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Official Discussion Thread, ALDS Game #1 (White Sox/Rays) and NLDS Game #2 (Brewers/Phillies)

MLB.com Gameday for White Sox/Rays -- game time 1:30 pm CT

Today's Starting Pitchers
Javier Vazquez
J. Vazquez
White Sox
vs. James Shields
J. Shields
Rays
12-16 W-L 14-8
4.67 ERA 3.56
200 SO 160
61 BB 40
25 HR 24
vs. TB -- vs. Chi

MLB.com Gameday for Brewers/Phillies -- starting time 5:00 pm CT

Today's Starting Pitchers
CC Sabathia
CC Sabathia
Brewers
vs. Brett Myers
B. Myers
Phillies
17-10 W-L 0-0
2.70 ERA 4.14
251 SO 35
59 BB 27
19 HR 29
vs. Phi -- vs. Mil

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For My First Time EVER!!!!

by niuhuskie224 on Oct 2, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I predict...

…a Sox win today.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you see that Vazquez is pitching?

He’s been horrible the last two starts.

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Oct 2, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a gut feeling

n/t

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonna disagree with you.

The Sox have just won three elimination games in a row — real emotional. They have a tough time winning in domes — they were 2-14 indoors this year (and got swept at Tampa, just like the Cubs did).

I can’t figure out how the Rays did it this year either, but somehow they keep winning. The Sox could get swept.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Common sense...

…would agree with you, but I just have a feeling they will win today, but will not win the series.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see

the Sox sweeping. Just took the last three games to get into the playoffs, kinda reminds me of the Rockies last season. Went on a nice streak to get in and continued throughout the playoffs. Forgot what happened in the WS though…. didn’t they come close to winning?? :)

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on Oct 2, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree if anyone else were starting

but Vasquez + big stage = blow-out for the Rays.

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im calling it

Rays 3-2 over the Sox : Sox don’t play well in domes
Brewers 4-2 over the Phillies: Sabbathia continues to give every NL GM reason to beg his owner for a chance to give this 100+ million next offseason.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Oct 2, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

basically (I usually don’t worry about predicting scores). The Sox are going to lose, the Brewers should win with CC on the mound. Only one team has beaten CC since he came to the Brewers and their name rhymes with stubs, not willies.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Reds beat CC on Sept 20

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200809200.shtml

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Oct 2, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey!

don’t mess up my great rhymes with facts! :P

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey it sounded right since he is 11-2 with the Brewers

and the Cubs did beat him in two starts.

We had him beat in his first start but the Brew Crew tied the game after CC left. Howry gave up a HR to Branyan to blow the save. Go figure!

Torres took the loss.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Oct 2, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets go Rays and Lets go Brew Crew

I want the other NLDS to go to at least 4 games, as ours better

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Phillies look like a team that is going to have special postseason...

I also take contrarian view and think the White Sox will pull upset and dispatch of the youthful Devil Rays in a 3 game sweep.

Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...

by MDBNIU on Oct 2, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

After getting swept there earlier in the year?

Not a chance.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Predicting that Javy Vasquez comes up huge today...

Don’t underestimate the Sox. They are not the best team on paper but for some reason I think their trials and tribulations over this season will serve them well in the playoffs.

Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...

by MDBNIU on Oct 2, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go Phillies, right BlueMike?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care much about the Sox and usually

want them to have a good season. I even believe the Sox making the playoffs and going far is good for Chicago.

All that said, I’ve realized I want them to lose today. Real bad. Has nothing to do with the Sox organization or players. I just don’t want to listen to their fans. My friends and co-workers who are rabid Sox fans are too quick to use Sox success to degrade the Cubs. I don’t want them to have any ammo and I want to focus on the game tonight.

Can’t imagine the Sox will win today, let alone the series.

Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...

by N Oakley on Oct 2, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

im with you

for the most part I don’t care what they do but for mental well being itd be fabulous if they lost this afternoon..

