All A-Loney: Cubs Lose Game 1 To Dodgers 7-2
Here's the very first thing I want all of you to remember this morning, as fans: do NOT give in to the temptation to think, "Here we go again!"
There are two things that truly bothered me about the Cubs' truly awful 7-2 loss to the Dodgers last night.
First, it didn't feel like a playoff game -- not in the least. There wasn't the usual electricity you feel in the stands even before the game. Now, maybe you could chalk this up to the odd starting time, but that's not really an excuse; the park was filled at the first pitch, but there seemed no excitement, no buzz, no anticipation, no sense that this wasn't just another game on, say, May 1 instead of October 1. Even after Mark DeRosa's windblown homer that gave the Cubs a 2-0 lead, there wasn't the hiked-up level of excitement you'd expect. The scoreboard operators must have figured it was a regular-season game, too, because they kept adjusting everyone's batting average each at-bat as if their previous AB in the game had been just another regular-season AB. There also wasn't any real buzz on the street, although the city set up barricades on Waveland and Sheffield, expecting people to be sitting outside -- there weren't many more than the usual crowd on Waveland during the game. One guy spent several innings writing "GO CUBS GO" in huge letters in chalk on the street, but that was about it for anything unusual.
Second, this one's on Lou. Seriously -- if you have two pitchers (Sean Marshall and Jason Marquis) who are starters or pitchers used to going extended periods, on the roster for the specific purpose of using them in long relief, why wouldn't you use them that way on a night when it was clear that your starter had absolutely no command? This is something Lou did all year during the time when he had Jon Lieber in the bullpen -- refusing to use Lieber in the very long-relief situations that he was specifically on the roster to fill.
Ryan Dempster, who is a standup guy (and ditch the full beard, Ryan -- it looks awful), would probably be the first to tell you that he sucked last night. Part of the problem was home plate umpire Dale Scott's bizarre strike zone -- pitches that appeared right down the middle were called balls, while breaking stuff in the dirt got called as strikes -- which might have made Dempster try to adjust, getting him out of his normal rhythm and as the night went on, generating more and more pitches out of the zone (57 balls out of 109 pitches).
But Lou stuck with him. And as it turned out, probably two batters too long. After Dempster walked Manny Ramirez, his fifth free pass of the game, even though the Cubs still had a 2-0 lead at the time, Lou should have yanked him, especially with the lefthanded hitting Andre Ethier and James Loney coming up next. Marshall was ready to go and there were two out; we figured maybe Lou had fallen asleep in the cold. Even giving Lou the benefit of the doubt because of his decades of experience, once Ethier walked, loading the bases, Marshall should have been in there.
So this one's on you, Lou. You've done great things for this franchise -- but not last night. It didn't help that Marshall, Jeff Samardzija and Marquis all allowed single runs in their relief work; this turned a possibly workable 4-2 deficit into a 7-2 blowout, the exclamation point of which was Greg Maddux' appearance in the 9th inning. Maddux, the only Dodger who got cheers on pregame introduction (loud boos were reserved for LA's other ex-Cubs, Nomar Garciaparra and Juan Pierre), received only tepid applause when introduced to begin the 9th, possibly the last time Cub fans will see him pitch in Wrigley Field.
The other culprits are the highly-paid Alfonso Soriano and Aramis Ramirez, who vanished in last year's division series and who went a combined 1-for-9 last night. Frankly, I was surprised any balls went out of the yard last night with the wind blowing in the way it was; DeRosa's blast was actually blown out because the wind was sort of blowing across from center to right field; the other homers cut through the teeth of the wind, including Manny's... and that one's on Lou, too, because none of us could believe he left Marshall in to pitch to Manny, among the biggest mismatches I've ever seen in a playoff game. Incidentally, perhaps only funny moment last night was provided by Manny; he threw the warmup ball into the LF bleachers just below us going into the bottom of the 9th. It was promptly flung back on the field; Manny ducked (the ball wasn't really that close to him). If you're going to the game and thinking about doing this -- don't. The thrower was promptly ejected, because throwing anything but a HR ball back isn't allowed.
