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Official HATE thread...

This is for every Cubs fan that wants to vent, without worry for the pollyanna post police that infect every thread.

This is the place for you to call Dempster a gutless punk. This is the place for you to gripe about Soriano swinging at anything in the same zip code. This is the place for you to wonder exactly what Lou did to make these guys tighten up.

This is the place for you to think Marshall and SU*$^Q!%)(!#%djza are overrated goobers who couldn't keep a 4-2 game close. And what a wondrous decision THAT was, putting those guys in key situations in the playoffs.

This team let us down tonight. I know they tried. They didn't mean it.

That don't feed the bulldog. Figure it out, boys.  DO NOT embarrass the city and the fans again this year with an NLDS sweep.

And I hope the fans boo their m-fing lungs out.

Tired of the pollyannas telling you that you're too negative? Come on in here. Vent, hate, rage, whine, bitch, whatever.

You deserve it.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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I hate James Loney

thats it……maybe Dick Stockton or whatever that idiots name is as well

by bheidge on Oct 1, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tony gwynn

sounds like a p***y

by chicagosports23 on Oct 1, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know who I hate?

Dempster.

Earlier this week, Colin Cowherd, that gasbag on ESPN, predicted that the Dodgers would take Game 1 because Dempster would choke.

I f***ing hate Dempster for proving Cowherd right.

Dempster wasn’t ready for prime time tonight. His 14 wins might as well be nothing now. He screwed up when it mattered. Let the Yankees take a chance on him in the off-season and watch him screw up for them.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um, if Cowherd is such a gasbag (which he is)

then why bother listening to his show?

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we let our team down tonight

one of the worst displays i’ve seen from a hometown crowd. common, we’re the nl central champs…our fans should be excited to see the cubs at home in the playoffs. even before it looked bad there was no energy aside from dero’s homerun. no chants. nothing. we’d better be pumped tomorrow night.

and i hate tbs and their crew.

by Cubinator on Oct 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was horrid

The crowd was completely out of the game. I do not know if it had to do with the odd start time or the performance, but it was embarressing.

by PieFan08 on Oct 1, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was telling my buddy how bad the phillies fans were

and now i’m trying to get the foot out of my mouth =/

by Cubinator on Oct 1, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the HATE thread

If you want to whine about the evil fans who let down the poor chokers, start another thread.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry...

When did THE FANS start getting multi-million contracts to do their job?

Dempster sucked the life right out of the stadium. Blame him.

We have the right to expect effort. I saw it from DeRosa’s bat, Dome’s fielding and Fontenot’s pinch-hitting. I didn’t see it anywhere else.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Threads like this let our team down

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm not earning my fan salary then

I have something in common with Dempster

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as someone who just got back from the game

i didn’t get that feeling at all…

granted i only go to 3-6 games a year since i’m from FLA, but I thought the crowd tried multiple times to get back into it only to see more and more walks

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what happens

when MLB takes 1/2 the tickets and gives them away to their cronies while real fans are sitting at home listening to that HORRID tbs crew

Embrace the Goat and It Shall Be Undone

by hawkster34 on Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

If you pay $500 just for a decent seat, you probably aren’t a real fan and spent your time working this summer instead of watching the Cubs.

Are you smarter for doing so? Maybe.

A real fan? NO!

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 1, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou's use of the Bullpen

Why not put Marmol and Wood in to keep it at 5-2?

by PieFan08 on Oct 1, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

absolutely not

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was fine with bringing in the AAA squad after the lead was blown.

It was one of those nights that you could feel. Lowe on the mound, offense in the early innings and nothing more. Squandered leadoff double when they were down 4-2.

I agreed with that ONE decision of Lou’s, saving Woody and/or Marmol. Dempster staying in after walking ther bags loaded is one of the biggest gafs I have seen in a while. Demp was walking around the mound BEGGING to be taken out. He was off and he gave Lou every chance to take him out pre-grand slam but Lou did as he does. That was my problem. Game was lost after that.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou said he didn't remove Dempster after he loaded the bases with his 7th walk because...

