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[Should we / how do we] acquire Jake Peavy?

Alright, I know there's been some talk about this already but I've been thinking about this lately everytime I hop over to mlbtraderumors and see articles like this.

 

So the big question is: is it worth it?

Should we invest in a pitcher like this to solidify our pitching staff?

Do we have enough to entice the Padres?

Should we be confident that the back of our rotation will produce like last season?

 

A user on mlbtraderumors suggested that the Cubs trade Mike Fontenot, Jose Ceda, Felix Pie and Donnie Veal.

If the Padres would make this trade I would jump on it in a heartbeat if I were Hendry. Seems like a good deal for us...... which probably means that it isn't going to be enough.

It could take 1 or 2 more players/prospects which means we would possibly throw in Josh Vitters, Sean Marshall, Jeff Samardzija.

 

Would it be worth it to give up, say, 4 or 5 players

 

For a former Cy Young winner a couple years removed, I am leaning toward yes.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Poll
Should the Cubs pursue Jake Peavy?
No, just re-sign Dempster and address other needs (LF Power??).
34 votes
Yes, this would give the Cubs, arguably, one of the best rotations in the Majors.
64 votes
No, we don't have as much to offer compared to others. We'd have to give up too much.
29 votes
Indifferent.
4 votes

131 votes | Poll has closed

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p.s. I realized that there was another post relatively similar to this....

I wanted to expand on it in more of a ‘who do we give up / is it worth it’ direction.

by EJThunder on Oct 20, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i really like peavy... i will leave it at that....

But let me jsut say that if the Braves were to offer Jayson Heyward or the Dodgers said something like Matt Kemp plus some of their other prospects we would not have a shot

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Oct 20, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, there is more news on the Peavy stuff today, so a new post it is.

The “news” is that the Cards are out (whew!) and the Braves have a more detailed trade package in detail: Yunel Escobar, Kelly Johnson, and Tommy Hanson. That’s a king’s bounty there.

Tommy Hanson was recently named the #9 prospect in the Southern League, just ahead of the Rays’ Wade Davis. Jose Ceda and Jeff Samardzija were eligible for this list and did not make it. So, to beat the Braves, we’re going to have to make up somewhere else in the deal.

Yunel Escobar got on base as well as Theriot (while healthy), but also managed to get XBH and play defense, so we’re short at the SS offering, too. Kelly Johnson’s like a LH Escobar with more SLG.

If the Braves are really offering something like this, we’re in trouble.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 20, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No %$%$#@#!!!???

Wow. Do you have a link for that rumor? That’s a major haul, even for Peavy.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 20, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

there isn’t any reference to what package the Braves may have offered.

And not to beat a dead horse, but mlbtraderumors isn’t a source. However, even the Dispatch didn’t mention it.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 20, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

That package, or a reasonable facsimile, has been discussed on espn, so if he does go to the Braves, Im sure it’ll resemble something like that.

while mlbtr isnt a primary source, its the best site of that type by far.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 20, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLBTR isn't a source but they always site theirs

It seems silly not to link to MLBTR when they always, always link to their source, often offering insightful commentary on that source’s credibility.

by Wreckard on Oct 21, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's cite....

and you’ll be hard pressed to find an academic, editor, journalist, researcher, or general parties interested in trademark and copyright issues that would agree. But again, it’s beating a dead horse, so do as you like.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 21, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn homonyms.

Thanks for the only mildly patronizing correction though.

There’s far too much disagreement on this gray area to indicate, as you do, that there’s some kind of consensus between academics, editors, journalists, researchers, general parties, doctors, nurses, astronauts, and goat farmers regarding this complex and still unsorted issue.

Especially given that what MLBTR is doing is something that academics have been doing for years – quoting / summarizing cited sources.

by Wreckard on Oct 21, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Perfect fit.

