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Building A Cubs Champion: Wrigley Field

Oh, brother, in the words of Jack Brickhouse, am I going to open a huge can of worms with this one. And, just last Thursday Galvan316 made this FanPost on this topic which generated a large number of comments, including a fair number from me. But I haven't yet put my thoughts on the ballpark in one place and organized them -- so here goes.

First and foremost, in any analysis of the future of this franchise, it must be stated clearly and without any hesitation: the fact that the Cubs have not won a World Series for 100 years, nor been in one for 63, isn't the fault of the ballpark. The primary factors have been discussed elsewhere, but they include bad ownership and management, which led to the acquisition of bad players, coaches and managers, and a little bit of bad luck and bad plays at the worst possible times.

Those things could have happened if the Cubs were playing in a megastadium built downtown (and yes, that was discussed by the Cubs, Bears and the city in the early 1960's), or if they were playing at Thillens Stadium at Devon & Kedzie.

I don't think it's any secret to any of you that I love Wrigley Field. I love the intimacy, the sightlines (well, at least from most of the seats; I'm well aware that there are some obstructed-view seats), the fact that it's in a city neighborhood, unlike any other major league park except Fenway; I love the ivy and the old scoreboard and the friends I've made there.

That said, Wrigley Field is a 94-year-old building, and it needs work to update it if it is going to survive and flourish for, say, the next 50 to 75 years, which would be the lifespan of a new stadium if it were to be built (although, history tells us that 45-50 years is about the lifespan of most ballparks; the cookie-cutter stadia of the 1960's were built to replace parks that were consttucted in the 1910's, and those recently built were, for the most part, replacements for the cookie-cutters).

But if you think every bit of Wrigley Field is 94 years old and is about to crumble, you'd be wrong. You all know that the bleachers were completely reconstructed in the 2005-06 offseason, and the organization did a terrific job of both keeping the look and feel of the original 1937 bleachers, and updating the concessions, restrooms and seating to bring them into the 21st Century. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if the Cubs were willing to invest enough money in renovating the rest of the park, they could and would do just as respectful a job, AND put in what is required for modern ballparks to have modern amenities.

The only part of the current structure of Wrigley Field that is more than forty years old is the upper deck, which was built in stages in the 1920's. Surprised? That's right, not a single part of the park remains from 1914, when it was built. The last such part was the old outer bleacher wall, which was torn down in 2005. The lower deck bowl was completely rebuilt in stages in 1968 and 1969; the lower grandstand seats, which used to face left field and right field, respectively, were banked and turned so that all the seats face home plate. In doing so, the Wrigleys actually reduced the seating capacity by about 5,000. This isn't necessarily a bad thing -- most recent studies show that the optimium capacity for a baseball park is about 42,000, and with only three exceptions (the new Yankee Stadium, which will seat about 51,000, Camden Yards, which seats about 48,000, and Coors Field, which also holds about 48,000, and they tacked on more seats to a park that was originally going to seat less), every single new park that has been built since 1992 (when the current wave of new stadium building was begun), seats approximately that number, or within a couple thousand of it. Even the Cell, which originally seated 46,000, took out 6,000 of its worst seats because they almost never sold. The current capacity of Wrigley Field, approximately 41,200 (different sources list different numbers, cubs.com says 41,160, but I don't think that was updated to add the 70 CBOE seats put in last offseason), is right in line with virtually every new park (example: the Mets' new Citi Field, in a much larger city, will seat about 45,000).

So if seating capacity isn't the issue, what is?

There are three things that can be done to Wrigley Field over the next few years, possibly even being done over the course of one offseason and during part of a season so they wouldn't have to move out, to bring it into the modern age:

1) Tear down and completely rebuild the upper deck. This is the place from where the concrete fell four years ago and is the part of the ballpark mostly in need of repair. In doing this, the Cubs would also have to rebuild the 20-year-old press box (built when the skyboxes displaced the original mezzanine-level press box in 1989), and they could add a Stadium Club, perhaps on the top of the upper deck in between the light towers, which would face the field. The current Stadium Club, a nice venue, is tucked into a corner of the park far from the field (you can see its windows if you walk by the southeast corner of the park on Sheffield). Having such a club that faces the field would be a huge revenue generator, because more people would buy memberships and daily passes to such a place if they knew they could watch the game from there.

