Cubs, Cardinals Among Jake Peavy's Approved Trade Destinations
by scareduck on Oct 15, 2008 1:35 AM CDT
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The Padres opened bidding on ace Jake Peavy earlier in the week, and his agent, Barry Axelrod, has responded with a list of destinations to which he would approve a deal.
"Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League," Axelrod said. "It is hypothetical, but Jake, by any measure, has had a great deal of success in the National League. He has a comfort level with knowing how to approach hitters here."It's not certain based on this article how much say Peavy really has over a trade, but the Padres would be daft to send him to the Dodgers without a serious gutting of their farm system. Similarly, it's not clear that the Astros or Cards have enough to get a deal done, and likewise Atlanta. For all I can tell, this may simply be a bluffing maneuver on Kevin Towers' part, but one thing is certain: Peavy is going to get very expensive in a hurry ($15M in 2010, and $22M in 2013 if the team owning his contract picks up that year's option). The Padres, with a moribund farm system and one of the lower payrolls in the game, won't be able to improve on their 63-99 record any time in the near future, and keeping an expensive ace like Peavy around might actually delay that process....
Axelrod made one concrete stipulation to any trade scenarios: "Jake would only approve a trade to a team with a solid chance of winning and a winning tradition. Those teams in the National League may be in locations that are more acceptable, or would be."
He said "the ability or opportunity to win is very important to Jake, and hopefully some sort of coincidence with his and his family's lifestyle."
Among the cities Axelrod mentioned were Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and St. Louis.
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Sub 3 ERA 4 of last 5 years....
…but possibly injury prone, and high price tag
if Cubs don’t mind heading into Red Sox-Yankee territory payroll wise, a trade would create easily the most dominant rotation in baseball.
by northpaw22k on Oct 15, 2008 2:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Simply put
the Cubs do not have enough trading chips to get Peavy.
Even if we included Vitters in a package of players, the Padres will get better offers from other teams.
Its a lovely idea, but I really don’t think we’ve got a chance of signing him.
by MadHatterBlues on Oct 15, 2008 3:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros absolutely do not have the trade chips.
The Cardinals do. Colby Rasmus fits the Padres needs perfectly.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 6:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no way!
i dont see the red chickens getting rid of rasmus! he has too much of a upside!
by bassncubs10 on Oct 17, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather try to get CC without giving up a prospect
2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..
by Chanman25 on Oct 15, 2008 6:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do we get both
of CCs arms? cause he’s gonna need ’em.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Oct 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt we can get Peavy
Without giving up pieces that we consider crucial.
Hey, let’s just send them Lee and get Adrian Gonzalez while we’re at it.
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by AceCubbie on Oct 15, 2008 6:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would our best offer be?
I would think it would include Pie, to patrol their large outfield; at least two promising young pitchers, say Marshall and Atkins, and a cheap hitter, say Vitters.
It doesn’t seem like that would be enough to land Peavy, although I’d make that trade.
Any other ideas? Since we’re just speculating…
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Oct 15, 2008 7:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
1 year of Rich Harden would sweeten the pot. With the contract outlined below, I see my biggest dream, logic be damned.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 15, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're in rebuild / cut costs mode
I don’t think 1 year of anyone would sweeten the pot, let alone one that costs $7M for that one year.
by Wreckard on Oct 15, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely agreed
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 15, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youd give up our best prospect?
In Vitters for Peavy…..I don’t know that that would be a smart move, starting pitching wasnt the teams problem.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 15, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't trade Pie.
he’s going to be our CF.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Oct 15, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Piniella stepping down?
Because as much as I like Pie, I don’t think that Lou does – and his is the only vote that matters.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 15, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Piniella isn't stepping down
I still think Pie is our CF.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Oct 15, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Pie can't go back to the minors without clearing waivers
He’ll be the major league ball club all year long. He’s going to get at-bats.
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 15, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be with A major league club.