Dempster hadn’t allowed a run yet. Was that sound reasoning? What do you all think?

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 2, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a good manager (which Lou usually is)

reads Demp’s body language. When you have a pitcher who barely got out of a bases loaded jam earlier, who just walked the bases loaded after 2 were out and he had 0-2 count, pacing around the mound, you take him out. demp is one of the most mild mannered and cool guys on this team. he would have been bummed he couldn’t get past 5 but happy if the Cubs had a W.

just my opinion.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 2, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to be aggressive in the postseason...

…PUT MARMOL IN WITH THE BASES LOADED 2 OUTS!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

by WUSTLCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

THAT I agree with.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derek Lee

still hitting into double plays ? Geez….

by coral on Oct 1, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

got on base

twice in 4 AB’s….. Aramis hit into a DP too

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the collective anxiety in the stadium didnt help

Even while watching the 1st inning, i kept thinking it was really quiet.

I hate Dempsters 7 BB

I hate Derrek Lee’s inevitable slide toward mediocrity

I hate that Billingsley is better than Lowe.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Clue me in...

…is this a one game series????

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We just lost homefield...

We are putting Game 2 in the hands of a nutcase. Our Game 5 guy showed tonight that he can’t be counted on.

Our leadoff hitter has no idea where the strike zone is. Our #3 hitter is a DP machine. Our MVP catcher still hasn’t had a postseason hit.

Sorry… not in the mood for flowers and sunshine.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're never

in the mood for flowers and sunshine

by Cubinator on Oct 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We sure did lose homefield...

…and if my calculations are correct, a win tonight and one in LA, gives the homefield back to the Cubs.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2008 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes...

… but 24 or 28 League Division Series have been won by the team that won game one. 3 of the 4 LDS last year were sweeps.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY...

Momentum is everything. The season now rests on the ability of Zambano to handle pressure.

Hope next year is better.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

last year all over again

what… Soriano, Lee, Ramirez and Soto go 2-for-15. I said this before… one of these guys needs to put the team on their shoulder. This cannot be the offensive output we saw last year against the Diamondbacks and from what I saw tonight, its gonna be.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This game was lost...

…on that bump 60 feet 6 inches from home plate – period.

With that said, its only one game. If they play like shit the whole series and lose, than go ahead and cut loose with how the good players didn’t deliver.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not just today...

… its a continuation of the offense we saw last year in the playoffs. Hope to get someone on base and then hit a HR. Aramis hits a lead off double … you MUST get him in somehow. But this has been the teams downfall all season. Its not just one game, its what we saw last year in the playoffs and far too frequently this year.

Dempster pitched poorly today… and unfortunately the walks are part of Dempster. But this team also needs to score more than two runs. It was lost on the mound, yes, but even if Demp pitches a decent game, maybe giving up two or three runs over seven innings, the team still probably loses.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how long...

…you have followed baseball, but if you are banking on the offense being at the top of their game every night, you will be dissappointed. In the playoffs, you face good ptichers and you are going to get shut down more times than not.

This is a game they could have won 2-0 or 2-1, if Dempster would have had any kind of command, it could have turned out that way.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

You see Marmol and Wood in the 8th and 9th if Demp can make 7 innings. Just a bad game by everbody involved….

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derosa showed up

He gets props from me. everyone else…..

by TJ3117 on Oct 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now it won't...

Because Dempster is a choking dog who will now expect a big contract.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a 5-year old

Don’t treat treat me like I am.

Yes, I know that teams don’t often score a lot of runs in playoff games. But this is a team that has a pattern that I am going to go back to last year with. I am not banking on them being on top of their game offensively every night but I am banking on them being on the top of their game offensively on some nights and now we’ve seen four straight playoff games over two years where the Cubs offensively have been crap.