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Oct 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly support the Sox

because I have so many friends that are Sox fans, and I want them to be happy…Same goes for them with the Cubs…

But notice I say SUPPORT. I don’t go out of my way to cheer for them…

The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 2, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

I think the Brewers/Phillies game today will be a close one. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Phillies won. I saw some stats yesterday that showed that, despite popular belief, the Phillies have actually hit better against left-handed pitching this year. Of course, most left handed pitching isn’t CC Sabathia.

Rays/Sox game…..gotta go with the Rays. They play very good baseball down there in Tampa this year.

by rambler19 on Oct 2, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think CC is going to wet the bed this afternoon

And plunge the Brewers into a 0 – 2 hole.

CC is not very good in the playoffs.

by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

If I had to pick a team with the best chance of winning the World Series honesty would prevail me to say the Phillies. I know that team doesn’t have the greatest depth of starting pitching but something tells me that team is going to be unstoppable no matter who they play. They will dispatch of the Brewers quickly.

Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...

by MDBNIU on Oct 2, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'll boot up my Gameday audio...

…for the Sox-Rays game.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just did

but I can not STAND Ed Farmer. The ESPN Nat’l broadcast won’t work.

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm going to suffer through the Farmer/Stone broadcast, too.

Well, at least the “Livin’ the High Life” commercials come through.

“Bistro? What’s a bistro?”

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without being judgemental and "bleeding" over into other posts about the Wrigley crowd last night...

the crowd at the Rays-Sox game already seems more animated, relaxed, loud, into it than we ever did last night and that started with the first White Sox batter in the top of the 1st. Just an observation; not a criticism of anyone in Tampa or Chicago.

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 2, 2008 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is a DOME

sounds noisier to begin with.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember some of the Rays players being a little baffled

at how the stadium was only about half-packed for the entire season for home games. They spend the majority of the season in 1st place, and only now do they get their stadium filled to capacity in the postseason?

If that isn’t a band wagon fan, then I don’t know what is.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone hear they were passing out

Cow Bells for the Rays fans? And you thought the Human Air Raid Siren was bad…..

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing that stadium does NOT need is more cowbell.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And apparently the reason they did is

bc the GM is a huge fan of the Walken skit. I shit you not.

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess it's a "team unity" thing.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they were already a "team" why would they need those?

Just seems sort of high school-ish.

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 2, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like all the Wolves sporting

their best Fu Manchu during the playoffs last season.

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ Upton started it

and it caught on with the rest of the team.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's the Javy Vasquez I know and love

At least he hasn’t walked anyone yet….

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably already said,

but Longoria is so awesome. I hope the Rays win today, both because they’re playing Chicago and that what they’ve done this year is nothing short of incredible.

I still can’t believe the Rays locked up Longoria for 6 years and 17.5 million. Rodriguez makes more in one year than he will in 6 years. Incredible management.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I see a contract re-negotiation in Longoria's future

No way he sticks with that money for SIX years.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he has a similar season to 2008,

I don’t see how there couldn’t be. 17.5 million for 6 years!! I looked up some numbers, and Rodriguez actually almost makes two times(32 million) as much as Longoria’s whole contract, in 2009. I don’t know what to make of that, to tell you the truth.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heading to the Phils/Brewers game in

a hour. My dad called a few days ago with an extra ticket.

When the Phils swept the Brewers at the Bank, C.C didn’t pitch. He will pitch well but it’s all up to Myers for the Phils. Myers pitched great coming back from the minors but has pitched poorly the past few times on the mound.

Hopefully by the time I get home tonight, the Cubs will be way ahead of the Dodgers!

by PhillyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your dad had an extra ticket?

That’s pretty awesome.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad's job

gets him tickets to every sporting event, if he wants them, in Philadelphia. He’s high up in the administration (works in finance) at a university in the Philadelphia area. He deals with contracts and one of them is for who runs the food service at the university. The company that runs the food service at his university is the same one who runs the concessions at the Bank, Linc and Wachovia Center. So this company gets him tickets as a courtesy.

by PhillyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, that's really cool

Especially if your dad is a Philly-based fan. Well, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t jealous.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad is a really big sports fan

He enjoys his job. He says it’s much better than working in the corporate world. He used to work for Aon so he would go out to Chicago a lot. The CEO of Aon is Pat Ryan, who owns part of the Bears and donated all the money for Northwestern’s rebuilding of their athletic facilities.