2) Build the "Triangle Building" on the lot west of the ballpark. This has, as you know, been proposed for several years, but it needs to be done now. If the Cubs do this, they would move the team's offices, now occupying a fair amount of space, into that building, freeing up space inside Wrigley Field that could be used for even more high-end seating (it would go behind the plate in the lower deck). They could also use space in this building for things like an expanded clubhouse and batting cages, which other ballparks have -- they'd be accessible by either an overhead walkway, or maybe by a tunnel.

3) Many of you will scream "Blasphemy!" when you read this, but I'm going to go on record right now in favor of adding both a ribbon board (which would go on the facing of the upper deck, as it is in most other parks), and a Jumbotron (which would likely have to go on one of the rooftops, in a deal made with those owners, since there's no room in Wrigley itself). The model here is Fenway Park, which retained its old-fashioned manual scoreboard on the Green Monster, and added a Jumbotron. It doesn't detract from the 96-year-old charm of Fenway Park; I was at Fenway in 1983 and frankly, it was a dump, dirty and dingy, with old broken-up seating and few amenities. Less than ten years ago there was a movement to build a "new Fenway" -- but both fans and the new ownership rallied behind the old park, and the renovations and additions to Fenway have made it an historic showplace. Cubs management has made no secret that they want to follow the Red Sox model, both on the field and off, and putting up new boards while retaining the old, would provide needed new sources of revenue while still keeping the look and feel of Wrigley mostly the way it is now.

If you cringe or scream at that, I do not see Wrigley becoming another Chase Field if boards like this were installed. It couldn't happen that way -- Wrigley's still an outdoor park in a neighborhood, and no amount of lights and bells and whistles is going to change that; and that leads me to my final point, which is -- if you are in favor of "rip it down and build something new", there are two simple questions you must answer:

1) Where?, and

2) How much?

It's really quite simple. There's no logical place in the city of Chicago to build a new ballpark, and no place near Wrigley where you could replicate it. And no one -- repeat, NO ONE -- builds a stadium in the suburbs any more. In several instances (San Francisco, San Diego, Houston, Baltimore) where old parks were located on the outskirts of a city or in neighborhoods, the new parks were built smack in downtown, in revitalization efforts. You could argue about Miller Park, but it's still in the city of Milwaukee, and in fact, they probably should have put it in downtown Milwaukee, which does need a boost. Downtown Chicago doesn't need that and there isn't any vacant land there, anyway.

Yes, renovating Wrigley Field will cost quite a bit of money -- but far less than building a new park would (and consider that the new Yankee Stadium's cost overruns put the final cost of the place at something like $1.3 billion, and that number could rise). But that's the answer; put $350 million (a number I've seen batted around) into Wrigley Field and it would become a showplace, with its look and feel mostly as it has been for decades, but with 21st Century amenities (yes, you'd also have to upgrade the concessions, restrooms, and put in larger and better restaurants and souvenir stores, as you see in places like Miller Park).

There's one final thing that doing all of this would accomplish. Some players, and rightfully so, complain that Wrigley Field doesn't have the space and modern amenities that the clubhouses and facilities at the new ballparks (Miller Park was cited by a couple of players after the Cubs inhabited the home clubhouse there during the relocated Astros series in September). Doing the additions I mentioned above would address these issues; while I still don't believe the ballpark is the problem, expanding the clubhouses and adding batting cages, workout areas, etc. would bring a renovated Wrigley Field in line with other new parks and put Cubs players on equal footing with their peers.

It can be done. I, for one, hope it IS done.

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Excellent post, AL

Even though I don’t live there anymore, I would love to see Wrigley refurbished and made more comfortable to the players and the fans. But, a nice, new stadium, replicating Wrigley to a degree would also be nice. The one thing which has been discussed is that there isn’t enough available land in the city, much less in the Wrigleyville neighborhood to even attempt a leveling of the current park and rebuild it. Another aspect of the area is more parking. I know there is probably more parking now than at any time in the past, but I guess that’s the price you pay to have a major league team in your back yard.

