Official HATE thread...
by DaBard
on Oct 1, 2008 8:40 PM CDT
This is for every Cubs fan that wants to vent, without worry for the pollyanna post police that infect every thread.
This is the place for you to call Dempster a gutless punk. This is the place for you to gripe about Soriano swinging at anything in the same zip code. This is the place for you to wonder exactly what Lou did to make these guys tighten up.
This is the place for you to think Marshall and SU*$^Q!%)(!#%djza are overrated goobers who couldn't keep a 4-2 game close. And what a wondrous decision THAT was, putting those guys in key situations in the playoffs.
This team let us down tonight. I know they tried. They didn't mean it.
That don't feed the bulldog. Figure it out, boys. DO NOT embarrass the city and the fans again this year with an NLDS sweep.
And I hope the fans boo their m-fing lungs out.
Tired of the pollyannas telling you that you're too negative? Come on in here. Vent, hate, rage, whine, bitch, whatever.
You deserve it.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
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I hate James Loney
thats it……maybe Dick Stockton or whatever that idiots name is as well
by bheidge on Oct 1, 2008 8:49 PM CDT 0 recs
You know who I hate?
Dempster.
Earlier this week, Colin Cowherd, that gasbag on ESPN, predicted that the Dodgers would take Game 1 because Dempster would choke.
I f***ing hate Dempster for proving Cowherd right.
Dempster wasn’t ready for prime time tonight. His 14 wins might as well be nothing now. He screwed up when it mattered. Let the Yankees take a chance on him in the off-season and watch him screw up for them.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 8:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Um, if Cowherd is such a gasbag (which he is)
then why bother listening to his show?
Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog
by berselius on
Oct 1, 2008 9:13 PM CDT
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we let our team down tonight
one of the worst displays i’ve seen from a hometown crowd. common, we’re the nl central champs…our fans should be excited to see the cubs at home in the playoffs. even before it looked bad there was no energy aside from dero’s homerun. no chants. nothing. we’d better be pumped tomorrow night.
and i hate tbs and their crew.
by Cubinator on Oct 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT 0 recs
It was horrid
The crowd was completely out of the game. I do not know if it had to do with the odd start time or the performance, but it was embarressing.
by PieFan08 on
Oct 1, 2008 8:59 PM CDT
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i was telling my buddy how bad the phillies fans were
and now i’m trying to get the foot out of my mouth =/
by Cubinator on
Oct 1, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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This is the HATE thread
If you want to whine about the evil fans who let down the poor chokers, start another thread.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT
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I'm sorry...
When did THE FANS start getting multi-million contracts to do their job?
Dempster sucked the life right out of the stadium. Blame him.
We have the right to expect effort. I saw it from DeRosa’s bat, Dome’s fielding and Fontenot’s pinch-hitting. I didn’t see it anywhere else.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
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+1
Threads like this let our team down
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by berselius on
Oct 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT
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I guess I'm not earning my fan salary then
I have something in common with Dempster
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by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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as someone who just got back from the game
i didn’t get that feeling at all…
granted i only go to 3-6 games a year since i’m from FLA, but I thought the crowd tried multiple times to get back into it only to see more and more walks
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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thats what happens
when MLB takes 1/2 the tickets and gives them away to their cronies while real fans are sitting at home listening to that HORRID tbs crew
Embrace the Goat and It Shall Be Undone
by hawkster34 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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+ 1
If you pay $500 just for a decent seat, you probably aren’t a real fan and spent your time working this summer instead of watching the Cubs.
Are you smarter for doing so? Maybe.
A real fan? NO!
by IllinoisCubs on
Oct 1, 2008 10:00 PM CDT
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Lou's use of the Bullpen
Why not put Marmol and Wood in to keep it at 5-2?
by PieFan08 on Oct 1, 2008 8:58 PM CDT 0 recs
I was fine with bringing in the AAA squad after the lead was blown.
It was one of those nights that you could feel. Lowe on the mound, offense in the early innings and nothing more. Squandered leadoff double when they were down 4-2.