Not sure it’s the one you think, though.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 15, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
I think the Cubs have a Fukudome problem. Any upgrade in position players likely come from SS or RF. Until Kosuke proves he can hit — well — I’d think hard about a Johnson/Fukudome platoon in center, which would/should officially push Pie out the door.
And not that I endorse it, but Pie/Marshall/Vitters isn’t the worse offer in the world for a guy with a limited market.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 15, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here Here
Whether Lou likes Pie or not really is not the issue, the fact is that Dome’s struggles did not help Pie any. There is no way that the Cubs go into the 09 season with 2 question marks in the outfield. If Dome would have had a solid year, I think we would have seen a Pie/Johnson Platoon in center
I think the only way that Pie is on this team is if they don’t find a way to trade him. They are not going to release him and get nothing in return.
I hope I am wrong and that Pie turns in a monster year next year for the Cubs. Lord knows the Cubs could use a cheap position player who is productive.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether or not Lou likes a player is ABSOLUTELY an issue
If you dont’ think so, you haven’t been paying attention to personnel moves the last two years.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 15, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that
even if Lou liked him and Pie did not perform to his expectations, they would still be looking for an alternative to Pie.
This is not an argument one or another for Pie, I am arguing that the Cubs are not going to go into the 09 season with two huge offensive question marks in the outfield. Something has to give and unless Dome goes back to Japan, I suspect that to be Pie since he is out of options.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict that they will get a new right fielder
and have a Johnson/Dome platoon in center.
Who that new right fielder is…I don’t know.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
At a minimum a left-handed hitting run producer will be added to the outfield mix, probably somebody who plays right field and either has the starting job outright or splits time with Mark DeRosa. Kosuke probably slides over to center field to platoon with a Reed Johnson. Either that or he becomes a very expensive 4th or 5th outfielder. Either way Felix Pie is a goner.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there any LH RF available?
To me, the biggest priority should be getting a LH bat with power, something this team sorely lacks.
by salparadise23 on Oct 15, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he probably isn't available
but, man wouldn’t Josh Hamilton look good in center at Wrigley?
The only other real option available that I can think of is Dunn and he has already been discussed at length.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Oct 15, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not to beat a dead horse...
but Abreu may free up; one wonders if the Yankees pass on arbitration, and use the money to draw Teixeira to NY. Luke Scott might make more sense than chasing Brian Roberts, especially given that you could get into some interesting platoon situations. And I now alot of people think Hermida may be available. That’s just off the top of my head.
Of course — assuming he’s come down off those insane contract numbers — grabbing Hudson, and moving DeRosa to right wouldn’t be terrible.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 15, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley's ability to play RF
may be a question, but he really raked this year
by philadelphiacub on Oct 15, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any takers for Gary Matthews Jr?
Powerish hitting switch hitter with above average defense who could be acquired for just about anyone or anything
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Oct 15, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Powerish" is a clever description.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
17,19, 18 HRs 3 of the last 4 years
and the 18 is with the anaheim marine layer stopping every ball. He cant be as bad as fukudome was in the second half, i dont think
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Oct 15, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't possibly be as bad as sticking a hot poker in your eye, either.
There’s a reason you’re begging Cubs fans to take him off your hands.
by cwyers on Oct 15, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My suggestion is to wait for the playoffs to end
and then go ask the Dodgers guys if they’ll swap the sparkpluggish Juan Pierre for Sarge Jr. They might even be willing to throw in the All-Starrish Andruw Jones as sweetner.
Meanwhile, here’s my question for you – what would you be willing to trade if we put Alfonso Soriano on the table? (And, no, we aren’t swapping Soriano for Sarge Jr.)
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I’m hoping Hermida is that RF and he doesn’t cost much more than Pie. I do worry that Lou’s biases may keep us from an upside play in Hermida and move us to a dessicated veteran like Griffey or Ibanez.