All your ideas are on the money. Good job!

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 13, 2008 9:16 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree on the Parking

I’m not from Chicago, but I do make trips to Wrigley. I’ve always said I hate getting there, but I love being there. Wrigley Field is wonderful place and I hope they never replace it.

Great Post AL

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why Park At Wrigley?

The place is accessible from the red line of the “L”. Bus lines including the “22-Clark” go right by the stadium.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1000

Even if they were to raze half the neighborhood for said parking, it would still be like an angry ant hill to navigate around in a car.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

I did that this year. We stayed at a hotel downtown, took a cab to the game and rode the L back. If you are from out town the bus routes and a “L” routes can be confusing however.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Confusing?

C’mon. Maybe a little adjustment but confusing? They are color coded. Its not like the Subway in NY. And from DT its a snap, I’d get more confused/frustrated trying to get to a “parking lot” near Wrigley…Look if it was really feasable I would have not problem, as it would be another revenue generator for the team. But, I just cannot fathom where people could possibly park there.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to sould like a Hayseed

but I’ve ridden in a taxi twice in my life (both in Chicago) and riding the “L” was first experience with mass transit. If you are not from a big city (Like a Chicago or New York) you drive almost everywhere you go. Busses are for people who can’t afford a car or lost their license and taxi’s are for out of towners and people who are too drunk to drive. I’m sure if I moved to Chicago I’d figure it out pretty quickly but when don’t know the city or the neighborhoods it can be intimidating. I’m not sure what they could do to make it easier, I’m just saying it can be difficult.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Add in two car seats

(now required for most kids until first grade or so) and two kids to carry, and you see why I gladly pay $20 to park a few blocks away.

by TC Cubby on Oct 13, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be difficult. I wouldn’t have any problems paying a premium price to park near the park.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice - busses are for people who cant afford a car...

…you are an ass.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 13, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

whoa whoa

I don’t think that was how he meant it.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does that make me an ass?

It’s true. A lot of lower income people depend on the bus to get to work or the store or the doctor. Am I an ass for pointing that out.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

However...

… many people take buses or the L for convenience’s sake, or because they don’t want to drive in the city. Let’s not turn this into a debate about personal income, please.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I meant outside of big cities. Places like Chicago and New York are different. I never meant for this to become a discussion on personal income.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately, that was your implication.

Let’s stop this right here.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He actually directly said "If you are not from a big city"

I’m pretty sure his implication was clear. It was probably read in haste.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Oct 13, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I take the bus and train all of the time...

…and own a house and more cars than I care to admit. So do many other people that I know. You may want to re-think your comment further.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 13, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

May I ask where you live?

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Merlin was speaking of people who live outside of the city...

…if you go back and read his comment. This is pretty true. Where I grew up the bus system was ran by the same agency as all the local welfare programs. It was primarily to ensure the poor and elderly could get to the grocery store and doctor, not to a ballgame.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Oct 13, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we need to stop this discussion.

Don’t want to get this into politics or discussion on income.

Let’s just say that taking the bus or L to a Cubs game is a necessity for some, because of where they live, their own desires not to drive, or parking costs.

Deal?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Deal.

I don’t mean that Merlin IS an ass, just that was a a comment that should have been thought through…perhaps the intentions were otherwise, but it sounded like stereotyping to me.

Carry on.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 13, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sorry if I offended anyone

that was not my intention and I won’t discuss this any father.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 13, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Being from A Medium-Sized City....

that’s a lot bigger than Lexington, Kentucky, and a lot smaller than Chicago, I understand how someone not from a big city could be uncomfortable using mass transit. In Memphis, I only use public transit to go to and come back from basketball games at the Fed Ex Forum.

The people that tend to ride buses here are lower income people. That has changed a little here with gas prices that are still too high despite dropping recently. I realize in Chicago and New York that people of all income levels use the mass transit system.