So. What have the Cubs lost here? Not the series -- there's still time, although it's at a premium in a short series. The Dodgers swiped home-field advantage, essentially; the Cubs can steal it back by winning the next two games. I note that the best team in baseball, the Angels, also lost their first game at home to the Red Sox. Carlos Zambrano -- you've got to be on your game tonight. No histrionics, no stomping around, no bat-breaking, just your best stuff, like you had on September 14 in Milwaukee.
Finally, a word about the game threads. I have heard from a few people telling me how nasty it got in there. I do understand frustration and wanting to "get it out". All I ask is that you keep the profanity down and most importantly, don't attack others.
This isn't 2003 or 2007 or any of the other years where the Cubs failed. Remember what all of us have been saying, almost all year? This feels different; this team is different. They've come back from crushing defeats before. There is a lot of baseball still to be played by the Chicago Cubs in 2008. Onward, because the best IS yet to come.
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they’re playing?
Maybe they will “wine” or “whine” in the next three…
by The E-Man on
Oct 2, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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Might I recommend
a bold Merlot?
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
Oct 2, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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I prefer Pinot Grigio, myself.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Oct 2, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Haha.
Sideways?
The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Oct 2, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Whoops :)
If they don’t win, I’ll be hitting the wine hard…
by bergs55 on
Oct 2, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Oct 2, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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Night Train
"Can that be used in a sentence now as a swear word? as in "That was the most White Sox White Soxing call I’ve ever White Sox seen in all my years of watching this White Sox game. White Sox it all to hell!" Weeghman Park
by derv on
Oct 2, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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That Night Train's a mean wine
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on
Oct 2, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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LOVE THAT STUFF!
AND I CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH!
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 2, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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What's the price?
50 THRICE!
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Oct 2, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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also known as panty removers...
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on
Oct 2, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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Do you just pour it on and they dissolve?
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Oct 2, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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Think the Germans invented it
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on
Oct 2, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Let's win the SECOND game!!
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 2, 2008 8:25 AM CDT 0 recs
+2
Season’s on the line, hate that I have to type that so early in the playoffs.
by southloop on
Oct 2, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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not yet
the boston red sox lost the first two games of a five-game series against oakland in 2003, came back and swept the back 3 to win the series.
Not something you want to try to do, but there is precedent.
The season will be on the line when and if the Cubs face an elimination game. Not before.
by SuperContext on
Oct 2, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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I believe they lost the first 2 in Oakland
and then went back to Boston and won the next 2 games.
With the Cubs starting out at home, it’s imperative, they win tonight.
Hopefully, the Cubs will win tonight so we won’t be talking about going down 0-2.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Oct 2, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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I sure hope youre right
I just cant help but shake the "here we go again " feeling b/c last nites performance was so different from the regular season, it just seemed they were rushing in all aspects of the game…..I suspect that feeling was echoing throughout the stadium, leading to the libray-esque atmosphere
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 2, 2008 8:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Al, you are spot on...
My 2 gripes was the crowd and Lou… and you covered them both. Seems like Lou forgets how to manage in these 5 game series.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Oct 2, 2008 8:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks Al,
reading your post made me feel a whole lot better this morning. I think Z is going to be on a mission tonight. Here is to a Cub win tonight!!
by 23Ryno on Oct 2, 2008 8:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Al--your recap is very heartening
and I agree with much of it, but sometimes it hurts so much to love this team that I wish I didn’t. But it’s a codpendant dysfunctional relationship and I can’t stop it. Doggone this stuff is painful sometimes
Z has said this is his team. tonight he gets to rpove it—one way or the other.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on Oct 2, 2008 8:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks Al
For stopping by last night, good to finally meet you. A very kind gesture on your part
Let’s go out and get them tonight and even this thing up, 1-1 with Harden on the mound for Game 3 doesn’t sound so bad does it?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 2, 2008 8:29 AM CDT 0 recs
Nice to meet you and your dad, too.