I agreed with that ONE decision of Lou’s, saving Woody and/or Marmol. Dempster staying in after walking ther bags loaded is one of the biggest gafs I have seen in a while. Demp was walking around the mound BEGGING to be taken out. He was off and he gave Lou every chance to take him out pre-grand slam but Lou did as he does. That was my problem. Game was lost after that.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on
Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM CDT
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Lou said he didn't remove Dempster after he loaded the bases with his 7th walk because...
Dempster hadn’t allowed a run yet. Was that sound reasoning? What do you all think?
by Fraggin Judge on
Oct 2, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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I think a good manager (which Lou usually is)
reads Demp’s body language. When you have a pitcher who barely got out of a bases loaded jam earlier, who just walked the bases loaded after 2 were out and he had 0-2 count, pacing around the mound, you take him out. demp is one of the most mild mannered and cool guys on this team. he would have been bummed he couldn’t get past 5 but happy if the Cubs had a W.
just my opinion.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on
Oct 2, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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You have to be aggressive in the postseason...
…PUT MARMOL IN WITH THE BASES LOADED 2 OUTS!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by WUSTLCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 8:59 PM CDT 0 recs
THAT I agree with.
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by Kinky Reggae on
Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM CDT
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got on base
twice in 4 AB’s….. Aramis hit into a DP too
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT
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I think the collective anxiety in the stadium didnt help
Even while watching the 1st inning, i kept thinking it was really quiet.
I hate Dempsters 7 BB
I hate Derrek Lee’s inevitable slide toward mediocrity
I hate that Billingsley is better than Lowe.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT 0 recs
Clue me in...
…is this a one game series????
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:04 PM CDT 0 recs
We just lost homefield...
We are putting Game 2 in the hands of a nutcase. Our Game 5 guy showed tonight that he can’t be counted on.
Our leadoff hitter has no idea where the strike zone is. Our #3 hitter is a DP machine. Our MVP catcher still hasn’t had a postseason hit.
Sorry… not in the mood for flowers and sunshine.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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We sure did lose homefield...
…and if my calculations are correct, a win tonight and one in LA, gives the homefield back to the Cubs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 2, 2008 7:11 AM CDT
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yes...
… but 24 or 28 League Division Series have been won by the team that won game one. 3 of the 4 LDS last year were sweeps.
by dmlichte on
Oct 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT
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EXACTLY...
Momentum is everything. The season now rests on the ability of Zambano to handle pressure.
Hope next year is better.
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by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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last year all over again
what… Soriano, Lee, Ramirez and Soto go 2-for-15. I said this before… one of these guys needs to put the team on their shoulder. This cannot be the offensive output we saw last year against the Diamondbacks and from what I saw tonight, its gonna be.
by dmlichte on Oct 1, 2008 9:06 PM CDT 0 recs
This game was lost...
…on that bump 60 feet 6 inches from home plate – period.
With that said, its only one game. If they play like shit the whole series and lose, than go ahead and cut loose with how the good players didn’t deliver.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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its not just today...
… its a continuation of the offense we saw last year in the playoffs. Hope to get someone on base and then hit a HR. Aramis hits a lead off double … you MUST get him in somehow. But this has been the teams downfall all season. Its not just one game, its what we saw last year in the playoffs and far too frequently this year.
Dempster pitched poorly today… and unfortunately the walks are part of Dempster. But this team also needs to score more than two runs. It was lost on the mound, yes, but even if Demp pitches a decent game, maybe giving up two or three runs over seven innings, the team still probably loses.
by dmlichte on
Oct 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT
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I don't know how long...
…you have followed baseball, but if you are banking on the offense being at the top of their game every night, you will be dissappointed. In the playoffs, you face good ptichers and you are going to get shut down more times than not.
This is a game they could have won 2-0 or 2-1, if Dempster would have had any kind of command, it could have turned out that way.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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Agree
You see Marmol and Wood in the 8th and 9th if Demp can make 7 innings. Just a bad game by everbody involved….