Seems like Atlanta has exactly what the Padres want. I just wonder whether it’s in their best interest to go get a guy who while very good, had his worst season in a while. See this line: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/on-the-block-one-ace/
Atlanta could keep all three and sign a lesser-but-still-very good pitcher like Derek Lowe, AJ Burnett, Ryan Dempster or Randy Johnson, the latter of which I would love to see the Cubs get.

by dakoose on Oct 20, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find this difficult to believe

Atlanta makes no bones over the fact that they are in extreme rebuilding mode and are sensitive about payroll for the time being. For as great of a pitcher as Jake Peavy is I have hard time understanding the logic of the Braves shipping off core young players in Yunel Escobar and Kelly Johnson (plus other considerations) to go get him.

If Peavy goes anywhere it will probably be to the usual suspects, meaning one of the New York teams or Boston. Either that or a Milwaukee with it’s strong stable of young talent and desperate need for starting pitching makes a serious play for his services.

"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)

by MDBNIU on Oct 20, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well now there is a bastion of great journalistic accuracy...

"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)

by MDBNIU on Oct 21, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id take Peavy for sure....

But that would bankrupt what little we have in terms of tradeable prospects……so if this was to happen, they could use Dempsters money for another hitter I suppose, either that or trade Lee.

I guess if the Pads play hardball with the Braves and they pass and the Dodgers resign all their key FAs, we might get lucky if San Diego is really intent on trading him and Peavy is really particular about where he goes…..so who knows.

I dont know, I suppose I’m excited at the prospect but mostly indifferent b/c its far fetched….Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Marquis/Marshall/Samardzija/Hill would look pretty good too.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 20, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember

The whole purpose of trading Peavy is to cut costs. They aren’t going to give up Peavy and turn around and take on DLee’s contract.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 21, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the shark

is ours I gotta believe. He has a monster contract for what he is thus far.

I BELIEVE!!!! GO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Oct 20, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we need him or another top starter.

i am trying to stay positive and think our pitching is going to hold up next year, but we need peavey or another top starter. we all know z and harden are not going to hold up?

by bassncubs10 on Oct 20, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, Peavy has had some health issues,

so how do we know he will hold up next year?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 21, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenney hinted payroll won't go much!

Crane Kenney hinted a quiet offseason. How great! Hey pal we haven’t won a world Series in 101. The Cubs should spend 200 million why not? I’m sick of this conservative organization approach.

by sanks on Oct 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was fairly clear this year

That payroll doesn’t equate to winning. I’d encourage us to spend as much, or as little, as possible to build a winning club. The Phillies opening day payroll was less than 100 million, and the Rays, well no need to discuss that.

As for Peavy, I doubt we have the chips. They want ready, cheap top talent. We lack the ability to compete with other organizations in that regards unless Peavy forces his way here (and most indications are that he’ll accept a trade, but he won’t necessarily force his way to one specific club).

by toonsterwu on Oct 20, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 21, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And become the Yankees?

Lets’ see, now when do they play again?

by sue369 on Oct 21, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

conservative?

they have hardly been conservative in the past 3-4 years when you factor in both acquisitions and extensions.

by jesus figeroa on Oct 21, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanks,

This organization has been anything but conservative in recent years. . . unless you mean conservative in playoff wins.

by leothelip on Oct 21, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake Peavy is not coming to the Cubs

There are a number of other teams with more pressing starting pitching need AND the ability / willingness to send San Diego a king’s ransom.

"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)

by MDBNIU on Oct 20, 2008 10:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well.

That’s a bold statement. Care to back it up with facts?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 21, 2008 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't you guys

learned to ignore anything sanks says…..he’s looking for the type of reaction you just gave him.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Oct 21, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes! Absolutely!

Unbeknownst to many, Jim Hendry possesses the magical ability to acquire any player he deems worthy to wear the Cubs uniform. (This is why his contract was extended four years, FYI.) The fact that he fails to use this magical power – most likely out of sheer laziness – is a travesty.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 21, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, up in the sky! It's a bird, no, it's a plane! It's super GM!!! He uses his majical powers to serve mankind,

not only the lowly Cubs.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 21, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't have the chips because of Hendry

Our farm system sucks because of Hendry. He has been just awfull. He doesn’t know how to develop talent. The Cubs will rue the day they gave Hendry his deal. He is totally inept. I want Billy Beane.

by sanks on Oct 20, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What has Oakland done lately?

And you’re essentially condemning Hendry for the very thing you want him to do…ship out as much of the farm as possible to land a high-salary player.