Its not just the two runs scored. The Cubs actually collected hits tonight… but they left guys stranded. Soriano was again the flailing swinger who is now 2-for-19 as a Cub in playoff games. They were swinging for the fences against a pretty extreme ground ball pitcher on a cold night. Yes, balls were leaving the yard but you cannot bank on the HR.

Yes, I do blame Dempster but the offense continues to disturb me.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I'm saying is...

…you need to win some low scoring games in the playoffs and tonight was one that could have been a low scoring win if Dempster had any type of command.

I apologize for the condensending tone in my earlier post.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no prob...

… we’re all, um, frustrated. I just feel like this is 2007 all over again and 26 hours from now we’re going to be down 2-0 again.

Dempster showed his main weakness today and yes, had he done his job, he should have gotten this game into the 7th. But if the offense continues to be absent in the post season, its time for Hendry to go back to the drawing board and realize that a good fantasy league offense doesn’t win playoff series.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

if you are a good team there is NO excuse for not executing and bringing home a runner at second with no outs. Soto watched two hittable strikes up and out over the outer half of the plate that he could have easily shot to the right side to move over Ramirez. Instead he watches them go by and swings at that unhittable sinker low and out of the zone. Absolutely ridiculous.

bring up felix.

by kylejo on Oct 2, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DaBard

I hate that he’s cliff-jumping after the FIRST GAME. Come on man, take a chill pill. We’ve got Z and Harden going the next 2 days

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First of all...thank you for creating this so i can say what is on my mind

im so tired of being embarassed everytime i wear my cubs jersey out in public… because we suck… plain as day we suck..who gives a shit if we havent won in 100 years none of the players nor coaching staff was alive then and need to grow some balls and go out and play(sorry for language) what im trying to say is how much is Soriano getting paid? why do we have players that have build our team for 162 games.?

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hated the Carnival Like Strike Zone

Pitches catching plenty of plate called balls. By the end of the game, those same pitches were strikes….

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see it that way...

…Dempster just lost it and there is no other way to explain it.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, how DARE that ump

Not call strikes that were level with the brim of the Dodgers’ ball caps!

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There were several pitches

in the first five innings that were on the corner that were not called strikes. Furcal 3-1 pitch, Lowe’s 2-2 pitch to name a couple.

BTW…Don’t hate the hate. That is pretty ignorant of you to pick on another person’s hate

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate any hate

That doesn’t squarely fall where it belongs…

On the choking dog players.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lowe seemed to handle...

…the strikezone pretty well and that is just a BS excuse.

When a pitcher over throws his fastball, it usually ends up high and that is what Dempster was doing. Its almost like he had a little of Zambrano in him tonight and couldn’t keep himself on an even keel.

Tomorrow, I do expect a good game from Z.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not use it as an excuse...I just said that I did not like it.

However, I do think that Demp fell in love with his fastball and got away from the Splitter and Slider until he faced Loney.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on the K zone.

There were a few pitches that appeared to go the wrong way. Called em high, and never called em at the knees as far as I could see of course. Still, Lou killed this game. Blame Demp all you want, Lou needed to yank him after walking the bags loaded. How can you NOT be pointing this out?

When you pitcher is stuggling, especially in this atmosphere, you yank him. Had he done that, Marshal, assuming he did what he did post GS and double, gets out of the inning.

My biggest fear is that somewhere inside Lou, he simply wanted Demp to get the win.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 2, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou said he didn't remove Dempster then because he hadn't allowed a run.

I understand that reasoning but in a playoff game with your team in a scoring drought you can’t manage that way.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 2, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Run or no run, he was done ans Lou needs to be more conservative.

Yes I know, had Marshall come in and given up a GS we would be mad about that but can anyone really have argued then that Demp was on all night and deserved to stay in?

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 2, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. The ump was good. No complaints here.

Dempster was ugly tonight. Soriano was more anxious than a father to be at the hospital’s waiting room.

