Bruce Miles says on the radio...
Priority # 1 is re-signing Ryan Dempster
Cubs are not willing to give Kerry Wood a three year deal which might spell the end of his career in Chicago (very surprising to me)
Rich Hill is back on the Cubs radar -- organization still has faith in his talent
Organization would like Alfonso Soriano to bat 5th or 6th next year
Kosuke Fukudome stands good chance of being platoon mate with Reed Johnson in CF, dependent of course on his ability to hit
Derrek Lee will likely not be traded on recommendation of Piniella
Jake Peavy is not on the radarscope but the Brewers will be very hot and heavy after him
Raul Ibanez is not really a target because of his inability to play right field
Bob Brenly shapes up to be finalist for the Milwaukee job
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Good news
If Dempster gives us a good deal, I’m not opposed, if not also enthusiastic.
I wonder if this is tough talk on Kerry.
Rich Hill: Comeback Player of the Year 2009?
Soriano batting 5-6 means the lefty bat coming in has to have a name, I’d think, to bat ahead of Soriano. Abreu or Milton B. more than Hermida?
Kosuke ain’t the Cubs RF, that much is sure.
I’m bullish on Lee, but if “likely” is the word that Miles used, this things is still open.
I’m bearish on Ibanez and fearful that he’s Jim’s target, so I’m glad to hear this.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would really really really really be pissed if we don't get Kerry Wood back
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I would really really really really be pissed if BB wound up in the enemy's dugout.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that could hurt
Mostly because then who knows what crap color guy we will be stuck with
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 22, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where have you been lately?
Good to see a pic for a change.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 22, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reloading for next year...but I've been around.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 22, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get a Sync Sports Radio...
they advertised them during the games last year. It allows you to delay your radio and listen to Pat and Ron in tune with the TV.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar-tissue." -George F. Will
by In Piniella We Trustiella on Oct 22, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most painful news of the day
my heart sank when I read that Milwaukee has Bob on their short list. Let’s hope his desire to see his son play wins out…
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Oct 23, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Kerry
…and what does this say, the only hole we plan on filling in the field is RF?…if so, I’m assuming that is a LH power bat…
I’m fine with that, but my only question is, who the hell is going to lead off?…Theriot?
by jbertram on Oct 23, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Surprise?
None of it is except for the Wood issue.
Bring him back. Period.
by TheHawkRules on Oct 22, 2008 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see..
who they target as the potential replacement lead-off man, but it better be a doozy if they’re even considering that move.
Other than that, it sounds like the most sensible package of idea and thoughts that I’ve heard so far this off-season. A good vs. average closer gets you what…perhaps an extra couple of wins? Not worth the money, especially with a potential equally talented replacement in the fold. Spend the money on a big bat.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope another starter is on the radar then if Peavy isn’t. I also hope they try to figure out how to add a player who has a history of PERFORMING in the postseason.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Peavy doesn't fit that description.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually referring to a position player.
Peavy might be a nice addition to the rotation. I personally would rather have CC but hey…
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I see.
BTW, neither CC or Peavy have pitched well in the playoffs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well let's not pretend that CC wasn't stretched
as far as he possibly could be this year by the Brewers. On a regular schedule, the guy is a beast. Peavy, not so sure about.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just shows what an exact science baseball is.
Look how many really good players have bombed in the playoffs (Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Peavy so far, and many others.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
inexact, I mean
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree completely
there qre however those that always perform. your Mannys, your Rollins, and there are others. Heck, the most beautiful thing abou the Rays is that there is so much inexperience and yet they all perform. Craziness I tell you. I am so jealous.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken Rib?
Peavy had a (hidden) broken rib for one of his losses.
by Kornchex on Oct 22, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's time to cut ties with Woody
I love the guy, but you can’t give him a three year deal, especially in an organization stacked with bullpen arms and considering the possible draft picks.
Everything else is good news. I assume signing Demp = dumping Marquis. One of Marshall/Hill/Guzman/ Samardzija can take his spot.
Soriano moving down means Hendry is hopefully going after a legit lead-off hitter. Brian Giles, maybe?
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 22, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
Keep Wood.
If anything, he’s the type of player we needed to see more of in the playoffs.
by TheHawkRules on Oct 22, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I think, the bottom line is he REALLY wants to be a Cub. That three-year deal thing is probably negotiable.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 22, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One would think it could be done.
I would guess Wood doesn’t want to bind the team to a big contract if he is injured.
A three year deal for competitive money with the third year having a $1M buyout option if he can’t make a certain number of appearances over the first two years. Something like 70% of a normal workload would be fair.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 22, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, do you think the Cubs would compromise
by offering a 2 year deal with a vesting options based on appearances and such?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I'd think so.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 22, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do too.
Kerry seems like he’s figured out what my Mom has always told me, Money doesn’t buy happiness. And besides, Woody already has more money than he probably ever thought he’d make in a lifetime and I’ve always thought that gives you the luxury to make decisions that aren’t based on money as much.
While another team may offer him more money/years, Kerry and his family are happy in Chicago. I wish players would put more weight on this consideration and stop listening to the players association. I’ve seen so many players sign contracts and end up unhappy.
I just hope Woody follows his heart and stays in Chicago. He’ll be a happier person if he does.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All said, I did just have a negative thought.
I’m curious if the current economy and stock market plunge will impact free agent decisions like Wood is facing. Yes, he has made good money, but if his savings have shrunk 30%, he may not be as charitible at the bargaining table.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 22, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should.
But, I’m sure it won’t
by TheHawkRules on Oct 22, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard on the Radio this morning
that some experts don’t think that that economy issues will trickle into baseball until the 2010 season. That is when they think that attendence might start to sag. Not sure why 2010 is the magic number…
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 22, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers Need Closer
I’m sure Kerry would much rather stay in Chicago than go to Texas. The Cubs have (m)ucked up potential re-signings before. If the Cubs rub him the wrong way, he could go to Texas to be closer to where he grew up. I don’t see that happening, but I would not dismiss the possibility.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Oct 22, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?
That’s right – re-sign Kerry Wood and then flip him to the Rangers for Josh Hamilton! Right fielder: BOOM. Left-handed bat: BOOM. Big-time power guy: BOOM.
GIT ’ER DONE, JIMBO!!!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vehemently disagree with everything you've written here.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
magic moment?
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Oct 23, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
green and pleasant land?
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Oct 23, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
land is your land?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is one small step for man...one giant step for mankind?
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LEAP! LEAP! LEAP!
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
diamond ring doesn't mean what it used to mean
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old heart of mine
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
might be the last time?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is a time to remember
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 24, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
little piggy
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 24, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is the End?
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Oct 25, 2008 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice thought. Serious violation of the CBA.
Won’t happen.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBA Schmee-BA.
I’m lookin’ for power, baby, power!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazier thought
Sign Wood, flip Marmol to Texas for Hamilton. Use Guzman, Samardzija as setup men.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 22, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Jon Daniels is smart emough to know that RPs have very short shelf lives...
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Marmol is young enough to be enticing
and he’d be under Texas’ control for a while.
It’s just a thought out of left field, so to speak.
And there’s no guarantee on Hamilton either – he’s been nicked up the last few years.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 22, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be amazing..
ly stupid on the Rangers part, but if we got them to bite, I’m all for it.
by jbertram on Oct 23, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need pitching help
So perhaps a platter of Marmol (to close for Texas), along with some other arms would be intriguing to them.
I doubt it would happen – I could see the Cubs signing Bradley instead – but might worth a phone call.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could totally live with that.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I could, too, oddly enough.
Marmol could bring back decent value, now that I think about trading him.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 22, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good news is Jim Hendry
has done a very good job of resigning players that want to resign with the Cubs. I can’t think of a player Hendry lost that they wanted to resign when there was mutual interest.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry's No Larry Himes
That’s a really good thing. Keep Kerry, please!
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Oct 22, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be extremely
disapointed if they let Kerry walk. They opened the checkbook for Ramy, “Z”, Lilly, Soriano, Marquis, and Dome, so to not deal with him in good faith would be slap in his face and the rest of the players.
Sign him.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Oct 22, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think some people here are just
to have to agree to disagree with you on this, myself included. All of those contracts were to players who were either younger than Kerry, or presented little health risk. That said, it’s difficult to imagine for most giving any closer, especially one entering their 30’s — and with significant medical history — a long-term deal.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is fine
my take is sign Wood to a 2 year deal with the 3rd year a mutual option. Have incentives in the deal. But to throw him a bone on a another one year deal, that would be wrong. Wood needs to get a fair deal.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Oct 22, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my take on it too...
but pass 3/27, I’d let him walk.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What health risk?
Wood’s elbow and shoulder were 100% fine in 2008. He missed time with a blister — can happen to any pitcher and should not recur.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 23, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair or not, he's always going to have that stigma
Because of his history, Wood will always be considered a health risk – like Ben Sheets.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 23, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't
ignore the cumulative effect of such a long medical history on any man — especially a pro athlete — entering his 30’s. General mobility, years of chronic inflammation, less elastic tendons and connective tissue. Even last year, he admits that he was weeks away from retiring during his rehab, and still doesn’t know how it got turned around.
Healthy last year, sure. But a long-term deal on a reliever in his 30s, with a bad back to boot is just dumb.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 23, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just one more thought...
his elbow and shoulder were fine enough to throw last year, not 100% fine; there’s a significant difference. I would hazard a guess that his shoulder looks like a bomb went off in it, compared to a healthy one.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 23, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"In his 30's"?
As if he’s ancient. Sheesh. Wood is 31. Your guess about Wood’s shoulder and elbow are pure speculation. I didn’t see any indication that those things weren’t 100% fine in 2008.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 23, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true...
…but don’t forget, although some of these guys have taken a bit of a home town discount to stay, they have also received no-trade clauses in return for that. The no-trade has value to a player because they can control their desitinations, but it call also hamper the club when they are looking to make moves.
If I am Kenney, I would tell Hendry to chill on the no-trade stuff.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind,
players recieve no-trade protection when they have 10 & 5 rights (10 years of MLB service time, 5 years with the same team).
Aramis and D-Lee now have 10 & 5 rights which made offering a no trade clause more attractive for the team. Z will have 10 & 5 rights in a couple of years. Woody also has 10 & 5 rights and will continue to have protection if he stays with the Cubs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying...
…but even if the no-trade you dish out only applies for a couple of years, it can significantly impact how you can change your club. The Soriano one is going to be the real killer.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Marshall can definitely take his spot...
…but I don’t know about the other two. Guzman’s lengthy injury history probably means he’ll be a bullpen guy indefinitely. And I think the Shark needs to be in the pen for at least another year. I’m not convinced his pitch selection is quite there yet and, more important, the Cubs need him there. I’d say it’s safe to assume he’s replacing Howry, no?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 of the 4
I mean, any one of those players can pitch like a high end 5th starter for $9.5 million less than Marquis
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 23, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've no problem with him under the right circumstances...
The contract situation is tricky though. He seems to like San Diego enough that I could see him redoing his contract, and staying there a season or two longer.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HIGHLY doubt...
we will see Kerry in a different uniform next year.
He stays in Chicago.
Kerry is loyal to the Cubs (last off-season) and the Cubs are loyal to Kerry Wood (this off-season).
by EJThunder on Oct 22, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Giles is worthless...
if the Cubs want to improve, they need a legitimate hitter and one who has a track record. Giles is aging and not worth the time IMO.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he's an every day player any longer
but I don’t think he’s worthless.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose not
but I just get tired of players that really don’t add much to a team that needs something added to it. That’s all.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I would call Giles worthless
he had some pretty good offensive numbers last season and could probably be a 20-25 home run guy playing at wrigley instead of petco. He’s not a very powerful left handed bat, but he can still hit and get on base at a very high rate (.398 OBP last year w/ an OPS+ of 133).
There may be better options, but I don’t think Giles would be that bad an option
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Oct 22, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would also only be a 1 year committment
and that flexibility has a lot of value.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
it provides a very productive short term option. And allows the Cubs to try and get someone at the trade deadline if necessary knowing that Giles won’t be back the next year
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Oct 22, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you are saying
I’m just getting tired of the aging signings that do not completely fill a need of the team. I think Soriano was one of the biggest mistakes that has been made here in a while. Yes, he has some serious hot streaks but let’s face it, going 0-fer in the playoffs totally negates whatever he does in the reg season. I want a guy who will perform the whole way. I maintain, and I know it does no good really, that Carlos Lee was the signing that should have been made.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee wanted to play in Texas.