There is a small chance that the Cubs start the year with both Pie and Dome in CF and let them fight for playing time. Dome hit lefties, so, if nothing else, you can platoon them.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Hermida will require
even a Pie level prospect. Listening to a fair number of Florida games this year left me with the feeling that they’re very down on him and his ability to ever be a full time player (constant injuries).
by Cubinator on Oct 16, 2008 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a distinct possibility
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 15, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix Pie will be moved this winter
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Felix Pie
wouldn’t be on the post season roster?
Like Fukudome wouldn’t be in the lineup for Games 1 and 2?
Like Harden will pitch Game 1?
etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Oct 15, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you listening to Sweet Lou?
"There is not a better offense in America. Missouri has had 48 possessions and scored on 33 of them. The nation's No. 1 scoring offense has punted just five times and has yet to go three-and-out." Tom Dienhart, Rivals.com
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 15, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
What if they run him out there and he is hitting .200 after 20 games? What do you do then?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 15, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Dome up from AAA.
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by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you want to bet...
…Dome never sniffs AAA?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 15, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no idea what they will do with Dome.
And when Al suggests Dome may get bought out to return to Japan, I wonder just how much pressure the Cubs may be putting on him and if the AAA talk is all part of that pressure.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do trade Pie for Peavy.
I mean… he’s Jake Peavy. If the Padres want to do a package centered on Pie for Peavy, I would do my damnedest to get it to work out.
by cwyers on Oct 15, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would take a lot...
…more than Pie to get Peavy. You have to remember, Pie has failed so far (as a hitter) at the MLB level and his value is less than what it was a year or two ago. The Padres are cheap, so they would probably want a guy like DeRosa, Pie and Marshall to start a discussion.
Also, keep in mind what Peavy’s salary does to the payroll and how that would effect getting other holes you have.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 15, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they want one year of Derosa?
They’re not looking to compete next year. Derosa doesn’t help them at all.
by Wreckard on Oct 15, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...what it does do
is give them an avenue to add to their draft picks the following year if he does not resign with them.
Not saying they would do it but that would be one benefit to trading for a relatively cheap potential type A free agent in the last year of his deal.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This of course assumes
that none of the other suitors wow them with prospect packages. If they really like our two or three guys over another teams 4 or 5 guys and they think that the additional guys they would get from another team would not be as good as the guys that they could draft with the picks they get for Dero when he signs elsewhere the following year….they might pull the trigger…
I don’t really believe it would shake out this way but it is at least a plausible scenario.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that.
The draft pick they’d get would be somewhere in the 30’s — the compensation picks come AFTER the first round. So you’re saying a team should trade for one year of DeRo, to get a compensation pick a year after that, who might help them four years later?
No one’s going to do that, least of all a team that’s going to suck next year and is likely to be picking in the top two or three anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 15, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was this
My example was rooted in this assumption….
That the team offering up “A DERO Type Player – i.e. last year of his contract” was offering the two best prospects (i.e .the ones the Padres coveted most) for Peavy. The other teams although offering more prospects could not match the other team’s two best prospects and the additional prospects that they offered did not line up with their needs/projections. So, the Padres would decide to take the two best prospects and take their chances in the draft the next year with the picks they would get for the DERO Type Player.
Do I think the Cubs have said prospects…no. I was merely postulating on how someone could make an argument for Dero being thrown into a deal for Peavy.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team...
…needs at least a few good players and he is cheap for his production.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 15, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could retool!
we give them lee, theroit, pie, marshall, and one other young arm for peavy, gonzalez and greene!!!! we get a great addition to the rotation, i have a feelin that z and harden are going to hold up? it would be nice to know that we have another ace in the hole! with gonzalez and greene we get a offense upgrade! just a idea!
by bassncubs10 on Oct 17, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising that this kind of talk has started this early.
Exactly how much money/years are left on Peavy’s contract?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 15, 2008 7:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Acccording to my source
2009 salary: $11 million
2010 salary: $15 million
2011 salary: $16 million
2012 salary: $17 million
Contract status: Peavy signed a three-year, $52 million extension, which begins in 2010, on Dec. 12, 2007. The Padres have a team option for 2013 at $22 million, with a $4 million buyout.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Oct 15, 2008 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All things considered...
