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OK, AC sign, curses, what's next?

I've got one.

Ditch the celebrity 7th inning stretch singing of "Take Me Out To the Ball Game"

It's a clownish event that distracts from the game. Usually, we're just watching, if we watch at all, for a train wreck like Jeff Gordon or Ozzy Osbourne. And I would rather Len and Bob not have to spend the entire bottom half of the 7th talking about so-and-so's new movie.

So, get rid of it. Harry is dead. He was overrated to begin with. Let Brenly do it every day or drag some fan up to do it every day. Or get rid of it.

If it's all about changing the culture, let's get rid of all the goofy.

And get rid of that stupid Harry cariacture on the building. Teams with success honor their players. We honor a drunk buffoon who didn't even spend the majority of his career with the Cubs.

 

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by dtpollitt on Oct 12, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a radical suggestion.

We could try putting a better player at shortstop!

by cwyers on Oct 12, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

scrappy scrappy doooooooooooo!

opps, i didn’t mean to use those 2 “s’s”

by LT on Oct 12, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see where your going with this

And its easy to go there, I mean after all the discussions we have had about the crap that we would like to see disappear, because it does nothing for our franchise. I agree with the celebrity thing, most of the time, these people have very little knowledge of the Cubs and are just there to plug their movie, book, etc.

Disagree on the Harry thing, look he is a very important part of Cubs broadcasting history, and I believe the sign (on the building and in front of the broadcasting booth) serves to honor that – I have no problem with it. There is nothing wrong with not being the biggest fan of the guy or his style…to me he fit a period, I remember him when I was a kid, and that time has passed. A new page has turned but does not make the last page irrelevant.

I also think it is fair to credit him with creating a wonderful atmosphere for the fans and the audience. To many people he may be the most beloved part of the Cubs. Last, unlike some of the other silly stuff like the AC sign, Harry is not a symbol of losing, if anything he is a symbol of not being afraid to call it what it is when players do not perform.

by StevenABQ on Oct 12, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let Brenly do it every day?

If anyone should do it every time, it’s Santo

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by berselius on Oct 12, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

But thats kind of a tall order, alot of games for him to be screaming up there all the time. Maybe they could just use a recording.

by StevenABQ on Oct 12, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think every once in a while

They should just play a recording of Harry. Or I think it would be cool that for one season they should have fans sing it every game. So far the two fans (Dustin R.I.P. and the guy this year) have done a GREAT job. Although doing that would take away from the contest….

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 12, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe just one celebrity...

per home series, with Brenly/Kasper/Santo doing the rest?

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Oct 12, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, this is a minor thing in the grand scheme of things.

But I agree with you. In fact, I ran into John McDonough in spring training in 1999, after they had done it for only one year. I told him it had been a nice tribute to Harry but they should drop it.

You can see how far that got. It turned into nonsensical celebrity worship, and you’re right, it doesn’t have anything positive to do with the Cubs and the future.

Will eliminating it win a single game? No, it won’t. But maybe it will help get the focus back on baseball where it belongs.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But...

at 90% of the other MLB parks, it’s all side show. There’s barely a down minute. There’s nothing wrong with this unique feature. Most of the ‘stretches’ at other ball parks are barely noticible, because of constant ‘entertainment’ …flinging hot dogs or t-shirts into the stands, ugly mascots who stand on their heads, strident video features, trivia contests, exploding scoreboards, LED’s flashing, strobes flickering, cheerleaders, etc, etc AND etc…..or any of the other ’in-game" features that you can find in 99% of the other MLB parks.

The 7th inning has become unique to Wrigley. It changes daily. That’s about all there is, when it comes to ‘special entertainment.’ Sometimes, the feature goes off the rail, but that’s a quirk that makes it entertaining — its’ unpredictability.

I see no problem with this feature whatsoever. It doesn’t detract one iota from the Wrigley experience. The aftermath may be distracting on the game broadcast, (I’ll agree with that) but that’s another story.

And it sure ain’t the reason why this team keeps taking a dive in the post-season.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 12, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000

I think it’s a great tradition, a fun one, an American one. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

What we need next are a couple of LH power hitters who will crush the freaking ball, scratch out hits and run like hades.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 12, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play a recording of Harry

Maybe get Chip or someone else related to Harry to come back for the home opener or the last home game of the regular season.

Otherwise, it’s done. It ended for me when Jack Buck put on a freaking Cardinals hat. I wish I could have pitched him out of the booth.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 12, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did this one day at spring training...

…. a couple of years after Harry died. (Playd a recording)

It was weird and eerie. They never did it again.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd Give It Another Shot

Maybe folks were taken by surprise at first – can’t say I blame them. I say try it for a while and see if the crowd gets used to it. Actually what would help sell this is a Jumbotron clip of Harry leading the crowd from his perch in the booth!

::ducks for cover suggesting a Jumbotron::

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 12, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your key phrase is

“Wrigley experience”

The only experience worthwhile is a win.