He’s got a ranch there.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know he liked Texas
but there was a lot of talk about how much he likes playing at Wrigley. He would have mashed here in Chicago too. And he is consistent.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 22, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm surprised
on Dempster
Can you explain the rationale for being excited about Dempster being our #1 priority?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 22, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather have Demp than Wood...
…and for a while I thought it might go the other way. Ted Lilly is the comparison I keep coming back to, although I think Demp will make a bit more money.
by cwyers on Oct 22, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but why Demp
why not another SP with more certainty on the FA market, where you nab an extra pick in the exchange when someone else signs Demp
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 22, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Plays CF and RF?
If Dome and Johnson platoon in CF, does that mean DeRosa plays RF full-time and Fontenot becomes the full-time second baseman? I sure wish Pie could prove he could hit major league pitching. That would solve the CF issue. If Hoffpauir could become even a decent defensive right fielder being a true first baseman, the Cubs could have him in right field. Pie hasn’t hit well, and Hoffpauir hasn’t fielded well in the outfield. What do the Cubs do? Can Reed Johnson prove he can hit right-handed pitching and become a full-time outfield starter for the Cubs?
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Oct 22, 2008 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ideally...
You’d find a superior 2nd basemen, and move DeRosa to right. That person would then probably hit at the top of the lineup. More likely though, I suspect you platoon Johnson/Fukudome, trade Pie, and find a new RF; a productive LH bat, with a modest contract. Think Nick Swisher.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Swisher, ugh.
He hit .219/.332/.410 with an OPS+ of 93 last year. No thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 22, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the idea Billy Beane saw that coming.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the two years prior he had an OPS+ of 125 and 127.
You think he forgot how to hit at age 27? I think he’s just coming off a down year. I don’t think he’s available, but if he was I’d be interested.
by cwyers on Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's good to know...
that we can agree on some things.
And honestly, I could see doing Felix Pie for Swisher, and both sides being ecstatic.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats an interesting idea
but I wonder about how the money would match up as Swisher makes a good chunk of change and Felix makes the minimum.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's very affordable for the next two seasons...
which is probably the size of the window that the Cubs have anyway. I know there have been some references to not having a massive increase in budget for 2009, but 3 million or so isn’t too bad.
But again, I’m speaking more about the type of situation that I expect Hendry to be on the lookup for, rather than Nick specifically.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can just swap Blanco with Koyie Hill and get the budget flexibility.
by cwyers on Oct 22, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher also
would seem to somewhat fit the bill of the kind of guy Al is looking for personality-wise. Swisher strikes me as the go for broke at all costs kind of guy that could provide a spark come playoff time
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Oct 22, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
he definitely seems to keep it loose.
Honestly, I’ve been tearing throughscenarios for an upcoming blog piece, and this is on the list of “moves that the Cubs probably should make, but likely won’t”.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox would be trading Swisher low
and that doesn’t seem likely. Kenny tends to go after players that other teams are selling low on, not getting rid of his own guys. (Crede is an example Kenny not willing to sell low.)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
we’d be selling Pie low, too. Kenny could make a deal like that.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could trade Pie for Swisher or
Pie for Hermida, which would you take?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Swisher. I like Jeremy, I think Nick’s personality is a better fit for a Chicago club.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Hermeida due to the greater upside (and flexible contract status).
I believe Hermeida is just now eligible for arbitration which makes him cheaper.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
the more I think about it, the more he could be that “idiot” that could help change the tightness of the club in the playoffs
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Oct 22, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's furry like J. Damon, so he's got that going for him.
Got the man pelt, the sweater by Darwin, his shirts never touch the skin, etc.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 22, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just hates playing for Ozzie.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balderdash!
How can you dislike playing for Ozzie?
by EJThunder on Oct 22, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't help but think he was unlucky in '08
JC Bradbury hasn’t released the end-of-the-year PrOPS rankings yet, but at the half Swisher was one of the leading underperformers.
You can see here that his BABIP was way out of line with the MLB average this year.
He’s the perfect “buy low” candidate.
by Wreckard on Oct 22, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Especially with technically no home for him on that Sox roster.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't he prefer playing 1B?
Would he be willing to play RF — especially in front of a brick wall?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer 1st base side
tickets to 3rd, but I still take the 3rd base ones when I have to.
Seriously though, if he was wiling to play center, I don’t think it’s that much a stretch.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy like Swisher
could probably get away playing CF in Wrigley, especially if it’s Dome on his left (in RF). Then you could switch Swisher to RF with the platoon when Reed plays CF and Dome sits.
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by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher is not a CF...
Swisher is fine for a game or two but as a regular starting CD he was not good. But that’s exactly where the Sox sent him day after day (70 games).
by DrCrawdad on Oct 23, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really my point...
Firstly, he’s certainly a strong bounce-back candidate. But it’s that type of situation that I’m speaking of; under 30, modest contract for the next few seasons, can play him at all the outfield spots — with varying degrees of success — and will generally give you nice pop. Defensively, you can still spell him with Fukudome, and not loss much defensively.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you give for him, though?
The Sox gave up three players (one of whom was Gio Gonzalez, a fairly regarded lefty) for Swisher. What would the Cubs have to give up?
While there’s no ironclad spot on the Sox for him at the moment, he can cover five different spots on their lineup card competently and I’ve heard no indication that Kenny Williams is looking to dump him. Factor in his relatively low cost and high probability to rebound in ‘09 and we’re looking at giving up something very tangible for him, unless Kenny’s an idiot. Unless I’m wrong and the Sox are in full-sell mode on him, I can’t imagine we would want to give up what it would take to get Swisher.
by MarchHare on Oct 22, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard some rumblings...
Nothing that I want to get into right now. However, as stated in a post above, I’d think Pie for Swisher straight up would be a good place to start, and good for both teams. But given the Sox bullpen troubles late last season, I’d add a reliever if it helped.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 22, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably have better sources than the zero that I have...
…but as a fan, I’d be amazed if the Sox would take Swisher for Pie straight up. Both Dewayne Wise & Jerry Owens have nearly identical skill sets & track records to Pie, while Brian Anderson is a right-handed version of the same mold. Pie gives the Sox nothing, in my mind.
I would have thought a straight-up trade for Swisher would be for Marshall (the Sox seem to like dealing for young arms that are either blocked or underachieving), but I really hope the Cubs wouldn’t pull the trigger on that one. I tend to always want my teams to start the season with at least six credible starters, though, so I probably overvalue pitching to some degree.
We shall see…
by MarchHare on Oct 22, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs are moving Soriano to 5/6
then they are getting a lefty 3/4/5 bat and probably a lead-off hitter, although Theriot could fill that role.
I’m thinking (in general rather than specific with these names):
Theriot
Lee
Abreu
Ramirez
Soriano
Soto
DeRosa
Dome
or replace DeRosa with Hudson and move him to the top and everyone else down one.
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by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about superior...
but there is a 2B name Roberts who could lead off for us!
by jbertram on Oct 23, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard of him.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood's not going anywhere.
He’s been a Cub since he was a teenager, he and his wife do a lot in Chicago, and Hendry loves him. I’d be utterly shocked if Kerry isn’t resigned.
by kanderber on Oct 22, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rich Hill comment
I think that this is just a smokescreen to start trying to coax some trade value out of him.
As far as I can tell, there has not been any sign of progress in his rehabilitation this year.
Just a gut feeling based on little input.
by vonde6 on Oct 22, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, well he did pitch a pretty good game down in Venezuela the other day.
I’d call that progress.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby will make an impact in the ML before Rich does....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 22, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Brady?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Hill is still around?
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on Oct 22, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep

I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Oct 23, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not a smokescreen...
…but you certainly don’t make any negative public statements about a player with minimal trade value and a damaged ego if you are a smart organization. You keep patting him on the back until he turns it around or someone is silly enough to give you a player of value for him in a trade. Hendry has done a poor job of selling up his shaky players in recent years, so this handling of Hill is reassuring that he is learning.
by Qixotl on Oct 22, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a great comeback story if Hill could rebound.
I really hope he is able to pitch well in the major leages again. It would be a shame to waste his talent. I do wonder if he needs a “change of scener” to do so.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill has no trade value until he comes back
None whatsoever. That message was probably meant more for Rich than it was for the other MLB teams.
by Wreckard on Oct 22, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps it simply is true.
Occam’s razor and all that.
by cwyers on Oct 22, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note...
… the Mariners have named Jack Zduriencik their new GM. Why is this relevant? Zduriencik comes from the Brewers and is widely credited with replenishing the Brewers farm system. Since joining the Brewers in 1999 Zduriencik was responsible for the team drafting the likes of Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Yovanni Gaillardo and so on…
by dmlichte on Oct 22, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for him!
He did a great job with the Brewers and deserves a chance to be a GM.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good...now let's get him to trade Ichiro to us for Marmol and Pie.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 22, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Ichiro for Soriano straight up
I mean the salary is the same
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt any Cub fan would hesitate.
Can’t see why Seattle would make the move.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 22, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you think of an organization that's paid so much money for nothing?
The Mariners have spent so much money over the last few years (Silva, Sexson, Bedard) and are still one of the worst teams in baseball. Carlos Silva has to be one of the worst free agent signings last year (Andrew Jones was the absolute worst). They unloaded a boatload of prospects for Erik Bedard who turned out to be a bust and not just because he was injured.
It will take several years for the new GM to clean up the mess of the last regime. To start, they need to trade off the movable parts. The problem is, the ownership has shown to be unwilling to move their most coveted player, Ichiro.
It will be interesting if the Mariners will have a change of philosophy.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping they'd give the job to Kim Ng.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news
Good news for the Cubs. One less team we could lose Bush or Wilken to.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 22, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true
Then any hope I have for next year or this off-season is gone.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Oct 22, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a little dramatic, don't you think?
A year ago, if someone told you the Rays would not only be playing in the World Series, but FAVORED TO WIN, you would have thought they were crazy.
You simply never know what is going to happen in baseball and that is why I love baseball.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he had much hope to begin with.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Final words of the water pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 22, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty sad.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's correct.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Oct 22, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My $0.03...
First, thanks for the recap, Blue Mike.
Priority # 1 is re-signing Ryan Dempster
I agree. I think he will stay relatively healthy (TJ survivors have a good track record), he will stay in condition (something he neglected early in his career), and give the Cubs 200 quality innings for the next 4 years. However, I don’t think he is a “true ace”, so I wouldn’t want to see him making more than Z.
Cubs are not willing to give Kerry Wood a three year deal which might spell the end of his career in Chicago (very surprising to me)
I think that is posturing by the organization. They will probably do two years with a vesting option. That protects the Cubs from injury while giving Woody the assurance that he will be paid if he stays healthy.
Rich Hill is back on the Cubs radar — organization still has faith in his talent
I wasn’t a big fan of Rich Hill (the pitcher, not the town in Missouri) in 2007, and I have no confidence that he will do anything in 2009. The tricky part is that he is out of options, you have another starter (Harden) that needs a bullpen buddy (Gaudin or Marshall), and that you have to make a decision on trading Marquis before you know that he is back. I’m not sure that they can write him in for anything. Also, even if he has a good winter ball season… if he pitches the entire two months, that will affect his ability to stay strong in August and September.
Organization would like Alfonso Soriano to bat 5th or 6th next year
That might not be a bad move (though I’m in the minority that likes Sori in the leadoff spot), but Lou seems to have given up on using Riot there. (Think of how creative he was with EPatt, Dome, etc. when Sori was on the DL.) I don’t think that they could count on the leadoff man coming out of the Dome/RJ platoon since they aren’t sure what they will get out of Dome. That means, in all likelihood, that they will trade DeRo directly or indirectly for Roberts, or trade DeRo and (shuddering) pull someone like Lugo or Castillo off the scrap heap. The leadoff hitter won’t come from RF (i.e., Brian Giles), because they want a middle of the order LHB there. That also gives Teflon Lou a chance to make DeRo the scapegoat for the playoff failure.
Kosuke Fukudome stands good chance of being platoon mate with Reed Johnson in CF, dependent of course on his ability to hit
I like that. I think that Dome will have a much better year in 2009, though I don’t think he will ever have middle-of-the-order power. I also think that he might not have the stamina for a ML schedule, and it’s tough to develop it on the wrong side of 30. RJ has the same problem, so they can keep each other fresh.
Derrek Lee will likely not be traded on recommendation of Piniella
I’m OK with that. The only real reason to trade him would be to use a 1B with equal or better production who bats LH. Other than Tex, who is out of our price range, I can’t think of anyone. Our farm isn’t big enough to get Adrian Gonzalez.
