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The Cub Can Of Worms: Harry Chiti

BCB reader TheHawkRules last week made this post titled "The Worst In A Cubs Uniform" in which he discussed some of the most feeble players ever to don the blue pinstripes.

Well, this gave me an idea. Two years ago I did the Top 100 Cubs list -- TheHawkRules wondered if there could be a "bottom 25". I'm not going to attempt to rank the most rotten Cubs, because that wouldn't be fair to them, nor to our memories of them. Each of us has players we saw in our own experience who became hated, for different reasons at different times in Cub history.

What I'm going to do here this offseason is, occasionally, to take players who were either named in that post, or add a few of my own, and do a brief profile. Perhaps by gently reminding all of us of the horrors that preceded the present day, we can remember how good we have it now, and how we can, despite the devastating playoff failure, look forward to better things to come in the future. (Plus, we still have plenty of time for 2009 roster discussion -- it's not even free agent season yet!)

We're going to begin with Harry Chiti, who caught for the Cubs from 1950-1956 (with a two-year stint in the Army during the middle of that period, after he was drafted). First, have a look at this photo of Chiti, taken at New York's Polo Grounds in 1956:

What am I doing here?? via upload.wikimedia.org

The look on his face epitomizes, I think, the Cub teams of the 1950's. Confused. Drifting. Unsure. Chiti was only 23 in 1956, but the Cubs were about to give up on him. They signed him out of a Detroit high school in 1950, before he'd even turned 18, to what was termed a "substantial bonus". Starting in 1947, any player who signed for more than $4,000 (a great deal of money 61 years ago!) had to spend two full years on the major league roster or he'd be lost to waivers, sometimes playing little, if at all. And thus, Chiti was a Cub through 1952, playing in only three games in 1950 and nine in 1951. In '52, for the only Cub team that didn't have a losing record between 1946 and 1963, he hit .274/.305/.451 with five homers in 113 AB -- not too shabby.

Then he spent two years in the Army, and when he returned, he had a halfway decent year as (mostly) the starting catcher in '55 -- .231/.282/.352 with 11 HR. Those aren't great numbers from a 2008 perspective, but keep in mind the '50s were a lower-offense era, and that Chiti was 22 years old. You had to figure he'd get better. Many observers said he'd be "the next Gabby Hartnett" -- that, of course, was dreaming. Chiti's only resemblance to Hartnett was his physical build, 6-3, 225.

The Cubs, of course, took that as the opportunity to acquire a veteran -- Hobie Landrith, four years older -- to split duty. Landrith hit even worse -- .221/.307/.311 -- and Chiti just about matched him, hitting .212/.281/.340. This performance got him traded to the Yankees for Charlie Silvera, a 32-year-old backup who, despite having played for seven Yankee pennant winners, had exactly two World Series at-bats.

Thus were the Cubs of the '50s. Chiti never did play for the Yankees -- he got dumped to Kansas City in one of the myriad of sweetheart deals the Yankees made in those days, and eventually he wound up with the horrid 1962 expansion Mets. The story has been told for decades that Chiti was "traded for himself" -- the Mets got him from the Indians and then sent him back. It's not quite true -- both deals were for cash; the Mets bought him from Cleveland on April 26, 1962, and then sold him back to the Tribe on June 15 of that year after he had gone 8-for-41 (and had to compete again with Landrith for playing time). He never played in the majors again.

Harry's son Dom Chiti was a 2nd-round draft pick of the Atlanta Braves in 1976 and was a longtime minor league coach and scout. He spent two years as the Texas Rangers' bullpen coach before being fired last August 2 -- as if a bullpen coach was the source of all the Rangers' woes last year.

As the offseason goes by, I'll post a number of these, as I noted, taking suggestions from the FanPost and adding some of my own. Hope you take them in the spirit in which I offer them.

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Nice change of pace,

I was getting weary reading of the hundreds of different roster changes we could be making. It’s not even November yet either!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Oct 27, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting reading, Al. The one thing I get from this is that there were probably

a lot of players like Chiti floating around the majors back then. You here all of the stories about how there were so few teams back then and how tough the competition was for jobs. Supposedly, the minor leagues were filled with guys who weren’t given a shot because the big league teams were so stocked with good players. I guess that wasn’t exactly the case.