I maintain that the Chicago transit system is easy to use for an out-of-towner willing to study the rail and bus lines. A visitor pass can be ordered online from the CTA, so you don’t have to deal with vending machines. There is a great trip planner link on the CTA site that can help anyone get from point A to point B in Chicagoland using public transportation.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Watch the namecalling, please.

Unacceptable.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I get you

But I think with a little forethought, you would have no problem. The route maps are all available online, and considering you can post on here with no problem its pretty clear your internet skills are fine. I hate to not be more sympatheic to the situation, but really in the grand scheme of things…parking around Wrigley field is pretty low on the list. Looks like you’ll have to leave the ol Caddy at the hotel.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am a Hayseed

And with some practice, I’ve figured it out. We come in from Northeast Indiana, and pick up the South Shore at Dune Park. We park for free, pay $13 round trip to downtown, walk three blocks to pick up the redline, and take it right to Addison. It IS a bit intimidating at first. There are plenty of helpful people around if you’re having trouble. IMHO, this is by far the best way to get to the game.

by hoosierdaddynow on Oct 13, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I always stay at the holiday inn in Skokie

and take the yellow line to the red line to Addison street station. Doesn’t take long at all, parking is wide open up there and the train ride can be fun. Better than $30 for parking.

After I hit a home run I had a habit of running the bases with my head down. I figured the pitcher already felt bad enough without me showing him up rounding the bases. ~Mickey Mantle

by Jettero2112 on Oct 13, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Try the Best Western in Evanston.

Not expensive and short walk to Purple Line stations at Davis or Dempster. And downtown Evanston sure beats the area around the Skokie Holiday Inn.

by the nth on Oct 13, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I used to do both

drive and take the Rock and then the El and get off at Addison

Sometimes, I had to drive because I was picking others up and it wasn’t convenient to try and get to a train. Parking for day games, not too bad. But I would never drive to a night game.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 13, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I always have found the suburbanites who drive right up to Clark and Addison

and then start looking for parking to be good for a laugh. If more parking is to be built put it out west by the expressway or Lane Tech to bring even more people in on shuttle buses. Then shut down Addison to all but bus traffic for the 90 minutes before and after games. The city’s 19th century transportation is a joke and will probably cost Daley his Olympics, but with some tweaks, it’s good enough to serve Wrigley 81 times a year.

Anyone who lives near the Red or Purple lines but drives to games ishould be ashamed of themselves. The free bike parking is one of the only useful things the Tribune Company has ever done.

The triangle building should also house a new state-of-the-art Cub clubhouse.

by the nth on Oct 13, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have added a poll to the right sidebar on this topic.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 9:31 AM CDT   0 recs

Al, great post as always. I also believe that the general historical feel of the park can be maintained while bringing certain features and amenities in line with the current era.

And I’d hardly blame the park for the ongoing futility of the Cubs’ post-season efforts. The Red Sox didn’t need a new park to win the Series and break the Buckner curse. The Cubs don’t need to move to escape their demons, either.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe @ MHH on Oct 13, 2008 9:41 AM CDT   0 recs

I didn't follow Fenway's renovation closely

but I believe Boston managed to upgrade Fenway and still keep its historic integrity.

All generalizations are false.

by Emelie on Oct 13, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jumbotron?

I’ve never understood the appeal of the Jumbotron. It’s just a nice big picture of the batter. Who cares. They don’t replay any close call, and it would be filled with ads the rest of the time. I’m there to watch the game. The other ideas all sound reasonable.

by goddess on Oct 13, 2008 9:42 AM CDT   0 recs

Hmmm

I think you answered your own question: “it would be filled with ads the rest of the time”. Exactly, revenue thats why it would be needed/wanted. Sorry, but the days of the P.K. Wrigley break-even model are over…this club is going to require every dollar it can squeeze out of the Ivy to remain a competative team. I have thought about this for some time, and I really don’t have a problem with the improvements that Al has suggested. The Jumbotron thing is really just part of the natural progession of Ballparks…if it could be done in the way Al has suggested then I have no issue with it.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know why

I know why the owner would want a Jumbotron. I’m just saying from a fans point of view I don’t get their appeal. They really don’t add anything to the game but, there are fans who are lost without one. I’m guessing it’s the same fans who need to see how fast they can throw a baseball while the real game is going on behind them.

by goddess on Oct 13, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sign of the times

Technology…funny thing, it just keeps rollin’ along. I disagree, I think they can and do add to the game…in more ways than dollars and cents. If the Cubs are going to keep progessing forward they will have to embrace certain mainstream amenities found in even the most basic of Minor League parks. I’m not suggesting that I love the idea, or any of us that are all for a “Jumbotron” but I think its pretty much inevitable, so might as well start thinking about the best case scenario for when it comes in.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jumbotron !!