Jake Peavy is not on the radarscope but the Brewers will be very hot and heavy after him
OK. SP (assuming Demp re-signs) is this team’s strength. There is no need to gut the farm system for him. I doubt if he will go to the Brewers; I think he ends up in Atlanta, with SD and Houston as dark horses.
Raul Ibanez is not really a target because of his inability to play right field
Good, although the real reason is probably that he blossomed after Lou traded him and Lou is still pissed about it.
Bob Brenly shapes up to be finalist for the Milwaukee job
I hope he gets it. As much as I love listening to him and Len, he deserves another shot. I thought the Snakes shafted him.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That will be $0.06, please!
Inflation, you know!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that I work cheap! :-)
Of course, maybe that’s all my iedas are worth…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take on this stuff
Priority on Dempster is no surprise and something I tend to agree with.
I tend to think they will work out something with Wood and he is back.
Why not see what Hill can do? He showed at one time, that he was very productive and having him on the radar dosesn’t mean he has a spot in the rotation
No brainer on moving Soriano. They will go after a leadoff guy and if they can’t get one, Theriot will be it.
Makes sense with Fukudome as well. He will need to prove he can adjust.
I have said before, I’m not sure how much you will get in return for Lee. His numbers have not been overly impressive (for a 1st baseman) and I am sure most scouts think he is on the downside of his career. One thing I do think, is one of either Soriano, Ramirez, DeRosa or Lee will get dealt this offseason. If you want the most in return, you have to look at trading either DeRosa or Ramirez.
No surprise on Peavy for two reasons; signing Dempster will not allow another 10 million on the pitching staff, and I believe Hendry knows he does not have the ammo to give the Padres what they would seek.
Glad to see they are cognizant of defense with Ibanez. With Soriano in LF, it would not be pretty to have another poor OF in RF.
I predicted the Brenly thing as soon as they announced they were seeking an outside candidate. Just goes to show, I am right at least once a year about something.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear that, MPH...
If you were correct about Brenly, does that mean would won’t be correct again for another 12 months?
Could you please predict that the Cubs won’t make the playoffs? :-)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will make an 09...
…World Series prediction, but I have to wait until this one is over, to assure it is within the 12 month time period.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill
I hope you’re right, but I think he’s finished. His psyche seemed fragile before his 2008 meltdown . . . unless they foud him a sports psychologist, I don’t see that changing.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 22, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to pick...
…I would think Hill is done too. I was just saying he will be on the radar to take a look at in ST.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right -- that is what you said; I goofed.
I hope the team is right, then, if they think he’s got something left.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 22, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to read your thoughts on Brenley
Re: how he would put his deep knowledge of the Cubs’ organization to use managing Milwaukee.
I say there should be some kind of unwritten pact against this sort of issue. But “all is fair in love and war,” i guess.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Oct 22, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't un-know something
and Brenly isn’t going to stop thinking throwing a single fastball to Soriano is “stupid”.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Oct 23, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they don't sign Wood
They are putting a lot of faith in Shark/Guzman/Gaudin/Cotts/Ceda/Ascanio to get the Job done in the 7th and 8th inning. That is scary…or even more scary…they bring back Howry on the cheap. If they don’t resign Woody because of injury concerns and a three year contract demand, I can probably agree with that. However, if they don’t resign Woody because of money concerns, then I would rather have him over Dempster. A solid bullpen in my mind is more valuable than a starter if you have a capable replacement in house. If you can’t get to the 9th consistently with the lead, I don’t care how good Marmol is.
We just need to look at this year’s cardinals and the Cubs Hawkin’s years to see what a bad bullpen/lack of closer can do to a season. I heard a stat the other day that the Cardinals led the league in games leading after the 7th inning….what does that spell…BAD bullpen.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 22, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Assuming the “inside information” tone of this is the inside scoop, then it sounds like the Cubs will be making some of the changes that we’ve been blogging about since the play-offs put us in “wait till next year” mode.
I really like that Soriano idea; question remains who will bat lead-off.
There going to try to sign Dempster before FA. I would be interested in Peavy if the Brewers are interested. For budget purposes I see it as Peavy or Dempster, not both. The issue being which pitcher can perform better for the term of whatever contract they have.
Surprised that Brenly is pursuing the Brewers job and surprised that he’s the front-runner. I’m not worried about his knowledge of the Cubs. I don’t think it would be useful enough to impact anything next season.
by AboutTheCubs on Oct 22, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading for Peavy would cost both money AND prospects.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all things equal and no home town discount in the equation
I am curious how the Peavy Situation could affect Dempster. On one hand, I can see it hurting him…one less suitor available to drive up his price but on the other hand I can see it helping him… less supply and/or if Peavy goes to a competitor of one of his suitors it could drive his price up.
I guess if Dempster gets signed before FA begins and/or Peavy does not get traded before Demp signs…we will never know
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 22, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see what kind of market there is for Demp and Peavy.
Trading for Peavy will require teams to pay his salary and trade top prospects, specifically a high end pitching prospect. The key is Peavy also has to give his approval to be traded to the team that wants him. All of this will narrow down the bidding teams to just a couple which tends to give the Padres less leverage.
I think more teams will be interested in Dempster because he only costs money and this will give him more leverage. Of course, this type of situation can always backfire on a player who holds out for an even bigger offer (which happened to Kyle Lohse last year.)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 22, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Brenly...
…it is just not his knowledge of the Cubs, but the knowledge he has of the other teams in the division he sees 18 times a year.
I don’t know why you are surprised he is a top candidate – the guy has won a world series, is obviously a pretty sharp guy and he has stayed close to the game.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV Committment
Sure people have dumped recently renewed committments to take other jobs, but I still don’t expect that to happen. That’s the same reason why I’m surprised Brenly is the frontrunner for the job. This isn’t to dirge Brenly. Really, I think there is a shortage of viable candidates and the Brewers seem to want somebody with experience.
by AboutTheCubs on Oct 23, 2008 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by my prediction.
They may talk to a lot of people, but I still think they’ll hire Robin Yount.
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Yount wants the job
He left the coaching staff a couple of years ago to spend more time with his family.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 23, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why...
…I think Brenly is a top candidate. From what I understand, Yount is not crazy about putting in the commitment necessary to do that job. Maybe he has changed his mind on that, and I guess we will see.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three interviews
According to this article Doug Melvin has three main candidates, Bob Brenly, Ken Macha and Willie Randloph. He has interviewed Macha and Randolph already and will interview Brenly today. While there was talk that Melvin would interview five guys (possibly Buck Showalter) it is very possible that Melvin will just interview these three and announce a decision some time next week.
Its not going to be Yount. Melvin has said all along he will hire someone w/ managerial experience. Further Yount came to coach for the remainder of the season, but thats it. I think it would be one thing if the opportunity arose in Phoenix, where his family lives, but it really sounded like Yount did a favor for a friend and was planning on only coaching for this past season.
by dmlichte on Oct 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Melvin is really moving along on this.
Maybe Len Kasper will need a new partner after all.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Showalter's strength is in teaching young players how to compete at the ML level.
His reputation is far less sterling when it comes to dealing with veterans.
Milwaukee has a young nucleus…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Showalter
I just don’t see him as a good fit. While there are a few “youngish” players on that team, Fielder and Braun have been around for a few years now. The core of last year’s staff (which may not be around) is not at all young (Sheets, Sabathia, Bush, Suppan …). I think that the biggest obstacle would be Fielder. He seems to really be a headcase and Showalter is very much in contrast to the Brewers “un-tuck your shirt” mentality.
by dmlichte on Oct 23, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I See It
1. Dempster Resign, just don’t over pay. With his control issues, I see him as middle of rotation.
2. Wood Resign short term, Limit two years. Can’t ignore the injury history and I think Wood knows that.
3. Hill History doesn’t bode well for pitchers with a sudden and complete loss of control. (See Blass and Ankiel). It probably has a psychological connection which makes it very hard to correct. But if Hill starts throwing strikes we need to trade him asap.
4. Soriano There’s just no way Soriano can bat lead off in post season . The chances of him being “on and dangerous” during those short series is practically nil. He doesn’t even give himself a chance against elite pitching. Just can’t have that at the top of the order. And as Lou said in today’s article ,you can’t recreate lineups for the playoffs.
5. Fukudome This is a “wait and see”. We saw him perform well….and then we didn’t. So which is real. Was the 2nd half due only to pitchers having his number and Dome not adjusting or were other factors involved like physical and mental fatigue and cultural shock. Guess we’ll find out.
6. Derek Lee Lee’s bat has declined but we need a scoop master at first for Theriot’s throws. But I think he needs to be moved out of #3
7. Peavy I don’t think we have the trade chips to seriously compete for Peavy.
8 Ibanez Lou did say he wanted to get more athletic. This isn’t the way.
9. Brenley Not worried about Brenley being the Brewer’s manager. From everything I have seen and read he is a nice guy for sure and certainly knowledgeble BUT a very poor in-game manager. Of course he could have learned more by watching the past several. years.
by alexinSac on Oct 22, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I can name at least one manager whose "in-game" skills are considered to be worse than Brenly's...
Charlie Manuel.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re Soriano
but which would you rather have… an “off” Soriano in the lead-off spot in the post season or an “off” Soriano batting 4th-6th with runners on during the post season.???
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by digitalbenjamin on Oct 23, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, runners would be on during the postseason?
Let’s get there first.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just another 11.25 months and 97 wins to go
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Oct 23, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take 97 wins again.
And then putting some runners on base would be nice.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 24, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should add this...
Bruce Miles was on MIke Murphy radio show and this is where the info is derived. Also, for as much as I like Bruce Miles I’m not so sure I would take all these points as gospel.
For example, when he says the organization would like to move Soriano to the #5 or #6 hole that doesn’t mean it will actually happen in my estimation. A lot depends on offseason manueverings and obviously to Piniella getting Soriano comfortable with the idea. Soriano hasn’t exactly been one to embrace change so this could be an explosive issue???
Rich Hill??? I’ll wait to see what he shows in spring training. Seems to me the organization has vested interested in doing the best possible spin job it can on Hill. Seems also that his ability to make the Cubs in 2009 hinges on making the conversion to bullpen duty.
Kosuke is going to have to demonstrate the ability to hit to be in consideration for a role on the 25 man roster. If he can hit then he proved he can be one of the best defensive right fielders in the game. Why then would you move him out of right field unless you acquired a left-handed hitting run producer to play right field??
Dempster? I’m on record as saying I think the Cubs should take a pass.
Wood? I think this is more blustering than anything. Hendry surely knows Wood wants to stay a Cub. Guessing a two year deal with a vesting option happens???
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 22, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke in CF
I think the Cubs are dead-set on replacing Edmonds bat with a lefty slugger who can bat 3/4/5. You can’t get one of those for CF easily. I think Swisher is the only name I’ve heard and he’s a bit of a risk and not much of a CF. I think, from what we’re hearing, a guy like Abreu or Bradley looks to be high on the Cubs’ wish list.
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by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to Milton Bradley
My goodness, this guy is a criminal. Look at the very ugly incidents that led to his hasty departure from Montreal, Cleveland and the LA Dodgers. Violent confrontations with Felipe Alou in Montreal, Charlie Manuel in Cleveland. Scary fan incidents in Montreal, Cleveland and LA. The clash with the first base umpire during his time in San Diego. And this year the violent threat made to a Kansas City broadcast team I think it was while member of Texas.
Bobby Abreu is about to turn 36. Plus I have hard time believing the Yankees won’t just throw another $30 million or so his way to keep him for a few more years. Abreu made $16 million in 2008 and doubtful will take a paycut.
Nick Swisher? Good God no. Very overrated and a bafoon on the field and in the dugout. Acts like a toothless cracker from the hill country who is drunk on moonshine.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 22, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Hermida it is, then.
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by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Hermida available??
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 22, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida was rumored to be part of the 3-team Manny trade when the Pirates and Marlins were in it.
And then there’s rumors.
Rosenthal says,
Closer Kevin Gregg remains the Marlin most likely to be traded, and four teams already have inquired about right fielder Jeremy Hermida. The Marlins could open next season with Cameron Maybin in center and Cody Ross in right. They also could trade for a short-term right fielder as they await the arrivals of John Raynor and Scott Cousins, both of whom finished last season at Class AA and currently are playing in the Arizona Fall League.
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by DGU on Oct 22, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida is an enticing target.
Felix Pie would almost certainly have to be included in such a deal.