If he wants to go to any game, he calls up the guy he deals with at the food service company and gets the tickets.

He still can’t believe I’m a Cubs fan.

by PhillyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just turned this game on...

…after getting chinese food. Were those EMPTY SEATS I saw in the upper deck? like, almost whole sections!?

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sox up 3-1 on a HR

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix Pie?

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's in the PTBNL

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many of you remember...

… the homer that Wise hit on October 1, 2004, off Kerry Wood, that put the final nail (mathematical elimination) in the Cubs’ coffin that year?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm gonna be sick

Anyone think he resembles Michael Tucker?

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he just hit a home run.

Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...

by N Oakley on Oct 2, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That coffin was already nailed shut.

By the Mets and Reds earlier that week. Of course, losing two more to the Braves didn’t help, but they were relying on the Cubs running the table and the Astros losing out. Wasn’t gonna happen.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah.

He’s from the Chicago area, right?

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're thinking of Victor Diaz

He also stuck a dagger in the Cubs hearts that week.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Oct 2, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right...

…he was on the Mets.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't we up 2-0 at this point yesterday?

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't remind me.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

And the Angels were up 1-0 early too. That was the last run they scored.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't the Rays

up 1-0 first?

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

As were the Angels at home. As were the Cubs at home. They BOTH lost.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, today is a new day

So there!

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

Nobody would like to see it change more than me.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

Do Yankee fans root for the Mets?

Do Jet fans root for the GIants?

Clippers for the Lakers?

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 2, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a big split on this

Between people who are actually in Chicago and Cubs fans across the nation.

I am in Chicago, so while I normally would not care (or might even root for the Sox), the prospect of them going farther than the Cubs this year makes me cringe because of the amount of crap I would take from Sox fans about it.

So I am rooting for the Sox IF the Cubs can advance too. Otherwise, not so much.

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't care who wins.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aaaaaaaaaaand it's tied.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The AL has some real power-arms

The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 2, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

4-3 Rays!

Longoria ANOTHER HOMER!

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry, their inexperience is showing, remember?

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs win tonight,

Every day will become gang up on CubfaninNY day!!! ;)

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap, two home runs for Longoria!

4-3 Rays.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wheels coming off the White Sox...

inexperience showing.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So... just to make sure...

The Cubs never had a shot at Evan Longoria right?

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They had about as much of a shot at Evan Longoria...

…as I have at….ah, nevermind.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had about as much of a shot at Evan Longoria

…as I have at Eva Longoria.

SO IN OTHER WORDS PRETTY DAMN CLOSE.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"So you're sayin' there's a chance."

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm assuming

The Rays had a much higher draft position than the Cubs that year right?

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno.

Who did they pick that year in the first round?

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Trib says...

The Cubs had the 13th overall pick (I didn’t remember them being that good – for some reason I thought 2005 was a horrid season) and selected “Tyler Colvin”…

Who’s he?

Their next pick, #149 overall, was the Shark. Hmm…

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colvin is teh scuk so far

Well he has some potential but right now he has a horrible batting eye but some raw power, raw speed, etc.

He could become a Dewayne Wise type.

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 2, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember hearing Colvin was supposed to be the 3B replacement

for the Cubs once Ramirez’s career was in the limelight. However, he’s been playing in the outfield with the Cubs. Most notably, LF this year.

He’s been alright. Remember he’s young and was drafted a year out of Clemson, so he still has some growing up to do. I can see him being with the Cubs late 2010, early ’11.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're thinking of Josh Vitters

who was drafted out of HS in 2007. He’s doing quite well in the minors.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They sucked in 2005, which is what I'm confused about.

They had the 3rd worst record in the Major Leagues, 1st in the National League. The only two teams ahead of the Cubs (66 wins) were the Tampa Bay Devil Rays(61 wins) and the KC Royals(62 wins).