I thought managers were supposed to keep his players on a even keel. Many of these players have been in this situation before. WTF happened that they were so tense?

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 1, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way you can blame the ump for Demps performance

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Oct 1, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not

I just said that I did not like the Strike Zone. I thought that it was maddeningly inconsistent.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neifi Perez would gone 4-4

easily

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

*wouldve

oye, I think this post is kind of like TO “venting” about his lack of touches, when in actuality we’re all just pissed, so dont take this too seriously i guess.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....I like this thread...we need to let it out

tomorrow is a new day, but I don’t care about that right now.

Right now I’m mad. There is no excuse for this. 7 FREAKING walks when you have a well above average defense is intolerable.

by Neifi Puppy on Oct 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

looking to blame someone

how about Pineilla for sticking with a guy over 100 pitches and 7 BB’s and not having anyone warming in the pen

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way after the regular season Demp has you dont start him game 1

unless you’re saying harden should start tomorrow over Z.

by TJ3117 on Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...

Demp earned the right to start.

He’s now forfeited the right to be trusted with anything else.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

harden is our best starter

plain and simple, i’ve said it many times. Harden should’ve started game 1, Dempster should’ve started game 2 and then Z in game 3

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Sending him out for a flat-out embarrassing AB was ridiculous.

Of course, Marshall and Spellcheck shat the bed too, so either way, Lou was screwed. Dempster screwed him with his walks.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

marshall

gave up 1 ER in 2 1/3 innings and struck out 4, he wasn’t bad

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally, someone said it....

…it was ridiculous to wait until the bases were loaded to start warming up the bullpen.

"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield

by DrGalazkiewicz on Oct 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ghost of Dusty Baker?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least in Baker's case

the pitcher he left in HAD been having a pretty good game

Dempster had walked the bases loaded twice

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am 100%

positive there would have been a giant contingent of people complaining about Lou puling the plug on Demp and going with Marquis or Marshall in that situation had they surrendered a hit? Who would you rather have on the mound in that situation?

Please…

http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!

by TheTruth11 on Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have pulled him

before he Walked Either. I would have brought in Marshall to pitch to Either

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was thinking the same thing

sure enough later in the game Marshall worked through the back-to-back lefties in fine fashion

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster proved he didn't have it.

It was insane to stick with him. Marshall and Marquis are on the postseason roster for just this situation.

It was inexcusable to send Dempster up there to bat and the moron tried to bunt his way on. Give me a break.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please...

Dempster had allowed baserunners every inning… everyone knew it was gonna eventually bite him…

Who would I have rather had on the mound? Anyone but Howry.

Please…

"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield

by DrGalazkiewicz on Oct 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it too late to stick a blind one-armed chimp on the playoff roster?

Because he would have done better than Dempster

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My only complaint

Why bat Theriot 8th and Fukudome 2nd? Swap them! That’s the winning lineup that won most games.

Other than that, I’m ready to forget tonight’s game.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't get it...

We don’t have much time. Two more of these and it’s over.

This isn’t mid-June in San Diego. This is the freakign playoffs.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get it

I’m not new….

But I’m also not going to put myself through not sleeping and being pissed off all day either.

I’ve spent a good portion of the last 6 months following this team. I’ve spent a boatload of my money buying tickets, flying to Chicago, driving to see the team play. Don’t tell me I don’t get it.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't you feel stupid now...

All that support for a team that can’t be bothered to try when it counts.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I don't

Because this team has given me great memories already this year.

I got to go with my father to Wrigley for first time in 15 years. I got to take my little cousin to see Rich Harden pitch. I saw Mets fall to them at Shea in the 10th inning. I sat at my computer and saw them come back from a 9-0 deficit.

The Dodgers got the best of the Cubs tonight. Dempster wasn’t great and I wasn’t a fan of the #2 and #8 lineup. But the team for the most part tried. I don’t like Soriano at the plate in post season but he ran in the field tonight like it mattered.

