Should the Cubs go after Jake Peavy?
by Neifi Puppy on Oct 17, 2008 6:28 PM CDT
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Peavy said he would waive his no trade clause for the following teams: Atlanta Braves , St. Louis Cardinals, the Chicago Cubs, the Los Angeles Dodgers and Houston Astros. I kow Peavy is a bit of a hot head, and he does have some injury history....but he's certainly in the top 10 pitchers in baseball. Thoughts? Which current starter would you bump from the rotation?
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Yes but what can we give them?
I would love to see Peavy pitch for us but Cubs can’t possibly resign Dempster as well?
Padres would have no interest in Marquis and I don’t know which prospects of ours they would like?
by ak123 on Oct 17, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they want
a young near mlb ready center fielder (pie) and a few pitching prospects. So it could be done ecspecially since he has that no trade clause and can limit this down to just a few teams. I think the deal would definitley include pie as well a few pitchers and maybe an additional package. I hate to say it but maybe they would be set on Marmol considering Hoffmans end is near. Who knows. It seems like the Cubs are far behind these other teams listed. I also think I heard milwaukee is considering getting involved so who knows.
by Glacier on Oct 17, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol?
I hope he’s one of the few untouchables of The cubs. Let’s be serious, unless Kerry Wood signs a 3 year deal, Marmol is the closer of the organizations future and he’s the teams cheapest option.
I’d rather have an effective closer than an effective starter. Anyone who disagrees with me can see the Mets this year when Santana pitched.
by ak123 on Oct 18, 2008 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but we also if samardzija cashner guzman and ceda all who could be future closers. and its pretty likely that wood will be around still. and i much rather have an effective starter considering our bullpen depth. luckily we are not the mets, we have many viable bullpen options.
by Glacier on Oct 18, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol was incredible this year, no doubt...
but no relief pitcher should ever be considered untouchable.
by kanderber on Oct 18, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought I was the 1st on it...
can my post be deleted, and perhaps added here as a comment?
by daily2b on Oct 17, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
anyway...
I hope the Cubs pursue this. I really like Peavy, he is filthy. One of the guys I see as very unpleasasnt to hit against. They like PIe, don’t they…?
by daily2b on Oct 17, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we just discuss this?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Oct 17, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's deja vu all over again!
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
by calicubfan on Oct 17, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id take Peavy over Dempster any day
But we dont have what it takes to make that deal…. I wasnt aware he was a “hot head” though
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 17, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the cubs should try to work a deal!
the cubs should make a offer, they need to stop houston and stl from getting him, if one of those teams get him they are contenders in the division. maybe work khalil greene into the deal. offer pie, theriot and a couple of minor league arms. pie is never going to be that good, theroit wont repeat his great 38 rbi season, gotta give some prospects b/c they lose trade value after they are 28, 29, 30 yrs old! lol!
by bassncubs10 on Oct 17, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A report last night said someone contacted the pads wanting greene included in a peavy deal.
And I think that’s gotta be hendry. He’s always had a thing for Khalil.
by shoemile on Oct 17, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
Still, Hendry has wanted that guy for a long time, and I don’t think last season is gonna scare him off.
by shoemile on Oct 17, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
but Greene would be a nice upgrade for the Cubs. I wonder if at this point, the Pads would swap Greene for Cedeno straight up.
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by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greene an upgrade?
In what parallel universe? He hit .213/.260/.339 last year, his fourth straight year of mostly declining performance. I am aware he was injured last year, but unless he proves he’s recovered, I’d stay away. I’d bet the Padres would salivate all over that deal.
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by Al on Oct 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm of the opinion that defense matters more than anything else at SS.
If Theriot hit like Mike Fontenot and could be expected to do the same again, I’d be willing to talk about leaving him at SS. But he didn’t hit that way, his career numbers suggest he’s going to fall back, and Greene’s career numbers suggest he’ll end up being worth more than Theriot next year, if both are healthy. You’re absolutely right that Greene’s health is a concern, but if he’s healthy, I don’t see how Theriot will be better.
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by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Al,
Question for you – let’s leave Theriot out of this. Imagine he is out for next season by some surprise happenstance – since we don’t wish ill on any player, let’s imagine he gets elected president on a write-in campaign and retires from baseball. Who would you pursue for SS?
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by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good question.
Lemme think about that for a bit. The free-agent possibilities don’t excite me, frankly.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 18, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought teams couldn't contact other teams...
…..about their players until after the World Series. Collusion, no?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Oct 18, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's collusion about me thinking about who I'd have if no Theriot?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 18, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing about mere speculation from bloggers....