I want Peavy, but our farm would be absolutely bankrupt if we somehow pulled this off.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Oct 20, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are super negative.

Maybe you should find a team that suits your wants.

by sue369 on Oct 21, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

hendry is developing pie to become a great #8 hitter that bats .220, 8 hrs, 48 rbi……….

by the time they figure out that pie sucks he will be a 40 yr old prospect still in the minors…….

by bassncubs10 on Oct 21, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't get too excited...

…because they needed to sign Hendry to this deal for a couple of reasons:

-They will need his friendliness with other GM’s to pay off in a key trade or two this year
-His reputation as a player’s GM could help him land a FA or two

One more reason is this, who are they going to get (that is any good) to come in during a sale process? The answer is no one, just like they knew the same thing when they made McDonough president, because the rumors were floating the team was going on the block.

It’s really as simple as this folks, regardless of whether the Cubs win a championship or not (I think the window is 2 years for Hendry) there is a good chance you will have some lean years unless the farm develops something fairly soon. I will predict right now, without at least a pennant by 2010, Hendry will not be the one hiring the Cubs next manager.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 21, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kaplan on Sportscentral said that we're trying to trade Sori.

He said it’s unlikely, but they are trying.

When Kenney said that he doens’t expect much of a rise, adding a guy like Peavy wouldn’t be a huge rise, because we lose about 6-10 mil with our guys we lose to FA.

He also said that he’s going to leave it up to Hendry and Randy Bush.

I also believe that we somehow get Peavy. Somehow.. They’ve coveted Pie for some time now, and Hendry and Towers have hooked up on some deals in the past.

Maybe they want Ceda to come back?

But a Peavy/Zambrano/Harden/Dempster/Lilly rotation would rival any rotation EVER.

BTW, I dont have an inside source, but I know someone close to Dale Sveum and he said C.C. is pissed about Sveum being gone and isn’t coming back.

Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Oct 20, 2008 11:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I might be in a boat all by myself on this one but......

I don’t like the idea of trading soriano right now.

We need to add some power…. Not subtract a power source we have.

No need to trade him, just move him out of the leadoff spot.

by EJThunder on Oct 21, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you trade Soriano and sign Adam Dunn

1) power goes up
2) payroll stays the same, except you’re off the hook for a year or three
3) defense goes down
4) OBP goes up
5) you’ve got your lefty power source
6) plus, you may get something useful for Soriano – remember where we got Mike Fontenot?

I’m not saying it’ll happen; I’m just saying it wouldn’t be a bad thing.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not so sure about trading Soriano either

Unless you can replace his production immediately and not just hope that someone signs with the Cubs to do so.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 21, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah - obviously the Cubs would want to be in touch with their FA target

in the way they were in touch with Burnitz while looking to dump Sammy. Problem is – we’re going to want a better player than Burnitz and that player should be more in demand.

On the other hand, the Cubs seem like they’re planning an OF where Dome wouldn’t be a starter, so worst case scenario will be that Dome replaces Soriano, and there’s a decent chance that with Dome’s defense and OBP, he could be more valuable than Soriano.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just dont know who in their right mind would take that contract

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 21, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The GMs in nearly every California city not connected to Moneyball

have handed out worse OF contracts since Soriano with regularity. That’s why I’d target SF, LAD, LAA for Soriano – if this was serious.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats precisely why they wouldnt...

At least with Angels, theyd have to off load Matthews first…and the Dodgers would have to shed Pierre and Jones

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 21, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you take one year of Andruw Jones if your goal was to get rid of 6 years of Sori?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 21, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

I think Jones is done.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Andruw is "done", but I do think he needs an attitude transplant.

I wonder if he’ll be talking to his off-season workout partner about dedication, doing what the manager wants, staying in condition, keeping weight under control, constantly trying to improve and adjust as you age, etc.

We all know that his workout partner knows quite a lot about dedication, hard work, and doing what the manager wants.

If he can’t do the off-season prep this year before a contract year, then I will concede that he is done.