…that’s actually not a bad contract.
by kanderber on Oct 15, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's really not.
Essentially, by trading for him, you’d be inheriting a four-year, $55 million deal (about $14m per year) with a $4 m buyout in the fifth season — for a guy’s age 28, 29, 30 and 31 seasons, likely to be the best he’ll have.
If the Cubs could get this deal done, I’d do it. You’re getting a top-notch pitcher and paying about 1/3 less than it would cost for CC Sabathia.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 15, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I added wrong.
It’s four years, $59 million — about $15m per year. Still not bad.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 15, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take that deal
we would essentially be replacing Dempster with Peavy then. Proven track record of domination (Peavy) vs. one year (Dempster).
If we could get a trade done, I would do it, and throw in Lee for Gonzales ;)
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Oct 15, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that is
and this is coming from someone who thinks (doesn’t want) DLee to be traded, the Padres already have a good player at that position
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 15, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres like Pie
but Pie-Peavy isn’t close. Olney has the Cards thinking of expanding it for Greene, too, something the Cubs could also do. If the Padres really like Mike Fontenot and one of our other young guys, maybe we’d have an in – but I highly doubt it.
Lee for Cain – a deal built around that swap seems more likely and Cain has a ton of potential without the injury questions.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Lee deal
also saves a TON of money by adding a cheap SP to potentially replace Dempster and taking off Lee’s 13 Million
do that and funnel a whole bunch of money into Teix, and i’d be about as happy as i’ve ever been with a cubs offseason
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 15, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding Cain and Teix
plus snagging Hermida for Pie and signing Furcal would be the dream off-season.
That said, the odds are much greater that none of those happen than that all of those happen.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Moores is asking for a buyer of 49% of the Padres.
He’s locked in a bitter divorce with this soon-to-be-ex of 44 years. The Padres will continue to cut costs at any turn.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 15, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
Has a lot of years on the arm. I think he played like 7 years at bout 170-200 innings on average. That does scare me considering he makes about 15M/per. We have a guy in Z that is in a similar situation and his arm is starting to breakdown a little. No way would I give up Vitters. I am all for trading away prospects, but there are just some you have to keep.
by CubFaninStLouis on Oct 15, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Home/Road splits..
were pretty awful this year, dont forget he plays in a pitchers paradise.
He had a 4.28 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP away from Petco this season, compared to 1.74 ERA and 0.97 WHIP. But he does have a career ERA of 3.68 at Wrigley.
I dont know who we’d have San Diego would want though.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 15, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3.68 ERA at Wrigley...
… posted in four games, 22 innings. Pretty small sample size.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 15, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was partially my point
His home park is so beneficial, but he wasnt as bad at Wrigley as I had anticipated, buy youre right 22 innings is in what, four five starts?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 15, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four, as I said above.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 15, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy is one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball in my opinion...
You can just imagine Theo Epstein and the Steinbrenner’s drooling at the prospect of adding him.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said he doesn't want to go to an AL team
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 15, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Road splits
This year’s road splits are an aberration, I think. Compare them to his previous home/road splits:
Year / Home ERA / Road ERA
2004: 2.21 / 2.33
2005: 2.81 / 2.98
2006: 3.75 / 4.57
2007: 2.51 / 2.57
Considering the effect that Petco can have on pitchers, those home/road splits are fairly good.
by John Q Freejazz on Oct 15, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be feeling the effects
Of all that work though, but I dont know why the Cubs are in the discussion….he mentioned them as a place he’d like to go, the Cubs havent expressed interest in trading for him.
I wouldnt give up Vitters for anything at this point, well not anything, but he’s clearly the jewel of the farm system, so we gotta see if he can buck the positional prospect trend.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 15, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
Houston does not have enough to get the deal done.
