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Sorry ledge jumpers, you are not welcomed here. Tonight was a terrible game for our Cubs, but what is bitching and moaning going to do? Nothing. Dempster was the right call to pitch game one and even though hindsight is 20/20, I don't fault Lou or anyone else for the decision. 

I can't wait for the voice of reason (Al) to come here and put into perspective tonights game. 

words words words words freakin words. I'm frustated too, but I can't stand people getting on here complaining the whole night.

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No kidding

I need to get out of that other thread before I get too depressed. Are these people even Cubs fans?

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT   0 recs

did you watch the game?

different people vent in diffenent ways we all believe but at a point you just have to ask your self, why in the hell did this happen?

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 10:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

different fans vent in different ways

i personally believe true fans stay positive, while band wagon fans look for the first opportunity to jump

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there is also a reason to be worried

how do you know these people were jumping ship they could be as loyal of fans as you and I, just frustrated, and i cant disagree

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

granted

i’m more frustrated than any of you….but that doesn’t mean bitching and moaning will do anything to help the situation

there is a reason i didn’t stay on bcb tonight during the game and debard’s fanpost was exactly the reason

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how are you so confident

that your pain is any worse than mine we are in this together i bleed cubbie blue and ill be right there when Z throws another no hitter tomorrow to get us back in this series

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 10:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh c'mon

i didn’t say that…..but when debard gets on here and claims the sky is falling, i’m gonna call him out

true cubs fans don’t think one game means the end to a great season

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

all im sayin

is dont call the guy a tool on his fanpost, he is a fan that was pissed off, and i understand the mindset of where he is coming from. Even if he did not word it in the best possible way.

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 10:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i understand

but if the guy claims to be a cubs fan and says the sky is falling after one game, i’ll call him a tool everyday of the week

go to the post and see what Al had to say, he called it an embarrassment

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i saw that but common

is it right to open another fanpost callin the guy out? not really….lets just agree to disagree and watch Z throw a shutout tomorrow together as fans

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Oct 1, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When the other guy is DaBard

who is routinely nasty and mean, yes. Its fair game to make another thread to have other people vent in a non-nasty way.

There's magic in the ivy...

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Oct 1, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its sweet

when you +1 someone backing your own thread. It’s like giving someone a high-five when they laugh at your joke.

grow up dude.

by serbianking33 on Oct 2, 2008 12:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no way

if one guy is gonna start a post to bitch and moan about the cubs, i’m gonna start one that is intended for positive thoughts

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I call a tool

a tool.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did the Cubs win 162 games this year?

We can’t expect to win every game. Just have hope that we have a good team.

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thank you

since the plus thing is a big trend here for the past few years… +1045234346345678678349345

and we do have a good team, one game doesn’t change anything.

by serbianking33 on Oct 2, 2008 12:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Z has a huge game ahead of him

I think it will all come down to the first inning tomorrow. Will we get good Z or bad Z? Win tomorrow and hope for a split in LA and come home Tuesday for a huge game.

by TJ3117 on Oct 1, 2008 9:17 PM CDT   0 recs

shoulda had a huge one tonight

i know this is old news but… tonight was Z’s game to start, plain and simple.
opening day starter, and shoulda been game 1 starter.
slumping or not, as long as he’s not hurt we need him out there.

now lets get our team goin in game 2.
id like to see a route 20-0 (<seriously tho) we can kick this team’s ass
the dodgers are the best team from the worst division in all of baseball…
cmon
id better be able to hear the crowd loud in clear tomorrow, from the first pitch to final out

by cubsmansince91 on Oct 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We got swept by the best team from that division last year...

and the second-best team represented the NL in the World Series.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i completely agree about the crowd

but throwing Dempster was the right call

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

Go to the official HATE thread with that garbage…..believe or leave

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll bet...

…if Z would have had one of his “blowup” games, you wouldn’t be saying he should have started game one.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's a happy thought for you...

The Earth did not crash into the sun. That’s my positive thought for the day.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep it's over

go away and don’t watch the rest of the series, bc obviously it’s over.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you think the season is over

Then please leave

Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog

by berselius on Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dont you have your own thread?

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Could be worse

Dodgers got it out of their system. Now their bats can go cold and we can try to avoid Manny.

It was in many ways a blow-out but imagine this. Had Dempster not given up the grandslam we still could have lost 3-2. That would have hurt even more. I know we’d have different people pitching but you get the point.