Friends of mine drove five hours to see Game 2. What a waste of time and money.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 12, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you, SDSJM

the one thing I hate going to Chase is all the crap going on every second there is a break in the action. But, I would tend to think that most of us “old timers” think along these same lines. I don’t need all the hullabaloo going on to keep my interest in the game, even if I go to a game by myself, I always find someone to talk to about baseball and that’s part of the joy of going to a game for me. Same thing with hockey, I hate all the promotions and crap going on. I also understand that these do generate revenue for the teams, so it’s a necessary evil in sports today.

But back on point, I still enjoy the 7th inning stretch, maybe if they only did it during the rubber game of each series, it would make it more special and the Cubs wouldn’t have to fill 81 slots with maybe 10 good singers and 70 or so poor ones.

Of all the promotions and activities that go on during the game, the stretch is one of the most tolerable.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 13, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ok with celebrities taking their turn, but here's the deal

no plugging their latest movie, books, tv shows, concerts, etc. I get it – you’re a star. BFD. At Wrigley Field on a fine summers day, your Q factor may get you in the booth, but at this particular point in time, your body of work doesn’t mean diddley squat to me.

Tell me why you’re a Cubs fan. Tell me what the Cubs mean to you. Tell me about the first time your dad (or mom, grandparents, etc.) took you to Wrigley Field. I love it when I hear Conan O’Brien and Jeff Garlin talk about when they lived two houses down on Kenmore. Or the old-timers about trying to sneak in and flipping seats.

And yes, I’d even suffer through listening to Gov. Blago run off at the mouth, as long as he was talking about the Cubs and left the political garbage at the door.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 12, 2008 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

The problem is, that’s what 2/3 of those people are there for, and that’s because the Cubs marketing department wants it that way.

You’re right, a lot of those people have nothing to do with the Cubs. Dump those, at least.

If you want someone to do it in the spirit of Harry, the only choice is Santo — because the whole reason Harry started it in the first place, while he was with the White Sox, is because he told Bill Veeck he couldn’t sing — and that’s exactly what Veeck wanted. Santo fits that bill perfectly, a fan favorite who isn’t really a singer.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So long as the game is in hand one way or the other...

meaning we’re way ahead or way behind, I always root for an 8-pitch, 1-2-3 inning in the bottom of the 7th.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 12, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Santo would take on that responsibility.

He is a humble guy, and I get the feeling he is annoyed with having to sing on the days that he is slotted. He seems, to me at least, to be 100% focused on the game, and he probably considers singing a distraction.

I agree with your thoughts and worf’s as well. The celebrity deal adds to the circus by throwing another clown into the mix. I mean, who the hell wants to listen to the latest “American Idol” reject froth at the mouth for half an inning?

Simon LeBon from Duran Duran? Are you kidding me? Does he even know what a baseball is???

Check out this list of the singers – its organized by category. list

I do like the crowd singing though – and I would probably be in favor of playing a recording of Harry. Or how about Banks? He seems to always be there anyway.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 12, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bea Arthur????

Seriously????

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 12, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yah those ones are ridiculous

The Cubs outta have a Cub’s IQ test and in order to sing you gotta pass the test. Question 1: True or false, the Cubs play at Wrigley Stadium?

Also, anyone who doesn’t say “LET’S GET SOME RUNS!” afterwards, immediately get’s slimed, Double Dare style.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 12, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on the plugs.

I don’t necessarily mind having a different “celebrity” come in and sing it each game, although I would prefer a recording of Harry. But the interview that follows, in the bottom of the 7th, is what drives me nuts. Late in the game, and we’re talking about Johnny Actor’s newest movie, or Joe Lead Singer’s next CD. It’s a freaking baseball game… talk about baseball!

by kanderber on Oct 12, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't they limit it to

people directly related to Chicago sports, with the obvious exceptions(Murray, Uecker, etc)? I could easily come up with 82 Chicago athletes that could sing during the season. This would keep it relevant, and the interviews will be interesting to Chicago sports fans

by stadiumguru on Oct 12, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Like This Idea

+1

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 12, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Celebrity Cub Fans

like Jeff Garlin, John Cusack, Jim Belushi, Murray, etc. I know you mentioned that but I’m sure I can think of enough celebrity Cub fans who’d fit the bill without having to promote a product without limiting it primarily to athletes (which wouldn’t be bad at all, to be honest).

I like your idea a lot, very cool!

by AeroZach on Oct 12, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please Include Bonnie Hunt

Cute, funny, perky, and a lifelong fan. And you guys thought I had it bad for Sarah Palin! :-p

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 12, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Sports Illustrated chick

’nuf said

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 12, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, too?

I’ve loved Bonnie forever. My kinda gal.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 13, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right,

anyone with a connection to Chicago. I don’t mind when someone does a bad job(Ditka), but I do mind when someone has no clue(Nascar dude). With my “rules”, you still have a list that could last several seasons.

by stadiumguru on Oct 13, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do the Cubs make any money

by allowing the celebs to plug their movies or books or whatever? Or do they not have to pay their expenses to get them there by letting them have an inning commercial?

by LT on Oct 12, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do the Cubs make money ..?

Is water wet?

Do chads hang?

Is John Kruk an idiot?