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
He’s donezo as far as the Cubs are concerned. Lot of hype, lot of fail
by lamentir on Oct 23, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Fish trade Uggla and open up 2B
what would you say to a Hermida for Theriot swap?
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
But why would the Marlins do that?
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they like us?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Probably not.
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more thinking cause they feel sorry
for fleecing Hendry with the JP Trade. We can return the favor by giving them back a singles hitters with a terrible arm.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 23, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys - Theriot was an All-Star SS
according to one of the best talent evaluators to ever live. They’d be getting a steal from us – and we could throw in a dozen caught steals as well.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nono no no nonono nono nono
To Hermida…and especially Swisher.
by jbertram on Oct 23, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DGU,
You seem like an intelligent baseball person. Do you really think that anyone in baseball other than Teflon Lou thinks that the Riot is an every day player?
He isn’t a GG fielder, even at 2B, he isn’t a great base stealer (or even a good one), he isn’t a good baserunner, and he has zero power. For that, the Marlins could sign Tony Graffanino.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have hopes
that someone somewhere will value Theriot as the next Eckstein in the same way that Kenny Williams thought Scott Podsednik was worth Carlos Lee.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire your optimism, DGU.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Podsednik was kind of worth it...almost...
Considering the ChiSox would have lost Carlos Lee after the season anyway to free agency, I’m pretty sure they would gladly take a couple years of Scott Podsednik & Luis Vizciano, a World Series, and cash over a year of Carlos Lee and some extra draft picks the following year. Plus, as brutally overrated as Podsednik was for the regular season, he was good in the post season that year. …and the World Series ring forgives many sins.
Hell, if we traded Soto for Podsednik straight-up (I think that’s the single stupidest 1-for-1 trade I could come up with, but insert your worst as you see fit), but won the World Series the next season, it really wouldn’t tear you up that much, would it? It wouldn’t be a “good” trade, but we’d at least have something to show the following year, regardless of how much the trade impacted anything.
On a final note, I think you could be right on someone wanting Theriot that much. All it takes is one GM to think this season was his breakout one…
by MarchHare on Oct 23, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think Carlos Lee is the overrated player.
Notice how the White Sox were much improved the year after they traded him?
Also, the Astros played much better this year when he was hurt.
Coincidence?
What do both examples have in common? The pitching was better. Could the fact that Lee was not playing left field have been a factor in the improvement of their pitching?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 24, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, that is an interesting point.
The ’Stros did take off rather unexpectedly this year after El Caballo went down.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The man must be cursed.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he belongs here right?
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think...
…Piniella would turn down an opportunity to upgrade the SS position if it helped the club? I am sure Piniella is more than aware of Theriot’s short comings, but has he been presented with a better option?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Furcal or A-Rod, yes.
For a genuine, incremental step up who isn’t a “big name” (i.e., Cristián Guzmán, Edgar Renteria), no way.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria
The irony is that I think Lou might go for Renteria – but Renteria’s defense isn’t much better than Theriot’s at this stage in his career. Maybe I’m wrong.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria's defense will be better than Riot's
if you sign him after exhuming him from his grave.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you field an inanimate object
does it take a spot on the 25-man roster?
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Scott Eyre count on the Cubs' 25 man roster?
He very seldom moved off the bullpen bench.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe by putting Big Z and Bradley on the same team
They will actually both stop being so mad. Seriously, most of those incidents he was provoked by other idiots. Bradley is a victim of poor media portrayal and every move he makes being blown out of control.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please stop
ur making me throw up in my mouth with your comment. bradley a victim??? please please stop.
I BELIEVE!!!! GO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The incident in KC this year was bad
Him and Jeff Kent had issues, and lets face it Bradley IS the lesser of two evils there.
The torn ACL incident of 2007 ended with the umpire being suspended and Bradley not receiving any punishment because the umpire yelled profanities at Bradley.
A while ago fans threw something at him while he was playing in the field, what is he supposed to do not defend himself?
He has a temper, but it is a temper that seems to be set off for some good reasons.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again please stop
he’s not a victim. he needs anger management and to grow up. part of being a responsible and successful adult is knowing how to control your emotions.
I BELIEVE!!!! GO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Oct 22, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if you were on the field and the umpire was swearing at you
Or a fan threw a bottle at you, could you control your emotions? I doubt it
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by nji232 on Oct 22, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes I could
I work for the dept of justice and there are many times where u have to have really really thick skin or I wouldnt have a job. so please quit telling me this idiotic thug of a ballplayer is some sorta victim. he’s a grown man.
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by cubsluver22 on Oct 23, 2008 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The announcer actually attacked
that “idiotic thug.” I think that there are examples of all athletes acting like this…I don’t recall many Bulls fans having a problem with Rodman, even though he was one of the worst guys in the NBA at the time…The Bulls were winning, so he wasn’t a thug, he was a misunderstood player.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 23, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodman was always a thug,
but he was our thug though and we put up with him because he helped the Bulls win championships.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
…So if someone like Bradley came here, and the Cubs (or Sox) succeeded with him, don’t you think the sentiments would change and would resemble the way people felt about Rodman?
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they would
Look across town at AJ. Sox fans hated him when he was on the Twins because he was a trouble maker, now they love him because he is their trouble maker, and he can play.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #15 5-2 (1-2). Next up CU. Jeremy Maclin can still win the Heisman.
by nji232 on Oct 23, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, brother.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 23, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest concern with Bradley
would be how he handled the fans and media in Chicago. I’m not going to act like I know what sets him off, but I would be concerned to how he would react if he was consistently being booed, as had happened to RFers of the past (I’m thinking of Jacque Jones).
While I don’t think he’d charge the stands at a booing fan, I think it could have the potential to be a powder keg if he reacted to it through the media and spouted off about the fans.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Bradley would play well enough to not be booed
The guy hit .321/.436/.563 last year. Granted it was in Texas, but still the guy can hit, if he is able to play RF why the heck not sign him? No way in hell he is more of a potential clubhouse issue than Big Z who has pissed off teammates and fans many times.
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by nji232 on Oct 23, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From everything I've read
his teammates (aside from Jeff Kent) have usually been on his side, and attest that he’s a great teammate.
I think it would be a Rodman-like situation, where if he’s playing well, the fans would embrace him.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that is always the case with the former bad guy or team killer.
Jim Edmonds, Bob Probert, Dennis Rodman, Erik Kramer, Moises Alou. Derrick Lee even qualifies. The qualification is playing well.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 23, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Milton is healthy
I think he’d play well. He’d be a year removed from ACL surgery.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can consider me as being on the "sign Bradley" camp
hits lefty, can rake, and can be signed to a 2 yr deal at reasonable rate
by philadelphiacub on Oct 23, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he has had some professional help lately
to control his emotions.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 23, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
milton bradley
just missed winning a batting title this year, um i think i could handle that, and he will not be expensive.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on Oct 27, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry
I predict Cubs and Wood compromise on 2 years with an option that automatically kicks in upon reaching certain incentives.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 22, 2008 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that too
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 22, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all too easy
First of all you all know my feelings on BB. The day he is out of the Cubs booth is the day I pop the bubbly on the finest bottle of champagne I can find at my local gas station.
Okay here we go. Get the Brian Roberts trade done already. I’m not exactly sure what we trade, but not Marshall. Roberts only has one year left on his contract, so Marshall would be too much to give up. Pie and some prospects? Anyway, this does so many things for us.
Gives us another left handed bat. Gives us a true leadoff man and another threat on the base pads (40 steals last year). This allows us to move Sori down to the 5 hole. Gives us a true 2nd baseman. Free’s up DeRosa to move to right. Which free’s up Dome to platoon with Reed in Center.
Your 2009 Cubs look like this
1. Roberts 2nd
2. Theriot SS
3. Lee 1st
4. Ramirez 3rd
5. Soriano LF
6. Soto C
7. DeRosa RF
8. Dome CF
9. Z/Harden/Lilly/Dempster/Marquis
Man that was easy. Anyone have Spendry’s email address?
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by cubswynn on Oct 22, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your 2009 Cubs look like this
1. Roberts 2nd
2. Theriot SS
3. Lee 1st
4. Ramirez 3rd
5. Soriano LF
6. Soto C
7. DeRosa RF
8. Dome CF
9. Z/Harden/Lilly/Dempster/Hill
by xene on Oct 22, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One problem with your plan...
The Cubs need a LHB in the middle of the order. Roberts doesn’t fit the bill. Dome doesn’t fit the bill. You can’t put DeRo in RF as that is the only place to put your LHB power hitter.
If the Cubs get Roberts — and I think they will try, though I doubt they will succeed — DeRo is gone.
No way Marshall is “too much”, at least not in the eyes of McPhail (the only one who counts). It would probably take at least Marshall and Hart, maybe Veal as a throw-in.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 22, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other problem........
is Lee in the 3 hole. You are right…………a LH hitter in the middle is a MUST………Roberts is a nice leadoff guy but he’s a 2B which we have a surplus of. We need a SS!
by plenz on Oct 23, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But let’s face it, Lee is going to be a Cub in 2009 and if that’s the case, I can’t see him batting anywhere but 3rd.
Yes a LH bat in the middle of the order would be nice, but it’s easier said than done. Who would you suggest that we have a legitimate shot at?
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by cubswynn on Oct 23, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have a legit shot
art Bradley or Abreu…………….all it takes is $$$$$. If we are soooooo RH again in 09 and Soriano leads off,etc.,etc……….we are resigned to another postseason flop
by plenz on Oct 23, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Orioles already have their CF of the future...
Adams Jones from the Bedard deal
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 22, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another winter of Roberts talk?
James Loney, seriously?
by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whynot
Of all the potential deals out there, this one makes the most sense. It does so many things for us, filling a bunch of holes.
Replacing Edmonds.
Getting another lefty bat.
Getting a true leadoff man.
Moving Sori down the lineup.
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by cubswynn on Oct 23, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would help,
I just don’t think it would be my number 1 move to make. Plus it was more of a joke, that was talked about so much last winter.
Derosa can play RF full time, I just don’t think that moving Fuku to CF is a solution. The one thing he was good at was defense in right. I would stay with Reed and Edmonds platoon if Pie isn’t ready (will he ever be ready?).
It would be a better move in Fuku wasn’t in the picture because Reed could be your 4th outfielder with Sori, Dero and Edmonds.
In regards to leadoff, you can move Theriot to leadoff and push Sori down.
I'm finally moving on...
by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
So do you think Derosa should play right or not?
It sounds to me, you don’t think the Cubs need shake anything up. Everyone you suggested is already a Cub or would be returning as a Cub. Clearly this team couldn’t get the job done, so it’s my opinion Roberts would be a good start.
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by cubswynn on Oct 23, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derosa can play right, he is capable,
I don’t think that will happen with Fukudome in the picture.
I'm finally moving on...
by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
a few things need to be done, until they decide what is going to happen with Fukudome I don’t think much can happen. They need a lefty power bat #1, that role is going to be filled at first, or in right field dependent on….Fukudome.
They need some pen help. If they decide to go after a Jake Peavy type, great, but I don’t think they will. Finally, if they can find a leadoff man I think the only place he could play is CF because of Lou’s love fest with Theriot, and because you can’t move Derosa to RF bc of Fukudome and the need for a lefty power bat.
I'm finally moving on...
by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone needs a lefty power bat
So I ask you, who specifically do you think we have a legitimate should at signing?
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by cubswynn on Oct 23, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I respond to you,
specifically Shawn Green and Luis Gonzalez fit that bill. A total of 18 hr’s between the 2 of them in 2008 and 75 years on earth=not good. Brad Wilkerson is also a free agent but only hit 4 hr’s last year, he’s had a lot of years with double digit homers, probably due to steroids.
Therefore, we are going to have to make a trade, Milton Bradley is a possibility. Brad Hawpe has been mentioned on this site. He would be ideal, but would be difficult to get because he just signed a contract with the Rockies. I think he would be much more worthy of large offer that you have proposed for Brian Roberts.
mmmmmmmmmmk?
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by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you aware
that you are advocating trading a chunk of our farm system for a 2B who has had a lower OPS than our current 2B for two of the past three seasons and will be paid $3.1M more than our current 2B in 2009 and will then be a FA?
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What chunk of our farm system did I trade?
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by cubswynn on Oct 23, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be advocating a trade for Brian Roberts.
Other than Soto, they won’t have any interest in our ML position players, and they have a stud young catcher of their own. That means we would probably have to give up a young pitcher like Hart, a blue-chip prospect (Vitters), and a B-level prospect (possibly Veal, Ceda, Ascanio, or Castillo). Knowing McPhail, that package might not be enough to bring Roberts to Chicago.