Just watch tomorrow, hopefully there will be a better result.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please don't use "we"

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by Less is Walrond on Oct 1, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he says we

He just means “I”. And clearly didn’t get at all what I said in any posts.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it is debatable,

but we’ve seen Demp walk guys into scoring position all year long. The greatest reason for his success this year has been inning management. And those calling for Marmol? Seriously? In a 2-0 ballgame in the 5th inning? Yea, NO ONE would of complained about that move in the later innings…

http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!

by TheTruth11 on Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This post is embarrassing.

Yes, the Cubs played like crap tonight, and were managed poorly. But there’s no need for “hate” here.

I’ll have more to say in the morning. In the meantime, I suggest everyone take a deep breath and go to sleep, shake it off like the players have to, and wake up refreshed tomorrow.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing any fan can do

Is more embarrassing than Dempster and Soriano’s performances.

The time for deep breaths are over. Zambrano has to deal tomorrow or it’s over. And no one should have any confidence in him.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were you not hugged enough as a kid or something?

Christ…

http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!

by TheTruth11 on Oct 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trolls

can’t feel love

by Cubinator on Oct 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF the Cubs win 3 straight...

… won’t this thread look ridiculous?

Game one is important in a 5 game series, but a loss is not the end. I know that’s a statement of the obvious, but I still expect the Cubs to win this series.

Losing game 2 would be cause for serious concern, but even then “hate?” Way too over the top.

by DrCrawdad on Oct 1, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats my prediction...

…Cubs win 3 straight.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

How about 11 straight? :)

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd vote for that.

Let’s all calm down. I’ve had a long day. Going to sleep on this before posting a recap tomorrow.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 1, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope...

…they will go 11-4 from this point.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd work for me too.

Now I really am off to sleep.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 1, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I learned from last year

I’m not going to lose sleep over this and I’m not going to be acting pissed off all day around co-workers. If this is going to happen, it’s going to happen.

At most if we lose it this year in a poor performance I’ll have to seriously look at the amount of of money I’m going to invest on the team next year.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i really hope you take this post down Al

it has no business being on this site for true fans

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't understand...

… the sentiment that people can’t be critical and also be fans. Is the “hate” extreme, absolutely. But being critical and calling out what went wrong in this game does not make someone less of a fan. Fans are allowed to avoid the critical and, yes, analytical aspect of things, but don’t fault those who who want to.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

just as they can fault the team

i can fault their opinions…..it’s one game, stop being the typical cubs fans the media makes us out to be….it was one freaking game!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then fault the opinion,..

… don’t fault the right to have an opinion.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't i just say

“i can fault your opinion?”

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you're not faulting the opinion

You’re faulting my right to have an opinion and express it. At the moment, I am not very optimistic. I’m not jumping and I’m not saying the Cubs won’t come back. But at the moment, I am pessimistic. You’re seeming to say that makes me less of a fan.

Faulting my opinion means telling me why I’m wrong. What you’re doing is nullifying my right to have that opinion.

by dmlichte on Oct 2, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which Fan is that

The Optimist, the Ledge Jumper, the Drunk, the Sentimental Old Fan

The Media has a handful of what you could call “typical” Cub Fans. It is whatever fan type buys papers, magazines, visits websites…etc…

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why? Fans are allowed to vent.

Besides, read the post again. What part is not true or a reasonable opinion?

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 1, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then...get...out...of...the...thread

If it offends thy delicate eyes so much.

Pathetic. Don’t agree with my opinion, so I should not have an opinion?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 2, 2008 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BEER!

NUMB MY PAIN!

/that is all

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 1, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that "hate"is too strong a word. It's uncalled for.

But, Al, there is a lot to complain about and the future doesn’t look good the way this team is playing. They’re flatter than a pancake right now and were mostly the same the last month of the season. That’s no good at this moment.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 2, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano has always been pathetic, to expect anythign out of him in the playoffs would be foolish

"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.

by CubsBall2202 on Oct 1, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah – pathetic. Like Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, when he homered off Schilling in the 8th inning to give the Yankees the lead, which would have been the Series-winning home run had Rivera not messed the bed in the 9th?

by Jody Jody Davis on Oct 1, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That looks like a fluke now.

