone have the list of the Veterans Committee?  Perhaps we could start to lobby them now.  

Any thoughts from the BCB community?

(excellent memories of Brock btw Al)

An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Jan 23, 2008 10:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Santo and the Hall of Fame
I hate to be overly cynical, but there's no amount of grass-roots lobbying that is going to get Santo into the Hall of Fame.

Ron Santo has been the #1 issue facing the Vets committee for years and years - everyone on the committee seems to have their minds made up COUGH*joemorgan*COUGH and no amount of "statistics" or "facts" that the Factonistas can bring to their attention will change their minds.

Bill James wrote a book about the Hall of Fame over a decade ago that calls Santo's omission the #1 greatest mistake that the Hall has ever made.

If Bill James Himself can't get these idiots to vote Ronny in... it's somewhat grim, but the only hope is that the old fuddy-duddy types who are voting against him die off so that Santo can be elected while he can still enjoy it.

Either that, or we have to hope that the newly elected HOFers were Santo fans.

But the point of this post is that the Vets Committee is very, very aware of Santo's candidacy. There have been books about it, thousands of columns, even a movie. Heck, after Santo just missed last time, the commissioner of baseball commented on the need for vets committee reform.

by ClosingTime on Jan 23, 2008 11:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Very sad...
... I just worry about his health and if he's around long enough to enjoy it.  He more Cub than anyone I can think of.
An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Jan 23, 2008 1:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Topping that
Triple, was a double or just short of a double. A wet soakend infield at Wrigley back in the late '60's was the scene of what I recall about the funniest episode of Santo's base running.

Santo was heading for second base and if memory serves me right, he approach the bag with a head first slide. As soon as he hit the dirt(mud)about three feet short of second, his body just stuck. He looked like a turtle on his back. It was just such a funny play. I still chuckle thinking about it.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jan 23, 2008 11:23 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Santo hit quite a few triples actually
He led the NL in 1964 with 13 (tied with Dick Allen).
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on Jan 23, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe I should do a little research?
Looks like the caveman from the Geico commercial had some good advice for me since several other posters had beaten me to the Santo triples punch with their posts--but here's another fact from Bill James on old #10.

"If Bill James' metric is to be believed, at his peak Santo was simply the top player in the National League. In 1967, he led the NL in Win Shares with 38. (Not that anyone knew it at the time.) He had four more Win Shares than Cardinals first baseman Orlando Cepeda, the unanimous NL Most Valuable Player. In Santo's prime years, 1964 to 1967, he exceeded 30 Win Shares each season. During the 1960s, he was one of only three major leaguers to reach 30 or more Win Shares in four consecutive years. The other two were Hank Aaron and Willie Mays." ESPN.com March--2005

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on Jan 23, 2008 11:33 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yet another reason...
... he should be in the HoF. One of the questions that James always asks about a player to determine his Hall qualifications is, "Was he the best player in baseball at any time during his career?"

The answer for Santo is, yes, he probably was, and for more than one year.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 11:37 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Best at his position
is the first qualification I look at.  If he was one of the top players at his position for a good part of his career, the other things like longevity and career numbers become secondary.  That's why Santo should be a shoo-in.  For a good period of time, he was the best (or one of the best) 3rd basemen in the league.    

by rlpete on Jan 23, 2008 4:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

great photo!
That is one of the best pictures of the Polo Grounds I have ever seen. Is that added color? It's so crisp for an early color photo.

by dizzle on Jan 23, 2008 11:49 AM CST   0 recs

I honestly don't know.
I googled that photo. Judging by the buildings on the left, that photo probably dates from the 1940's. I have no idea if it's added color, although it doesn't seem so. Check the original URL -- you may find out more there.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 12:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Old photos
A lot of old color photos were shot on very slow Kodachrome - usually ISO 25 or thereabouts - maybe one of the few emulsions that combined great color saturation and resistance to fading.  (Resistance, not immunity...)

I suspect that shot was medium or large format, and maybe shot with a polarizer, which increases color saturation again.

Another trick with reversal film is to underexpose by about 1/2 stop for richer blacks and snappier colors.  And an absolute must when shooting reversal was to bracket - usually in 1/2-stop increments, and depending on the available resources, maybe to a range of plus or minus two stops.

by MN exile on Jan 23, 2008 12:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Just a sidelight...
...the Cubs have named their minor-league coordinators.

The only new face is Mark Riggins, who is taking over as the pitching coordinator. He previously performed those duties for the St. Louis Cardinals. Lester Strode, the previous pitching coordinator, is the new bullpen coach. No idea who Strode is replacing.