No way do they trade Peavy to LA so they can face him again and again
As for the Cubs, Cards, and Braves, the Braves have the best and deepest farm system of the three teams. The Braves system might be better than the Cubs and Cards combined. They have alot of young guys on offense and a couple of good arms. They could get the deal done and not miss a step. If the Cards go all out, I’d be inclined for the Cubs to bid if anything to make the Cards pay more.
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 15, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
San Diego is going to get the motherlode of young talent for Jake Peavy
I doubt very seriously the Cubs will go after Peavy. It would certainly suck to see him land with the Cardinals. Something tells me the bidding will come down to the usual suspects….Boston (deep farm system to facilitate a trade) and both New York teams.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If by miniscule chance the Cubs got involved...
Then any trade would have to center around Jeff Samardzija and probably have to include another quality pitcher (Jose Ceda) and something like a Felix Pie. San Diego is going to want solid QUALITY, not dubious quantity. But like I said I doubt Hendry has any appetite for such a deal.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy has a no-trade clause and wants to stick in the NL.
So Boston and New York are not the immediate front-runners.
Remember, Carlos Gomez was the best prospect in the Johann Santana deal. No-trade clauses can really, really change the complexion of a deal.
by cwyers on Oct 15, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But here's the question -
the Padres don’t HAVE to move Peavy like the Twins “had” to move Johan. If the Pads take a below market deal, don’t you wonder if Peavy’s healthy?
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by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Majority owner John Moores is going through a nasty divorce. The team MUST drop payroll, and soon.
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by scareduck on Oct 15, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the Padres suck already.
I can only imagine how bad they’ll be after dumping payroll. They could lose 110+ next year.
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by Al on Oct 15, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the big priorities...
…being a leadoff hitter and a power LH bat, I just don’t see how the Cubs can make a legit run at Peavy. I like him and he would immediately be your number 1, but this is not going to happen.
I’ll say this, if he ends up with the Cards, he could help them quite a bit and make 09 really interesting.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 15, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still think Atlanta
Peavy wants to go there and Atlanta has the system to make something happen. He has a full no-trade clause for 09 and 2010.
I don’t see the Cubs being seriously involved as we lack the chips. Cedric Hunter is moving up the system, so while they may have interest in Pie, Pie’s value to them may not be as high as someone else’s. We don’t have the top shortstop to offer them, they have Antonelli and Denker as options at 2nd, Venable in LF (or Headley in LF if they keep Kouzmanoff), and Hundley at C. I’m not saying they wouldn’t be interested in some of our positional chips, but it’s quite unlikely. I think they’ll look for high end starting pitching … which we don’t have outside of Samardzija (and even that is somewhat debatable).
Dodgers seem unlikely, and Astros have a worse system than we do. St. Louis, though, has the assets to make something done if they want to get aggressive. An elite chip like Rasmus plus a couple arms would probably grab the Padres attention.
by toonsterwu on Oct 15, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards also have a pretty decent catching prospect
in Brian Anderson who is currently blocked by Molina. Supposedly he can hit and that his defensive skills are average. Likewise, Rasmus is no longer viewed as untouchable by the Cardinal’s Organization so I have to imagine that they would dangle these two prospects as a starting point. If they pulled that trade off, they would have great starting pitching w/o even factoring in Carpenter.
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by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right
on a line for what is likely to happen. A front three of Peavy, Carp, and Wainwright, means getting those LH bats is even more important for the Cubs.
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by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why it's important for the Cubs to at least pretend to be serious
They absolutely do NOT want the Cards to get a front-line starter. The Cards have the offense, but their pitching (particularly their bullpen, but also to some degree their rotation) was a problem.
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by scareduck on Oct 15, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The smart money is on Atlanta. They have the prospects and they have
made these types of deals in the past.Their pitching staff is filled with fragile older players and they need a big horse to lead the team. Seems like a good match.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 15, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note
But Hampton is likely gone (there is a 20 mil 2009 option … but uh, that ain’t happening). I think Hudson is out for 2009, or a large part of it. If Smoltz comes back, it’s likely in the pen. That leaves Glavine as the only fragile older player.