Also you can have the D – Fence animation or the two clapping hands to get the team fired up when down by 5 in the bottom of the ninth.

My favorite Jumbotron moment – Comiskey Park when they had Ron LeFlore big picture of him batting with the light burned out making it look like he was missing two front teeth. Memories….

by rmonday557 on Oct 15, 2008 3:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jumbotron would add nothing positive to the experience

All other points are good ones, but just say “no” to the Jumbotron.

by hoosierdaddynow on Oct 13, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing positive?

Whoa thats a pretty sweeping judgement. Look, I used to be somewhat oposed to the idea too, but in reality…its will probably happen. I think Wrigley can have all of the amenities while still keeping the elements that make it unique. I realize its hard for some of us to envision but most of us want the Cubs to play at Wrigley Field for the duration, changes will be made whether we like it or not. Might as well learn to live with it, and hopefully be satisfied and proud of how they are able to make it work in our historic ballpark.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rain delays are where jumbotrons really come into their own...

Being able to watch other games on a jumbotron during a rain delay is enough on it’s own to see a jumbotron to me. I’ve passed a few rain delays at the Cell doing this.

by MarchHare on Oct 13, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey you kids, get off my lawn!

You’re right, I did make a broad statement. I should say that for me, the Jumbotron would add nothing positive to the experience, even in a rain delay. Maybe I am in the minority. I have been to games at other, modern stadiums (stadia?), and the bells and whistles, especially the Jumbotron, were a distraction. More than anything else, I love the low-key, low-tech feel of Wrigley. I hope that never changes. Even if it does, I’ll still go, and I’ll still love it.

by hoosierdaddynow on Oct 13, 2008 2:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this is an age issue...

…and the continued success of the cubs require them to, as a club, appeal to people under 30. Those of us who have never known life without instant replay and slow motion.

When there is any close / great / interesting play, my instinct is to look to the scoreboard to see it again. I understand that there are those who don’t see the value of this. My generation does. I’ve discussed it many times while sitting in Wrigley. Most of my friends agree: advertising revenue aside, a jumbotron would be great for the next reviewed home run, the next incredible catch, the next….

by AndrewJStone on Oct 13, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I look up and over my right shoulder...

…at the 1982 Magnivox 24" TV. But, I still can’t see it anyway.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um

Sounds like I’m quite a bit older than you, but I grew up with instant replay too.

I don’t know when WGN first started using it, but I don’t remember a time when instant replay wasn’t there, and I started watching in 1969.

Funny, I never thought to look instinctively to the Wrigley scoreboard for a replay, though (although at my very first game, aged six, I wondered why I couldn’t hear Jack Brickhouse describing the action).

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Oct 13, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Replay started about 1966 or 1967...

… by 1969 it was commonplace.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Renovate and Don't Replace

The cookie-cutters of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s are mostly not used now. They didn’t even have 40 years of usefulness. With cities being as financially strapped as they are, I don’t think building a new park is financially feasible in Chicago.

Renovations are needed and are far cheaper than building a new stadium. Even if the renovations are so extensive, the Cubs have to move their home games to the south side or Milwaukee, the renovations would be worth it. With the renovations, the Cubs could very well end up staying at Wrigley after the other teams in the NL Central have moved away from their current much newer stadiums.

I can go for the ribbon board, but I think the Jumbotron is a bit much.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 9:47 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd rather have a Jumbotron on the rooftops

Than billboards behind the bleachers or in the Ivy — ala’ Under Armor. I think the deal with it, is they are going to want to make that happen (Jumbotron) the question is, can they do it without screwing around with the manually operated scoreboard. They can suspend it from the heavens for all I care as long as our scoreboard remains.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just wonder

which rooftop the board would go on. If the old scoreboard remains (which I hope it would), then the old scoreboard would likely block the view of the jumbotron for some fans in the park, wouldn’t it?