I think I would still take Andruw for Sori even up (assuming the Dodgers would do it) because, even though Sori will greatly out-produce Andruw in 2009 (in all likelihood), it would get me out from the last 6 expensive years of Sori’s contract. I could platoon Andruw and Dome in CF until one or the other won the job or an injury came along, then let Andruw walk and have some payroll flexibility back.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 21, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's his workout partner?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 22, 2008 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark DeRosa

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

Still, Jones seems in decline and is expensive.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 22, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that he doesn't exactly fit the Cubs' needs.

For one thing, even if the old Andruw were to show up, he would do so batting RH.

The only way I would want him, if I were Jim Hendry, is if the Dodgers were willing to take Sori’s entire contract. That way, I eat $18M and move on without worrying about Sori’s aging curve. Sori has already helped the Cubs out a lot, just by signing here after the 2006 debacle and giving the franchise (and fanbase) hope.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not...

But I think it’s irrelevant. Trading Jones for Soriano doesn’t really make sense for the Dodgers either. They already have too many OF. Trading one expensive OF for another expensive OF who’ll be on the books for longer doesn’t fix the problem.

They may very well want to trade Jones away. But they’d probably rather do it for something else in return.

by SouthernCub on Oct 21, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd be barking up the wrong tree in LA...

As, for the simple fact that both of those teams have ALREADY blown their wad on expensive free agent OF, they won’t be on the market for another one. If anything, both of those teams will be trying to get rid of an OF or two, not looking to add another one.

You MAY be able to get somewhere with San Fran, but I still doubt it.

by SouthernCub on Oct 21, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I somewhat disagree....

I like some of your reasonings but where you say power goes up I say no.

Last year Soriano would have been very near Adam Dunn in HR totals had he not gotten injured.

Like trading Soriano for another Soriano, there’s no point to it or me.

Soriano is faster.
Soriano doesn’t strike out nearly as much as Dunn.
Soriano is better, defensively.

I don’t get the rationale behind trading him besides his large contract….

by EJThunder on Oct 21, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point.

I tend to think Dunn will have more power over the balance of the next 4 years, but he’s not going to have less. Dunn and Soriano each have their drawbacks. I think Dunn fits our roster better, especially if Soriano’s #s will suffer by being dropped in the order.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion,

I wouldn’t like to see Dunn on the team if it cost us Soriano.

Why not just add Dunn to play RF?

Fukudome in CF (btw I still believe you can’t count this guy out…)

Money, money, money…….

by EJThunder on Oct 21, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunns OBP is better, he actually walks and hes LEFT HANDED

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 21, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing is..

you can find someone that will have better d, have a better ba, score the same amount of runs and drive in the same amount of runs for alot cheaper?

by bassncubs10 on Oct 22, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is...

if you have better d….you won’t need to score or drive in as many runs…it’s kind of connected.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 22, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading Soriano would make me delirious

But who in great horny toads is going to be interested in taking him off our hands?!? Seriously, this is a guy who doesn’t hit good pitching, is useless in the playoffs and goes into sub-Artic cold spells for long stretches.

"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)

by MDBNIU on Oct 21, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See that's the problem.

Jim Hendry keeps calling other GMs saying, “I’ve got this guy who doesn’t hit good pitching, is useless in the playoffs and goes into sub-Arctic cold spells for long stretches,” and the other GMs aren’t interested. I can’t figure it out.

Maybe Jim should try calling the Giants who don’t know what to do with all their money and say – “Hey, I’ve got this guy who would instantly become the best hitter on your team. And you know what, I’d be willing to eat the contracts on either Dave Roberts or Randy Winn. You need middle IF? I’ll send you a couple with this Instant Offense Machine, for Matt Cain and the surplus speedy OF of your choice.” Jim will just have to be careful not to let slip that sub-Arctic stuff, but maybe if he’s careful he’ll be able to get somewhere.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm.

You may be on to something here.

Why not see if you can send them BOTH Soriano and D-Lee? I’d take one of those outfield contracts, if they’d put Cain in the deal.

Give ‘em a prospect or two. You suggest a middle IF — they’re going to need a SS, because even the Giants have figured out that Omar Vizquel is done. Ronny Cedeno might work out well for them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 21, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....