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Oct 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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Derosa showed up
He gets props from me. everyone else…..
by TJ3117 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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And now it won't...
Because Dempster is a choking dog who will now expect a big contract.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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I'm not a 5-year old
Don’t treat treat me like I am.
Yes, I know that teams don’t often score a lot of runs in playoff games. But this is a team that has a pattern that I am going to go back to last year with. I am not banking on them being on top of their game offensively every night but I am banking on them being on the top of their game offensively on some nights and now we’ve seen four straight playoff games over two years where the Cubs offensively have been crap.
Its not just the two runs scored. The Cubs actually collected hits tonight… but they left guys stranded. Soriano was again the flailing swinger who is now 2-for-19 as a Cub in playoff games. They were swinging for the fences against a pretty extreme ground ball pitcher on a cold night. Yes, balls were leaving the yard but you cannot bank on the HR.
Yes, I do blame Dempster but the offense continues to disturb me.
by dmlichte on
Oct 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT
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All I'm saying is...
…you need to win some low scoring games in the playoffs and tonight was one that could have been a low scoring win if Dempster had any type of command.
I apologize for the condensending tone in my earlier post.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT
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no prob...
… we’re all, um, frustrated. I just feel like this is 2007 all over again and 26 hours from now we’re going to be down 2-0 again.
Dempster showed his main weakness today and yes, had he done his job, he should have gotten this game into the 7th. But if the offense continues to be absent in the post season, its time for Hendry to go back to the drawing board and realize that a good fantasy league offense doesn’t win playoff series.
by dmlichte on
Oct 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT
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agreed
if you are a good team there is NO excuse for not executing and bringing home a runner at second with no outs. Soto watched two hittable strikes up and out over the outer half of the plate that he could have easily shot to the right side to move over Ramirez. Instead he watches them go by and swings at that unhittable sinker low and out of the zone. Absolutely ridiculous.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on
Oct 2, 2008 7:30 AM CDT
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DaBard
I hate that he’s cliff-jumping after the FIRST GAME. Come on man, take a chill pill. We’ve got Z and Harden going the next 2 days
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by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT 0 recs
First of all...thank you for creating this so i can say what is on my mind
im so tired of being embarassed everytime i wear my cubs jersey out in public… because we suck… plain as day we suck..who gives a shit if we havent won in 100 years none of the players nor coaching staff was alive then and need to grow some balls and go out and play(sorry for language) what im trying to say is how much is Soriano getting paid? why do we have players that have build our team for 162 games.?
by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT 0 recs
I hated the Carnival Like Strike Zone
Pitches catching plenty of plate called balls. By the end of the game, those same pitches were strikes….
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Oct 1, 2008 9:09 PM CDT 0 recs
I didn't see it that way...
…Dempster just lost it and there is no other way to explain it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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Yes, how DARE that ump
Not call strikes that were level with the brim of the Dodgers’ ball caps!
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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There were several pitches
in the first five innings that were on the corner that were not called strikes. Furcal 3-1 pitch, Lowe’s 2-2 pitch to name a couple.
BTW…Don’t hate the hate. That is pretty ignorant of you to pick on another person’s hate
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Oct 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT
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I hate any hate
That doesn’t squarely fall where it belongs…
On the choking dog players.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT
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Lowe seemed to handle...
…the strikezone pretty well and that is just a BS excuse.
When a pitcher over throws his fastball, it usually ends up high and that is what Dempster was doing. Its almost like he had a little of Zambrano in him tonight and couldn’t keep himself on an even keel.
Tomorrow, I do expect a good game from Z.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT
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I did not use it as an excuse...I just said that I did not like it.
However, I do think that Demp fell in love with his fastball and got away from the Splitter and Slider until he faced Loney.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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I agree on the K zone.
There were a few pitches that appeared to go the wrong way. Called em high, and never called em at the knees as far as I could see of course. Still, Lou killed this game. Blame Demp all you want, Lou needed to yank him after walking the bags loaded. How can you NOT be pointing this out?