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Oct 13, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not at all.

None of the rooftops are behind the existing scoreboard. It’d likely have to be mid-block on either Waveland or Sheffield.

They’re going to bring in a portable Jumbotron for the hockey game in January. That’d be a good test of where to put it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about..

one on top of the Budweiser house in left center and another in place of the Miller Lite/Torco sign in right?

by hokie316 on Oct 13, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Except that building has been purchased and is planned to be torn down to accomodate more rooftops. Miller Lite/Torco sign is my personal fav for where to put one.

by StevenABQ on Oct 13, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The cookie-cutters are all torn down now...

… Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Philadelphia… those were the prime examples. All of them, gone. Former Cub Richie Hebner once said, “I stand at the plate in the Vet in Philadelphia, and I don’t honestly know whether I’m in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, St. Louis, or Philly.”

Those days are best gone.

FWIW, it would be almost impossible logistically to play a Cub schedule at Miller Park, not to mention it would put it far out of reach for many Cub fans (granted, some in the far north suburbs are almost as close to Milwaukee as Chicago). My guess is, that if any games had to be played outside of Wrigley for part or all of a year, they’d be at the Cell (just as the Yankees played at Shea for three years in the 70’s while the old Yankee Stadium was redone).

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by Al on Oct 13, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Miller Park Would Be Distant 2nd Option

I was thinking there are always a few times during the season that the Cubs and White Sox are at home at the same time. If there was a conflict that couldn’t be resolved in the schedule, Miller Park could be an option, if the Brewers weren’t also at home. I guess the Cubs could play during the day with the Sox playing at night on the same day at the Cell in a worst case scenario situation with scheduling.

Should the Cubs leave Wrigley temporarily for renovations, I hope the Cubs, White Sox, and Brewers would never be scheduled to be at home at the same time.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 13, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's almost no way to schedule that way.

Because the Brewers and Cubs are so close together, teams often get road trips scheduled to play both on one trip, swapping parks (especially the NL East teams). So to devise a schedule when the Cubs and Brewers would never be home at the same time would be impossible.

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by Al on Oct 13, 2008 3:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Time Out of Wrigley Needs to Be Short...

if at all possible. I hope the renovations wouldn’t keep the Cubs away from Wrigley for nearly as long as the Yankees were away from Yankee Stadium in the mid-70’s. I don’t think that all three teams (Cubs, White Sox, and Brewers) would be scheduled to be at home simultaneously too often during the season.

The situation could occur. That would leave the Cubs having to play at a different time on the same day as the Sox at the Cell or having to play at Miller Park at a different time on the same day as the Brewers. I’m sure something could be worked out. The Cubs could be left in an awkward situation.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 14, 2008 7:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It wouldn't need to be more than one year.

There’s no way the Cubs would agree to play home games at two different parks. Way too disruptive — where do the players live during the season, for example?

If they had to leave for a year — the games would be at the Cell. Book it.

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by Al on Oct 14, 2008 7:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very Limited Schedule at Miller

I don’t think this would be an old-fashioned Kansas City-Omaha Kings situation. Back in those days, the Kings played about one-fourth of their home schedule in Omaha. Things would work out the overwhelming majority of the time for the Cubs to play at the Cell. I am thinking that for two series a year that things may not work out. Miller Park could be an option, then. It would just amount to a couple of extra short road trips. I don’t see that as being that much of a hardship for the players.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 14, 2008 8:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Again...

… there’s no way the Cubs would ever agree to do that — it would put them at a competitive disadvantage.

The last team that had two home parks in one year was the 1989 Blue Jays, who moved into the Skydome in June 1989. Every other new park that has opened since then has opened at the beginning of a season.

Teams want consistency. They’d play at the Cell. Period.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 14, 2008 8:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't the Expos play in Montreal and Puerto Rico their last

year in Montreal?

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