Because Soriano has done nothing in the postseason since that night seven years ago.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 1, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pathetic on everyone's part in this post

who bashes….

DaBard…you should be ashamed of yourself for GIVING UP ON YOUR TEAM AFTER ONE GAME!!!

When we comeback and win tomorrow, not only will I say “I told you so”, I expect you to eat your crow and like it.

Just pathetic on the part of any fan on this thread who bashes the team…I’m disappointed in everyone who is giving up right now.

Look, they lost, losses HAPPEN!!! we had 64 OF THEM this YEAR!!!

this is 1 GAME!!! sure..it’s bigger than those 162 by exorbitant numbers…but there’s one tomorrow to get that bad taste out of our mouths…

I sat in a St. Louis bar tonight and got hated on all night…and you don’t see me giving up on this team…just pathetic in every facet to give up on your team DaBard…some fan you are.

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate...

… was a ridiculous way to title this thread. And Debard is going over the edge. However there are some real causes for continued concern and there’s nothing wrong with people venting. Don’t confuse people trying to figure out why this team lost and what they need to correct with giving up on the team.

by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unrelented bashing on the same players

who just won you 97 games is cause for concern among our fanbase…

I have nothing wrong with venting and calling out players/coaches/fans whatever…but DaBard is just sad…and some of these other posts are just sad…

we have another game tomorrow…let’s get ready for it…

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow doesn't look better.

I hope we win. But we’ll feature a very inconsistent pitcher, our middle relievers are being hit, our corner outfielders are not hitting, we are starnding a lot of runners and our team was cold the whole month of September.

The Dodgers were the hot team in the final weeks of the season. Lou couldn’t get these players to play relaxed and with confidence. They were tense and anxious. Can we wake up in 24 hours? That’s unlikely though certainly not impossible. This team looked tonight like losers that will be eliminated earlier than everybody thought, their talent notwithstanding.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 1, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Some people took the rose-colored glasses off and saw reality tonight. I guess others have to wait for the 3-0 sweep to do it.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 2, 2008 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ledge jumpers

let me lead you the way to the sears tower

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DaBard...

…you are a tool. Find a new team.

by bergs55 on Oct 1, 2008 10:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

bluemike 2.0?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This series is just like the 162-game season

We just lost 32.4 games.

Hate is understandable!

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 1, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon."

by DbacksSkins on Oct 2, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe "hate" was the wrong word to use

but there’s nothing wrong with wanting to vent with your fellow fans after a terrible loss like this in such an important game.
At least he identified what the thread was all about in the title. For the people who want to be optimistic and look on the bright side, that;s great. So why are you on this thread then? Maybe because you’re angry too and you need to take it out on anyone but the Cubs.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 1, 2008 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1, the if people have trouble with the word hate I understand and agree

but saying people aren’t fans because they wan to bitch about the team’s performance tonight is kind of harsh too.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Oct 1, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

thank you we are not jumping off the ledge just very frustrated

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Koolaide you

are correct as usual!

by chipdowski on Oct 1, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Bay 2-run HR, Sox lead 2-1

he seems to have paid dividends. Why can’t Soriano do that for our guys?!

by CubFaninNY on Oct 1, 2008 10:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing is over yet

The team is going to have to show that they can dig out of this. We all know how important winning the first game is in the first round.

You want the team to raise confidence from whatever it was. Instead Dempster booked his worst performance since he became a starter. It looks like Mark DeRosa, Theriot and the Dodgers came to play. Did I leave anybody out? I hated the lineup. Bench Fukudome for the rest of the series. Joe Torre is pure class. I’m still stewing about the last week of the season. Play to win and we might be playing the Mets.