Alfonso Soriano, Derrek Lee and Ronny Cedeno and his 3 brain cells for Matt Cain and Aaron Rowand. Then let Ryan Dempster walk via free agency. Haven’t figured out the replacement issue at 1st base yet. But I am still intrigued by Adam Dunn presuming he could play a tolerable 1st base.

"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)

by MDBNIU on Oct 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rowand, unfortunately...

… hits right-handed. We already have a RH-hitting center fielder.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 21, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both Soriano and Lee - wow.

That would change the whole off-season dramatically.

But, you know what, as I’m thinking about this more, the Giants might actually want us to take BOTH Winn and Roberts, especially if we traded them Soriano – then their OF would be Soriano-Rowand-Lewis/Schierholtz. Would we have roles for both? Individually, either Winn or Roberts could have useful roles on the Cubs – they’d be a little overpaid, but Winn could be our lead-off hitter and Roberts could become a pinch-running OF and backup plan to Dome and/or Pie in CF.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Giants take Soriano

I suspect that they would want the Cubs to take Rowand’s deal. Both Winn and Roberts end after this year and Roberts’ deal isn’t that bad. Rowand’s is awful.

by rlpete on Oct 21, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Rowand's deal is awful

I’m not sure the Giants are ready to concede that.

I think I could take Rowand if I’m getting Matt Cain.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Rowand is a good ballplayer

He plays the game the right way too. I’d love to see him playing in Cubbie Blue. Maybe his contract is a tad excessive. So what. If we could lose the Guess Hitting Hack in the process?!?!? I’d throw a parade down Michigan Avenue.

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by MDBNIU on Oct 21, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm obliged to point out...

…what is often said when the idea of acquiring Rowand is brought up. (And, yes, it has been brought up in past seasons.) Aaron may play the game the “right” way if you equate “right” with “reckless.” He’s more than likely to forget about the brick wall behind the ivy, run right into it and put himself on the DL for a month or three. I guess that would, however, open up a golden opportunity for Felix Pie, eh?

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 21, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cain is a hopeless wish

I don’t see what the Cubs have that would get Cain. Lee isn’t going to do it.

I also just realized that Winn hit over .300 last year. To my earlier point, I see no reason that the Giants would want to dump one year of that contract for all the years of Soriano’s.

A deal around Soriano for Rowand seems the most logical if the Giants want the added offensive potential.

by rlpete on Oct 21, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm the Giants

rather than play out the string with Winn’s 8+ M, I’d rather player Schierholtz or Fred Lewis and see if these guys are part of the future. Sabean may not feel that way. I

f the Giants have buyers’ remorse on Rowand, then you’re right – that’s where the deal would be worked out. I’m not convinced they don’t still believe in Rowand. The guy has bad years. Last year could easily have been one of them, rather than a clear sign of a trend.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rowand's numbers remind me of DLee. Maybe they would consider a swap.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 21, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Winn would be available

but highly unlikely that they would take Soriano to unload it. Someone like the Mets might consider Winn and not require the Giants to take a deal like Soriano.

by rlpete on Oct 21, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just heard from a Giants fan that Rowand played last year with a broken rib.

I’m guessing the Giants are sticking with Rowand.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If guts equaled talent, that guy would be the league MVP. I question his brain,

but certainly not his heart.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 21, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think this was all an overreaction to Beltran..

Hendry came close on Beltran the winter prior to Sorianos deal, and he felt he had to get an impact player and he drastically overpaid when his main competitors, as I remember it, Houston and Philly, couldnt pony up nearly as much.

So in that instance, Hendry may have been acting more on emotion and ignoring the cold hard facts regarding Fonzie.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 21, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's go back.

In the right circumstances, the braves are willing to trade Escobar? How could the Cubs pry him away?

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Offer them Jake Peavy?

The Braves have excess middle IF, but I don’t think they’re trading Escobar without getting Greene back. Maybe if Peavy ends up somewhere other than the Braves we could press hard on Escobar, but we’d have to give up good pitching.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Lilly.

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 21, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is trading for Soriano

Can someone tell me this because that’s a bad bad contract

by niuhuskie224 on Oct 21, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See above.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 21, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone who has bad contracts they want to unload

See San Francisco, LAA and the Dodgers.