I don’t think that one year of Roberts is worth that, especially when it represents a downgrade in production to the incumbent.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope never said that.
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by cubswynn on Oct 23, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood not coming back?
I have a hard time believing that one. Hendry will give in.
I have an even harder time believing that this organization has any faith in Hill. Maybe everyone but Pinella but since his decision seems to matter the most then I don’t see Hill doing anything for the Cubs in 2009. Maybe they have faith in him as trade material? That I can believe.
Organization would “like” Soriano to bat 5th or 6th? Is this the same ‘organization" that has faith in Hill? I agree with this preference but I haven’t seen any Management with balls in this organization to take on a superstar. The Management here is great at pounding guys with potential in to dust if they don’t like them, but I seriously doubt that Lou will stick with it, as soon as Soriano protests he’ll be back at leadoff.
Kosuke playing again? Unlikely given lou’s prejudice.
Derek lee here because of Lou—I finally agree 100%, of course this is the wrong move.
I’d agree with the rest.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 22, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hendry/Dempster/Wood
Hendry and Wood arethisclose as friends as well as their professional relationship. He was his first #1 draft choice.
Kerry and his wife just bought a huge house on big time property in the suburbs. They live here now most of the year. They still have their home in Arizona but will live here most of the year now except for the worst part of winter and spring training.
Hendry thinks of Dempster as his big find big taken a chance on guy from the start now pun intended.
And Ryan loves Chicago and is grateful for the Cubs taking a flyer on him back when nobody else would.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 22, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, Nomar and his wife were building a house here, too.
Look where he is now.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a rumored "Nomar house"
Wasn’t actually being built by him….Just sayin’…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 23, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he was building the house himself.
That’s how he got injured. Didn’t you hear about that? Nail gun to the groin. Terrible, just terrible.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
I used to drive by that house everyday…I remember there were so many rumors about it, it was hilarious. The even funnier thing is that it was right next to where Bill Wirtz used to live…
That would have made a hilarious sitcom…Bill Wirtz and Nomar.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Oct 23, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LH Bat
The only answer here is: Adam Dunn.
Yes he might be a butcher in RF and looks at his line from this year: .236/.386/.513
Now compare Dunn to another LH middle of the order player’s line from this year: .251/.339/.543
Pretty similar, huh? Any idea who the second line belongs to? (Hint: he is still playing baseball in October)
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Oct 23, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Of course I really would prefer...
Signing Teixeira even though it means dealing away Lee. This is the bold move that should be made.
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Oct 23, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this case,
I would say bye to Lee.
James Loney, seriously?
by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised to see
the numbers comparison, Teix appears to have better numbers defensively. Even after I saw that, I thought, well Lee gets to a lot more balls, or makes more things happen. But still, Teix numbers look better. In DP, PO, TC, E, A and F% Teix seems to have the edge. So why would they want to swap 1B’s with us again?
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by tony412 on Oct 23, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teix is a free agent.
The idea being that if the Cubs sign Teix (which seems impossible due to payroll issues), the Angels would be added to the list of teams searching for a 1B, and may be interested in Lee.
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by D98 on Oct 23, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard?
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 23, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct.
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Oct 23, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is...
Ryan Howard.
Poor defense, poor average, but not a far cry from Adam Dunn statistically.
I’m just saying this for comparison.
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Oct 23, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a very interesting comparrison at that
you put dunn’s on base percentage in front of soto in the lineup and good things could happen.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on Oct 27, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mozob on Oct 23, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give Wood 3 years,
he is one of my favorites but this is a guy who almost retired a year and a half ago. He still has great stuff but his 85% save percentage compared to Dempster’s 90% (less opportunities), isn’t spectacular. Great club house guy, good experience for the playoffs, but that is too big of a gamble for me.
With regards to the Lee trade talks, I agree he will be tough to trade after next year but he saves a whole lot of throws, especially when Ramirez drops down and whips it across the diamond side arm. I can deal with his power decreasing, Rami in the 3 hole, Sori in 4, and Lee or Soto in 5 and 6. Plus he is one of the few who hit in the playoffs this year.
In RF I still don’t know why Reed didn’t play at all in the playoffs, wasn’t he our best average hitter all year with guys on base? Unless Fuku stops the spinnerama into the ground, he can’t be our full time RFer.
I would have preferred they didn’t resign Harden and made a run at Peavy. I realize it’s a lot more money and years, oh well. Harden was nice to add this year, but a whole year of 5 or 6 or 7 days between starts, and rarely going over 100 pitches. That is the type of thing that will ware down a bullpen, especially if Marquis is traded like some have suggested on this site.
James Loney, seriously?
by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs' farm system isn't nearly deep enough to get Peavy.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard anyone mention
Coco Crisp. He could play a fine center field, switch hit and lead off.
I’m not sure what it would take to pry him from Boston (I might toss Massachusetts native Rich Hill into the deal, if necessary), but he has one year left on his contract and will be available.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chis DeLuca of the Sun Times has mentioned that Coco Crisp is of interest to the Cubs
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there's a start
I’d check into him and Garrett Atkins of Colorado, if Lee is moved. The Rockies were looking into moving Atkins to first, so he could make the switch, possibly.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins
played 61 games @ 1B last year (7 errors), I like the move to assuming he can improve his defense a bit.
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by tony412 on Oct 23, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's young enough to improve it
He basically got moved there last year once Helton (another trade candidate) went on the DL and Ian Stewart came up.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins is a natural 1B.
He had to learn 3B quickly in the minors because of Helton. That’s why he is such a poor 3B, but not bad at 1B.
The caveat is that Atkins is a RHB, so replacing DLee with Atkins does nothing for the LH/RH balance.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer Coco over Roberts,
simply because there isn’t room for Dero in the outfield with Fuku on the team.
This is probably a dumb question, but if Fuku was in the minors the entire year, he would still get his big money? What is it $10 this year?
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by slocs55 on Oct 23, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe so.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. He signed a guaranteed ML contract.
He does have four options, but, because MLB recognizes JBL service time, he can’t be optioned to the minors without his consent.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens if the won't go to the minors?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs would either have to keep him on the 25 man roster,
trade him (if possible), or release him and pay off his contract.
In all likelihood, Lou/Hendry would sit down and talk with him about it and get him to agree before officially making the move. IMO, he would do it because the Japanese consider it to be very bad form to show a boss disrespect, and it would be more embarrassing to return to Japan early than to go to the minors.
For comparison, So Taguchi (who wasn’t as good as Dome in Japan), signed with the Cards and failed to make the team in ST. He agreed to go to the minors (and he was there most of his first season) because it would have been a greater embarrassment to be released, take money he hadn’t “earned”, and go back to Japan, than to play in the minors.
Kaz Matsui also agreed to go to the minors with the Mets (and accept a trade to the Rockies) because he did not want to disrespect the wishes of his manager.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting.
Thanks for the info!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation should center on WHO the left-handed bat added is going to be...
I think we can rule out Adam Dunn because I see no chance of him playing right field in Wrigley. We can also rule out Raul Ibanez because he is a barely tolerable left fielder and can’t be expected to play right field at this stage of career.
Bobby Abreu? I see the Yankees keeping him. He was paid $16 million in 2008 and I’m sure the Steinbrenners won’t blink an eye in giving him a 3 year contract at similar rate. After all this is the Yankees we are talking about.
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brad Hawpe would be great fit
I wonder what it would take to pry Brad Hawpe away from Colorado. They are in perpetual need of pitching in that ballpark and could use a rangy center fielder…
Sean Marshall, Jose Ceda, Felix Pie ???
Or would it have to me more like….
Jeff Spellcheck, Jose Ceda, Felix Pie ???
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Hawpe
but the rumor is their trying to deal Garret Atkins (with the “emergence” of Ian Stewart )and Matt Holiday. Atkins would be nice as the replacement for Lee should he be dealt. Definitely cheaper than Teixera and is 4 years younger than Lee.
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by tony412 on Oct 23, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how they value Pie
They have the speedy Wily Tavares to roam CF as is.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard they may non-tender him.
Not sure why but he has been hurt a good chunk of time over the 2 years they’ve had him.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting.
well that would present a need if they did that. However, Boston is also said to be interested in Atkins (and maybe Holliday), so if the Sox wanted to trade Crisp, they could probably be in a better position to get either one of those guys.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taveras hasn't learned to steal 1B.
The Rockies are looking to dump him.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That surprises me
because I remember how good he was at bunting his way on base.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a great bunter,
but he hasn’t learned to slap the ball passed a drawn-in 3B like Pierre does. He either bunts his way on or grounds out.
He was .251/.308/.296 in 2008./.604. For comparison purposes, Jason Marquis had a .598 OPS.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, all I knew about Taveras was his prowess at stealing bases.
I had no idea his OBP was so low. Maybe the Rockies would take Pie, after all.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff S. has a no trade clause
and no pitcher in their right mind would waive a no trade to pitch in Colorado.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn, Ibanez and Abreu may indeed be unlikely candidates...
…based on the fact that Lou keeps saying he wants to get “more athletic.” Then again, I believe he said that a lot last season and the Cubs still picked up Edmonds. Hawpe is an intriguing possibility – he seems like a solid player and that would complete the LSU trifecta, would it not?
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know enough about Colorado...
Would they even entertain offer for Brad Hawpe? If so what are they really in the market for? Presuming as stated above that Jeff Spellcheck can’t be traded (which is ridiculous if Hendry handed him a no-trade clause too)? What’s that leave of serious value for the Cubs to deal? I’m guessing the first thing Colorado would ask for is Carlos Marmol.
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan O'Dowd has a problem of SERIOUSLY overvaluing his own prospects.
The organization is notoriously slow at making decisions on whom to trade and whom to keep, so they have a bunch of out-of-options players filling up their 40 man roster (Spillborghs, Barmes, Quintanilla, Baker, etc.)
They also have a much higher opinion of Hawpe than I do. He does have OPSs of .898, .926, and .879 the last three years, but that is only because he rarely plays against LHP, and plays half his games at Coors Field. Also, he is a terrible RF — he gets a very poor jump on the ball and takes horrible angles trying to cut balls off in the gap — though it wouldn’t show up quite so much at Wrigley as it does at Coors. He does have a great (and accurate) arm. If he is available at all (which I doubt), they would want a #1 or #2 starter for him, at least. Personally, I don’t think that he is worth Ted Lilly.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lou wants to get "more athletic"...
… then why not Felix Pie?
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may get a shot...
…this ST to show he has made improvements. Pie is one guy I don’t think is one that Pineilla has completely written off. I just think Lou didn’t like his physical limitations in the batters box.
In regards to Lou’s dog house, I get the impression the guys who get stuck there, are the ones that Lou has a problem with their mental approach and not their physical limitations. If Pie has gotten better, I am sure Lou would love to have his speed in the lineup.
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by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm all for that.
From your keyboad to Sweet Lou’s patio in Tampa Bay.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be nice
Plus, Lou has shown a willingness to work with Pie, IIRC. Wasn’t he worked on his swing with him during the year?
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu steals bases
and that may be “athletic” enough for Lou.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALEX RIOS
Is the guy I’d like to see in Cubbie Blue. Unfortunately I doubt the Jays will part with him. He can play RF, has some good speed (32 SB), will have just turned 27 going into next year, is currently making under 5 mil.
His line this year was .291 /15 /79 .337 /.461 …. his splits: VS. LEFT: .289 / .735 VS. RIGHT: .292 / .818 HOME: .294 / .830 AWAY: .289 / .766.
Seems like the consistency we need to add. Heck, even a slightly older Vernon Wells would not be a bad fit in CF, going with a platoon in RF. Unfortunately, neither bats lefty.
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by tony412 on Oct 23, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They just inked him to a long term deal didn't they?
I doubt they want to move him for anything the Cubs have to offer.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 23, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back up the truck
OK we won 97 games, but most of those wins were not against the elite teams. Like in the 60’s, time to back up the truck. Trade Lee, Soriano, Hill and get SOMETHING for them. Start with a left handed hitter! Shore up the middle on the diamond, except behind the plate. I’m waiting for the following year when Girardi will be available. Lou had trouble the last teo years in the playoffs, as well as in Seattle.
by Mozob on Oct 23, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on, you can't just blow off winning 97 games. You can't pick apart
the schedule and say that wins agaist one team mean more than another team. When the Cubs were playing good baseball, it didn’t matter who you threw out there, they had a good chance of beating them. 97 wins don’t come by accident or luck. That’s the value of playing so many games. Statistical anomolies are eliminated, more often than not, the better team will prevail.