….I was referring to teams talking about other teams players before the World Series is over, as was speculated earlier in this thread.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Oct 18, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that collusion?
There’s no obligation to have open bidding when trading a player. If San Diego chooses to only negotiate with teams that are no longer playing, that is certainly there perogative.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 18, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your'e right..
…..it’s only collusion if other teams talk to other teams Free Agents.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Oct 18, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that would be tampering
Collusion is if several teams get together and make agreements that would inhibit a free market.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 18, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that only applies to free-agents-to-be
who can’t file until after the WS.
Teams can talk about trading players under their control any time they wish.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 18, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's got the best glove I've seen in years
I think he’s confused by constantly rotating batting coaches and the Petco effect. I’d take his troubles over Cedeno. I think the kid is fixable.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 18, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prior to 2008
Greene’s road splits were vastly better. I’m not saying go get Greene, but I think his defense is about equal and while Theriot is a safer bet right now, I can see a gambler hoping that Greene is healthy and hoping that, fully away from Petco, he comes a solid hitter.
by toonsterwu on Oct 18, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Cedeno to Greene also
but Lou wouldn’t play Cedeno at SS if Theriot was elected president and hired every SS and 2B except Cedeno to be in his cabinent.
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by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you r on crack!
cedeno sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hevent we seen what no-tool-cedeno can do playing a whole season? greene could be one of those guys that needs a scenery change. he is a upgrade at ss!
by bassncubs10 on Oct 19, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who'd want Dempster over Peavy or worried we'd not resign Dempster because we got Peavy
Needs to slap themselves in the face about 200 times
by Galvan316 on Oct 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Unless Jim Hendry is prepared to package something like Jeff Samardzija, Josh Vitters and a couple more prospects I wouldn’t lose sleep thinking about Jake Peavy.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 17, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they could include Marmol
That might pique their interest
by shoemile on Oct 17, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no!!!!
you can not get rid of marmol, he is nasty, he should be the closer if wood isnt resigned.
by bassncubs10 on Oct 18, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make a lot of business sense,
with the amount of money Peavy is owed and with Marmol still making the minimum.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 18, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They
would not want samardzija. Samardzjia has a no trade clause as well as an expensive contract(for a young player). They probably dont have a big interest in vitters. i think this deal could get done with pie, ceda, and a couple other propects. maybe hill or marmol included in there"
by Glacier on Oct 17, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Why wouldn’t they want Vitters? The best player in this system and they’ll pass?
I don’t see a fit unless Peavy exercises his no-trade to come here. On paper, too many teams have more assets to offer out of those that have been named (Braves definitely do, so do the Dodgers, Cardinals). Unless Towers has a huge liking to some of our guys, I don’t see it.
They’ll likely want high end starting caliber arms. Who do we have to spin to them?
by toonsterwu on Oct 18, 2008 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the problems in us getting a deal done.
Although, DePodesta’s computer could fall in love with Fontenot – that could swing things in our favor.
Should Hendry try and get Peavy? Of course! There’s no question there. Should Cub fans expect that it might happen? No way.
But if it could happen it would be because the Pads decide that they really like Pie, Fontenot, or Marshall. If the Padres believe Pie is real, if they believe Fontenot is a .290/.375/.500 hitter, and they believe Marshall can stay healthy, we would have room to be competitive on a deal – but that’s if they believe all those things and they may not believe any of them.
I think Samardzija could be willing to waive his NTC, because, let’s face it – pitching in Petco is great for your career.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DePo
Even if he did like Fontenot, it would be hard to make a case that Travis Denker is that much worse. Add in Matt Antonelli will get another shot to come back.
I think Samardzija wants to be close to home. None of us really know … but I’d bet on home vs. career. That’s partly why we were able to convince him to go baseball all in.
by toonsterwu on Oct 18, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Jake Peavy we could win a World Series!
maybe…i guess…whatever
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 17, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will give them Edmonds back for Peavy!!!
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Oct 17, 2008 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Cupboards are bare people, get it through your heads!
We’ve got nothing to snag a top of line player like that given the state of the minor league system, hell, we couldnt even get Brian Roberts. Had Harden not been such a walking MASH unit, we wouldve never gotten him either.
I hate to say it, but those are the facts; no one wants Pie, the team wont trade Shark or Vitters (nor should they), even those two might not be enough….so until guys like Vitters, Colvin or Cashner start coming through, the team has to be built via Free Agency or shrewd/timely/lucky trading.