Let’s win tomorrow!

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT   0 recs

Pinella

Pinella and Henry should be hanged if the Cubs lose this series!

by sanks on Oct 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT   0 recs

Read the title of the damn post.

(HENDRY) and (PINIELLA) aren’t at fault here. We lost the game. That’s it.

Vent your frustrations somewhere else and stop making ridiculous posts just because you’re angry.

DeRosa: And who is the best and who is the worst card player?

Dempster: I think the best is yourself. [ . . .] I think the worst player is D-Lee. I think he bets every time just to bet.

by EJThunder on Oct 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow don't these guys have their own fan post?

what did either of those guys have to do with dempster not pitching well?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You should be banned

for sayng something so stupid.

by sue369 on Oct 2, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Should beat the dodgers

No excuse for losing to a 84 win team.

by sanks on Oct 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT   0 recs

We lost games to the Pirates.

The Red. I think we even lost a game to the Padres.

Good baseball teams lose to bad baseball teams all the time. It’s why they play the game, instead of just matching up numbers.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2008 2:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i believe

the cubs will win this series.
this team wont let anyone get away with coming into their field, and slapping them in the face 7 times
what do you say chicago?

by cubsmansince91 on Oct 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT   0 recs

This Team Has Shown...

….that it it is more than capable of royally sucking at times. Let’s face it, everything about this game game sucked – I won’t reiterate the details from the other post.

But this team has also won roughly three games for every two it has lost. Keep up that average and we’ll be just fine!

by MIMuggles on Oct 1, 2008 9:33 PM CDT   0 recs

go to the other post

your ledge is warm

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Regular Season

This team is great in the regular season!

How can you blame the Cubs for qualifying for post-season.

Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984

by Cub Fan Mike on Oct 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Look

Heres the deal, was it disappointing? Of course! But the team that we saw out there was not the same that we have seen all season. Post-season jitters whatever. You have to show a little faith in what they can do, think about it, all the guys that we have seen produce aside from De-Ro just didn’t have it tonight. I have to base my thoughts on the next games on the past performances, and if thats an indication, then the team with the best record in the NL is poised to put a hurt on the Dodgers heading on out. I still like our rotation past now that we are past Lowe…we have the advantage in that department.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:35 PM CDT   0 recs

My family had World series in 1984

That really hurt in 1984 and 2003. What makes you people think we will comeback?

by sanks on Oct 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Look man

Your pretty new around here, and in case you didn’t know this isn’t a blog for people who wish to lament and throw sack cloth and ashes on their heads. And making comparisons to past teams losses is pretty damned irrational — I don’t see the ’84 team or very much of what has remained from ’03. If you want to go on believing in foolish casual fan crap about curses and teams of the past then this is the wrong place.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

okay well this isn't the post for him...

go to the ledge jumpers fanpost

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My point

Which it is clear you failed to see, is that his “opinion” lacked reasoning or rational thought. I pointed out his lack of experience on the blog only to give him the benefit of the doubt. So you can put your hall monitor sash away, based on his prolific posts last nights I don’t think he needs a savior.

by StevenABQ on Oct 2, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Because thinking we can come back...

…beats the heck out of contemplating the alternate outcome. Don’t you agree?

by MIMuggles on Oct 1, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

let's not respond to this douche

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And another thing

We all knew that Torre was going to be aggresive…thats what they did they fought to get men in scoring position – they challenged the pitchers. We need to do the same thing, show them the patience we have at the plate.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Put up or shut up

Well I’ve read both the hate thread and the non hate thread and I think both miss the point. It isn’t about believing or ledge jumping, it is about the better team going out there and getting the job done no matter what. We had one for the taking and we let it go. I don’t want to hear about the fans, the umpire, managerial mover, the bullpen or anything. Go out there and beat the weaker team. Plain and simple. I actually think the crowd response was appropriate. You guys play like you are capable and we’ll support it, play the way you did tonight and you’ll hear crickets.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT   0 recs

100% agreed

The crowd will get into it if given a reason to.

by SuperContext on Oct 1, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed +

I happen to believe that they can go out there and play like they have all season. And I think that “faith” (if you even want to call it that) is based mostly on their performance over the season.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+Infinity

Anyone blaming the fans is a pathetic enabler. The players choked. Dempster was the worst, but Soriano, Lee and Soto were almost as bad.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Oct 1, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup yup

Man what did those guys do? Take a few Bendryls before the game?

