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Killing Two Birds With One Stone.

       With all of the ideas thrown around over the last few days about who should be acquired and who should go, I am surprised to have not seen more discussion about Brian Giles. Two things were made fairly obvious in the loss to the Dodgers: We need a legitimate leadoff hitter and a productive right fielder. Giles takes care of both of those needs, and if signed or traded for would arguably be our best outfielder. Lets take a look at Giles and his situation.

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       The Padres have the right to bring him back for another year for nine million dollars. The Padres are also an awful team that would like nothing more than to trade away some of it's veterans for young players who could be of help a year or two down the road. On September 30th MLB.com reported that they are leaning towards bringing him back, but either way he should be high on Hendry's list this off-season. The other player I would like to see on the Cubs next year is Adam Dunn, but bringing him in would be pretty complicated. Getting Giles should not be nearly as tough or require extra shuffling of the roster.

       Despite playing in San Diego for the past five years, Giles has been an extremely productive outfielder, yet no one pays much attention. This past year, at thirty seven years old, he showed that he hasn't lost much. His .306/.398/.456 line is outstanding and would look even better if he didn't play half of his games in Petco. He had twelve home runs and it's not ridiculous to think he could hit 20+ if he played half of his games in Wrigley. To echo something I said before, he appears to be a perfect fit for the Cubs. While he doesn't possess the speed most leadoff hitters do, his OBP skills are off the charts good. I don't know about you, but I would love to have a leadoff hitter that gets on base forty percent of the time and has 30 doubles/ 20 home-run power. Playing Giles in right would allow us to move Fukudome to center and still have a serviceable defender in right. He is no Fukudome with the glove, but he isn't awful either. He's also a lefty to boot.

       So how to get him. Fittingly enough, the Padres are weak in the exact spot the Cubs have spare parts, in middle infield and at catcher. The emergence of Soto has made almost all of their minor league catchers expendable and the Padres are in definite need of a real catcher. Josh Bard and Michael Barrett are underwhelming and have little upside, and even better, they are both free agents. Their youngster, Nick Hundley, did little to impress in his sixty games with the big league club. UP the middle they are even worse. Khalil Greene had a season to forget, posting an awful line of .213/.260/./339 over 105 games. His BA was never his calling card, but his power was and without that he's almost worthless. His defense never was as good as advertised. Their two second basemen, Luis Rodriguez and Edgar Gonzalez did virtually nothing to impress the organization, leaving the team in need of a productive bat at the keystone.  The  Cubs have quite a few players to work with here. If the teams were to work a deal out, DeRosa would become the full time second baseman, leaving Theriot, Fontenot and Cedeno to compete for AB's at short. I wouldn't mind parting with one or two of those to get Giles and maybe something else in return. I believe we also have a nice catching prospect in the minor leagues who could tempt the Padres.

       I may be off base here, but is it just me or does Giles feel like a perfect fit for this team? The Padres seem to need exactly what the Cubs can afford to lose. I hope Hendry tries long and hard to bring in Giles.

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Interesting idea....

I just don’t want to see Derrek Lee be the thing the Cubs can “afford to lose”.

by EJThunder on Oct 17, 2008 1:31 AM CDT reply actions  

doubtful

as the Padres already have Adrian Gonzalez

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by DTJchris on Oct 17, 2008 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Giles

The Giles idea has been floated around before. The problem is, Giles has to approve a deal, and he turned down a deal to go to Boston.

As for the Padres, they are fairly pleased with Nick Hundley, by most accounts. Solid defensively, offers some pop. I’m not a huge fan, but I don’t know how much value they place on acquiring a catcher this offseason. Rumors have them targeting Brad Ausmus to teach Nick Hundley, which if the rumors are true, seems to emphasize their support of Hundley. I’m not sure how much value they would place in acquiring Wellington Castillo.

At 2nd, Antonelli had a horrid year, but it is unlikely they write him off this quick. Also, they’ve added Travis Denker, who was always a bit underrated (or overrated by Giants fans). Certainly, shortstop is an area of need for them, and hence why some rumors suggest that the Peavy talks may be expanded to acquire a shortstop. How much value would Ronny Cedeno or Darwin Barney have?

I’m not sure we are as great a fit as you might think. We lack the top end shortstop value, unless they really like Cedeno or Barney. They liked Pie, so maybe they still do … but unlike last year or before, they now have a good looking CF prospect in Cedric Hunter, likely to be at AA to start 2009. They have corner IF options (Adrian and Blanks at 1st, Chase and Kouz at 3rd). If they keep Kouz, they have one OF spot filled with Chase. They could perhaps use another corner OF.

At the end of the day, it comes back to … Brian Giles has to approve a deal. Will he?