How the hell did they pick 13th and not 3rd? I thought they went by worst record for the June drafts?

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2005 Cubs went 79-83

and that was the record that set us for the 2006 draft.

2006 Cubs record set the spot for the 2007 draft where we did have the 3rd pick. We picked Josh Vitters.

We passed on guys like Matt Wieters, Matt LaPorta, Jarrod Parker, Madison Bumgarner, etc.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2007/drafttracker.jsp

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is

Josh Vitters doing?

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THAT'S the guy I was thinking about taking 3B, not Colvin

Man, Vitters has been playing like crap.

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a mixed bag

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Josh%20Vitters&pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519388

He’s 19 years old so he is still very raw. His batting eye could improve, but he’s got a good .AVG going and 25 2Bs and 5 HRs in 259 ABs. At his level, you are looking more at 2Bs instead of HRs because the power develops over time.

I like his chances at starting the season at Peoria and moving up from there.

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeeze louize, this guy's younger than me

Thats freakin weird

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get used to it

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Oct 2, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, get used to it.

I learned recently that Jim Edmonds is younger than me. Now that’s freakin’ weird.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really. You are old.

Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...

by N Oakley on Oct 2, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahaha!!

"Looks like Milwaukee got their No Hitter" -ak123

by NittanyCub on Oct 2, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2006 Notables:

1. Hochevar (KCR)
3. Longoria (TAM)
10. Lincecum (SFG)
13. Colvin (CHC)
21. Kennedy (NYY)
41. Chamberlain (NYY)

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARG!

Why didn’t they pick Tiny Tim!

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps and probably

I read it as “Why didn’t WE pick Tiny Tim”

My bad and I apologize

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 2, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well at least...

We couldn’t have gotten Lincecum either…

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Longoria was selected by the Tampa Bay Rays with the third overall pick in the 2006 Major League Baseball Draft. Longoria, called the “best pure hitter” among college players in the 2006 draft class by Baseball America, was given a $3 million signing bonus.1

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else find it odd...

That both the Cubbies and the Sox have a guy pitching game 1 that probably wouldn’t be considered the “ace” of the staff?

I know, I know, there were very good reasons for starting Demp over Big Z or Harden, and I didn’t really disagree with the decision last week…

At the same time, even though Vasquez isn’t the ace it would have been tough to run out one of their other guys on really short rest…

But still… If the Sox lose this game too, could that be partly to blame for both teams?

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I said,

There were very good reasons for starting him, but I really don’t think you could consider him the overall “ace” of the staff.

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's the best

most consistent pitcher. He’s won the most games. He’s not a dominating pitcher like Z or Harden.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sox are probably doing it out of necessity

Remember, they played three meaningful games in a row just to get in. I have to think they would have went with Buehrle first if they had the luxury of setting up their rotation.

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah they didnt really have a choice

Throwin Buerhle on 3 days rest back to back starts is a bit risky.

by TJ3117 on Oct 2, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe...

From the ESPN radio broadcast:

Stone: “You gotta figure he runs here… He can’t risk a pitchout so he runs here on 2-0”

Other guy: “Yeah and if it’s a strike Aybar will swing at it…”

pitch comes in…

Other guy: “And… the runner doesn’t go, and the pitch is… a strike….. and he didn’t swing at it…”

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was an

ESPN broadcast with Stone as one of the guys doing it….

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

Well the funniness of the quote still stands

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and they have been going off on tangents

Farmer was obsessed with the Tampa fans wearing mohawks. He kept rambling about it for a few innings. I guess the game is not interesting to him.

by Qixotl on Oct 2, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha i heard that too

“Even the women have mohawks!”

by TJ3117 on Oct 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Longoria is a stud

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but

He didn’t hit another home run in his 3rd at bat, just a single to clog the bases! What kind of a ball player is he anyway?!

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They announced on the Score broadcast...

…that Longoria is the first player in major league history to homer in his first two postseason at-bats.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They flashed a stat

on TBS’ broadcast that said Gary Gaetti (sp) did it as well. I’m at work though, so maybe I didn’t catch it correctly.