When you pitcher is stuggling, especially in this atmosphere, you yank him. Had he done that, Marshal, assuming he did what he did post GS and double, gets out of the inning.
My biggest fear is that somewhere inside Lou, he simply wanted Demp to get the win.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on
Oct 2, 2008 8:14 AM CDT
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Lou said he didn't remove Dempster then because he hadn't allowed a run.
I understand that reasoning but in a playoff game with your team in a scoring drought you can’t manage that way.
by Fraggin Judge on
Oct 2, 2008 8:32 AM CDT
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Agreed. Run or no run, he was done ans Lou needs to be more conservative.
Yes I know, had Marshall come in and given up a GS we would be mad about that but can anyone really have argued then that Demp was on all night and deserved to stay in?
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by Kinky Reggae on
Oct 2, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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LOL. The ump was good. No complaints here.
Dempster was ugly tonight. Soriano was more anxious than a father to be at the hospital’s waiting room.
I thought managers were supposed to keep his players on a even keel. Many of these players have been in this situation before. WTF happened that they were so tense?
by Fraggin Judge on
Oct 1, 2008 11:46 PM CDT
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no way you can blame the ump for Demps performance
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on
Oct 1, 2008 10:29 PM CDT
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I did not
I just said that I did not like the Strike Zone. I thought that it was maddeningly inconsistent.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Oct 1, 2008 10:30 PM CDT
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Neifi Perez would gone 4-4
easily
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
*wouldve
oye, I think this post is kind of like TO “venting” about his lack of touches, when in actuality we’re all just pissed, so dont take this too seriously i guess.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Oct 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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Well....I like this thread...we need to let it out
tomorrow is a new day, but I don’t care about that right now.
Right now I’m mad. There is no excuse for this. 7 FREAKING walks when you have a well above average defense is intolerable.
by Neifi Puppy on Oct 1, 2008 9:21 PM CDT 0 recs
looking to blame someone
how about Pineilla for sticking with a guy over 100 pitches and 7 BB’s and not having anyone warming in the pen
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT 0 recs
or saving our best pitcher for Game 3...
n/t
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT
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No way after the regular season Demp has you dont start him game 1
unless you’re saying harden should start tomorrow over Z.
by TJ3117 on
Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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You're right...
Demp earned the right to start.
He’s now forfeited the right to be trusted with anything else.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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harden is our best starter
plain and simple, i’ve said it many times. Harden should’ve started game 1, Dempster should’ve started game 2 and then Z in game 3
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT
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Agreed...
Sending him out for a flat-out embarrassing AB was ridiculous.
Of course, Marshall and Spellcheck shat the bed too, so either way, Lou was screwed. Dempster screwed him with his walks.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT
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marshall
gave up 1 ER in 2 1/3 innings and struck out 4, he wasn’t bad
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT
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Finally, someone said it....
…it was ridiculous to wait until the bases were loaded to start warming up the bullpen.
"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield
by DrGalazkiewicz on
Oct 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT
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The Ghost of Dusty Baker?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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at least in Baker's case
the pitcher he left in HAD been having a pretty good game
Dempster had walked the bases loaded twice
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT
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I am 100%
positive there would have been a giant contingent of people complaining about Lou puling the plug on Demp and going with Marquis or Marshall in that situation had they surrendered a hit? Who would you rather have on the mound in that situation?
Please…
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!
by TheTruth11 on Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT 0 recs
someone who could throw a strike
Dempster had proven he couldn’t
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT
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I would have pulled him
before he Walked Either. I would have brought in Marshall to pitch to Either
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Oct 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT
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was thinking the same thing
sure enough later in the game Marshall worked through the back-to-back lefties in fine fashion
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT
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Dempster proved he didn't have it.
It was insane to stick with him. Marshall and Marquis are on the postseason roster for just this situation.
It was inexcusable to send Dempster up there to bat and the moron tried to bunt his way on. Give me a break.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT
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Please...
Dempster had allowed baserunners every inning… everyone knew it was gonna eventually bite him…
Who would I have rather had on the mound? Anyone but Howry.
Please…
"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tel