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Building A Cubs Champion: Curses! Foiled Again!

This post isn't going to be about what you think, at least not from the title (yeah, I decided to get cute. So sue me).

Fred Merkle's curse. Goats. Black cats. Bartman. These are things that you haven't seen me discuss much here -- because what do they have to do with baseball? To me, they seem the lazy mass media reporter's crutch for trying to explain the inexplicable.

Think about it. There are a number of other teams, both baseball and other professional sports, that have had championship droughts of decades -- some now broken -- and never did you hear about such frivolous things. Only the Red Sox had one (and JUST one) -- the "Curse of the Bambino" -- and that wasn't real, it was the invention of a Boston sportswriter, Dan Shaughnessy, in the 1980's. The White Sox (88 years, now broken), the Indians (60 years), the Giants (54 years) in baseball; the New York Rangers (54 years, now broken), the Blackhawks (47 years) in hockey; the Detroit Lions (51 years) and the Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals (61 years), all teams with long title droughts -- no excuses, no cutesy little stories, nothing.

So why do the Cubs have these? Why are we the ONLY team with a sports drought that has it shoved down our throats? It can't be simply the length of the drought -- the White Sox drought was nearly as long before it was broken. Part of the answer lies in what I said above -- laziness on the part of mass media reporters and columnists. Not wanting to delve into the real problems, they fall back on something easy, something they've heard of.

It doesn't help matters any when the chairman of the team -- and don't get me wrong, I happen to like Crane Kenney and what he's done for this team in the last two years -- hires a priest to spray holy water in the dugout before the first game of the NLDS, just after Lou Piniella had carefully spent the entire season getting his team to concentrate on nothing but baseball.

And focusing on baseball is the way it should be. I thought long and hard before making this post (figuring it'd probably be taken the wrong way), but since this kind of stuff has been heaped on us, it's time for it to stop. No more baseballs blown up and served in pasta. If you as a fan are asked to give an interview about goats, walk away from the camera. If some fan of another team taunts you about Bartman (and I can't understand the Cardinals fans who buy a jersey with their team name on it with "BARTMAN" on the back. What's THAT about?), just turn the other cheek.

This is the last time you will see me write about ANY of this stuff on this site. Why did I do it this time? Because these things have been part of Cubs lore and I think they shouldn't be. We need to leave them in the dust and focus on management and players. This is a call to reporters, columnists, and yes, team management.

Stop the cute stuff. Ignore it. Be done with it. I am.

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Huge amen.

Al, great post and I think something you said earlier came back to me on this one. You were talking about self-promoters like Woo Woo Wickers. That is what this is all about, self-promoters — the worst of them being Sianis himself, who was known for using anything and everything to promote his tavern. Most people use these sotries to promote themselves, a product, a business, heck probably most importantly thier own words in ink. That is why it exists — and why it should end.

First?

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 10:24 AM CDT   0 recs

Oh St. Louis Cardinal fans

They tell me everyday how much better they are than the Cubs. How they are the class of baseball and the greatest thing since sliced bread. Yet they seem to be quite obsessed with our silly little team.

End my mini rant.

Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #2/3 5-0 (1-0). Next up Okie State at home. Live on ESPN in primetime for the second week in a row. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!

by nji232 on Oct 10, 2008 10:25 AM CDT   0 recs

Sorry Al

But I was composing my post while you were putting this up. I stand by it though. You gotta have some fun. That is what baseball is all about.

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 10:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Fun? Sure.

But this stuff isn’t fun any more, if it ever was.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fun

is different for everyone. Sure, you may not find it fun, but others may. Does it matter? No.

So NOW, after 100 years, you’re “done with it?” surprised it’s took that long!

by serbianking33 on Oct 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is at the very core of the entire issue....

..outside of winning of course.

I have been telling any Cubs fan who will listen that all of the ancillary garbage is just that, garbage. If you want the national media and other baseball fans to treat the orgainization with respect you cant promote the sideshow crap. When Cub fans buy into it all of it, we give the media a free license to report about it and basically promote it.

It starts with the fans and it has to end with fans.