"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."

by BMoney79 on Oct 2, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct on Gaetti

This page confirms that he accomplished that feat as well.

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/players/gaettga01.php

by Qixotl on Oct 2, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No you're right

they said he tied Gaetti’s mark on the Score

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, OK.

Either they had it wrong the first time or I misheard them.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or as Roger clemens would

say I Misremembered

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

I feel like it’s a lot easier for a home team to win two in a row when they’re home games, as opposed to a road team winning two in a row. I know that doesn’t make much sense, but it’s just something about homefield advantage magnifying or blunting momentum I guess…

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clayton Richard?!

He’s supposed to stop the bleeding?
with batters hitting .303 off him?

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ask Bob howry

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Oct 2, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

believe so.

He was closing when Percival was hurt.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

Bobby Howry just put on a Clayton Richard mask and suited up for the White Sox…

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If its at all possible

The Sox have even worse middle relief than the Cubs lately. It is the starters and Jenks and that’s about it as far as reliability goes. They actually pitched Jenks 3 freaking innings in that last loss at Minnesota this year.

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's almost

Too shocking to believe…

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TBS

Lots of complaints have been made about the broadcasts but I will say that I’ve really enjoyed the commentary of Harold Reynolds. Not sure what really happened to get him booted from ESPN but I am enjoying listening to him.

by dmlichte on Oct 2, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reynolds is good.

The NESN guy is just blah.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orsillo

Don is outstanding when Jerry Remy is sitting next to him. I agree that he gets a bit flat without someone a bit silly as a foil, but he can be one of the better PBP guys in the country.

I’m glad that Harold is working his way back into the business (MLB.com, then SNY, now TBS). I assume he will find his way to the MLB Network, though he needs to avoid talking to the women who will work in the studios it appears.

by Qixotl on Oct 2, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clayton Richards

He has stroke out all five guys he has faced.

That’s worth something at least

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 2, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No...

5/6.

That first guy was the single that scored a run

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox were overachievers all season long...

The world predicted them to finish 4th or 5th in the supposedly loaded AL Central. I take my hat off to Ozzie Guillen and that ballclub.

Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...

by MDBNIU on Oct 2, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And the Rays weren't?

The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 2, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sacks packed with Sox

Shiels out, Balfour in.
top 7, one out. Uribe up.

by CubFaninNY on Oct 2, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Was Pineilla back with the Rays on this one

Shields should hav been out by now

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by tony412 on Oct 2, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if

Demp had hit Manny instead of walking him there wouldn’t have been the granny

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job by Balfour

Clutch sequence right there

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Richard is pitching surprisingly well

That’s a good sign for the Sox going forward (assuming they are not DOOMED if they lose this game).

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If they somehow string it to 5 games

I’d be he starts over Javy in game 5

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't the game 2 starter be available on regular rest?

Game 5 would be on Wednesday.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh hmm...

Yeah then probably not

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOO! All of you being negative towards the Sox can get out!

go start your own thread! boo! hiss

haha. is this funny yet?

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 2, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

These Sox look surly

I sort of wish the Cubs had displayed some of that Eff You attitude last night….

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I only like

that kind of thing if it wins you games

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did someone say "White Sox"?

Are the White Sox playing a game today?

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And losing...

6-3 going to bottom of the 8th

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless, the White Sox are playing

The White Sox! The White Sox!

(i’m trying to do my best impression of our white sox troll)

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope,

only one color laundry has a team (according to the alphabet network) and they are Red.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think the Sox would be winning

if Richards had started instead of Vazquez?

In light of how stinky Vazquez had been pitching of late?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say

Richards is good, but so is the TB offense…

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi Sue!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just checking to

see how they are doing. Getting ready for tonight…a Cub’s win!!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

About all of Demp’s walks groan

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

I like to think he does well under pressure, kinda like me (although for me it’s academic pressure – I wrote my 67 page thesis in the few weeks before it was due)…. You know he pitched well in the All-Star game, in the Brewers game earlier, and in the last few innings of the no-hitter…

And if I had a choice, I’d rather go to L.A. in a 1-1 tie having won the most recent game rather than lost it, but I have to admit, Manny scares the hell outa me.