My preferred RF target is still Jeremy Hermida.

by toonsterwu on Oct 17, 2008 1:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Good thought, but not a good fit.

Traditionally, a corner outfielder provides power. Giles hit 12 in Petco this year, which is the worst hitters’ park in MLB. In a better-than-average park like Wrigley, yes, he could hit a few more. However, Giles’ OPS+ has been declining below his career average four out of the last 5 years. Brian does get on base at a career .404 clip, but his numbers of the last five years suggest a decline, which is probably because of his age.

For whatever we would trade, I think the trade would be a minimal increase, at best. We already committed to Fukudome, and although we can play a bit of outfield shuffle, I don’t think he would be worth it. I’d rather have a big-hitter, a few years younger, with a bit more dependability than Giles on the decline would provide. I haven’t decided quite yet who that is.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 17, 2008 1:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Giles is getting so old

He could fall off a cliff at any time.

by Brett Taylor on Oct 17, 2008 6:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Brian Giles will be 38 in January.

Why would you want to bother with someone like this?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 17, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

What exactly do you mean?

Yes he is old, but he is still performing at a high level. I think he could post an .890-.900 OPS in Wrigley and it’s not like we would have to commit to him for four or five years. Edmonds is old but was great for us this year, and Giles is by all means still a very valuable player.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Enough already with the retreads. Let's move on.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 17, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not really sure why I brought up Edmonds.

The fact of the matter is that although Giles is old, he is still a very productive hitter and should be for another season or two, especially in a different venue. He should come cheaper(money-wise and/or prospect-wise) than some of the other options and should leave Hendry with more to go after another pitcher or a position player which he thinks needs to be brought in.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest problem is...

… Giles likes it in San Diego and doesn’t want to leave. He vetoed a deal that would have sent him to Boston — and to the postseason.

There’s no way he’d approve a deal to the Cubs.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 17, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

He’s in early retirement. You couldn’t blow him out of San Diego with a ton of dynamite.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 17, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if they were to not bring him back?

If the Padres chose to not exercise his deal, do you thing he would consider Chicago? I don’t see any other teams in California that would want him? The Dodgers have a very stacked and very expensive outfield as it is. Same goes for the Angels. The Giants don’t have a vacancy in the outfield either. Oakland could use him, but he might be too expensive and they have a lot of young talent that they seem to be happy with.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

I suspect if the Padres say they don’t want him any more, he’ll retire.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 18, 2008 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

giles

all but said that he wasnt playing anywhere but the west coast. he vetoed a trade that would have sent him to the red sox.

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by cubsluver22 on Oct 17, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they are going to go the trade route for a lefty power bat

Then they need to look at somebody like Aubrey Huff (He can fill in multiple positions: 1B, 3B, and RF) and he is 6 years younger. The question they would need to ask themselves is his 08 season a mirage or has he recaptured some of his early form.

I don’t have any opinion….just another name to discuss.

"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban

by TheRiot Police on Oct 17, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I have thought about Huff,

but I don’t think we have an open spot for him. He hasn’t played right field in over two years and only played thirty-seven games there in 2006. Like with the Dunn situation, we would have to clear out Lee to bring him in.
Looking at his underlying stats, outside of BA he should be able to maintain most of his numbers. His BB rate is the same as last year’s and right around his career norm. His hit rate should regress a bit, resulting in a dip in BA and OBP, but he should still hit around .280 and get on base at a .345 clip. The only thing he is doing different this year is hitting more fly balls. He has never hit this many in his career. His HR/FB is slightly above his career norm, but not unsustainable. As long as he keeps up those fly ball ways he should be a pretty productive hitter. He also doesn’t strike out all that much, which is nice.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with Huff...

Is that the MLB is a what can you do for me now league and pays big for one year break out seasons. Huff will have a big price tag

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Oct 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see how you would be killing two birds with one stone.

The Cubs specifically want/need a LHB with power to play RF and bat in the middle of the order.

Even if Giles brings 20 HR power, he can’t bat leadoff and bat between Ramy and Sori/Soto/DeRo to break up the RHBs at the same time. That’s why Lou started Dome #5 instead of at the top of the order where a some power/high OBP belongs.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 17, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

The two birds here are a

leadoff hitter and a right fielder. As of right now, the Cubs are in need of three things: A lefty power hitter, a right fielder and a leadoff hitter. Giles could conceivably do two of those things very well and one of them decently. He has 15-20 homer and 40 doubles pop and can get on base with the best of them. He doesn’t give us the middle of the order bat we need, but he does fill two thirds of the criteria.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where would you play the lefty power hitter?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 17, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way I see it,

with or without Giles the only spot we would have for a lefty power hitter is first base. Dunn and Teixeira, the only free agents that fit that description, would have to play first base. Dunn obviously has played in the OF before, but he is no way an outfielder.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

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