Question about Fan Lifelessness
Does anyone feel that perhaps the exorbitant cost of tickets may have weeded out the more animated fans and left us with spectators more concerned with attending an "event" than a Cubs game?
I may be pulling out the jump to conclusions mat here, considering the stands were plenty lively for game 3 last year, however these tickets must be drawing a far higher price tag than that series pulled.
Perhaps the more likely theory is that everyone is so terrified of horrible possibilities that they don't know how to conduct themselves in a usual fashion.
Thoughts?
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I don't know
but my guess is that the fans were, in general, really anxious about this game given the tone that it would set for the series. The fans that I saw didn’t necessarily look like disinterested rich people, they looked like really nervous Cub fans that have never seen a World Series in their lifetime. Kind of like I felt at home.
By the way
I was at Game 7 in 2003, and to me it looked like a carbon copy. A very grim “feel” to the game of inevitability. Sucks, but that’s what I observed both back then, and now.
the fans
I’m a season ticket holder to Wisconsin football. Almost every seat is held by season ticket holders and 99% of fans renew their season tickets from one game to the next, so for the most part, its the same fans over the course of 6 or 7 home games. The fact of the matter is that some games are very energetic, some games are not. The fans are really into some games from the kick-off and in others they are quiet and listless.
My point… I think that there are a wide variety of things that impact how much the fans get into a game. I was watching the game at a bar so I did not hear the crowd noise. IMO, part of how much the fans get into a game is due to the play and energy of the players on the field. The Cubs, even with their early lead, really didn’t develop a flow. Dempster walks guys left and right. The Cub batters couldn’t keep any kind of run going.
Perhaps this was due to who was at the game. Perhaps this was due to the colder temps. Or maybe the play on the field influenced the crowd.
When a pitcher...
…is struggling to throw strikes and walking guys, its like watching a long fuse burn and knowing its going to hit the dynamite at some point.
When it hit, I’m sure it was a big downer for the crowd.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I was there tonight
You could tell how anxious everyone there was. When DeRo’s homer made it out, you could feel a collective sense of relief that maybe this team wouldn’t completely crap the bed. They came out swinging.
With every Dempster walk, you could feel the nervous tension rising. Especially walks to pitchers and guys who haven’t swung the bat since May in front of the best hitter in the National League. We all knew it was going to bite us in the end if it continued, and each one was a little more excruciating than the last.
When Demp got Loney to 1-2, the place was loud. Really loud. And when he slugged it out, that was it. Wrigley was deflated. Beyond Ramirez’s double, or Edmonds’ near homer in the 8th, there was nothing to get excited about. The fact that the Dodgers kept tacking on runs as the night went on didn’t help either.
Was it lifeless? I suppose. But so was the play on the field.
I feel a little insulted, not necessarily in this post but in general, that my dedication to the team has been questioned for not cheering loud enough. That’s just how it is, I guess. If the Cubs win 10-1 tomorrow and Wrigley is rocking throughout, they’ll gladly take the credit as the “true” fans.
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
by Less is Walrond on Oct 1, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions
Let it be known
that I’m merely interested in conversation. I don’t blame the fans in any way. I’m usually very animated, even when I watch from the comfort of my home, and I can honestly say I was eerily silent throughout the night while sitting on my couch. Had I been there, I doubt I would of made much noise myself.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!
Yeah, that about sums it up.
Even after DeRo’s homer, it just didn’t feel like a playoff crowd. I’m not quite sure why.
It’d be nice to jump out to an early lead today. That would help bring everyone to life.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I'm going to the game tomorrow
And I’ve always been one of those aforementioned energetic fans. I plan to be a cheerleader and try to stave off more of that lifelessness.
LETS GO CUBS!
We didn’t come this far for a repeat of last year!
Say it again with me!
LETS GO CUBS!!!!!
I agree with everything said thus far.
A.) The grim feeling of inevitability.
B.) The flow of the game.
C.) Dempster’s walks sucking the life out of everything
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!
Well put
I think the walks were the worst. It’s one thing to get behind a pitcher thats getting knocked around a little bit and trying to help him through it. When your pitcher just cannot get the ball over and is walking guys like Derek Lowe, you feel pretty helpless.
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
by Less is Walrond on Oct 1, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's all about money.
The prices they set for face value i can deal with. It’s when the Cubs partner up with Stub Hub and Ticketbrokers, they release huge percentage of their tickets to them. It’s wrong for paying above face-value. For the majority, it’s the wrong people in the stands during the playoffs for the Cubs because they support Stub Hub if they can’t get a ticket otherwise. It’s a shame.
Man, i hate those overgrown 8th grader look alike Brewer fans.
I don't think the percentage of "rich" fans is much higher than usual.