Sorry you had to sit through such an awful game. We’ll get ’em tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Oct 2, 2008 8:33 AM CDT
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Harden
Isn’t Harden our most consistent SP? I wondered that when the rotation was set — he will be limited to one start in this series. Wouldn’t he be a more reliable start tonight than Z?
by SETX Cub on Oct 2, 2008 8:30 AM CDT 0 recs
he's limited to one start
because of his arm, not the schedule.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Oct 2, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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He can't even pitch on five days' rest?
I understand he’s been iffy on normal rest, which is four days off in between starts, but if he went last night he could have pitched game 5 on five days’ rest. I thought he did well with that extra day.
This kind of bugs me, unless he’s taking more time to receover now than in July.
I know the previous poster was talking about Harden going tonight, not last night. Just frustrated because Harden was my original pick for Game 1 due to the team’s winning percentage when he starts.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Oct 2, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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If he pitched game 1
I suppose he could pitch game 5. Other than that, tho, he’s not available twice in a five game series.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Oct 2, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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I have faith in Z...
But the offense is what worries me. Lou kept bringng up the starting pitching and relief work during his press conference last night, did he even mention the offense?
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 2, 2008 8:32 AM CDT 0 recs
Sigh...
I felt lifeless last night after that Grand Slam… once I saw Dempster’s pitch count was about 99 going into the 5th I had a feeling that we were in trouble, unfortunately it was right. Unfortunately this feeling is carrying into the morning, although by gametime it will turn into excitement and anticipation. Losing Game 1 of a 5 game series sucks though.
by GoCubbies34 on Oct 2, 2008 8:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Game was borderline tragic...
I have never been more deeply disappointed and saddened by a one game performance. The Cubs failed on all cylinders last night. Alfonso Soriano continued with the disapperance act of last year’s playoffs against Arizona. The offense overall reverted to it’s dysfunctional and inept way. Ryan Dempster puckered up big time. The achilles heel of this team, middle relief, reared it’s ugly head.
Give credit to Joe Torre and the Dodgers. They executed and played a smart ballgame even though, like Arizona, they are allegedly “inferior” on paper.
Very worried about today’s game. Carlos Zambrano has become an unstable wildcard. And you just know that Torre and the Dodger hitters are going to try and get inside his head. I wish Rich Harden or Ted Lilly were going today. Soriano MUST show up because it has been proven that he is the catalyst that makes everything go on this offense.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Oct 2, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Stat of the day
the winner of game 1 in the NLDS has won 23 of 26 series. This ain’t over, but if history is any guide, then the Cubs are down to about a 5% shot in this.
/runs to corner and puts arms over head.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Oct 2, 2008 8:36 AM CDT
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I thought it was 24 of 28...
One of those four teams who pulled it off was none other than the 2003 Marlins.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on
Oct 2, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Either way
it ain’t good. But it makes little difference now. If they don’t win tonight, then it’s over.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Oct 2, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
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OTOH...
… AL teams split (12-14) after winning the first game. These numbers scream out “small sample size”.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Oct 2, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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That actually is the best news I've heard yet
And gives some confidence to me. The Dodgers are not a better team than the Cubs and as someone said above, 1-1 with Harden in that massive stadium in Chavez ravine, and I like our chances.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Oct 2, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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The whole 24 of 28 stat is not that frightening (to me).
we can add it to the list of amazing accomplishments for this year’s club when they win this series.
That being said, we really need the good Z tonight.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on
Oct 2, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Nope, the not winning the WS for 100 years is much more daunting.
All we have to do is win 3 games, they’ve done that LOTS of times all year long.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Oct 2, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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True...
More pressure, that’s all this team needs. sigh
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on
Oct 2, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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The playoffs are all about pressure and what team can handle it best.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Oct 2, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Al- your feeling about tonight's game?
Feeling positive, negative, someplace in between?
(By the way, I read your post game 7 2003 nlcs post yesterday before the game. I have to admit, there was almost tears; I had forgotten how terrible I felt for about three days)
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Oct 2, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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I'm always positive, as you know.
But Z had better pitch the game of his life tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Oct 2, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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I feel strongly that Z is going to pitch well tonight.