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 12, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep the Celebrity "Singing"

That’s become a tradition at Wrigley Field. It needs to stay. I would ask that the people conducting have some rooting interest for the Cubs. That’s not a requirement. It’s a fun part of the Wrigley Field experience.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 7:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a contrived "tradition" that needs to go.

It’s less than 10 years old and was invented by the marketing department.

Enough, already.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harry's Was "Contrived", Too

Good heavens, it’s not like the guy had his “singing” going out over the PA at Sportsman’s Park in St. Louis in 1945. That didn’t start until 1977 when he was at Comiskey Park because of Bill Veeck. When he got to Wrigley in 1982, the “tradition” was less than five years old. You could even have said it was a White Sox thing. I’m a little surprised it went over well at the Friendly Confines. Most people associate Harry’s singing with the Cubs and not the White Sox, now.

The “celebrity” thing has been something’s that has worked well for the marketing department. I don’t think they need to have one for all 81 home games a season. That’s something that should be changed. Occasionally, they could just have the organ playing an instrumental version of the song. It’s nice to see others carry on Harry’s “tradition”, if that’s an appropriate word for it.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

And the worst part, as stated by the poster, is that we have to deal with the ramblings of whoever is in the booth that day during the bottom of the 7th. And so many times it seems like that has been such a critical inning for us. Just let Len & Bob do their job, please!

"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."

by BMoney79 on Oct 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jack Brickhouse Wrigley Field Statue?

I know Jack has a statue over on Michigan Avenue. I think it’s bad that he doesn’t have one at Wrigley, and Harry does. Heck, Harry had a statue there before Ernie Banks. That doesn’t mean that Harry isn’t deserving of his statue at Wrigley. I’m just saying he shouldn’t have gotten one before Ernie. Harry isn’t as deserving of a statue at Wrigley as Brickhouse is.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Jack Brickhouse, Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau were the identity of the Cubs to me. I finally accepted Harry but I too thought it a little odd that he got a statue at Wrigley Field first of anyone.

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 13, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brickhouse was it for me, too, as a kid.

You have to remember that there’s now an entire adult generation who never heard Jack call a Cubs game. For better or worse, Harry is their childhood memory, just as Jack was for me.

20 years from now, there will be a generation for whom Len Kasper is their childhood memory. Hopefully, that’ll turn out just as well.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Us 50+ guys know from what you speak, Al. Jack was my first listen

back in the 60’s with the Cubs. I didn’t even know there were any other broadcasters in the world. Stuff like “Atta boy, Ernie”, Hey, Hey!“, and "Here are the happy totals, folks” were part of my upbringing. I really miss the old crew sometimes.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 13, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of childhood memories...

…do you realize there’s a bunch of 8 year old (and younger) kids all over New York City who are wondering if the Yankees will ever win a championship in their lifetime??? ;-)

[adapted from a Bill Simmons column a few years ago – it never gets old…]

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 13, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep it going.

I think the majority of people who have grown tired of it are ones who go to, or watch, Cubs games every single day. This may sound evil, but I think a lot of those same people grow tired of hearing the Star-Spangled Banner before every game. Leave it alone.

by TheHawkRules on Oct 13, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't get tired of hearing the Star-Spangled Banner.

Completely different story. The 7th inning stretch stuff has become celebrity worship. Far different.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 14, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

…if I’d agree with you on that. To some people, especially those who only get to go to a ballgame once or twice a year, the 7th inning stretch is part of the whole going to the game experience. Maybe, instead of a celebrity doing it every game, they just have a new “official” voice of the Cubs who does it. In that way, its still something special that belongs to the Cubs.

Just an idea…

by TheHawkRules on Oct 14, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was suggested somewhere else in this thread...

… to have Ron Santo do it, though I don’t think Santo wants that role. Maybe Bob Brenly or Pat Hughes, I dunno.

That’d be far better than the celebrity nonsense.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junk All of the Marketing Filigree

7th inning conductors, giveaway items, “ev’rybody clap yo’ hands”, sausage races…heck, I’d even dump organ music. How much better the baseball experience would be if people actually paid attention to what was happening on the field!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 13, 2008 11:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK....

AC sign? Leave it. It’s not the Cubs doing it, it’s a separate entity. If the Cubs did it, they should be ashamed of themselves. But they didn’t so it’s not an issue. AC0063100

Curses? Could be, could not be. If you’re superstituous, you’re more inclined to believe in a curse. And…that’s fine. Always interested in hearing about supernature stuff. However, the Cubs had better not even hint in that direction from now on. After all LOU did to try to dispell that and the 100-year BS, what does Kenney do? Yikes!

What’s next?

1. Figure out how to put more proven playoff performers on the field. At least for 2009 (unless the Brewers keep CC and improve their ‘pen), the division is the Cubs to lose. They have to think about game #163 with any off-season changes. Though they’d never say that out loud, it’s how they have to think. It’ll be interesting to hear what Bruuuuuce has to say after the organizational meetings next week.

2. Get the ownership thing figured out. This could have a huge affect on off-season activity.

3. Update those flag poles atop the upper deck. Make ’em bigger and start on one side or the other with those division flags. Three of the past 6 years is a good start.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Oct 14, 2008 7:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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