Do Not Read This Diary
You were warned.
The Baltimore Sun is still talking about a Gallagher/Outfielder for Roberts trade.
We're the "most likely landing spot" for Roberts. It seems like MacPhail would like to get a deal done before spring training if a deal gets done at all.
Side note: oh for the love of God just make it stop. Thank you.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
0 recs |
133 comments
Comments
Okay I read it
Unfortunately it will never end unless he's traded to someone whether it be us or some other team.
It's not like a free agent where the talk ends when he signs somewhere else.
As long as he's an Oriole it will continue.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 24, 2008 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Read this article yesterday
If all the Orioles wanted in return for Roberts was Colvin and Gallagher, Roberts would've been at the Cub convention donning a Cubbie hat and rightfully so. I imagine the Orioles want another pitching prospect.
I agree though that this whole thing is way old. Having said that, I believe Roberts will be a Cub onOpening Day.
by lemon20pie on Jan 24, 2008 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If I was a betting man
I realize there is dissagreement over how much of an upgrade he would be over DeRosa, but in my mind, he brings a dimension that was sorely missing the the 07 club.
To get him, I have no problem giving up talent that is not major league proven.
by MPH73 on Jan 24, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts...
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
Why don't they include some other minor leaguers and try to get both him a Bedard?
by Kinky Reggae on Jan 24, 2008 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, good point
They can keep Bedard.
by lemon20pie on Jan 24, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel
This can't be easy.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 24, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
re: I feel
Huh?
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what shes getting at...
They get 4-5 months off a year get paid a ton, I dont feel for them and their names in trade rumors.
by Hammer on Jan 24, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah WTF???
by Kinky Reggae on Jan 24, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Yeah WTF???
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I half agree with you
However, I do feel for whichever Cubbies are dealt if this trade happens - going to a Mcphail-led organization, run by a meddlesome owner, and faced with almost no chance for post-season play for as long as they stay there. It's situations like this that I think the major league minimum was designed for.
by ballhawk on Jan 24, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it.
I don't know if that's funny, sad or both.
by cwyers on Jan 24, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem
by pageian on Jan 24, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hendrys digging his own grave
this is all ridiculous, please just concentrate on spring training, i really dont understand how if these guys want a deal done, its not done. just let it go. i have never seen so much back and forth from the media for such a long time for a player with a .760 career OPS.
by kylejo on Jan 24, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Considering new owners
by MPH73 on Jan 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and since the sale has dragged on and on
I mean the sale went from end of the '07 calendar year to just before the '08 season to the end of the '08 season.
There's still 2 buyers yet that have to see the books; 3 already have as I understoond.
This could drag out until late '08 then it'd be almost too late to change GM's with what the GM meetings and winter meetings each being held within 50 days of the end of the WS.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendrys contract
He might up and leave on his own if things are in flux.
Let's hope we're all clamoring for him to stay at the end of 08 because that can only mean the Cubs have gone places.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 24, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Andy
All in all, new owners would eat that in a minute if they were set on bringing in their own people, which is why I think he needs a deep run in the playoffs to make that a difficult call.
by MPH73 on Jan 24, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you know that
Nice :)
by jjmarie30 on Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I honestly spent 30 minutes arguing with myself...
All of this would be a lot easier if at some point I could figure out how to shut my mouth - then I wouldn't sit there figuring I had to share the information with someone.
by cwyers on Jan 24, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
30 minutes? Wow
Like the article mentions, the slow market this winter allows McPhail to take his time.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't really worried about the diary police...
by cwyers on Jan 24, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe burying something in the bottom...
by ballhawk on Jan 24, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: I believe burying something in the bottom...
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AAAURGHHH!! MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!
That said, on to other things. How many pitchers are they going into spring training with and how many do you think will be on the 25 man roster? 11 or 12? I'd think there'll be at least one trade in the next three weeks as it does look like we're top heavy with hurlers and could use another LH bat.
by Jettero2112 on Jan 24, 2008 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Including NRI's
My guess is they'll carry 12 into the opener unless significant move(s) are made before then.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's some idea...
by cwyers on Jan 24, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and more teams are said to be interested
So other than the O's there maybe other players for Marquis.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also brought up Murton to
by Jettero2112 on Jan 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heath Bell...
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 24, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greene at SS, Roberts at second ans
by Jettero2112 on Jan 24, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Want v. Get
What we would likely could get would be a lot less...
by frustratedfan on Jan 24, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and I want C-notes
The statement was want for Murton. So I guess the odds-on favorite response would be Greene...?
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a full house...
Anyone?
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball, beer and babes....
by Jettero2112 on Jan 24, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Baseball, beer and babes....
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Passionate Kisses
Performed by: Mary Chapin Carpenter
by Jettero2112 on Jan 24, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DING-DING-DING
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Passionate Kisses
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Al on Jan 24, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let my daughter hear about the pony
by Jettero2112 on Jan 24, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: LOL
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had a pony
Ooops, sorry wrong artist.
by rlpete on Jan 24, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about ponies
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 24, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Lou's podcast a few weeks back
by JohnM on Jan 25, 2008 4:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can the pony hit lefthanded?
by Al on Jan 25, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Both McPhail and Hendry should know by now what each other is wanting. Are they just waiting for one other to give in? Either way this is getting ridiculous.
by nmrudge on Jan 24, 2008 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else starting to feel like...