You don’t need to back up the truck. You have some good suggestions, a solid LH bat is a must and a middle of the field lead-off hitter would change the look of the line up. We’re talking about adding a couple of pieces, not a major overhaul. Good play is contagious and a couple of good performances in the post-season would help the other players perform better in the playoffs. It’s up to Hendry now to add a couple of good pieces to close this deal.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 23, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we need to look at this another way.
We’ve really only been talking about filling the need of a left handed bat and/or a leadoff hitter by signing an MLB free agent player or a trade of an MLB player.
Maybe the best way is to look for that diamond in the rough in 6 year minor league free agent, non tendered player, or rule 5 drafted player. An example of this type of player that can have a big impact on a team is Ryan Ludwik with the Cardinals and David Eckstein, formerly of the Cardinals, Shane Victorino and Jayson Werth of the Phillies.
Does anyone have any suggestions that would fit these criteria?
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by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree completely.
Victorino is an excellent example — he was taken in the Rule 5 draft TWICE, once by SD (returned to LA) and then again two years later by the Phillies.
I don’t know who’s out there, but I’ll bet there’s someone.
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Reed Johnson comes to mind.
If he could prove his back problems are behind him, RJ would seem comparable to Victorino – at least in terms of hustle and style of play.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 23, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree on Johnson...
…and would add this; there were two clear moments during the season, when the topic we are discussing here had an impact (IMO) on the club.
The first one was when Reed Johnson went into 2nd base hard to break up that sure double play in Milwaukee. If I recall, it was game one of that series and the Cubs would have been behind going into the 8th, if that double play gets turned. As it turns out, Johnson made one of those “intangable plays” and the Cubs got hot right after that.
The second one was when Lilly knocked down the Cards catcher. The Cubs had been playing poorly for a week or two before that game, and that play seemed to wake their asses up.
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by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are both perfect examples of what we're talking about in the "intangible" thread.
Especially the Ted Lilly thing. That was one of the most significant plays I have ever seen. He created a persona for the team and the fans in that 3 seconds that will always define him now. That was what I will now call a “Pete Rose” play. Remember the All-Star game?
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 23, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
But those were only a couple of moments. The Cubs needed that bulldog attitude in the division series and it wasn’t there.
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by Al on Oct 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if Ted had pitched...
it would have been.
I would say Dempster has that mentality, too, and once he lost, the team was sunk.
In fact, I think a case could be made that if the Cubs had won Game 1, perhaps the ‘tight as a drum’ scenario doesn’t play out.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just amazing he couldnt get one freaking AB in the NLDS.....
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by JB 23 on Oct 23, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which was absolutely ridiculous
given that before game one the trib showed edmonds career vs. lowe was hitting below .250 and johnson carreer vs. lowe was over .375, yet lou starts edmonds. when the numbers smack you in the face i think you need to go against the traditional lefty righty bullshit.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on Oct 27, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left handed Rule 5 power hitting OF?
Grrrrr.
The time between “we picked him!” and “as a favor to Cincy!” was the happiest 5 minutes of my recent Cubs-fan offseason life.
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by D98 on Oct 23, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
I see no reasons to think that he would have been able to keep clean and produce anywhere but Cincy that season. The Reds could give Hamilton a support system we couldn’t have, and with a lot less presure.
by cwyers on Oct 23, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does that mean?
Less pressure I understand but the support system statement seems to have very little base.
Please clarify.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 23, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had a relationship with
Johnny Narron who was on the Red’s Coach Staff…
See Linky for more detail
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by TheRiot Police on Oct 23, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Linky...
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Oct 23, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key quote from that second link:
Whether I hit two bombs or strike out three times, like I did in a game against the Pirates, I never forget that I’m living with addiction. It’s just part of my life. Johnny Narron, my former manager’s brother, is a big part of my recovery. He’s the Reds’ video coordinator, and he once coached me in fall baseball when I was 15. He looks after me on the road. When they pass out meal money before a trip — always in cash — they give mine to Johnny, and he parcels it out to me when I need it.
I see no shame in that; it’s just one of the realities of my situation. I don’t need to be walking around with $400 in my pocket.
Without Johnny Narron, I don’t know that Hamilton makes it through that whole season without using drugs.
by cwyers on Oct 23, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Johnny Narron
now on the Rangers’ payroll, too?
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, as a "special assignment coach."
After their eighth win in 10 games, on May 16 — the one in which Hamilton had five hits — a group of teammates, as they often do, went to a steak house to celebrate. But the hero of the game didn’t join them. Since Oct. 6, 2005, the day his grandmother sat him down in her living room and confronted him about his addiction, Hamilton has been sober and drug-free, he says, and the 27-year-old follows strict self-imposed guidelines to stay that way. He rarely carries more than $10 in his wallet, and never more than $20. His friend Johnny Narron, hired by the Rangers, must always know his whereabouts. He never goes out alone at night, and never goes out with teammates after games. “In San Francisco, I went to Morton’s steak house two nights in a row,” he says, bringing this up as if it were a major step for him. Some teammates were there, too, but at a table on the other side of the room. Hamilton, who was dining with Narron, says, “I walked over to the guys and said hello.”
I think a lot of Cubs fans are unrealistic about the sort of problems Hamilton had, and the steps the Reds had to take to get him through those problems. The guy needed a very specific sort of environment, and I don’t see it as one the Cubs could have provided him.
by cwyers on Oct 23, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time, they probably couldn't have
I think it was Jerry Narron who recommended the Reds take a flier on him.
Now, however, if there was a way for the Cubs to trade for him (say, starting with Marmol and going from there), it could solve some problems. And, I’m sure they could hire Johnny Narron, too.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 23, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction...
Should be sort of problem he “has”. He will always be an addict, the question is whether he will continue to be a recoveryng addict or fall off the wagon. I hope for his sake and for his family’s sake, that he forever remains a recovering addict and that he continues to lean on his support system for as long as possible.
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by TheRiot Police on Oct 23, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that.
That is very cool that there was someone who was dedicated enough to help with his problem while still coaching the team.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Narron was hired by the Reds (and later, the Rangers)
specifically to watch over Josh Hamilton.
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by cowsarecool220 on Oct 24, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Narron was a video room operator...
…probably because his brother was the manager (he stayed on after his brother got canned mid-season). He left the Reds, then they traded Hamilton, and then he got hired by them.
by cwyers on Oct 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
that Hamilton has someone so helpful AND dedicated to his success is pretty cool. Even if he is reimbursed heartily for it.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, he didn't help the Phillies immediately.
We need a LHB power-hitting OF for the middle of our lineup in 2009.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first question is -
would Lou give this guy a chance? Lou wants someone to bat 3/4/5 – which means this bat will go before Soto or Soriano or both. That’s why I tend to think Lou needs a name.
But if we were looking at LH bats who spent a lot of time in the minors last year who could bust out, two names spring to mind -
Nelson Cruz
and
Felix Pie.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson Cruz is a RHB.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Had Nelson mixed up with Jose Jr.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason why a lot of these guys are elgible for the Rule 5 draft
Mainly because they, generally, are not very good. Rule 5 draftees and Hoffpauir-like minor league free agents are lottery tickets, pure and simple – not something you want to base a strategy around.
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by berselius on Oct 23, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the reason players are eligible for the rule 5 draft
is because their organizations don’t VALUE them enough to put them on their 40 man roster.
Every organization grades and makes determinations on players differently. Generally, players left unprotected, have flaws that teams have big concerns that will impede their ability to be major league players. Teams determine the value each player has to THEIR organization and make decision accordingly. These can be very difficult decisions, particularly on teams with deep farm systems.
Dan Uggla is a good example of how a player was left unprotected and then taken by the Marlins and in his short 3 year career, he has already been an All-Star twice. One of the reason the D-Backs did not protect him is they had major concerns that he would be able to play adequate defense in order to be an every day MLB player.
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by cowsarecool220 on Oct 23, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but...
As you said, there’s a reason why the organizations do not value them. We all remember the Santana/Uggla/Hamilton types, but by and large none of these guys stick.
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by berselius on Oct 23, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seth Smith.
He is on the Rockies 40 man roster, but they have a very crowded OF. They tend to overvalue their prospects, so you might have to overpay for him, but he might be available and he bats LH. He might be to young for the #5 spot, though. I think he can handle RF.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of guys would be a great fit in a trade...
..but guys, what do we have to trade? Felix Pie and spare parts? Other than Vitters, I just don’t see much that teams would want out of our farm system. It seems to me that what little chips we had we used up with the Harden trade. I like the ideas of Peavy, Roberts, Atkins, and all these others, but I just don’t see us having the chips to get them. Other than FAs, what else can Hendry do?
Building on this, if it’s up to me, I let Wood and Dempster walk and take the draft picks. I would imagine both are type As, and I’d take 2 picks for Dempster instead of a $12 mil per salary for a pitcher who’s likely to fall back to earth. More than anything else, we have to rebuild the farm, and here’s our chance.
One more thing: if I have to hear one more person talk about Lee’s defense being missed in a trade and his supposed “production” in the playoffs, I think I will vomit. He’s a first baseman, for God’s sake. Lots of guys can pick bad throws- first base has to be the most overrated defensive position on the field. There’s a reason why teams put their lumbering oafs there- it’s the least challenging position there is. And since when are 0 RBIs in 2 playoff series (and less than 90 for the season in the 3rd spot) called “producing in the postseason?” For a 3rd hitter in our lineup, that’s inexcusable. I don’t mind Lee, but to keep him around for his glove and “postseason production” is ridiculous.
by reedjohnson on Oct 23, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We have a number of trade chips should we choose to use them.
Fontenot, Lilly, DeRosa, Cedeno, Theriot, Lee, Marshall, Wuertz, Cotts – none of those guys are “prospects” but that doesn’t mean they don’t have trade value. We aren’t going to match up well with teams looking for rated prospects to give their “rebuilding effort” good press, but we do match up well with teams willing to move mid-level talent around to clubs with better fits. In particular, those first three names on that list I believe will have significant value to certain teams. We might not match up well with the teams that would want those players, but if we do, Hendry will make a good trade.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with letting Woody and Demp walk
just to get the draft picks is that the Cubs have close to $120M tied up in other players whose baseball age clock is ticking. The Cubs are built to compete now, and they can’t put the value of four draft picks ahead of that.
Their best bet is to try to sign FAs and make judicious trades now in order to compete, and hope that they buy enough time for Tim Wilken to rebuild the minor league pipeline. Remember that there are plenty of great major leaguers who were not drafted in the first or sandwich round, and that Latin players (other than Puerto Ricans) aren’t subject to the draft at all.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it.
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by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing the name Nick Swisher and keep getting sick
I don’t like Swisher. Besides, has anybody ever seen Ernest T. Bass of Andy Griffith fame and Nick Swisher in the same room at the same time? I’m pretty sure they are the same person.
Just say no to Swisher. Don’t want him AT ALL.
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick who...????
`Please trade for/buy SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT…or better yet…someone RESPONSIBLE FOR SCORING
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 23, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Oct 23, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ernest T. Bass! Good one Blue Mike. There is a sense of humor in there. You should let
it out a little more often.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He tried once.
And all of BCB “blew up.”
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 24, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as others have pointed out...
…Swisher put up some pretty damn good numbers in Oakland before he became a peon in the Kingdom of Ozzie. I’m not necessarily advocating he be acquired just yet, but I think dismissing him outright just because he acts like a redneck (in so many words) is pretty ridiculous.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, there are some pretty good redneck ballplayers out there. Oswalt, Peavy, et. al. Don't
exclude the redneck factor.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could a change of scenery be what he needs?
Maybe staying in Chicago and being able to stick it to the Sox would be some good motivation for him.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would definitely be an interesting turn of events.
He would take some fierce booing during interleague play, though. I bet Hawk would commit some redneck-on-redneck verbal abuse as well.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"There's that sonofabitch Swisher, dadgummit!"
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hawk is compelled to do that,
it means Swisher did something good, so I’d be all for that.
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by Trey2317 on Oct 24, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy Development
Sounds like the Braves are not interesting in giving up their top Prospects and the Cards are not interested in taking on more salary in their rotation. If that is all true and it is not merely deal posturing by either organization, that leaves the Dodgers, the Cubs, and the Astros on the currently publicized list of teams he will accept a trade to. In my mind, that pretty much leaves the Stros and the Cubs. I can’t imagine that the Dodgers and Padres would trade with each other. That would be like us trading Soto to the Cardinals for prospects.