Some have suggested that guys like this had jobs because the influence of african-american and latin players hadn’t been felt in the leagues yet. I don’t know if that was the case, but this guy certainly was no world beater. I do agree with the fact that offensive numbers were down in this era. It only makes you appreciate guys like Dimaggio, Williams, Musial, Mantle and Mays, who put up monster numbers in spite of the high mound, spit-balls and bean ball wars.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Remember there were only 16 teams until 1961.

There WERE some talented minor league players who never got a shot. Steve Bilko, a hulk of a 1B who would have made a great DH, was a Cub for a time and set all kinds of power records in the PCL in the 1950’s. The Cubs really should have just given him the 1B job and let him play — how much worse could they have been?

MLB finally expanded in the 1960’s because, among others, William Shea (after whom the now-demolished Shea Stadium was named) tried to start a third major league — the Continental League — with a team in New York after the Giants and Dodgers left. The CL idea was dropped after the NL agreed to put a team back in New York. Other cities were to be Houston, Atlanta, Toronto, Denver, Minneapolis, Dallas and Buffalo; all of them eventually got major league teams (except Buffalo).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess that was the heyday of the minor leagues. Most teams

had multiple AAA teams and at one point in time the dodgershad close to 30 minor league teams. Expansion really took a toll on the minors as many of the PCL teams became major league teams. Some old-timers even claim that at it’s peak the PLC rivaled the AL and NL in talent.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the 1950's...

… the PCL was given “Open” classification for a time. This meant that it was more than a Triple-A league — it had enough talent to rival some major league teams and there was some thought that it might try to become a third major league. This was before the Giants and Dodgers moved to California — when that happened, that took away a lot of the fanbase in LA and the SF Bay area, which had four of the teams (LA Angels, Hollywood Stars, SF Seals, Oakland Oaks).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm wonder what would have happened to the PCL if the Dodgers and

Giants hadn’t moved west when they did. Obviously O’Malley would have had a tough time passing up the sweetheart deal in LA, but Brooklyn could have held on to the Dodgers if the had let O’Malley build his park. If the Dodgers don’t move, neither do the Giants and the situation would be completely different. The PCL may have become that third major league and baseball would be different than it is today. Those teams would probably be absorbed into major league like the other professional sports leagues, but the alignment might be a bit different.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great point

The baseball landscape could be completely different if the Dodgers didn’t move west. That’s long before my time, but an interesting idea to research – it could make a great book?

by CubsnWrigleyfield on Oct 27, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a couple that are recommended.

The Dodgers Move West – by Neil J Sullivan and The Giants and the Dodgers: Four Cities Two … – by Andrew Goldblatt. They supposedly chronicle the whole situation with O’Malley, Brooklyn and LA and how it all came about.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Five Old, Old (Pre-1958) PCL Cities with MLB Teams

Those would be Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Seattle, and San Diego. In fact, the PCL San Diego team was called the Padres.

Phoenix had a team in the PCL from 1958-59 and from 1966-1997. That team is in Fresno now. If you add Phoenix to the list, that would make 6 old PCL cities that now have MLB teams.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

A good idea...

…especially since the previous fanposts have focused on guys from the ’80s and ’90s as most of us readers (myself included) are too young to personally remember players from the ’50s and ’60s.

Maybe you can answer the questions that I always remember from The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading, and Bubble Gum Book

“Who the hell is Cuno Barragan? And why are they saying those terrible things about him?”

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I intend to do stories...

… from as many eras as I can find ’em.

Cuno Barragan. Now there’s a guy who might be worth a story or two. I’ll see what I can dig up. His entire Cub career (1961-63) was during the College of Coaches era.

The College of Coaches might get a post all its own in this series.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

A College of Coaches would be a great post. Many Cub fans have no idea how that originated

and what a bust it was.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right.

I’ll definitely do that. It fits in with the spirit of this series.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you want a managerial debacle...

…the Cubs made Rabbit Maranville their manager for a couple months back in the 1920s. Maranville was a good defensive shortstop but he was also a clown and an alcoholic so putting him in charge of the team didn’t work out so well. That has to rank pretty high on an all-time list of bad decisions by the Cubs front office.

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 27, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

He would make scrappy-do proud. In

1922, he set a still-standing ML record by going to the plate 672 times without hitting a home run. That was amazing even in the dead-ball era.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure that record is still standing?

Juan Pierre just hit his first home run as a Dodger at the end of the 2008 season so it makes me wonder if that record still stands. (I’m assuming the record is for the plate appearences in a single season without a homer.)