Jake Peavy is a Cy Young winner and bonified Ace and we dont have any LaPortas, Longorias, Kershaws or Uptons in the minors…..so he’s not coming to the Cubs unless the Padres are feeling generous.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 17, 2008 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody else...
has any Longorias or Uptons in the minors either.
But yes, we have little to offer.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 17, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
thats just ridiculous. You make it seem like players the Longoria, Uptons or Kershaw grow on tress. Upton is a sick force number 1 draft pick and will have a phenomenal career. Longoria has been a beast for a few years now. Kershaw is one of the best if not the best young pitchers out there. He hasnt proven much yet but that kid is damn sick. These are/were top ranked minor leaguers in the MLB. These are hard to find.
Also our farm system has been nicely rebuilt within the last few years. Its not going to be a quick process but it has been improving. We have alot of interesting propects for future. Ceda, colvin, veal, vitters, cashner, carpenter, and many others could all have great careers and even though not every one of those are eligible to be traded, they are still valuable chips.
by Glacier on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
None of those are considered high end starting arms. Donald Veal has fallen off the map. Not only is the production lacking, but some reports late in the year suggested he was tossing in the high 80’s. Ceda/Cashner are both pen arms, and Carpenter is still a work in progress that needs to find a 3rd pitch. Otherwise, he might end in the pen as well.
The farm has improved in terms of upside … but enough to make a trade for Peavy this year? Unless Peavy exercises his no-trade to specifically target us … or Towers and Co. like guys in our system more than most (and it’s not as if we have their style of hitters, notwithstanding the fact that their main positional need is shortstop, where we lack a top asset).
In the end, only time will tell, but I’ll be surprised if our system has enough to convince the Padres to make a deal, considering they can simply hold onto Jake and wait until midseason.
by toonsterwu on Oct 18, 2008 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have a top prospect in the traditional sense at SS, but we do have young, cheap middle infield assets
I think what we do have at SS may actually be competitive with what other NL teams have to trade at SS. The two exceptions there are the Escobars, but neither of them may be available. Hardy is probably getting too expensive tor the Pads. So, what else is available at SS in the NL? I’d take Cedeno over Lillibridge and maybe even over Hu, too.
Who knows, Theriot’s hitting style might work for the Pads – they have trouble getting RH bats to hit in Petco, but Theriot’s slap it to the right style wouldn’t be hampered in Petco. If they buy into Theriot as a SS, he could be a target for them. He could be a target as a 2B.
Look, I think a Peavy trade is highly unlikely, but I think SS is actually where our trade chips have some value – not Peavy value, to be clear – but rather I don’t think there’s a SS prospect out there with Peavy value. If the Brewers put Alcides on the table and that’s what the Pads want, well, then, Peavy’s a Brewer. But, the Brewers appear to be cost cutting and moving towards Alcides…
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 18, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not ridiculous, its fact
In recent years when they throw out the top 50/100 prospects (I think its Baseball America), the Cubs arent terribly well represented.
To get a top of the line player via trade, like Peavy or Sabathia etc, you need top blue chip prospects, like those mentioned above. If you look around at the rest of the majors, most teams have a guy like that who the fans are clamoring for and who other GMs covet, while the Cubs do not.
The Reds have Jay Bruce, the Stros had Pence, Rays have Price and Beckham, the Marlins have Maybin, the Orioles have Wieters etc etc.
My point was the Cubs farm system has no blue chip prospects sufficient to acquire a player of Peavy’s caliber. And our best one, Vitters, doesnt exactly have a rocket strapped to his back.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 18, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
but look at the teams you listed. the reds, rays, marlins, orioles have had horrible teams that last few years and have thus gotten those high picks. Also the Astros minor league system is one of the biggest jokes in MLB so not a good example. also three of those players listed :price bruce and pence are already in the majors so you might as well include the cubs with soto and marmol.
by Glacier on Oct 18, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and No
Marmol and Soto were never that highly regarded as minor leaguers, Sotos amazing MVP minor league season was a huge surprise, but I see what youre saying, but look at the Red Sox, theyve had Ellsbury, Bucholz, Lester, Lowrie and Pedroia who were all considered upper crust prospects and theyve been top of the AL for the past few years; so its no wonder Crane wants to model the Cubs after them.
My point was that we dont have the minor league system necessary to make trades for MVPs or Cy Youngs. The Braves are already talking about including Yunel Escobar and/or Kelly Johnson in addition to minor leaguers.