As has been said many times, the Cubs don’t have the prospects to pull off the deal so that either leaves the Stros, a Mystery team, or he does not get traded. My vote is for the Mystery Team….
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by TheRiot Police on Oct 23, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"That would be like us trading Soto to the Cardinals for prospects"
Not quite. More like the Pirates trading Aramis Ramirez (and Kenny Lofton) to the Cubs for Bobby Hill (and Jose hernandez). In other words, something a last place team in a small market would do.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Oct 23, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't count anyone out
- there’s a lot of posturing going on right now.
But I would call the Braves and ask if they’d do Yunel for Lilly.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they would listen to that if they miss out on Peavy, Demp, and Lowe.
The problem would be our ability to supply a bridge to Diory Hernandez or (more likely) Brandon Hicks. As I said in another post, Bobby Cox would not tolerate Riot’s glove at SS or Cedeño’s mental gaffes. DeRo would be OK for Cox defensively at SS, but he might not be welcomed back by Terry Pendleton due to problems they had before. (Cox is not above telling TP to shut up and live with it, however). The Braves could re-sign Renteria (if he would take a two year deal) if he doesn’t go elsewhere first. Cabrera would not fit in their clubhouse.
The problem is that the Cubs have to make sure they sign Demp first, and they would have to keep Marquis — a definite downgrade from Lilly. The Cubs will also have to wait until the FA pitching market dries up.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Marquis trades
you have to wait for the FA market to dry up, I think. But with Lilly – he’s cheap in years and dollars now – put him out there and you may not have to wait. If Lilly was put on the market, he’s the only lefty at his quality level available.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves don't necessarily care about LH/RH
(Glavine, James, and Reyes are LH), but if they sign Lowe or Demp they don’t have to give up Escobar. That’s why the Cubs would have to wait to see what the FA market is.
My point with Marquis is that, IMO, the Braves need 4 veteran SPs. If they lose Demp, they need both Lilly and Marquis (+ Z and Harden). If they sign Demp, they need to off-load (for financial reasons like affording a RF bat) one of (Lilly or Marquis or Harden). Of the three, the worst is Marquis, the most likely to get injured is Harden and the most valuable on the trade market is Lilly. You would trade Lilly only to bring back something of great value; you trade Marquis to dump salary.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Lilly, though,
is that with him, you’re on the hook for only 2 years. With Demp/Lowe, it’s probably 4 years. If they want Escobar out anyway, they might be willing to give up Escobar to avoid the two extra years to old arms.
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by DGU on Oct 23, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that they wouldn't mind keeping Escobar another year or two,
until he is arb-eligible. They can get a better read on his attitude and maturity level, and they can find out if Brandon Hicks is the real deal. (He was in high-A last year.) The Braves generally give players three years to prove themselves. That’s why I won’t be surprised if they trade Kelly Johnson as well. He hasn’t taken the “next step” to stardom, and they don’t like paying arb dollars for guys like that when they have a replacement (Martin Prado). However, I don’t think they will non-tender him.
The Braves know they need a top-flight pitcher, and would probably rather part with Escobar than Jordan Schafer.
The Braves (at least if Schuerholz taught Braves 101 to Wren sufficiently) generally won’t sign pitchers for more than three years (and, sometimes, vesting options), though I think they made an exception for Hudson. They are willing to pay “market value” per year, but will base their definition of market value on what “slot” they believe a SP is. (e.g., they slotted Glavine, Smoltz, and Maddux each as a #1 for salary purposes because that’s what they would have been on the open market.) If they view Lowe as a #2, but he wants #1 money, they will pass. Same with Demp: they probably look at him as a #2 or #3.
If they can get Peavy by giving up Escobar, Johnson, and one top pitching prospect, they will probably do that, but they won’t give up both Schafer and Hanson.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 23, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't we already supplied them with a bridge?
We gave them our best SS last off-season. Couldn’t Infante and Prado get them through a year?
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prado is more of a 2B, though he can play SS in a pinch.
I think the Braves would like to trade Kelly Johnson and give Prado 2B. Infante could play SS (though I don’t know if he’ll ever hit that well again), but Bobby Cox likes to have an “uncommitted” utility man. He likes his starters to play one position exclusively, and use utilityment to fill in.
When DeRo was the starting 3B, Cox moved him to SS only when they had an emergency. If Cox re-acquired DeRo, he would decide where to put him in ST and play him there exclusively unless a major injury necessitated a re-alignment. (He definitely would not do the Teflon Lou shuffle and make DeRo move game to game to accomodate a bench player.) I don’t think Cox sees Infante as an every day player, so he is perfect for the utility role.
Having said that, if they think that they need Lilly (and they might if they miss out on the other guys), they will give up Escobar if necessary to complete the deal, then go to plan B for SS. I’m sure they would rather give up Escobar than Jordan Schafer.
What would you think of Escobar, Johnson, and Jo-Jo Reyes for Lilly and DeRo? That would give the Cubs a LHB 2B (or a LHB OF if the Cubs get TNO), an upgrade at SS, and a LH SP with potential who has had a few hiccups so far, and is still pre-arb. It lowers the Cubs’ payroll a bit, so they might be able to sign a LHB OF, and it gives them a ML-ready #4/#5 starter so that they can trade Marquis and take a chance on Rich Hill. The Braves get a #2 starter with a reasonable contract, a bridge SS/2B with a good MI bat (or a LF if they don’t sign one), and the potential of draft picks after DeRo leaves. They have enough payroll room to take both.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something about that deal seems off.
I’m not sure the Braves would do it; that they’d rather keep the 2Bs out of the deal and do something like Escobar-Jo-Jo for Lilly-Cedeno, although I know you think Cox couldn’t take Cedeno.
Here’s a challenge trade – Lilly for J.J. Hardy?
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee is VERY interested in Jake Peavy according to Bruce Miles
And they have the young talent to get a deal done. Plus the payroll flexibility given the departure of Sheets, Sabathia, Gagne and probably also Cameron.
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the brewers don't sign C.C., the will go after Peavy in a big way. They will have a big hole
in their starting pitching and Peavy would go a long way towards filling it. I wouldn’t count out Atlanta yet. They may be trying to wait in the weeds and hope the price drops. I would put Houston as a distant third.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if Peavy refuses to go there?
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MILTON BRADLEY
He’s great from both sides of the plate…………..asshole or not he’s what we need IMO
by plenz on Oct 23, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe an "asshole"...
..is exactly what the Cubs need.
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by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a criminal
My goodness, go back and examine his very ugly depaturs from Montreal, Cleveland and the Dodgers. To include violent confrontations and threats made to managers of each of those teams, to include the esteemed Felipe Alou and Charlie Manuel. Also the incidents with fans in the stands in Cleveland and Los Angeles. Then look at the incident with the umpire in San Diego. And for toppers how about this year’s threat made to the Kansas City broadcast team while member of Texas.
Milton Bradley is a two-bit thug who I will predict with relative certainty will either be dead or living in prison by his mid-40’s. I don’t want him anywhere near the Cubs.
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by MDBNIU on Oct 23, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Those kind of characters seem to have post season success….
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 23, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find me one time he has been arrested
His teammates all seem to like him and always take his side as has been mentioned already.
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by nji232 on Oct 23, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off
He handled himself fairly well for Milton Bradley last year, less the storming up to the booth incident. The guy can hit and maybe they do need someone who is somewhat controversial to shake things up a bit. We saw where the team chemistry got us this year. And heck, Edmonds came over and gave this team a big boost. Bradley is a solid addition to a team IMO.
He is not the only thing we need though.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat controversial??
That’s like saying Jeffrey Dahmer had an eating disorder. Crikey.
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by MDBNIU on Oct 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow that was a creative and fairly humerous analogy.
However you look at it, maybe he can shape things up here and get these punks playing ball come playoff time in 09.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so to recap:
Milton Bradley: Dead or imprisoned by his mid-40s.
Felix Pie: Will never hit major league pitching.
Update your scorecards, people.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i also think that an asshole could be a benefit-
a guy who approaches the 101 year question from the media with “i don’t give a damn about the 101 years”; who can maybe neutralize some of the pressure by having a chip on his shoulder about it or simply not caring enough about pleasing other people. I mean its just a thought, not the total justification for acquiring him. That justification is 321/436/563
by philadelphiacub on Oct 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't discount the A-hole effect...
…and how it can shake up the club for the better. I played with one in college – Will Clark and he had the same rep in the bigs.
The key is for the A-hole to be productive, and it can help give the team a slight culture change that may not be a bad thing. This club in general seems to be pretty laid back, and someone to shake the tree may not be a bad thing.
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by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Clark. How there's a real asshole. Nothing like having a ballplayer treat everyone like they
were shit on his shoes. Has anyone ever seen that guy smile?
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh....
…the stories I could tell.
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by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hear some.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were sitting at a bar...
having a beer, I would.
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by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that as an invitation.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always love talking baseball...
…and as next season gets closer, maybe we can have a few cold ones.
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by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1989 NLCS
Ah, if Zim only thought of buzzing one under Clark’s chin, or asking to have his bat checked, or doing anything to get in his head…then it might’ve been a rematch of the same World Series teams from sixty years before.
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by CaliCub on Oct 25, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On that note
anyone else pick up that all the players when asked before the playoffs said they aren’t thinking about the “100 year thing” and that it doesn’t concern them and then after they got swept again..they said it was a lot of pressure and that it played a part in their performance?
I think they referred to it at least.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10000000000000000
Look………….I’m not trying to nominate Bradley for a Nobel peace prize here. I know his history but he’s an awfully good player and seems to be one of the few REALISTIC candidates to fill the gaping hole in our lineup. We don’t have alot of valuable trade chips……..would I like a different alternative?….yes……….but I think there are worse guys out there than MB
by plenz on Oct 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind signing Gameboard on a one year contract.
Supposedly, however, he is going to demand a three year contract. I have a sneaking suspicion that he will wear out his welcome long before the three years are over.
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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a lotta....
same as last year………
CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE……
0-6 in post season last 2 years…
AND the division isn’t getting any easier to win…..
STL WILL be better…young team that battled through injuries….
IMAGINE Strohs w/ Peavey or Suds keeping Sabathia…….
Status Quo doesn’t do it for me….sorry….not saying do somethiing to do something….by “standing pat” will not lead to division title..let alone NLCS or WS
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 23, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, will the NL Central be any harder to win next year?
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 24, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I think it might.
It really depends on how competitive all 6 teams are.
I think the dark horse is Cincinnati. Don’t forget about all of the young talent they have and I think they could contend as early as next year. Of course, think could stink it up again but I think they may have turned the corner with trading Dunn and Griffey and replacing them with younger, more athletic and verstile players. They key will be the development of their young pitching and Harang’s health.
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by cowsarecool220 on Oct 24, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who plays RF
if Fuku and Reed platoon in CF?
I assume we pursue someone, but if we’re unsuccessful, is the plan to let Fontenot start at 2b and put DeRosa in RF?
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by AceCubbie on Oct 24, 2008 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not DeRosa
They’re looking for someone not on roster. Abreu/Bradley/Hermida seem the best bets right now.
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fonty is a bench player.
If we cannot secure a REAL RF that can produce all year long, and we move DeRo to RFm then we need a Roberts or another 2B.
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by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My concern is less about Fonty and more about DeRo
DeRosa’s bat is wasted in RF. If we’re getting a different 2B, we might as well trade DeRosa for something of different value to us. I’d be comfortable getting Fontenot more ABs or better yet a non-traditional platoon between Fontenot ant Theriot next to a Real SS.
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand your statement of DeRosa's bat being wasted in RF. The corner OF spots should
be offensive producers, so how is his bat wasted there. If you are advocateing keeping him a 2B so a stronger bat could be placed in RF, I could see that.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The argument is that DeRosa is much more valuable as a 2B than as a RF.
So, if we aren’t going to use him at 2B and take that value ourselves, we should trade him to a team that will give us the comparative value.
The principle here is that a 2B who hits .285/.360/.450 should be worth something like a RF who hits .295/.370/.485 because it’s a lot easier to get a RF bat than a 2B bat. Of course you have to find a team with a RF they’re willing to trade. Maybe, the White Sox would be willing to trade Swisher for DeRosa – in DeRosa they get a 2B option and 3B option going into 2009. Of course, for the Cubs to do that, they’d have to believe that Swish is really the hitter he was in 2006-2007, not the guy we saw last year.
