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A Boo For All Seasons; Why The Cubs Deserved It

I posted this to my blog, Not Qualified To Comment, but I wanted to see what the BCB community thought about it.

To boo or not to boo, that is the question. I've been thinking a lot about this topic lately. When your home team does poorly, is it appropriate to boo? If you boo have you forsaken your loyalty? What kind of situation calls for booing and what situation is it not called for? Over the last few years as a Chicago fan, there has been plenty of opportunity to boo. Rex Grossman's rise and fall; The Cubs well-documented playoff run; Jacque Jones; Kirk Hinrich; Kosuke; etc. What this is all leading to is the question of whether the highly publicized booing of the Cubs by the home fans was warranted. StevieY19 pointed me to an article that asks a similar question. That article discussed Phoenix's loss to the Bulls in the 1993 Finals:

So that year, no one booed the Suns who won that series against the Lakers and went all the way to Game 6 of the Finals until John F---ing Paxson hit that wide open three with four seconds remaining. And two days after the Finals no one showed up for work in Phoenix because they all attended a parade for the team that lost.

So what kinds of fans are Chicago fans? We definitely are not idiots like the Phoenix fans in 1993 or Sacramento Kings fans that have never booed anything ever. Now I think there are two kinds of booing. There is the kind of intelligent booing that goes along with knowledgeable fans understanding the game. Then there is the kind of booing that is purely negative from a negative group of people (see Philly fans).

I think there are times the Chicago fan base "intelligently" boos someone. When Grossman showed that he had the talent but not the brains (or the height), fans had a right to boo. When Jacque Jones had one bad April and Cubs fans booed him the rest of the year, that was just being impatient and stupid. (though he didn't have to cry about it).

So what's the point of all this? I don't know to be honest. I guess I'm just doing some soul-searching after my team came so close to winning after 100 years of futility. Should we have booed? I didn't, but I felt like doing it. The Cubbies choked...hard. According to my father, this is what the Cubs do, and we just have to get used to it. I don't buy that. We deserve to win. I spend hundreds of dollars, year after year, not to mention endless hours of my time devoted to the Cubbies. Some years its over by June, some its over by early October, but I have never seen a World Series and I deserve it, we deserve it.

What were we booing? Were we booing the organization for a 100 years of losing? Were we booing Hendry for not making the moves necessary to put a winner on the field? Were we booing Lou for getting outmanaged? Or were we booing the players for choking on the field when it counted after showing that they had the talent to win? I can't speak for other Cubs fans, but it strikes me as unfair to boo the organization. This incarnation did all it could, spent a lot of money, and made generally good decisions in terms of personnel. Lou made some mistakes too, but did the best he could with the tools that he had. No, I wasn't booing any of them, because that would have been booing out of frustration and not for a good reason. I booed the players. Every single one of them. They didn't show up when it mattered most. Is it fair to Derrek Lee that I saddle him with the pain of 100 years of losing when he's only been on the team for 3? Maybe not, but these guys are paid to play a game everyday that I could only dream of playing (seriously, I can barely hit a ball in the batting cages).

They tried in the NLDS like they were highly-paid players trying to win a playoff game, where the result didn't matter that much since there was always another year, another team, another city, another playoffs. Well this time there wasn't. They should have played like this was their last chance, their only chance. They had the opportunity to be heroes and they didn't just screw it up, they completely blew it and did not put the effort in that they should have.

That's why I booed. That's why I'm still confused about how I feel. Do I love the Cubs still? Of course, I will always love them through thick and thin. Do I love Rammy and Fonzy and Dumpster? I don't know, but I do know that they can expect to be booed by me. They need to be more than just mercenaries for hire. They need to be Cubs. Then they will understand what this means to us and play with the kind of heart and soul that Cubs fans deserve. Then, maybe, just maybe, we'll get our championship. You don't break a 100 year drought without understanding and feeling the gravitas of the moment. The fans understand that, but the players have a lot to learn. Until then I will boo them all I want, and the national sports media can talk all the smack they want, but we have a right to boo and we will exercise it.

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I hate booing.

It does not change anything. I seriously doubt the players think, “Oh shit the fans are booing we better get out there and play our super duper best.” You think the players don’t know when they aren’t playing well? They know and hate it worse then we do.

by sue369 on Oct 16, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I do not think that fans have a right to boo players....

they (the fans) are not out there trying to hit major league pitching

One season-162 heart attacks!

by cubswgnrocks on Oct 16, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

As paying customers..

…they have the right to boo just as much as they have the right to cheer. I don’t agree with booing myself, but that doesn’t mean people can’t do it.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Oct 16, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Who cares if the players are out there “trying”? They’re out there “trying” at something for MILLIONS that we would all do for CHUMP CHANGE.

I reserve the right to boo when I plop down my cash or turn on my TV.

by Brett Taylor on Oct 17, 2008 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

What does paying have to do with it

I have to pay $6 to watch my local high school play baseball. Does that give me a right to boo?

I’m not saying it is categorically right or wrong—however, I’ve never understood why paying to get into the field to watch the game is an argument for letting people boo.

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2008 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to pay $6 to watch HS baseball?

That’s unheard of in my experience.

If they’re charging, then maybe yes, you have a right to boo. It’s a little different because the HS players (presumably) aren’t getting paid to play.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 17, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Paying has nothing to do with it

You have the right to boo 5-year-old T-Ball leagues. That makes you an asshole, but you have the right to be an asshole too.