Overall, I thought it was a journeyman who finally hit his first home run with the Twinkies last year who holds the records for most at bats in a career without a home run. Can’t think of his name.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Oct 27, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're thinking of

Jason Tyner.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Oct 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The record is for AB is a single season with no HR's. Pierre had 668 in 2007. Tyner

had over 1000 AB’s without a HR, but it was spread over 7+ seasons. The Rabbit still holds the record for AB’s in a single season without a HR.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

672 ABs without a homer in a season

is a helluva feat.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Oct 27, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had 198 hits, 26 doubles and 15 triples. It almost like he

was trying not to hit a homerun.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

given some of those parks

and his 41 extra-base hits, how he didn’t scratch out an inside-the-park homer is surprising, too.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Oct 27, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad Cubs...

Al, the problem is not finding 25 awful Cubs. The problem is limiting it to 25. Though it does speak highly of you that you don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.

Can I suggest Glen Hobbie and Warren Hacker?

Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?

by 3744nsheffield on Oct 27, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

It may not be limited to 25...

… depending on how much I feel like doing.

I think both Hobbie and Hacker were mentioned in the other thread, so they’re under consideration. I should point out that Hobbie did win 16 games twice for bad Cub teams (OK, so he lost 20 one of the two years), and Hacker went 15-9 in 1952 and finished 23rd in MVP voting.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on Hacker

He wasn’t as bad as his record. Surprisingly, he had a 102 ERA+ in the season when he lost 19 games. Those were some bad teams so no pitcher could win with those. As you also said Hobbie did have some decent years but the 20 losses does warrant consideration.

Should be some fun posts Al. A few other nominations:

1. Scot Thompson: The Cubs really thought he was going to be good.
2. Vic Harris: The 3rd man in the Jenkins/Madlock deal. He could not hit at all.
3. Dave LaRoche: Of course. My choice for second worst Cubs player ever (after Todd Hundley).
4. Schraldi/Nipper: Lee Smith, huh? You could do them as a pair.

  

by rlpete on Oct 27, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vic Harris - I had forgot about that bum. He was your basic

punch and judy middle infielder. He couldn’t hit was a damn. He had a halfway descent year with Texas the year before the Cubs got him and in usual Cub fashion he went right in the tank. A career .217 hitter, your basic must-have player.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think all of those were mentioned in the original thread.

I’ll get to as many of them as I can.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

lots worse

I can think of worse guys that Hobbie & Hacker. Cuno, by the way, homered in his first major league at bat!

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Oct 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

That was his only ML homer.

It came at age 29 after he bounced around the minors for at least four years.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andre Rodgers

A cricket player in his native Bahamas, he coulldn’t hit OR field. Unfortunately, he was the guy who replaced Ernie at ss when his bad knees forced him over to first. Big dropoff.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Oct 27, 2008 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Todd Hundley is probably the worst Cub of the last 15 years

At least Hendry was able to turn him into Karros and Gruds!

Mel Rojas is in that conversation too.

by CubsnWrigleyfield on Oct 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

My thought exactly.

I have never seen a worse everyday player than Todd Hundley. What would you call him—-a zero tool player, or a -5 tool player? He couldn’t do anything competently. I admit I was glad when they got him, but, wow, was he terrible. And WGN would never say anything bad about him obviously because they did not want to damage their relationship with Randy. Forget the trade for Aramis Ramirez. Trading Hundley away was the most amazing deal Hendry made. How did he get anyone to take him? Considering the timing of Hundley’s power years, and reputed anger problem, I have to wonder if he was part of the late 90’s problem. Does Canseco or Mitchell mention him?

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 27, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Hey, this is pretty cool. I was hoping that Al would take a look at some of the “stinkers” and why. I hoped in bringing up the subject would get our minds off of what happened in the playoffs, and it looked like it did… at least a little bit.

I also wanted to learn more about the pre-80’s Cubs. Of course I’ve heard about the good, but what about the bad? Though it was rarely touched upon, it was, and I was glad to have added some new names and stories to my own personal knowledge of the Cubs.

Haha.. I can’t wait till we get to Larry Himes. He’s def my number one most hated.

Haha.. I can’t wait till we get to Larry Himes. He’s def my number one most hated.Go Cubs Go ’09

by TheHawkRules on Oct 27, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, you mentioned you hated Larry Himes twice.

You must have really hated him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twice

wasn’t enough!!!