Hopefull, the offense will be able to get going.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Oct 2, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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If he doesnt there needs to be a quick hook!
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on
Oct 2, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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True stat, but....
As someone on another blog pointed out, frequently this is because the team losing the first game pitched their ace in that game and then it was downhill from there. I would argue that Z (if he is on), Harden and Lilly are, on a given night, going to give you as good an opportunity to win the game as Demp.
Yeah, it sucks to lose the home field advantage but I am not sure how much of an advantage the Dodger’s park is for them.
Come back in off the ledge folks.
by jking79 on
Oct 2, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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Dodgers play in a pitcher's park
and I still think our pitchers are better.
Advantage = Cubs.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on
Oct 2, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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if we're going to win this thing
we’re going to have to defy a whole lot of history along the way. Adding another stat to the mix isn’t a big deal
The Red Sox busted things up by coming back from down 0-3
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 2, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
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+100
trends are gonna have to not mean anything for this team.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on
Oct 2, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Well
If it’s stats you want, over the last 99 years, the Cubs have won exactly zero World Series championships, which translates into 0. So, if the Cubs chances are really at 5 as you suggest, I kind of like those odds.
History isn’t necessarily a guide to anything. Remember that.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on
Oct 2, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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If that's the most disappointed you've ever been,
you must not have been a Cub fan for very long.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Oct 2, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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I agree with you on Soriano... He needs to get it going.
he definitely sets the tone… and Lou, PLEASE, if you’re going to play Dome, bat him 8th.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Oct 2, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Batters 1 through 5
cannot go 2-19 with two walks. Simple as that.
by TC Cubby on
Oct 2, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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Question:
Would you even have visited the site this morning had we won?
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Oct 2, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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Maybe Felix Pie
will come through with a big clutch hit.
He’s on the post-season roster, you know.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Oct 2, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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I told you Hoff shoulda made the roster!
Pie didn’t do anything last night!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Oct 2, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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guess sitting
bench warmer!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Oct 2, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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If the Cubs can win the next 2 games
they will be fine. If not, I fear this will be the end of the line. If Z can win tonight (and let’s face it, if he doesn’t this is over anyway), then I think Harden will mow them down on Saturday and we can take this thing.
Al is exactly right, there was no reason to leave Dempster out there last night. Period. Not with a fully rested bullpen.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Oct 2, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Piniella has little faith in his middle relief
Can’t say that I blame him.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Oct 2, 2008 8:36 AM CDT
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don't disagree
but when a guy has walked SEVEN, you might not need to lose some faith in him…
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 2, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Well, this ballgame was lost by failure on all cylinders, not just Ryan Dempster
The offense was horrificly bad. I will criticize Lou Piniella harshly on a few things, and that is the presence of Kosuke in the lineup and Ryan Theriot buried in the # 8 hole. Theriot is the one Cub who works the count and has been the ignitor. Also, I don’t care if DeRosa’s ankle is troublesome…Mike Fontenot MUST be inserted into the lineup with DeRosa moving to right.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Oct 2, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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the majority of the games we won
against the Dodgers this year we scored less than 4 runs. Not saying 2 was going to be enough to win it by any means, and the offense certainly did let us down. But Dempster’s the main culprit for last night
His inability to throw strikes led to 4 big runs and then led to the middle relief having to be used. If Dempster throws strikes its a different story
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 2, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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Well, the only solution to poor starting pitching in this series is going to Carlos Marmol ridiculously early in a ballgame...
Is that the right thing to do? Probably not. Do you burn through Marmol in hopes that you can mount a comeback offensively? Marmol can’t pitch multiple innings every game of the series. But it sure seems like that is going to be needed.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Oct 2, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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i dont think you do either
but Marshall only allowed 1 ER in 2 1/3 innings and it was a monster shot by Manny. He struck out 4. He was actually fine in his role
the problem was Dempster
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Oct 2, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Manny
also hit that ball off his shoe tops. No one else in the league gets that ball in the air, IMO.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Oct 2, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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