Certainly Crane didnt help the cause last week, but that is for another post…

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Oct 10, 2008 10:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Isn't

Isn’t saying Crane Kenney hurt the team by doing what he did no different than blaming a curse?

I really doubt the players saw that and it magically zapped their abilities.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 10, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not saying he hurt the team, I am saying he reinforced the absurd notion..

..that there is a curse and gave the media endless fodder to continue the discussion

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Oct 10, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Just Win, Baby!"

Isn’t that what Al Davis said? Well now BCBers and Al Yellon can say it too.

Just win, baby. And the Raiders, for a long time, did.

I am a displaced Cubs fan — ten years on the east coast — though still have my season tickets at Wrigley. I will tell you, being exposed to it first hand, neither the Yankees nor Yankee fans would put up with b/s excuses. Hate them or love them, the Yankees expect to win, the fans expect them to win, the attitude pervades management and the players, and more often than not, they do win.

To quote a former Yankee: “90% of this game is half mental.” And this is the problem with the Cubs players, management, media, and some of the fans. Get the right MENTAL attitude and then we might have something.

100 years over. New tradition and new attitude begin NOW.

by cubfanjim on Oct 10, 2008 10:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Ignoring it Doesn't Help

But if we treat all the curse stuff as just a big joke then perhaps others will realize that this isn’t the reason the Cubs are losing.

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 10:38 AM CDT   0 recs

I think its better to point out

The ignorance of it, nobody wants to look like an idiot JB 23 makes a good point, the fans have alot of say in promoting these ideas or calling them out for what they are as noted above – Garbage.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope you were just kidding.

Doing the stuff you suggested simply perpetuates the idea of the Cubs and Cubs fans as a joke. We NEED to get away from that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The idea of making it a joke

While I know seems inocuous, really just promotes the “kids stuff – fun and games” mentality that alot of people place on these ideas. It diminishes our team, it speaks to all those casual fans that don’t care whether the team wins or loses because its the “Cubbies”. Like we really are not taken seriously in the sport of baseball, but its ok because we have a cute little bear in our logo. It pisses me off, and no I will not embrace and such stupidity.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 10:44 AM CDT   0 recs

Lou and Schottzie's Hair

I thought having Marge Schott rub Schottzie’s dog hair, on Lou Piniella’s chest, for good luck, in Cincinnati, was pretty creepy.

The spraying of the holy water in the Cubs dugout before the NLDS paled in comparison, but I still didn’t like it.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 10, 2008 10:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Al, haven't really been ready to post

much on here since, you know…. but I agree that this is a good time to get all this off our chests, cleanse ourselves from all the bull crap and hopefully our group of fans here on BCB come back next year determined to focus on the discussion of our baseball team and nothing else.

Thanks for pointing out the fact that all of us here have to learn to be better fans because the media and fans of other teams are certaintly not going to stop what they’re doing.

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by tony412 on Oct 10, 2008 10:48 AM CDT   0 recs

I could not agree more with this

When someone asks you why the Cubs haven’t won the World Series in 101 years, and haven’t been in 64, look them dead in the eye and say, “They haven’t been good enough” or “The other team has been better.”

It’s that simple. In 1969, the Cubs’ arms faltered and the Mets were a hot team. In 1984, the Cubs didn’t play good defense and the Padres were talented. In 1989, the Giants simply were better in almost every way.

In 1998, the Cubs were tired and Atlanta was the dominant NL team of the era. In 2003, a bunch of players failed in key situations and Prior and Wood just were too tired.

In 2007 and 2008, the team underrated the NL West opponent and the bats failed. This year they faced a team with arguably the best postseason hitter of the modern era and three underrated pitchers who matched up perfectly with the Cubs.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Make it about where we failed and the othe rteam succeeded.

And ostracize every Cubs fan you meet that insists on keeping the curses alive. Tell them you won’t be their friend. Refuse to sit with them at games. Tell them they can’t date your daughter or marry your sister or eat your mother’s cooking.

Ridicule them in posts on here too.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

Well said

The other teams have been better – especially in 2003. And if not always better, they’ve played better. We lost – live with it.

Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!

by Ihatethecards on Oct 10, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Oct 10, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I will say this...

The Indians had kind of a resurgence with their curse with the Major League movies. A few years later, they were in two World Series’ in three years.

A little different. The Indians, I think, were pathetic for about 40 years. The Cubs at least had glimmers in the late 60s and the 80s. The Indians had nothing at all from the late 50s to the 90s.

But other than that, I do not recall teams morbidly celebrating the curses like this.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 10:51 AM CDT   0 recs

Do you think

It has to do with Chicago media? I kinda felt that Wrigley field in general attracts people to keep this stuff alive — not that you don’t have t-shirt vendors in front of other parks…but something is different. What is it that breeds this stuff for our team?

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A few things

1) The number — 101 years is longer than Boston’s was and almost twice as long as any current drought. It is eye-popping.

2) Wrigley — The ivy, the beer, the day games, the scoreboard. That all is old stuff. It invites you to think about the past, not the future. The Angels, White Sox and Indians (at least getting to the World Series) all broke their droughts after new parks.

Fenway was like that too, though, so maybe there is hope.

3) The spectacular failures. Let’s face it, if the Cubs had trailed the Mets all season in 1969, or if they got swept by the Padres and Marlins, perhaps it wouldn’t be as prominent. The focus would be more on the sucktitude than the “they were up — let’s see how they blow it”!

4) Inability to celebrate the few successes. The strangest damn thing about Boston is that they seemed to be able to get past it. Carlton Fisk was lionized for a Game 6 play, but the team lost. You almost never seem to hear about the Reds winning… We don’t have anything like that.

5) The cute little teddy bear logo hurts. Ron Santo being a symbol of failure does as well.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

All great points. I do think one of things that helped Boston too, was that the team that went all the way had some “street cred” I mean they pretty much were a bunch of bad asses (idiots). In addition, maybe the laid back midwestern style of our fan base kind of allows these little jabs.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

At some point...

You have to consider the possibility that two evenly matched teams in New York and Boston just had a weird series. It’s never been mathematically impossible for one team to win three and then the other to win four. Just very hard to do.

You’ll never convince me that some of those players, deep down, were just as stunned as the rest of us.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Angels did not get a new park

They refurbished their current park, but they did not get a new facility. Anaheim Stadium has had three major iterations over the years, but they have all been in the same place.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband

by Ross on Oct 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough...

It just seemed new.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as you're talking about Ron Santo, I'd agree.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, it's very arguable whether...

…Ron Santo is a “symbol of failure.” The man has overcome a remarkable number of physical challenges in his life, was one of the best third basemen in Cubs history and should be in the Hall of Fame. I would say failure is in the eye of the beholder.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 10, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely...

But he is also the guy who clicked his heels after every win (Was that actually cool in 1969? Just seems a little…not cool now)

He’s the guy who was in the on-deck circle.

And more importantly, he’s the guy who shouts, “OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”

Or ’JEEZ!" or “GOD!” or “MAN!”

Ron Santo is the first fan to cry when the littlest thing goes wrong.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I love Ron...

…but I must admit I’m finding it hard to argue with that.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 10, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But let me say again...

You’re absolutely right that he is a symbol of perserverance and dignity and courage in his life. I wonder if I could handle one-tenth of the adversity he’s faced.

It’s it’s his fan life that he gets a little whiny :)

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he speaks for all of us when he does that.

Not very articulately, of course, but tell me that you don’t feel that way when things go wrong.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not every thing

I respect Ronnie and admire him for handling all the adversity life has brought him with dignity.

But, cripes — he moans during Cactus League games.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 10, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He wants to win very badly.

Don’t you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

But when the smallest thing goes wrong, I don’t whine about it.

When it’s something that I can control, I try to overcome it. When it isn’t (like the Cubs), I hope that they can overcome it. If a pitcher falls behind 2-0 in the third inning of a scoreless game, he reacts like the opposition just put the tying run at third to start the ninth.