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

grace

while i agree with you, the players are ultimately to blame, i believe the crowd plays a significant role in what happens on the field

part of me says, if i was there, i wouldn’t have sat down during the first couple innings….call it jealousy

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disagree...

…a home crowd can help and sometimes it can even hurt, but the players are the overwhelming determinent of the game outcome.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 1, 2008 10:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and i completely agree with you

re-read my post….i said the the players are ultimately to blame

but it doesn’t hurt to “use” the home field advantage

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I was there

I would look disgruntled, just how I looked at home. I almost cried again tonight for God’s sake. Make this insanity stop. For once, can this team step up and play like they belong there.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it ok to admit to almost crying during game 1 of the NLDS

that is lame right?

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 10:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

we'll be fine!

i really do believe that

had this been a heart breaking lose, i would be really nervous….but if z wins tomorrow (which he will) i have no doubt we win this series

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That is all it is about!

If I was lou I’d walk in there and say, we go to LA with a split, we’re fine. that simple, get it done tomorrow and this team is truly fine

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 10:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm thinking

Alot of bandwagoneers will be shelving their Cubs caps.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:44 PM CDT   0 recs

It is what it is

I’ve been on this wagon since 84 and despite the insanity I will be on it forever. I will say that I take comfort in one thing tonight and that is I’m glad we as fans seem to be past just being happy with making it. There seems to be a real sense of that just isn’t enough. Winning will come from that eventually, maybe even sooner than later.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear ya

I wouldn’t say your on the Bandwagon tho, I’ve read alot of your posts and you get it. 100% correct we all know what a good team this is and when they stink it up like tonight we have reason to be upset.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't think you were calling me out........

I just try to toe the line between the intense anger and the polyanna, because I can sympathize with it all, especially the anger. I think anger is appropriate after tonight. Is it productive, probably not, but I just know we all want this so bad, and when the players play as if this isn’t precious or play like it is too damn precious then we all have problems.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The balance

is very much appreciated…I really needed to see some honest Cubs fans thoughts, it will help me have a better attitude tomorrow – especially at work.

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

don't appreciate me too much.......

I’m just one more of those type of games away from reminding you all of how I feel about Soriano

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha!

Soriano is pretty much one of those games away from that for me!

by StevenABQ on Oct 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i hope you guys realize i am not saying

the players should be excused…..my post was intended to be a spot where the debbie downers wouldn’t come to discuss what went wrong in a thoughtful forum

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually think this thread is thoughtful

I feel like the frustration is tempered over here and people are gently speaking their minds. Am I wrong!

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 10:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee should moved down in the order

Lee hit into a million double plays this year. Let A Ram hit third.

by sanks on Oct 1, 2008 9:46 PM CDT   0 recs

How about Theriot batting 2nd?

He got on base more than Fukudome I think. Like him or hate him that’s the winning lineup during the regular season.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not knocking the frustation, but....

this team almost won 100 games. I don’t think who hits where in the lineup is the issue. I think it is key guys not stepping up when it really counts is the issue. They have a few more attempts to make this happen and I think they can, if they don’t then they will be labeled underachievers and rightfully so

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 9:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But
  1. hitter goes 0-4. #8 hitter goes 2-4. Game might still have turned out same way but I think we could have had a better chance.

Personally, I just don’t like how Lou manages the post season team. I’ll change my mind if we win a game two.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The results are lacking to say the least....

but how do you manage around Sori’s performance, Dempsters performance, D Lee’s performance (at times)? i just feel big time guys NEED to step up big time. Did Manny have jitters? Did Derek Lowe fall apart after DeRosa’s bomb?

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Oct 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nope

their money guys stepped up, ours didn’t

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well....

I had no problems with D Lee tonight. He played good defense and did get a hit and a walk.

Soriano I have not been a fan of since day 1 so his performance just gets mad upset. However having him in the #1 spot does the least amount of damage I think. He’s pretty much the A-Rod of the Cubs for post season.

And as for Dempster, he had control problems BUT the team wasn’t chasing him either. Usually they do. Perhaps they studied the tape and they were really really patient.

And as for Manny, he didn’t do too much with people on base. He hit a solo HR.

by ak123 on Oct 1, 2008 10:06 PM CDT to parent up