Want Rowand or Mathews?

by rlpete on Oct 21, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad contracts are the Dodgers

Pierre,Jones , Schmitd and they will be buying out Penny. At least Soriano has some value but is vasty overpaid, that group is close
to worthless.

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by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

That’s a pretty sorry group. The Schmidt contract is of Zito-like proportions.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 21, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I believe the Schmidt deal was considered a "bargain"

I am pretty sure it was 3 years and a little under 50 million. They are getting virtually nothing for it but
the Giants are paying Zito around 125 million to be really bad.

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by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to their ROI. As you said, they got virtually nothing for their investment much they same

way Zito will give no return to the Giants unless he displays a remarkable turnaround.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 21, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True but

would you rather pay Andruw Jones $15 Million for one year and be done with it or Soriano through 2014 at $18 Million? If the Dodgers would swap Jones for Soriano I’d do that.

Even Jason Schmidt’s deal is over after this year. They may be worthless but they won’t be hanging around as long as Soriano’s.

by rlpete on Oct 21, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andruw Jones might actually make sense for the Cubs

Let Pie or Dome and Jones compete for the job and maybe they end up platooning, maybe someone wins it outright. But you’re done after that one year.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's an interesting idea.

Could Jones be the Jim Edmonds of 2009?

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 21, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, Jones was so bad last year, he would be constantly booed if

he posted the type of year he had in ’08. That would be tough to take at his salary number.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 21, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could.

He could also be the Andruw Jones of 2009. But you’d think he’d be playing for a contract. He’ll only be 32. I bet we could get the Dodgers to throw in a prospect in that deal. Not a Clay Kershaw level prospect, but a decent one.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many here...

…thinks Torre could tolerate Soriano for another go around?

If there are any, I ain’t one of them.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 21, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on.

we are extolling the merits of Andruw Jones? …so that we can somehow unload Soriano to a team that has a plethora of young exciting outfielders? Coletti will not sign another journeyman to share space on the pine with Pierre, Jones, Kent, etc., much less at that price. Furthermore, he already has a solid lead off hitter. They have made some bad acquisitions in the past, but they would/will never take on Soriano and his carnival of frustration.

I believe it is Manny or bust for those guys out there. They would be happy to give us Jones, but not for Soriano.

by jesus figeroa on Oct 21, 2008 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Plethora?

If they don’t resign Manny, who is their 3rd outfielder next year? I agree it is highly unlikely but the Dodgers are one of the few teams that there is even a small chance of trading Soriano.

That said, I suspect he’ll be a Cub next spring.

by rlpete on Oct 21, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone here expects Soriano to be a Cub for the forseeable future.

But there’s some fun in speculating about a trade of Soriano.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know who it will be, but...

They do have a lot of young talent to go along with Ethier and Kemp, namely Xavier Paul, Delwyn Young and Jai Miller in no particular order—if they wanted to go that route. You can’t deny that they have been grooming pretty nice outfielders in LA of late.

by jesus figeroa on Oct 21, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You have to at least kick the tires....

Peavy has mentioned the Cubs as one of the teams that he’d be willing to play for, so I’m sure Hendry as at least looking into it.

How about, though, offering Fukudome as part of a package. The Pads were one of the teams interested in signing him last winter, and he would definitely suit a need for them — both on the field and from a marketing standpoint.

I can’t remember off hand if Kosuke has a NT clause in his contract, but even still he might consider the deal. He is obviously in Lou’s doghouse, and might take the chance to play in more of a low-key atmosphere after this past year. Additionally, SD has a (relatively) higher Japanese population than Chicago, and travel arrangements between SD and Japan are marginally easier.

You’d probably have to include cash and prospect in the deal (Marshall, Ceda, ?) but better to “lose” the cash and get Peavy back than to “lose” it in a buyout (like Al suggested yesterday), though I don’t find the buyout to be very likely.

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by bobby h on Oct 21, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's worth thinking about, at least.

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by Al on Oct 21, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to mlbtraderumors,

the Padres are looking for a front line starting pitching prospect to center the package of prospects around. I don’t think the Cubs have a pitcher of this caliber that is far enough along in the farm system to satisfy the Padres demand.