For years now, any time a call goes against the Cubs, he acts like they got screwed and repeats the offending umpire’s name over and over. His objectivity is long gone and in the last couple of years, his perspective during the games seems to have vanished as well.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 10, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ronnie

Is a living, breathing, whining version of the AC sign.

Any player listening to Santo probably rolls his eyes to the heavens. God help us if they actually get discouraged by his antics.

Ron does behave like a lot of fans do. But I wouldn’t want a lot of fans in his job.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point on the last two sentences

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 10, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, those last two sentences...

…are why it’s hard for me to argue with you. Let me say again that I love Ron and wish him only the best. But there was a period at the end of this season when Pat Hughes and Corey Provus were doing the radio coverage and, without Ron there, the broadcasts had a much crisper, focused feel to them.

I’m starting to think that, if this team is to start focusing more on baseball than its dubious history – the way many of us want them to – Ron may be hurting more than helping. Because, unfortunately, he does tend to bring raw emotions and sentimentality to the table ather than real analysis.

Of course, it’s highly unlikely the Cubs would ever fire Ron, as doing so would be a public relatons nightmare. And, to be honest, part of me would be sad to see him go. But I’m starting to better understand why a number of folks wish he’d retire from the booth.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 10, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From a technical standpoint...

…Santo is probably the worst color commentator in the history of sports.

With that said, you can’t help but have a soft spot in your heart for the guy, but I will admit, he is getting more and more difficult to listen to.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 10, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

One last time

and I’m not ripping on you, MPH73.

Ronnie is there as a cheerleader, not color guy. Even though it’s his “function” on paper.

Take out the expectations you used to have for Stoney when he was here and BB now.

NO ex-PLAYER wears his heart on his sleeve doing broadcasts like Ronnie.

If you don’t know why Ronnie is in the booth, you’re gonna continue to have a misconception about him. What other teams do, I could care less. I sunc up ‘GN radio with the TV broadcast for the NLDS so I didn’t have to listen to that complete moron, Dick Stockton. Now if you want an egregious person behind the mike, there’s a place to start.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Oct 10, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand completely...

…why Santo is in the booth and the fact that he is a cheerleader very very well.

I’m actually ok with those things because it is a very unique situation and I never expect Ron to give me any objective insightful analysis.

The part that bothers me a bit is he seems to really be going downhill fast. I don’t know if it his health or what, but the last few weeks of the season he really appeared out of it. I hope the best for him, especially with the HOF vote, but as I said, it is getting more and more painful to listen to him.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 10, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In my opinion...

I think Ron was on eggshells more than any of us at the end of the season. During the epic losing streak, he really didn’t know what to say, which carried over into the post-season.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 12, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My guess?

It’s his health. There won’t be too much said unless it requires hospitalization. Though my mother never required any amputations, I did see first hand how diabetes can make people succomb. Ronnie, IMHO is on the down side and it’s beginning to accelerate.

It’s difficult at times to listen to him even though he’s just a fan behind the mike. I worry for him often and fear the HoF scumbags will not vote him in before he passes on. Let’s hope the news Dec. 8th will change that.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Oct 14, 2008 7:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, clicking his heels was not cool.

And it came at a time before batters posed to watch their homers fly out of the park. Showing up the other team in anyway was considered bush and Santo went way way beyond bush with his heel clicking.

by the nth on Oct 10, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oddly, it was encouraged by his manager.

Who should have known better.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True. There are many things

Leo shouid have known better.

by the nth on Oct 10, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I get that it wasn't appropriate...

But it also seems…well, girly.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 10, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tell My Why

Clicking your heels at the end of a victory is any better then a high five at the end of a game. Or for that matter the outfield bump!

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+10000

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 10, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was 1969, not 2008 and self promotion..

…was basically unheard of in that era. (from what I have read, Al or others who were there can chime in here)

There are many who say that alone pissed off his peers so much, it has hurt him to this day.

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Oct 10, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gil Hodges Took Ronnie To Task

During a series at Wrigley in 1969, Hodges and Ronnie exchanged lineup cards at the plate. In his calm/bland style, Hodges said to Ronnie “You remind me of one of our guys – Tug McGraw. When he came up as a rookie he used to jump around and act immature, but he doesn’t do that anymore.” Then Hodges turned and walked back to the dugout.