Don’t want to have to vent agains tomorrow.

by AboutTheCubs on Oct 1, 2008 10:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not over...

But the odds are brutal to get the series now. The team hasn’t been at it’s best for a month…and I felt Game 1 was key. Hopefully we see good Z turn it around. I can’t stomach a repeat of last October.

And I don’t care if this team wins 162…it no longer matters once the playoffs start. This team is too good for a “we’re happy to be here attitude”.

Set that fire under their asses Lou…and find a way to Fontenot in the lineup.

by madcubfan on Oct 1, 2008 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theres no one to blame but ourselves

The Dodgers jumped and capitalized on our mistakes, as would any team playing any other team in the league.

We tried our best, and unfortunately it didn’t end up in the result that we wanted, all we can do is just move on.

Lots of people are just acting like they lost Game 7 of the WS. They don’t call it a five game series for no reason. Always look on the bright side of life.

*I was postgame drunk when I wrote this

"I wish I had a dollar for every time I spent a dollar, because then I'd have all my money back."
-Jack Handey

by deepthoughtsbyjackhandey on Oct 1, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is all the fruit of the vast Chicken Wing Conspiracy

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 1, 2008 11:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not to mention

- failure to clog bases and drive men on base home

- Lou giving Demp the benefit of the doubt on that LAST DARN AT BAT – which any of us could do.

- Ignoring danger signs of Dempster handing out WALKS should have been read a LOT quicker

Sbout it.

And the fan energy was .. well, inexplicable. However, a little bit of passion might have helped .. then again, they paid millions of bucks to sit and watch. It was time for the Cubs to do their thing. They didn’t.

They will snap back. Z will pitch well and we’re going to shellack LA .. You watch

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 1, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put Reed Johnson in LF .. Bench Fukudome

Please send Bob Howry away, Lou. Please

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 1, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, let me try this again ..

Put Reed in RF .. Leave Jimmy in CF .. and snap a towel at Soriano’s hind end ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 1, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wrote the other night that managerial moves are magnified in the postseason.

Leaving Dempster out there looks now like the wrong move. Lou trusted he’d get the last strike but the guy had emptied his tank. The manager should have recognized that.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 1, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thought at that time was that he was

Managing the 5th inning but thinking about the 8th Inning. I think he desperately wanted Demp to pitch at least 6 innings so as not to expose the middle relief of the bullpen. He could have played matchups in the 7th and had Marmol at the ready for the last out or two and for the 8th.

Demp should have been pulled when Manny was walked. Bringing in Marshall to pitch to Either would have been the right call.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 2, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate bedwetting Cubs fans

who are ready to jump off the ledge after ONE loss in the postseason, like many on this board and many who were calling/e-mailing into the postgame shows tonight on WGN and the Score. You people are pathetic.

Did the Cubs play well tonight? No. But it’s a best-of-5 series, not a best-of-1.

I was predicting Cubs in 5 before this series began. They’re still on track to do exactly that.

Al, I do hope you take down this thread tomorrow. Sounds like some of the Cubs’ fan base should find another team for which to root.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 2, 2008 1:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Again...another

person who is apparently incapable of NOT clicking on a thread. Do you guys call Al to come and remove threads on other sites? Or if you run into someone who you disagree with at the supermarket? Do you call Al?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 2, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Takae it down? I thought this was an opinion forum. We don't have to agree all the time or see things only one way.

I personally prefer the analysis over the rooting every time, even when the analysis doesn’t favor the Cubs.

I insist I see disconcerting and troublesome things in this club that were not there before September. We all hope the team will turn this around but there is not any objective fact out there to justify that hope right now. We’ll see if there is one tonight.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 2, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is something that hasn't been mentioned...

I HATE the sticker on Theriot’s locker. I noticed it in the post game interview. It reads,

“In loving memory of Dusty” with a big CUBS logo in the middle.

I hate that sticker a lot.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 2, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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