Their rotation is actually a mess right now. Jurrjens, Campillo, Reyes, Morton don’t scare anyone. Even with Peavy and Jurrjens, a nice one-two punch, they could use a middle of the rotation starter in there, before fleshing it out with one of the remaining three (and I guess guys like Chuck James, Glavine, and a couple of their kids could get into the picture)
by toonsterwu on Oct 15, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Jurrjens
A 22-year-old with a 112 ERA+ is pretty good for a starter.
One thing that I missed when I first read this is that the Angels have a decent shot just because of proximity and the players they could afford to give up in return.
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by scareduck on Oct 15, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Jurrjens is very good. I just meant that the entire 4 some doesn’t scare anyone, but I guess I should’ve been more clear and just noted the last 3.
by toonsterwu on Oct 15, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed .. Atlanta is the best fit for Peavy
and brother, do they have a farm system .. plenty of prospects
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by cubnational on Oct 15, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing in the Cubs' favor is...
…Peavy’s no-trade protection. It’s about the only way the Cubs would be able to work out a deal.
This sounds like the sort of thing that could really throw a wrench in the offseason, though, as teams all chase the same prize. I hope this gets resolved quickly.
by cwyers on Oct 15, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i sense
some excitement in this idea from you Cwyers
i like an excited sabermagician! Makes for good posts
can we get a Peavy projection for ’09 in a Cubs uniform just to hold us over?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 15, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's not leave out
the brewers in any discussion. they need starters in a bad way and have a bushel full of youngsters to play with.
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by cubsluver22 on Oct 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point...
The Brewers could be very serious players for Jake Peavy and have the farm system and cheap young talent to get a deal done.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Even if they aren’t currently on Peavy’s list, that could change.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 15, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No LaPorta, No Peavy
He was their best prospect and now he’s in Cleveland. Milwaukee took their shot this year in a big way and it didnt really work, so they better be banking on big years from Gallardo and Parra
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 15, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still have the chips
on paper at least. Jeremy Jeffress is a high end arm (albeit, with off-field issues), Mat Gamel projects to be a solid corner offense guy. Alcides Escobar is arguably the top shortstop prospect in the minors. Angel Salome doesn’t have a position, but he can hit. Jon Lucroy may be able to be a slugging catcher. Taylor Green looks like he might be an intriguing 3rd base chip, although his offense is likely a better fit at 2nd. Gillespie, Gindl, Cain and others all look intriguing.
Now, the problem is, they are loaded with positional talent. That said, if they include Jeffress in a deal, on paper, they have enough to make something happen.
by toonsterwu on Oct 15, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know an awful lot about the Brewers for a Cubs fan
But the Padres are likely to shop Peavy on the same level as Santana or Sabathia, so I doubt anyone but the elitist of prospects will do.
We’ll see, I dont even know why the Cubs and Peavy are linked, its pretty far fetched
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 15, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using comparisons
Btw, I like following minor league baseball in general, and since they are a division rival, and they have gotten a lot of attention for their loaded system the past year and change, I kept up with them.
Anyhow, using comparisons is always a tricky arena. Each trade has it’s own environment. For example, the Santana trade had a limited field. The Sabathia trade didn’t, but it was an in-season deal.
I think they’ll go in hoping for a Colon level return in regards to prospects, which was 1 elite/ready prospect (Brandon Phillips), 1 solid talent (Cliff Lee), and 1 upside type (Sizemore). We’ve soon loose variants of this base concept in trades in recent years.
I doubt the Brewers would make a deal, as I think they went all in this year and will settle back and hope Gallardo/Parra develop into the front of the rotation starters, and hope Jeffress hangs on. But I think a Gamel/Jeffress/Lucroy deal would definitely catch the Padres attention. In saying that, I doubt the Brewers do it, as I think they are saving Gamel to replace Fielder.