The heel-clicking was definitely seen as “bush” and BS back then.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 10, 2008 11:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've heard this before

And I think it is CLASS for us to realize it.

by StevenABQ on Oct 11, 2008 1:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry

But it is different…apples to oranges…

The game and “players” have changed…I don’t recall Drysdale pointing to the sky after a no-hitter….or Milt Pappas.

Just sayin’….its relative.

by StevenABQ on Oct 11, 2008 1:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Teddy bear has nothing to do with it...

No more than any curse does, which is zero. If they have the best talent, they should win wearing pink!

by cubfanjim on Oct 10, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lighten' Up Francis!

You guys all need to take a breath. While I agree that the curse talk is anoying and if I hear another Bartman taunt I’m likley to snap, I’m trying to find an alternative way to vent. By the way, no one seems to be talking about the ‘Lovable Loser’ moniker that the Cubs have been carrying. I have pointed out to many that this is not true anymore since the Cubs have had 4 winning seasons in the last 6.

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 10:54 AM CDT   0 recs

They key is Education

Thats what it is. All of us can help to make such nonsense go way, mainly its about educating our fellow fans that this stuff is nonsense. And pointing out exactly the kind of facts you have mentioned (eg; 4 winning seasons). Will the media still promulgate this stuff, sure, but they will look more more ridiculous if fans were more vocal about it.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They don't believe in curses

But they think its “fun and games” to look at the Cubs as this sad sack tale of futility. A team worthy of liking simply because they feel sorry for it. A team not to take seriously…that is what I’m talking about, that is where people, in particular the sports media should learn that there are historical factors that created this drought. If people were not so lazy, they would look at the facts and appear smarter for pointing them out.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But we are a Sad Sack team

and therefore people will continue to like us as the underdog until we kick some ass!

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats where your wrong

We are not a sad sack team, while old man Wrigley may have set us back, our team continues to spend money to make a winning team. And we continue to be contenders…97 wins a sad sack team. Your attitude is part of the problem.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me clarify...

Perhaps we are not a sad sack team but we are not a winner yet. There are few prizes given out for the regular season. Until we win either a pennant or a WS we are still going to be called a Sad Sack team.

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh by the way.

If we are going to ignore all of the curse taqlk then we should stop invoking the history of old man Wrigley. That is so ’70s

by Chodes on Oct 10, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The reason the Cubs stunk for two decades or more...

… was Wrigley’s actions. That’s no “curse”, that’s what was done — or more correctly, NOT done — to try to win. Wrigley, after the 1940’s, wasn’t really trying to win. That’s a valid topic of discussion.

That, at least, has changed.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 10, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen

Valid and historically accurate, unlike the land of make believe.

by StevenABQ on Oct 10, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

P.K. Wrigley Ruined The Cubs

His father, William, was the Steinbrenner of his day – sparing no expense to bring in the best players and try to win a championship. It’s only because it was William’s dying request of P.K. not to sell the team that P.K. – a guy that didn’t really like baseball – held onto the club. And during his tenure as owner, he put much more emphasis on the experience of coming out to Beautiful Wrigley Field than he did on investing in talent and hiring the proper scouts and general managers.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 10, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

CaliCub

Nail on the head. AWESOME. This is why I love this blog…

by StevenABQ on Oct 11, 2008 1:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oddly...

… the Cubs, in the first decade or so of PK’s ownership, DID go out and get good players, or at least try to — they spent a ton of money bringing an injured Dizzy Dean over from the Cardinals (spent $185,000, a huge amount of $ during the Depression), and did win three pennants after William Wrigley died.

After 1945, things changed — PK was rarely seen at the ballpark, spending most of his time in his home in Lake Geneva. I have NO evidence for this claim, but it seems possible to me that he may have suffered a stroke sometime in the late 1940’s. His bizarre creation of the College of Coaches, and refusal to put lights in Wrigley Field, suggest to me tha