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All things being equal, his trade value is probably as high as it's ever going to be. The one
thing that is probably keeping the Cubs from moving him is his ability to play several positions and play them all pretty well. With his offensive production jast year, I’m sure there are lots of teams that would like to have him. As you stated, you want to get an offensive RF in return that would be of equal value to DeRosa. That might be a tall order.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have plenty of depth at 2B if we get a Real SS.
And if we sign Casey Blake, he can cover every other positon that DeRosa did. If not Blake, there are other options from upside like McPherson/Marte to vet stability Bloomquist/Boone.
And you’re exactly right, his value is never going to be higher – I like that he’s an easy arb offer for likely 2 picks next year, I like that he’s a good player and good clubhouse influence, but I’d certainly be open to trading him for the right offer.
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Right now, Marmol and Soto are probably the only untouchables on this team right now. If the right opportunity came along, I would pull the trigger.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Marmol in the right deal.
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It better be a damn good one. He has put up some numbers that are just
off of the chart. His type of arm doesn’t come along that often. If you trade him at this point in his career with his numbers. you better be sure you get a star in return. You are talking about a possible dominant closer for years to come. You better not make a mistake on him.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But all Marmol will ever give you is 85 innings
If I could get a top SS who plays 160 games, I’d trade Marmol.
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they key is, who would you replace him with?
If you fill a hole by creating another hold, are you really better off?
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by cowsarecool220 on Oct 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzman/Samardzija
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by Trey2317 on Oct 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really want to discuss the value of a closer versus a starter? Just
ask the brewers about that one. How would the brew crew have fared if they had Lidge. You are right, it’s only 85 innings, but those are some pretty important innings. I know they tried to pitch C.C. like he was a closer, but that won’t work.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing, Marmol's not our closer.
I think you need a closer and another 2 solid relievers in the ‘pen. But if I could trade Marmol for a good position player, I could sign Juan Cruz for a whole lot less money than it would take to sign the position player. And in some cases, like SS, there’s nothing on the FA market (assuming Furcal’s not going to be both healthy and not a Dodger).
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by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've already experienced Juan Cruz,
let’s not do that again.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 24, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't sign Woody, Marmol will be your closer. I wouldn't be so quick
to send Marmol packing. The Cubs history is littered with players they have traded before their careers got off the ground and they turned into real stars. I’m not going to go into that list. Some guys are just special and you don’t move them unless a great offer comes along.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I'm not going to trade Marmol for Julio Lugo or anything like that
but how many relievers are good for 6 straight years? If we’re talking about trading guys a year too early – relievers are always a candidate for that. Look at Juan Rincon – he had an ERA for the Twins in the 2.00s for three straight years and then was worthless the last two years. It is more likely that Marmol’s value is at its peak than that we’ll regret trading him.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in my first post, it had better be a good deal. It's easy to
speculate on what trading a player like Marmol would bring, but you don’t want to plug one hole while opening another. This bullpen is not exactly flush with lights out arms. There was a reason why Marmol was used a lot last year or did we all forget about how many times our relievers struggled. If it were me, I would look to fill the needs by moving someone else. I would keep him.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 24, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RPs seldom last very long,
and that is even more true now that they can’t use steroids to speed up their recovery. Mariano Rivera is the exception, not the rule. Even Bob Howry has lasted longer (as a top set-up guy, not a mop-up man like Russ Springer) than most. If you have a chance at a SP or position player with upside, you trade Carlos.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry has to be open...
…to a lot of possibilities, because continuing to break the bank is not going to be option one for him anytime soon.
I agree DeRosa’s value right now is at a peak, and I also think Ramirez is at a relative peak as well. Here is the problem though, Hendry is not big (in fact I can’t remember one occurance) when he traded someone at the height of their value, for something that would help the club. As a rule, he has avoided this like the plague, and it is something a good GM has to use from time to tome.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've talked about Dusty's boys and Lou's boys
but Jim has his boys and he’ll believe in them until their value tanks.
In a certain sense Choi was a guy Hendry liked and Hendry traded Choi a touch before Choi’s peak value. Otherwise, I can’t think of a similar trade
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO...
…you can never be a good GM if you aren’t willing to trade players of value, for something that makes the club better. The idea is to put improving the club before everything else, and Hendry has never used this approach.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
It will be interesting to see what he does this winter. I am firmly against giving Ryan Dempster a 4 year deal, but that appears to be what will happen. I’d give Hendry the keys to the city if he could somehow offload Alfonso Soriano. At a minimum he needs to come up with a primetime left-handed hitting run producer. I do not share the opinion that the Cubs have desperate neee for leadoff hitter. I’m comfortable with Ryan Theriot in that slot. Or a rotating mix that includes Reed Johnson and maybe even a little bit of Mark DeRosa.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 24, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying that DeRo's value is at its peak right now is almost a tautology.
He won’t be traded in the middle of the 2009 season if the Cubs are in the race (which they very likely will be), and he can’t be traded after the 2009 season at all.
However, DeRo’s theoretical trade value is meaningless. It doesn’t matter. At all.
The Cubs are not a rebuilding team. They are a built team. The Cubs are trying to win the World Series in 2009. The only question Hendry should be asking is: “Is DeRo more valuable to us on the field, or bringing us a piece we desperately need?” If the Orioles offered Roberts for DeRo even-up, Hendry would take it because he needs a lead-off hitter more than he needs DeRo’s RBIs. If the Rockies offer two excellent prospects that just finished low-A ball, Hendry has to pass, because those prospects won’t help the Cubs in 2009.
The same thing is true with Ramy. If the Phillies offer Chase Utley for Ramy, you make the trade (and move DeRo to 3B) because the Cubs need a LH power hitter more than a RH power hitter. Otherwise, there probably isn’t any way that trading Ramy would help the 2009 Cubs.
Hendry understands that the players might have reduced value later; if the Cubs win the WS in 2009, will you care about their worth in 2010?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question...
…Hendry should be asking himself everyday is; what are my options to improve the ballclub?
-he can make trades
-he can sign FA’s
-or someone can come up from the farm
He should not rule out the trade part of this, just because it may involve trading a core piece of the team and or a popular player (something he has a habit of doing).
The goal is to get better, and we know he has gone heavy in the FA route and now it may be time to think more creatively on how he can improve via the trade route.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The main problem is that it takes two to tango or make a trade.
If one of the two happens to be Andy McPhail, all bets are off.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DGU,
Are you suggesting that Casey Blake can play SS? I would shudder at the thought of seeing him play MI.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm suggesting
that Lou doesn’t treat DeRosa as SS eligible – and in this scenario I’m weaving, we got a real, healthy SS and Theriot becomes the backup SS and part-time 2B.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, you're in Lou's world as opposed to the baseball common-sense world. :-)
Remember, though, Lou does have some regard for DeRo as a SS. After they traded Izturis in 2007, they did not call up Cedeño.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the speculation I try to do is in Lou's world
If I wasn’t working around Lou, maybe I’d try something like this for the 2009 roster:
C – Soto
1B – DeRosa plus someone like Se. Casey or if I could get one cheaply DMcPherson/ChTracy
2B – Fontenot/DeRosa
SS – Ma. Izturis/Br. Wood
3B – Ramirez
LF – Soriano
CF – Pie/Dome
RF – Hermida/Dome
SP – Harden, Zambrano, Dempster, Marshall, Uehara, RiHill
RP – Wood, Iwase, Eyre, Guzman, Samardzija, Gaudin
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ARE working in Lou's world
if you want to keep moving DeRo around like that.
For Buck Showalter, it was a necessity. He had no other backup IF before he got Hairston in the Nevin trade, and he had two seriously underperforming outfielders. He needed to keep DeRo’s bat in the lineup.
For Teflon Lou, it is all about having a play toy. He only values DeRo for his versatility, not his bat. (Try finding an interview where he talks about DeRo as one of his big hitters.) I think he would still like him gone. Bobby Cox would have told LBR to buy an OF glove and learn how to use it rather than playing musical chairs with his MI.
If you can’t find a spot for DeRo to play every day (and you have six from which to choose), please trade him…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I value versatility as well.
I assume that in a given year some player will bust out and some player will flop. Having versatile players makes it easier to adjust in season. Note, I’m looking at guys who could play 3B at 1B, too.
Here’s a question for you – set DeRosa aside for a minute. After Fontenot’s year this year – he was Chase Utley with the bat!! – don’t you think the Cubs ought to give him at least another 300 PA next year, if not 450 PA? At the same time, do you feel like you can trust him to play full time?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think LBR can be a full-time player.
What happened to him in June 2008 and July 2008 illustrates the point. He is trying to play a big man’s game with a little man’s body, so he has to cheat a bit. In his particular case, his swing has a bit of a loop and a definite down-and-in tilt. He also starts his bat very early; thus, he is susceptible to fastballs over his hands, change-ups low and away, and hard sliders with a big downward tilt (“bad to his power”). The more ABs he has, the more that scouts will expose him.
As a part-time player, teams will tend to gloss over him in the pre-series meeting. I think that Teflon Lou did a good job of spotting him, but you can see Lou’s concern about him when he made up stories about DeRo not being able to play the OF (which were refuted by DeRo) in order to not match LBR against Lowe. While Teflon Lou’s move essentially threw Dome onto the L tracks, by making up an issue with another player (“DeRo can’t play the OF”), and bought him an out for the playoff failure (“I was concerned about our offense all along”) in the media, I’m sure it lost him a lot of respect in the clubhouse. Throwing a starter under the bus to protect a bench player is not the way to endear yourself to team leaders.
Should he get 300 PAs? Not in the manner he did last year. DeRo had a terrible year defensively, and he wasn’t helped by all the shuffling. (Some of his early problems were probably due to missing so much ST.) My suggestion is for Teflon Lou to tell LBR to buy an OF glove and bring it to ST. If Lou is willing to play Micah Freakin Hoffpauir in RF, how much worse can LBR be?
I don’t like the shuffling of the MI in particular as I think it leads to too many mistakes. LBR might be the top LH PH next season (depending on whether they keep Ward/Hoff, which will depend on whether they keep five OFs), so Lou won’t be able to afford to start him too often.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 24, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fonty
I don’t think anyone expects Fontenot to hit .300/.400/.500, but if he can still give us .285/.360/.435 in a platoon, that’s getting us close to DeRosa right there. If you don’t think he can even do that, we should just trade him to a team that overvalues his stat line.
I see what you mean about the defensive shuffling. I think this is a significant issue
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 25, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief...
Mark DeRosa was arguable Cub MVP in 2008 in follow-up to a solid year in a Cub uniform in 2007. How on earth can you be so dismissive of a key strength of this team.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 24, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better grief...
I’m hardly dismissive of DeRosa. I’’ve lambasted Lou for disrespecting DeRosa in coversations with you before. The question is how do we reconfigure this current roster to have the most value in 2009 and trading DeRosa has to be on the table when we have Fontenot and Theriot behind him and suitable 4-corners guys like him on the FA market. His value as a 2B has to be higher to other teams than it is to us. If they match up with us in trade, I’ll personally be sorry to see DeRosa go, but…
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 24, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say let him walk if he feels that way...
With all of the money the Cubs have paid Kerry Wood over the years, and how often he’s been hurt, he owes the organization big time. If he doesn’t feel that way, and insists on something the organization is unwilling to give him, then I say let him go. Look, I love Kerry as much as anyone, but he should be grateful that the Cubs gave him a new career. You can’t give a guy with his injury history a three year contract.
by rememberthecoop on Oct 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else concerned about Marmol as closer?
Having said that about Wood, then who is the closer going to be? I’m guessing Marmol. But then who is the set-up man? Samardzija. I hope it works out, but Marmol is unproven in that role.
by rememberthecoop on Oct 24, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs
i,d give wood a 2 yr at the most.we,ll have to wait and see if wood or dempster wii demand big paydays.if your happy and have been to the postseason 3 times in 6 years what,s a couple of milllion dollars more that will probably go to the goverment anyways.and all this talk about josh hamiltom????he was ours for about 5 minutes before we flipped him to cincy.
by NOMAR on Oct 25, 2008 4:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
derosa
what,s better than a team guy that can play multiple posistions.this guy,s a keeper and the fan,s love him.good job marky mark.
by NOMAR on Oct 25, 2008 4:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aramis Ramirez
His agent is being interviewed on ESPN 1000’s, “Talking Baseball”.
Aramis and his agent are both an their way to Philadelphia as he has been award the Hank Aaron award which will be presented before game 3 of the World Series.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 25, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, good for him!
What exactly is the Hank Aaron award? I’m too lazy to look it up.
by kanderber on Oct 26, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hank Aaron award
is presented to the best overall offensive player in each league.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Oct 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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