Just doesn't seem right to me that this trade has been hovering over us for the last 4-6 weeks.
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jan 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
re: Anyone else starting to feel like...
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you believe
by Hammer on Jan 24, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Can you believe
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 24, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
by Chanman25 on Jan 24, 2008 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They'd probably take a pass on that one
Just like the Twinkies with Santana, the O's are still looking for someone to overpay.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watch the Wire...
by Chadnudj on Jan 24, 2008 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's all in the game, yo...
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jan 24, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is...
"Is expected"? By whom? There's no attribution here, and the preceding paragraphs basically lay out the same old "MacPhail taking his time" scenario.
I agree with cwyers. For the love of God, make this go away.
by Al on Jan 24, 2008 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
here's an article from AZcntral.com
by lemon20pie on Jan 24, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are all keeping it alive
My question is why -- if indeed he hasn't -- Hendry doesn't put all his focus into landing Bedard. The Cubs will likely be sunk in 2008 if they lose a front-end starter. Granted, most teams would, but adding a solid No. 2 would make the Cubs the clear NL favs.
My guess is that Hendry does not want three lefties in the starting rotation and does not want to give up Hill. This logic also makes me think he'd much rather deal Marshall than Gallagher.
When all is said and done, enough already indeed on Roberts. Hendry should be focused on a No. 2 starter and a shortstop.
by cubz1963 on Jan 24, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone
I don't get it. The list of needs according to the article is long for the Orioles. If the motivation is to rebuild, why not build around a couple of guys like these two.
Many of you on this site I really admire with the knowledge some of you have. So if anyone has time or an inclination, please explain to me.
by wild bill on Jan 24, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think
by Chanman25 on Jan 24, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
by wild bill on Jan 24, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
basically they have trade value for an overhaul
And yet they are complimentary players, Bedard is a good middle of the rotation pitcher on a true contender, let us say another Lilly. Roberts is a solid lead off hitter who could finish off a regular order, like Pods did with the Sox. But what is the price.
Cubs think they could and should win now so having them for two years would be quite beneficial but at what cost.
It appears to me that the CF the O's want is Pie, and the pitcher they want is Gallagher with compliments of Murton and possibly Marshall or someone else. Cubs have to decide whether it is Pie for the next four or five years or Colvin or Eric Patterson for that matter? This is where good decisions come into play. Pie has a big upside, power, speed, defense, batting and an arm, Colvin is an athlete still developing.
My bet is that the Cubs are hoping the price falls as the demand is not yet going at the O's, my bet is that Bedard is more attractive since he would instantly make the Cubs have a top 4-man rotation and they still have two veterans vying for the final rotation spot.
I would trade Patterson, Gallagher and Marquis for Bedard and then make a deal with Texas with Murton and keep Pie and Marshall. This way Cubs could find a 4th OF'er like Byrd and go north with the best staff in the NL and one of the best defenses.
by Ivy Walls on Jan 24, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think all of us would
by philadelphiacub on Jan 24, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when overhauling trades are two fold
Pie
Colvin
Patterson
Vetters
Donaldson
Thomas
Soto
Samardzija
Gallagher
Veal
Ceda
Hart
Petrick
Ascanio
MLB fillers are
Murton
Cedeno
Fontenot
Fox
Mateo
Of those Pie and Soto are immediately ready and slated to be starting with the Cubs. If you decide that you are going with Pie than Colvin and possibly Patterson are available. If you gather another bona fide middle to top of the rotation starting pitcher than Gallagher and Veal are possibly available. The big weakness is at SS (Cedeno) where an injury really causes the middle infield to be in jeopardy, so that is the risk you take. Cubs have Donaldson at 2B but his defense could be worse than Patterson.
Here is my thoughts which dovetail off of yours. Patterson is a bona fide prospect with power, speed and OBP and can play adaquate CF along with Colvin who is about a year away and considered a Finley/Crawford level prospect or a choice of Gallagher/Hart plus Marquis and Dempster for Bedard and a prospect.
by Ivy Walls on Jan 25, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice insights
by wild bill on Jan 25, 2008 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Say it!... Say it!... Say it!
http://imdb.com/title/tt0090685/quotes
[scroll down about two screens for the Professor Terguson quote]
by ballhawk on Jan 25, 2008 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
by SouthernCub on Jan 24, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well in that
by wild bill on Jan 24, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
DmL
by dmlichte on Jan 24, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's
by jazzypete on Jan 24, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very simple
by MPH73 on Jan 24, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We should still be...
In my view, if it happens: Yeh! If not, no biggie. We don't need the Orioles to get to the World Series, but we do, in my estimation, need one more quality starting pitcher or perhaps an impact bat.