I would suggest you learn to truly interrupt all stats before using any selective stats. -- cubswin

by cwyers on Jan 23, 2008 12:05 PM CST   0 recs

Lester Strode...
... was the bullpen coach last year, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 12:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hmm
Also some guy named Bialas or something is apparently part of the organization. Not sure I've ever heard of him.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 23, 2008 12:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not diary worthy
But yesterday the Dodgers announced that Don Mattingly would not be their hitting coach, instead taking a smaller role so he could spend more time with his family. While I certainly appreciate that Mattingly has put his family first, what would he have done had he been given the Yankees managerial job?

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 23, 2008 12:37 PM CST   0 recs

My guess is...
... that this must be a situation which requires him to be in close physical proximity to his family. Obviously, as Yankee manager he'd have been in NYC half the summer, and thus be able to stay close to them.

As a Dodgers coach, clearly that's not possible. I don't think there's anything more at work here than that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 12:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yay, buried lede!
From the Muskat: "The Cubs do have other candidates to patrol center if Pie should falter. Sam Fuld proved he's not afraid of Wrigley's brick wall in a couple games last season in right field for the Cubs. Ronny Cedeno and Eric Patterson will also get long looks in center as this spring."

E-Patt as an option in center? Well, that's news to me. Certainly not something I'd slip in the last paragraph of an article.

(lemon20pie arriving to restate my ignorance in 3.... 2... 1...)

I would suggest you learn to truly interrupt all stats before using any selective stats. -- cubswin

by cwyers on Jan 23, 2008 1:22 PM CST   0 recs

No, me first.
Remember? Patterson was moved to the OF because he sucked at 2B? I think Carrie's a little over the top by saying he'll get a "long look", but unless Patterson is traded, he'll be a contender for a backup spot.

I think E-Patt's days as an infielder are over.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 2:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's the "long look" part...
...that I considered news.

E-Patt's best value to the team right now (if he can't be traded) is as a bench player, in my mind. Even if he can't play second well, he can't be THAT much worse than Mike Fontenot that it makes a major difference over the course of a season as a fill-in for when DeRosa goes roving over to third base. And in the interim he can back up the outfield spots as well, which is something Fontenot can't do.

I would suggest you learn to truly interrupt all stats before using any selective stats. -- cubswin

by cwyers on Jan 23, 2008 2:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The "long look" part...
... consider the source, and I think you'll be less worried.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 23, 2008 3:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm hardly worried.
I think it's a good thing that the club is looking at internal options as a fallback plan to the Pie experiment - much better than trying to wring one more useful year out of the remainder of Kenny Lofton. And I'm fairly confident that Lou and Hendry will be able to handle figuring out which of them to name the starter.

It just frustrates me so much that Muskat doesn't seem to understand what "news" is. She has the sort of access that, quite frankly, fills me with envy - and she wastes it. Oh, the club might give E-Patt a chance at the center fielder's job next season? That's certainly a heck of a lot more interesting than "Hey, the Cubs have two new outfielders!"

Uh, yeah, we figured that out about a month ago, thanks, Carrie.

I just get so annoyed at being fed table scraps of information at the tail end of puff pieces. Almost any time she passes along useful, interesting information it's by accident.

I would suggest you learn to truly interrupt all stats before using any selective stats. -- cubswin

by cwyers on Jan 23, 2008 3:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I love looking at the box scores of old games
sometimes they give  a glimpse on how the game has changed.

the thing that sticks out in this one (other the fact  these teams were already collectively 46 games below .500 on June 17) is  Mets starter Al Jackson gave up 8 hits, 8 runs (4 earned), struck out 7 and walked 5.  I wonder how many pitches he threw?  You would think with the high K and BB numbers it must have near 130.  Of course who knows if they even kept track of that back then.  Oh, and it was 90 degrees and sunny with no wind...just not something you see anymore.  

Of course Dusty is liable to pull it with Homer Bailey on a August day in St. Louis sometime this year    

by DC Cubbie on Jan 23, 2008 8:41 PM CST   0 recs

All Right, I'll Bite...
... the Reds play St. Louis in August all right... but it's in Cincinnati, not in St. Louis.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=cin&m=8&y=2008

:-P

by initram on Jan 23, 2008 10:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They'll have to make up a rain date.
n/t
I would suggest you learn to truly interrupt all stats before using any selective stats. -- cubswin

by cwyers on Jan 23, 2008 11:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It gets just as hot...
... in Cincinnati in the summer as it does in St. Louis.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 24, 2008 10:15 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

62 Mets v 62 Cubs
My recollection is that the Mets finished .500 in head-to-head games v. the Cubs that year (9-9). The Cubs were the only team that the Mets played .500 against.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Jan 24, 2008 9:55 AM CST   0 recs

Correct.
And further, the Cubs had a losing record against everyone else, including expansion Houston (7-11).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 24, 2008 10:16 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

UGH
glad I was not born until 1973.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Jan 24, 2008 10:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

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