So i dont think Samardzija, Marmol or Vitters (arguably our three most valuable youngsters) are going anywhere, especially not for Peavy, and Shark and Vitters are still relatively unproven, especially Vitters.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 18, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fans agree
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Oct 18, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After about ten seconds this gets kind of freaky,
especially that face on the bottom right hand corner.
by dakoose on Oct 18, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That girl is Milton's wife
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 18, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would never give up Marmol
anytime soon anyway. He is the closer of our future and barring injury etc. his stock can only go up.
by iowacubfan69 on Oct 18, 2008 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Peavy is a great pitcher
so don’t get me wrong. But here’s his career postseason stats:
0-2 with a 12.10 ERA
Yes, small sample size, but we need proven postseason experience, that’s what this team needs. We have the ability to win in the regular season already, what we should be looking for are players who will help us win the postseason.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Oct 18, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they are not going to sign Dempster...
…they should give it a go for sure, but I highly doubt they will be able to match the packages other teams will be able to put together. Also, unless you let Dempster go, the number one priority should be the lefty bat and a leadoff guy.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 18, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Braves have the best shot.
They have more OF prospects than the Cubs — and, Peavy’s Alabama home isn’t too far away. The Pads want multiples, especially in the OF, so I think Atlanta’s the likely destination, if indeed — he is dealt.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 18, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Cubs already have a great deal of money invested in their starting rotation
and Peavy is owed a whole boatload. That alone seems to me to make it unlikely for a trade to happen.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 18, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His salary is actually a bargain...
..for how good a pitcher he is. Look what the Mets pay Santana
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
by calicubfan on Oct 19, 2008 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster, Marquis, Marshall, Pie, Theriot, Derek Lee, Fukudome, etc...
I’d trade all that and much more for Peavey and then sign Dunn. I’d even throw in our last 5 position player prospects that are still in the minors just to clean house.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 19, 2008 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget Jake Peavy
Is Jim Hendry or any of you prepared to package something like Carlos Marmol, Josh Vitters and other considerations to go get him? Then find the dollars to sign him to a contract?? I didn’t think so.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 19, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the money...
…as an issue, because you can just forgoe signing Dempster (which will be more than Peavy is making in the short term). The problem will be the young talent the Pads will be looking for, and yet another issue when your farm is not producing enough talent.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 19, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’m on record of being against giving Ryan Dempster a 4 year contract in the neighborhood he commands. As much as I like and admire Dempster I have strong suspicion the Cubs will rue the day they handed him over a fat long term deal. But I’ve got to believe that Hendry is lasered in on giving Dempster his money. Hendry will never be accused of having the best talent evaluation skills, nor of letting objective analysis rule over his heart. Hendry has started to become Ned Colletti and default to passing out big checks with little regard for what good baseball talent evaluation would say or any fear of having back-loaded contracts with no-trade clauses come back to bite. Hendry is living very much in the immediate term.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 19, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't read or talked
to Dempster to know what he commands. If you have talked to him please enlighten us as to what it is exactly he is commanding.
by sue369 on Oct 20, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well jeepers Sue, it doesn't take a genius to understand the going market...
Kyle Lohse is inferior to Ryan Dempster and recently signed a 4 year, $41 million deal to stay in St. Louis. Gil Meche got 5 years and $55 million from Kansas City a couple years ago and I’d successfully argue that Dempster is a better pitcher. Our very own Ted Lilly got 4 years and $40 million.
So with that all said?? I think it’s reasonable to say the “going rate” for Ryan Dempster will start in the territory of 4 years and $45 million plus. Does that align with what the Farmer’s Almanac is telling you?
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 20, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well as always BM
you made it sound like you knew exactly what he would be commanding. What you are doing is just speculating as you always do. Oh and by the way, just because I’m from Iowa does not mean I am associated with farming. I grew up in a city. But if it makes you feel better to stereo type go right ahead.
by sue369 on Oct 20, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pound sand
You make cheapshot after cheapshot. Then when somebody responds to your sarcastic cheapshot you get all defensive. In case you haven’t been paying attention this is an anonymous chat board that owes its being to opinion sharing.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 20, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...SHARING...you should try it sometime.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 20, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have
your daughter write you some new material.
by sue369 on Oct 20, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point well stated
Evaluation of talent, hhmmmmm is that important?
by GHCF2314 on Oct 19, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not saying we should do it...
but what if we were to shop Z, and get Peavy. Not saying we should and not saying the prospects would be the same, but would we be better off with Peavy than Z?
by jbertram on Oct 20, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals...Supposedly not interested
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 20, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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