If we really wanted to be wacky and explore possibilities, if they could deal Fielder for a solid arm (and change) and flip that package and maybe another piece or two … I could see them doing that and sliding Gamel in. That said, thing about trades is that, the complicated ones that happen are the exception.
by toonsterwu on Oct 15, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah!
If I was Hendry, I’d try really hard to work something out and get Peavy. It’s probably true we can’t match what the Brewers or Cards could offer, BUT, we obviously have put more effort into trying to win than either team. If Peavy sees that, and realizes that WE REALLY WANT HIM, he might put more pressure on the Pad’s to send him to Chicago. I’d try hard to make this happen, especially since there is a 50/50 chance Dempster doesn’t return. If he leaves, then we will need a good quality starter, and Peavy would more than fit the bill. If we could get Peavy, and keep Demp… wow, this pitching staff could be awesome. Z, Peavy, Demp, Harden (for 25), and a handful of guys fighting for number 5. Wow.
Go for it Hendry!!! (Remember the old rule, you can never have too much pitching!)
by TheHawkRules on Oct 15, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
the Padres would take a worse deal because Peavy is swayed by how much a team wants him.
by Cubinator on Oct 16, 2008 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst?
I don’t know if you could consider it a worse deal… If they wanted to work something out, then they would. Possibly, this could turn into a 3-way baby! Maybe a third team could come into the pitcher…
basically, Peavy might have some say so in his destination if he desires to leave. If so, then I hope he wants to go to the Cubs because its too dangerous for him to go to the Brewers and especially the Cards. Plus, he’d make a good Cub!
by TheHawkRules on Oct 16, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do the Cubs need more SP?
They’re one of the few clubs who are fine with their current rotation.
by NittanyCub on Oct 15, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't just automatically get last year's performance...
…and ballplayers aren’t 100% fungible commodities. So you have to constantly turn over your roster, because as players get older they decline. Career years don’t repeat. Etc. And you have to take what the market gives you.
by cwyers on Oct 15, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The Cubs could use another All-Star caliber starting pitcher, and Peavy is that. Plus, there is a good chance they will lose Dempster, its not written in stone, but it is very possible. He will need to be replaced and Peavy can do that easily. Also, Harden, though I love the guy, will be a question mark the whole season. Will he stay healthy? You never know with him… so see, is very reasonable to think we could lose two of our best pitchers from last year quite easily. I would love to have Peavy because it pretty much guarantees, (at least as much as a guarantee you can get in baseball) that we would have 3 quality/great starters in Z, Peavy, and Lily for 30 plus starts. Harden will be there at least some of the time, plus maybe Dempster returns… and we may just have the best starting staff in baseball. Who would be better?
by TheHawkRules on Oct 15, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers could package Rickie Weeks and Alcides Escobar
That would be awfully tough for anybody to match. Brewers could move Bill Hall back to 2nd base.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The brewers weren't on his list, were they?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 15, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could improve that package if you removed Rickie Weeks.
by cwyers on Oct 15, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still a big Rickie Weeks fan
The problem is the Brewers continue to insist playing him at 2nd base where he is terrible and often gets down on himself. Move Weeks to the outfield and I bet he flourishes. He’s got a sweet swing and very quick hands. He should be able to hit .300 in his sleep. And with that speed and athleticism he can grow into a very fine player in this league.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't make NEARLY enough contact
to even sniff .300, which is why he’s topped .240 once in his career
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/weeksri01.shtml
his career minor league BA is .289 as well
i love rickie weeks, but the one thing he’ll never be is a high average hitter, maybe even more so than a gold glove 2b (ok that was a stretch)
great on base guy, good pop for his size, and good athlete
not a high average hitter, or good infield defender
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 15, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weeks has quick hands in the mold of a younger Gary Sheffield
I believe he is going to hit very well at some point. It’s just been a struggle putting it together. I’m not going to defend the guy but I think trying to play 2nd base has taken a toll. That and playing for Ned Yost who was intent on yanking the chain of Weeks quite a bit.