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Oct 27, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha... Oops

Haha, still, I can’t stand him and I wish he was never associated with the Cubbies. LOL. I feel like I can’t stress that enough!

by TheHawkRules on Oct 27, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I couldn't agree more.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think Himes was worse than Ed Lynch?

Lynch was Hawk Harrelson bad. At least Himes had success elsewhere, before he came to the Cubs. And the fact that Mark Grace had so many bad things to say about Himes, to my mind, gives Himes some credibility.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 27, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, consider this

He wanted to let Sandberg walk and he DID let Maddux walk.

I’m with Grace on this one.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 27, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grace be to you

I’m not saying Himes was good, just that Lynch was worse. I don’t know if we ever got the full story on Maddux. All I remember is that he walked for the same amount the Cubs offered. I’m not upset. I’m glad for Maddux. He was one of the classiest guys in the game. He’s one of the top five pitchers i ever had more than a passing interest in. He, Gibson, Jenkins, Fernando V., Hershiser. Let’s be honest. The Cubs weren’t going to surround hime with the same kind of team the Braves did. I don’t know if they knew how. It would have been a total waste of a matchless talent.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 28, 2008 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ed Lynch has got to be one of the worst GM's of all times. The guy didn't

have a clue as to what he was doing. He couldn’t find his own ass with a GPS and three bird dogs. Totally freaking useless. And he is still on the Cubs payroll.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 28, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to your future post

on this topic, Al. Thanks for doing this as this will help not only in our knowledge of the Cubs but help pass the time till spring training.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Oct 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't Harry Chiti

the subject of a Mike Royko column about Cubs futility, and/or an answer to one of his Cubs Quizzes? I can’t find anything online but I’ll peruse my (book) collection and see if I can find it.

by ChipSet on Oct 27, 2008 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I think I remember this too.

But, I can’t remember where, either. Let us know if you find anything.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to imagine a time when pro athletes were drafted into the military

seems so crazy by todays standards

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 27, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

How about Mick Kelleher

No HR and a batting average that TOPPED out at .254 in six seasons.

by cubfanjim on Oct 27, 2008 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Mick was mentioned in the original post.

He did play pretty good defense, though.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mick was the Augie Ojeda of the '70's. In 11 big league seasons Mick never had

the pleasure of hitting a HR. He was the quint essential all field-no hit player. 1081 AB’s, no HR’s.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but if the parks were that much bigger, you would have thought he could have

sqeezed out 1 inside-the-park HR. He only had 6 triples in 11 years. That equals no power.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, Mick Kelleher was just mediocre.

If he was one of the worst players ever, then the vast majority of ballplayers are the worst players ever, and that can’t be.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 27, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the problem. He was unusally mediocre. At least some of the Cubs on the list had some

type of quirk or personality. Kelleher just laid there like a lump of oatmeal. He wasn’t even fun bad.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 28, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't the worst player in the world

but I will never forget when Don Baylor played Delino DeShields at third base. What was he thinking?

"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."

by Cubster on Oct 27, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I had forgotten about that train wreck. Delino's position was really hitter-baserunner.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al.... I couldn't stop laughing....

"The look on his face epitomizes, I think, the Cub teams of the 1950’s. Confused. Drifting. Unsure. " I mean… Chiti’s face is hilarious… that comment made me laugh so hard this morning… woke me up.

Go Cubs. Go Irish.

by ctinsley12bsu on Oct 27, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

The tough thing is about worst players ever...

and in the original post I mentioned, among others, Kelleher, Harris, Vail etc… these players are remembered because they were good enough to have seen enough playing time to be remembered. And most would not have seen the light of day on any decent Cub team. So many of them are simply the personification of our disappointment and frustration at a certain time of our life. Players like Rondell White and Kevin Tapani were even mentioned in the original. These guys were actually among the best players on their Cub teams. But for whatever reason, someone has scapegoated them as the reason for still more frustration.

But Al, I salute you on going old school on the first selection. Too many of the players on the original post were from the past 20 years. No doubt a result of the age of the posters. but these folks are mere pups when it comes to the suffering fans of the early to mid-60s like you and I have seen. I’ll see anyone’s Kyle Farnsworth and raise them an Oscar Zamora.

by the nth on Oct 28, 2008 1:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to try to do players from all eras...

… not just recent ones. I may also post stories about players who might have otherwise been decent, but who did dumb things or things that made fans turn against them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Oct 28, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

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Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

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