I think the only way the Cubs would have a chance is if the Padres drop the price on Peavy and even so, they would need to trade Marquis (with the other team taking on all of his salary) to free up salary.

As a result, the chances of Peavy becoming a Cub seem rather slim.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 21, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Cubs can only get in

if the Padres think Marmol could start or if they do a three-way trade. Odds of Cubs landing Peavy – below 2%.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds reasonable

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 21, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be one way to go.

At least to get the conversation started between the teams. The issues thus far are:

Kosuke does have a no-trade clause, he also has 3 years/$38M left on his deal. Another wrinkle I wonder about is his perks list 8 first class round trip tickets from Chicago to Japan each year. I wonder if the language specifies Chicago or just the teams base city. I just think it would be funny if he was traded to San Diego and without changing the contract he’d have to fly out of Chicago to go back to Japan.

You’re probably correct in that it would be Kosuke, cash, and prospects. It might even be expanded to include Khalil Green coming back as a bad contract.

by CubFan81 on Oct 21, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome could be a part of the deal, but

we’d still need a lot more AND SD would have to think Dome has value AND we’d have to cover the gap between what we’re willing to pay him and they were.

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by DGU on Oct 21, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thread has really evolved

I just don’t see that we need another pitcher, if we are to concentrate on the rotation lets look at resigning Dempster. Other that that I think we are in good shape. Lilly, Z, Dempster, Harden, and a bunch of others for the 5th spot. Arguably, resigning Dempster isn’t as big of a priority as is fixing the outfield and lead off hitter issues. I am confident Marshall is ready to step up to the next level as a starter. The Shark has starter potential, but will probably be the 7th inning guy next year.

by Nibbles on Oct 21, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are people reacting to mlbtraderumors.com...

Seriously, it’s worse than reading Phil Rogers for trade talk. mlbtraderumors floats up trial balloons and the crap spreads and becomes gospel. Case in point is Jake Peavy to Atlanta. The Braves are finally in extreme rebuilding mode with sensitivity to payroll. Why on earth would they get into the derby for Jake Peavy? And what in heavens would compel them to trade away two cornerstone pieces to their future in budding star Yunel Escobar and Kelly Johnson?

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by MDBNIU on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's funny.

I heard Joe Simpson say on a Braves broadcast in September that the Braves were going to have a lot of money to spend this off-season, and that they would go after at least one (possibly two) front-line SPs and a big bat for LF. (He did not speculate on any names.) Also, they are probably going to hold on to Jeff Francoeur unless someone makes an offer in line with his 2007 value. He wasn’t sure if Mike Hampton would be one of the SPs.

MLB Trade Rumors might not get everything exactly right, but why would a guy who has daily access to Frank Wren state publicly on a broadcast that the Braves were going to try to win in 2009 if it weren’t true?

Why would they trade Escobar? He has had some attitude issues, and they would be getting Greene as a bridge to one of their good young SSs. Why would they trade Johnson? Martín Prado.

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 21, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Northern Star, baby!

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We may not need another pitcher

but whats the harm in getting one? So we give up some prospects, fine, but the Cubs havent developed many of those that were worth anything in years other than Soto. So it seems like a winning proposition to me to get a guy that is better than any of our current starters, and end up with a rotation of :

(1) Peavy
(2) Harden
(3) Dempster
(4) Zambrano
(5) Lilly.

That team would be UNBELIEVABLE.

by Orval Overall on Oct 22, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It would also be...

…the most expensive rotation in the history of baseball (I would think) and probably keep you from filling another hole or two.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

… and exactly why you cannot simply go out there and buy every expensive free agent on the market.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 23, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always think back to...

…the whole “Five Aces” rotation in ‘04. It didn’t do much to stop that late-season swoon. A strong rotation is obviously important, but I’d rather see the organization continue to focus on fielding a team balanced in all aspects of the game – and that likely means taking a pass on Jake Peavy.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to be assuming that we have some prospects of value to give up...

If " the Cubs havent developed many of those that were worth anything in years other than Soto", what other team (i.e., the Padres) is going to want them?

You have to give value to get value, and the Cubs don’t have many prospects of value.

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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