I'm equating people's impatience with the Roberts situation as impatience with the winter. I know I'm itchy for Spring Training to start.
As for McPhail, well, don't we know enough already about his "ways?!" I had high hopes for his regime, but I'm glad that management's changed. - TL
by timlacy on Jan 24, 2008 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deadlines
But... he can't do anything until he knows the exact price of Brian Roberts or whether he will even get him.
So... Hendry may have to declare a deadline date (Jan. 31?) earlier than McPhail's to allow him to make these other moves before ST.
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 24, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts...
by airmidget1 on Jan 24, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would have to agree...
by gacubbie20 on Jan 24, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by airmidget1 on Jan 24, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coup DeGrace
by dizzle on Jan 25, 2008 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I meant...
by gacubbie20 on Jan 25, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
100% Agree
by McRipper on Jan 25, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You say the Baltimore Sun
by LilLPLancer23 on Jan 24, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This mentioned before?
Sun is reporting O's are talking to Boras about Lohse. It would appear that is a fallback plan, or could signal Bedard is not leaving.
Why would they sign Lohse and trade Bedard? It's a downgrade and money loser.
Perhaps Marquis would be a cheaper, nearer term solution to Lohse.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/01/forward_and_backward_thinking.html
by blackhawk24 on Jan 24, 2008 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can't imagine why they'd want Marquis...
Marquis seems more useful to a playoff contender who needs a #4 or #5 starter to be mediocre but eat innings at the regular season rotation (a team like the D-Backs).
But, I guess you can just never tell. And that's of course assuming that the Orioles actually do have interest in Marquis.
by SouthernCub on Jan 24, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My only guess...
by cwyers on Jan 24, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Warning.
by Cool Hand on Jan 24, 2008 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
THIS JUST IN
I say no way we make the deal.
by NIUcubbie on Jan 24, 2008 6:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They could start a site called...
by timlacy on Jan 24, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Offer them
by LT on Jan 24, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
by gary varsho on Jan 24, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bip
by wild bill on Jan 25, 2008 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would indeed be a pricey trade.
by gary varsho on Jan 25, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it David Roberts?
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 25, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's
by gary varsho on Jan 25, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Maybe it's
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 25, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A package deal of
by gary varsho on Jan 25, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Robin Roberts isn't dead, by the way
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 25, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then,
by gary varsho on Jan 25, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, we've got the towel drill!
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 25, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very True!
by gary varsho on Jan 25, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Robin Roberts isn't 81!

by Al on Jan 25, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And here I thought
by gary varsho on Jan 25, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would we trade for a basekball player?
by Chanman25 on Jan 24, 2008 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The article is consistent with...
by DudeVf11 on Jan 24, 2008 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
as in Corey?
by Chanman25 on Jan 24, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing....
by DudeVf11 on Jan 24, 2008 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably recommend
by gary varsho on Jan 24, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is KOW ?
by Aussie Cub on Jan 25, 2008 4:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
KOW = dat cubfan daver's special friend
by JohnM on Jan 25, 2008 4:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, KOW is my...
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 25, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!
by Al on Jan 25, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: LMAO!
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 25, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I respectfully say to you...
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 25, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN
Is that a bear and a banana hugging each other??? Why is that funny?
What is "BFF"???
HELP!!!
by nickler on Jan 25, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But which one's daver?
by JohnM on Jan 26, 2008 6:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: But which one's daver?
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Towers expresses interest in Murton
by lemon20pie on Jan 25, 2008 7:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Take Greene, not Roberts
Would the Padres be willing to take Marquis as well, or does including him lower the value of Murton?
by drewishdrewid on Jan 25, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay brisk money to watch that.
Jim Hendry: I know what your problem is, Kenny.
Kenny Williams: And what's that?
Jim Hendry: Look at your shortstop! Is he a grinder?
Kenny Williams: ...no.
Jim Hendry: Is he gritty?
Kenny Williams: ...no.
Jim Hendry: Does he get his uniform dirty.
Kenny Williams: Well, no...
Jim Hendry: Well I have just what you need - Ryan Theriot! We can swap.
Kenny Williams: Really? You'd do that for me? w
Jim Hendry: Well, I'm gonna need a throwin with that, so I don't get killed in the press. How about Charlie Haeger?
Kenny Williams: Deal.
by cwyers on Jan 25, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Surprisingly there's an intelligent
Over 113 posts on this subject.
by escapegoat on Jan 25, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
by escapegoat on Jan 25, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by cubfaninSTL on Jan 25, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Article on Veal
by escapegoat on Jan 25, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
re: Article on Veal
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 25, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
It's a very good article I must add.
by escapegoat on Jan 25, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cubs
by NOMAR on Jan 26, 2008 6:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If ytou're so sick of hearing about Roberts
Shut your pie hole then. Just because you have the liberty to toss out whatever meaningless thought that comes into your head on the internet, does not mean you have to subject the rest of the world to it.
by escapegoat on Jan 26, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should be happy
by MPH73 on Jan 26, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by 

