For the most part premium boxes and luxury suites go to corporate types though many ARE good fans. My section tonight had all the regulars and I confess I scalped my tickets for tomorrow ( I will be in the bleachers) but to a very dedicated Cub fan. When tickets are $300-$1000 for the good seats it is actually real fans who buy most of them.I did not notice the fans being that sober. They were plenty noisy during the intros. In fact my PET PEEVE is that they were TOO damn noisy. I HATE it when fans get up and cheer SECOND strikes. I just feel it makes the batter more likely to hit not less and it is ONLY A SECOND STRIKE. Tonight people did it over and over only to see it turn into walks and home runs. It is I know an icconiclast view it but I just don’t want to stand and cheer while Manny is batting with two strikes on him.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Maddux
I was at the game and I gave Maddux a personal standing ovation when he was introduced. I was surprised that the general response seemed to be so tepid. Granted, he got a better hand than anyone else on the Dodgers did but it seemed like most folks sat on their hands…
And I’d do the same for Jamie Moyer if, hopefully, we get to see him introduced to the crowd…
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 2, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he got the ONLY hand for a Dodger
I thought the fans were just plains stupid booing everyone from assistant trainers to Nomar.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 2, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I would also LOVE to give Jaime a hand this year.
and while were at it how bout Cliff Floyd. I would be more than happy to give him a sincere & warm round of applause.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 2, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Bill Simmons (who annoys the piss out of me these days)...
talks about the “outpricing” of the most rabid fans quite a bit. It makes sense…but not as much for the Cubs. I remember one of his biggest cases was the Golden State crowd, which went from fanatical to dreary after their one great playoff series.
Free Ronny Cedeno
Oh, come on...
they win the damn game, and there’s plenty of noise. They get their collective asses kicked — what the hell did you expect? Of course the crowd was — quiet! We so infrequently SEE THEM WIN A HOME PLAYOFF GAME, WE NEVER HEAR THE GOOD STUFF.
Yeah, you are jumping to conclusions. Just a little bit.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2008 1:57 AM CDT reply actions
Completely agree...
…for the most part, fans are more nervous during these games than the players are, because you have no control over what is happening on the field. It’s up to the team to get the fans in the game and Dempsters performance, could not have been more of a downer for the fans. It was like playing Russian Roulette, you knew the walks were going to kill him at some point, you just didn’t know which batter would make him pay.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Exactly...
… real simple formula: team good = fans loud. team bad = fans quiet. team really bad, fans boo.
There's a game for that...
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 2, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea I thought I was...
but after watching some of the other playoff games, I’m not convinced.
I think a normal Cubs crowd would’ve reacted a lot louder to Demp’s 3rd inning 3-2 punchout of Ethier, not to mention DeRo’s 2-run shot.
People were anxious. And they were afraid. Does that have something to do with recent and not-so-recent playoff performance? Absolutely.
But there were plenty of chances early where the stands were reserved where they are usually rowdy
-and again, I am not placing any blame, I simply feel it is a truth worth noting.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!
No Excuses!
Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the f*** happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
I want my Macias!
i was at the game as well
granted i only go to 3-6 games a year as an out-of-towner, but I thought the crowd was trying multiple times to get in it. Even when the team was down 6-2, the Crowd was still trying to get “Lets Co Cubs” chants going. Of the games i’ve been to it was one of the more energetic crowds i’ve been around. The play on the field just didn’t sustain any momentum in the stands.
The other thing i noticed on WGN games is that they hang microphones down into the stands to capture more of the noise, maybe this is why the crowd came off as more tepid to the tv viewer.
Also i don’t see how the pricing argument holds up here. Season ticket holders were the same and then the people who got tickets largely got them through the lottery system where you were able to pay face value. I haven’t been able to get Cubs tickets for face value in 3 years and for this game I was able to get tickets for $25 a pop. I actually think the way MLB did it having so many less tickets available to ticket brokers and scalpers made it less expensive to get in the ballpark than any other time i’ve been around
With that said I do have my gripes with Cubs fans, and they are as following:
1) STOP leaving your section during innings. Why do people do this constantly? I must’ve gotten up out of my set double digit times during the middle of an inning last night. At times it happened when the bases were loaded and 2 outs, i couldn’t believe it
2) I was astounded by the lack of knowledge in the stands and the willingness to just give up on players so quickly. DLee was on base in 2 of his 4 PA’s last night and because of the 1 DP, HOffpauir chants were starting… its disgusting.
3) The language in the stands was appalling. The guy next to my father and I did not utter a single sentence without the F word the entire night. I’m not against the use of vulgarity but if children are around… c’mon
4) The general lack of belief in this team was evident in our section. People left during the 7th inning and the whole atmosphere was like being in a game thread here with all the ledge jumpers
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 2, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply actions
At every park
there are idiotic fans. What really pisses me off is the Hoffpauir chants. How dumb can people be? That’s pathetic. In general, I think booing your team should be reserved for terrible situations/player efforts. I mean come on, what are we Philly fans?
Lets do it Cubbies
I don't care..
that Ryan was having trouble finding the strike zone. As a fan, if you aren’t clapping at every strike and yelling at every out, then you have no business buying a ticket for any playoff game. I thought I was watching the Marlins play their last home game of the season by the noise I heard last night. Don’t give me this excuse that the fans need something to cheer about. The fans set the tone for the game and if what happened last night happens tonight it’s over. I drove 700 miles three times this summer and I cheered my head off all game long from the first series in April to the last time I went in July. If you read this and are going to the game tonight I better hear you and everyone around you from the first pitch by Z to the final strike out by Kerry.
Fans...
I went to The Cubby Bear last night thinking that the atmosphere in there would be electric, I was sorely mistaken. I seriously felt like I was back in college at a lame frat party. After Loney’s GS, people were more interested in getting wasted and picking up girls than watching the game.
I had to get the hell out of there, especially after Manny’s HR, people went from not caring to not caring less… if that’s possible.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."

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