The tournament organizers can, and should, throw you off their property for booing at a T-Ball game, but you can stand outside the fence and jeer and boo too.

By the way, booing isn’t MEANT to change anything. I never once thought my booing would make Moises Alou not run the bases like a man trying to get a bat out of his hair.

I was expressing my displeasure at him for doing so.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 17, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you feel the need

to boo 5-year olds, then you (not YOU personally, but someone who would do that) are a pathetic, pathetic human being. The only thing more pathetic would be to “stand outside the fence and jeer and boo too.” I firmly believe that.

Beat Texas

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 17, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grow a skin.

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 16, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow... just wow

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Oct 17, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying to throw bricks at their cars...

Just that sometimes when expectations aren’t met and we feel like there was a lack of effort, we have a right to express that pain and disapproval. Obviously just booing because someone isn’t good or is in a slump is not appropriate or fair. But I really felt like their heart wasn’t in it. Maybe I’m wrong. Like I said, I can barely hit a ball in a batting cage on slow, so who knows. I think we have a right to express our disapproval sometimes though.

www.notqualifiedtocomment.blogspot.com

by Coach Van Lier on Oct 16, 2008 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

In the future...

…. please just post a link to your site and not the entire post. BCB doesn’t exist to promote your site. Thank you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 16, 2008 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

The "retarded" comments in the body of the post wasn't necessary, either

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 16, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 17, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You do have a link to your site in your sig.

Which is fine, I’ve always allowed that, as long as it’s not a commercial site.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 18, 2008 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

OK, cool.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 19, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can edit it if you'd like...

My bad. Let me know.

www.notqualifiedtocomment.blogspot.com

by Coach Van Lier on Oct 16, 2008 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'd appreciate that.

Yet another reason why I don’t want full texts of posts from other sites here. Thank you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 16, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done

and done. Its now PGish.

www.notqualifiedtocomment.blogspot.com

by Coach Van Lier on Oct 16, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

PGish? buddy, you better be on your knees every night...

…either praying that you don’t father a severely disabled child or thanking for being lucky.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 17, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

I’m in law school, so even praying won’t cut it. I’m totally screwed.

www.notqualifiedtocomment.blogspot.com

by Coach Van Lier on Oct 19, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems classless and immature...

about 99% of the time.

I love the argument…“Well they get paid millions of dollars so they should do their job.” Well, uh, the players on the other team are getting paid millions also, so does somebody always deserve to get booed or what?

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Oct 16, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Once again...

I don’t care about booing. Fans can do it if they like.

I try only to boo lazy effort and stupidity.

If a guy ignores the third base coach and goes on a sac fly that is way too shallow, I don’t care how hard he ran to get there. He was stupid.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 16, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

In my opinion...

…every fan that buys a ticket to the game has the opportunity, right, and ability to do whatever they want, just so long as it doesnt infringe on the overall experience of those around them.

Call me crazy, but I’d rather complain about the hundreds of signs held up at Cubs games that are little more than a shameless way to get four seconds of television exposure.

Booing isnt a big deal.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Oct 16, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Just as players earn the right to cheers when they perform well, they should accept booing when they don’t.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 16, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any sign that says ESPN

on it in any way ever should be booed.

www.notqualifiedtocomment.blogspot.com

by Coach Van Lier on Oct 16, 2008 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Booing

Booing is one thing but the idiots have evolved it into obscene gestures and obscenity shouting.

And please can we stop this moronic the Cubs lost because their heart wasn’t in it or they weren’t trying?

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 17, 2008 7:12 AM CDT reply actions  

How would you describe...

…there playoff performances the last two years?

The best word I can come up with is – OVERWHELMED.

From their starting pitcher in game one, to their defense in game two and their bats and body language the whole series. They looked like a team that was overwhelmed.

It appeared to me that a lot of the players were thinking – “oh shit, I don’t want to blow it”, rather than – “we have worked hard to get here, and we are going to go out and take what should be ours, a championship”

Now the fun part starts for Hendry and Piniella – trying to fix what caused the above to happen.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 17, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

That’s not an easy task, either, because the 2008 Cubs blazed through the regular season with 97 wins, the best Cub season in decades. How do you get a team that does that to not freeze up when the calendar turns to October?

If you have that answer, please let Hendry know. ASAP.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 18, 2008 4:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a firm answer...

…other than this; you can’t stand pat when your core group performs like that for 2 straight years. A message has to be sent, to let them know it wasn’t acceptable.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 19, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

The question is, exactly what should that “message” be?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 20, 2008 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I choose not to boo...

…but I guess I understand why others do it. And, sure, they have every right to do so.

Personally, I don’t think booing particularly helps motivate the players. In fact, if anything, booing may further demoralize them in moments when they most need to be picked up.

And, though I don’t want to take the whole “fan as 10th player on the team” thing too far, the Cubs are my team and it feels like it would be just as wrong for Daver in the bleachers to boo DLee when he grounds into a double play than it would be for Aramis Ramirez in the on-deck circle to do so. When the Cubs are awful, I bow my head, I do a facepalm, I groan, I swear (at no one in particular) but I don’t boo.

By the way, does anyone else think “intelligently boo” may be the new “technical balk”?

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Oct 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you just...

refer to yourself in the third person? You have definintely arrived, my friend. Kansas25 approves.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Oct 17, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Daver likes his chicken spicy.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Oct 18, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a dead, deflated, quiet stadium

can get the point across perhaps with greater impact than boos.

Beat Texas

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 17, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

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