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't this day taking FOREVER!

I can’t wait for the game to start!

I think it’s better to keep playing. The Angels lost yesterday and they have to wait until tomorrow to redeem themselves. That’s a lot of time to think which can’t be good.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it has been

a very long day. I’m ready to take a bath get my jammies on, make some popcorn and watch the Cubs win.

by sue369 on Oct 2, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sue!!!!!!!!!

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Help convince me to stay up until 2:30am

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

u should take a nap now!

and wake up in 4 hours!

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 2, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs are

going to win today!! Have to stay up and watch that. :-)

by sue369 on Oct 2, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Konerko homers!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They still have outs,

the problem is they score most of their runs via the home run.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

and they need baserunners to make a come back

by hmlee on Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 down

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rays win!!!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 2, 2008 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best news I've heard all day.

Hoping for a swift sweep.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space. That day appears to be near.

by chilango2 on Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Down goes the 2008 AL Rookie of the Year Runner-Up...

the Cuban Missile, Alexei Ramirez…

I’m gonna call it…Evan Longoria is the starting 3B on the AL All-Star team in 2 years…and he will be the AL MVP award winner that same season.

The guy’s the best pure talent I’ve seen in baseball in a long time…

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Better than Bob Howry?

The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 2, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best I've ever seen

at throwing two-seamers in extremely hittable locations.

by rambler19 on Oct 2, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now...

that’s close PLTW..great question…great question…

maybe I can get the guys from ESPN.com to go at it on That’s Debatable and give us an answer huh?! lol…

Longoria’s batted balls go farrrrr.

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And in line with "the playoff pressure" concerns

our fanbase has been expressing over OUR players…

Longoria’s first playoff game…at home…pressure indeed…

3-3, 2 homers, 3 RBIs, a walk…

the guy is just a cool customer…gotta admire the next superstar of baseball…along with Geo.

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Staying here for the Brewers game?

Or is there a different post for that?

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space. That day appears to be near.

by chilango2 on Oct 2, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

same post i believe...

I am gonna say Brewers win 4-3…

CC stakes them to a 3-1 lead and the bullpen tries to blow it…Corey Hart factors in the win somehow??

Hah..I’m almost certain to be wrong…either way…

GO CUBS!!

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is

the place to be for the Brewers game.

by sue369 on Oct 2, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

Go Brew Crew! (Ick. I can’t believe I just typed that)

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space. That day appears to be near.

by chilango2 on Oct 2, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brew Crew on the offensive early...

bases loaded in the top of the 1st…Hardy up…

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1-0 Brewers on a 4 pitch

walk by the ever-changing Brett Myers…

bases loaded still with 1 out for Corey Hart…

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Corey Hart GIDPs...

1-0 Brewers after the 1st…

"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.

"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.

by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Oct 2, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

GRAND SLAM!!!

Shane Victorino! 5 -1 Phillies

by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love watching Sabathia get shelled...

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Oct 2, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate the Brewers either...

There’s just something about Sabathia. For some reason, I just love watching him give up runs.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Oct 2, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa

Things are not looking up for our neighbors to the north.

by SuperContext on Oct 2, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eerily similar to what happened on the North Side last night.

Walking the pitcher, walking ’em loaded, grand slam, game over.

Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.

by Schwa on Oct 2, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another

example of the damage that can be done when you walk the freaken pitcher

by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

philly announcers pointed out that if a pitcher gets squeezed at the plate --

it can do things to his head, rattle him. They even mentioned that CC was robbed of a few strikes during Moyer’s AB.

That is what happened to CC and Dempster.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this may sound real stupid

but in a perfect world we win in 4 or 5. the phillies sweep that series and cool off a few days cause the way their playing not a team in the majors can beat them. they are flat out making cc look like les walrond.

from the mouth of Uecker:

"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."

by cubsluver22 on Oct 2, 2008 6:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not stupid at all

+1

McCain / Palin: The POW / WOW! Ticket

by Goat Whisperer on Oct 2, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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