In a year or two I will be surprised if he isn’t routinenly hitting .300. There is a lot of talent there.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good observation on Weeks. He often get lumped in with Bill Hall, but
he has much more talent. He strikes out a bit more than i would like, but I agree he should be moved to the outfield. I don’t know how long they are planning on keeping Cameron, but he would make a pretty descent CF. With Braun in LF, they are going to be challenged defensively so I don’t know if they are willing to convert another IF to OF.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 15, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I think the Brewers move Prince Fielder over the winter for pitching, then plop Ryan Braun at 1st base for the next 15 years. If it were me I would move Rickie Weeks to the outfield ASAP. But Weeks too might be moved this winter. I think Doug Melvin and the Brewers are going to be very active. It’s very plausible them getting into the sweepstakes for Jake Peavy.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 15, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
for the laugh yet again bluemike.
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by cubsluver22 on Oct 15, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weeks has too much service time to be involved in this deal.
He’s arbitration eligible this year, which means he’s about to get expensive. That’s why the Brewers want to get rid of him, and exactly why the Padres wouldn’t want him.
They’ll be looking for players with little to no service time.
by Wreckard on Oct 15, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The Brewers could get Peavy if Peavy was willing to go to them. But not with Weeks.
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by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy For Zambrano, Straight Up
For those of you who think Z is a head case who can’t be trusted….
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Oct 15, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ask yourself
before you post—if I were the gm would I make this deal? towers is having to unload salary because of a bitter money divorce. he cant win whether he makes a trade or not. why would he trade a 14 million dollar pitcher for an 18??? he wants to get a bushel full of near free prospects obviously.
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by cubsluver22 on Oct 15, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet - Theriot for Peavy, Straight UP!
Or do you think we could get Headley and Adrian Gonzalez in that deal, too?
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by DGU on Oct 15, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Adrian would be fine
I THINK … ha…
by toonsterwu on Oct 15, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy's trade value
…is estimated by Sabernomics in this entry here.
His deal is actually pretty in line with his actual value (Bradbury uses a system that measures player values in dollars), though that doesn’t mean it’s in line with what he’s worth on the open market.
by Wreckard on Oct 15, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Lidge has finally exorcised the Pujols demon…
Congrats to the Phils…Wish it was the Cubs.
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by TheRiot Police on Oct 15, 2008 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if this is one of those Hendry fly below the radar deals
sorta like he did with Harden….the hot stove is going to be cooking with talks all about CC, that I could see Spendry pull this off
I truly think the Cubs are going to make a “big move” this offseason and dump someone big…..that guy IMO is DLee
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Oct 15, 2008 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I worry
about the future health of Peavy’s arm. He has an extremely violent motion and lately (the past couple years) he’s had to push back starts here and there. You’ve gotta ask, “why would any team that wants to contend in the next 4-5 years trade away an ace at a below market price?”
The answer may be that they’re just trying to fleece some team desperate for one of the better pitchers in the league. But maybe they know something we don’t about Peavy’s long term likelihood of arm troubles. Don’t get me wrong…I love Peavy. But I’d be extremely uneasy unloading all our best prospects to get him (and the Padres will be demanding a King’s ransom no doubt).
by Cubinator on Oct 16, 2008 2:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Again,
they will move Peavy because of his price tag, and they need multiple players — they have so many problems. They sucked WITH Peavy. Why not unload him? He’s healthy, that isn’t an issue. John Moores’ divorce, and the ‘leaked announcement’ that he’s willing to sell 49% of the team is a real issue here.
When it comes to the Padres, MONEY is always an issue. Next year could be another disaster if the payroll is cut further. They have little, if any — talent in their system.
If there’s a way to get this guy, it should be done. He’s fine. it’s Sabathia who could have arm issues due to the way the Brewers rode him. I’d not take a chance on him — at all.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 16, 2008 3:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like they're now full-on
exchanging lists with teams. He’s gonna be moved at some point.
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