Cubbies failing in EVERY phase of the game
You seriously could not script a more tragic trainwreck if you were a St. Louis Cardinal fan who had hatred in your veins for the Cubs. The Cubs failed on all cylinders tonight. They puckered up and failed to hit, field, pitch, execute. The best performance of the game was actually turned in by Carlos Zambrano of all people because he was the only one who sucked it up and at least tried to persevere.
And now I'm listening to Lou on the radio and he says these have been the two worst games played by the team all year. He has no answers, not that I expect the manager to have answers for this. Yes Lou made a few tactical moves that raised my ire, but make no mistake this was a total failure of the players on the field. The players who form a $110 million plus payroll.
P.S. Yes, it is official, Kosuke is in the doghouse. Lou was the most critical of a player that I have ever seen him be in public. Basically suggesting that Kosuke is useless and he's all done being out there on the field anymore. A little too late for that revelation Lou !!! Mike Fontenot should have been in the damned lineup tonight and Mark DeRosa and his bad wheel in right field where he couldn't possibly have been any worse than he was at 2nd base.
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Yes, yes, yes
Kosuke should be nothing other than a defensive late inning replacement.
He should get about as many AB’s as Marmol or Wood.
Screw the lefty advantage! If you don’t hit, you don’t hit. Plat Fonty and move DeRo or just play Reed in RF if you are worried about DeRo’s wheels.
The only joy I have right now is that we don’t play tomorrow…
by wsunick on Oct 3, 2008 12:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The words of Lou were so stern I wouldn't be surprised if Kosuke isn't purchasing ticket back to Japan at this moment
We won’t see Kosuke the rest of these playoffs in any role. He has become the new 25th man on the roster if I am to interpret the rage of Lou.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think those words will carry to next season.
If management has a clue they suck it up and send this guy packing along with that cancer in LF.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke is owed $36 million after this year and Soriano nearly $100 million...
I think that about sums up their respective marketability.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they work during the regular season
Once it comes to post season they FREEZE!
This is Alaska folks. Welcome to Siberia of Sports.
by IllinoisCubs on Oct 3, 2008 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke didn't hit in the regular season.
He hit for a month or so. Ever since then, he’s hit like an AL pitcher.
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by D98 on Oct 3, 2008 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke can't hit a major league breaking ball
And now every pitcher in baseball knows it. If he can’t figure out a way to foul off or actually hit a decent slider, he will be lucky to hit .240 from this point on. It’s not the “long season” — he was figured out.
by cubmudgeon on Oct 3, 2008 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he'll adjust to their adjustment
But I’m not optimistic.
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by AceCubbie on Oct 3, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my guess
he spends this offseason working on it.
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by mjk83 on Oct 3, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Who knows what an offseason of hard training and working with a hitting coach can do. We know he can hit. He just needs some work on his swing. 5 months of being shamed by Pinella should drive him.
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 3, 2008 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of the things we heard
about him when the cubs first signed him was about how hard he trained…..I guess we’ll see that this offseason.
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by mjk83 on Oct 3, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be calling out my infield....if I were a manager...
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 3, 2008 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me add
that Lou is critical of Kosuke but he (Lou) is the one who put him in this failing situation. If you are mad at a guy for not getting a freakin’ hit, pitch hit for him!! Why he kept Kosuke in the game is hard to understand…
by wsunick on Oct 3, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly agree
I am staunch supporter of Lou Piniella at nearly all times, but his election of Kosuke to play right field in these two games is inexcusable. And NOW after two losses in a short series he is all angry and basically says Kosuke can go f*^% himself???? Well the proverbial cow has already left the barn Lou !!
Lou Piniella has handled this situation exponentially poorly.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why he's angry. Lou is partly angry at himself.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
Usually when he gets mad it has an explanation that is closer to the source.
by wsunick on Oct 3, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's a lefty and a patient hitter.
Lou is mad because the guy wasn’t swinging. A pitcher who was wild decided that he could throw down the middle to the Japanese fraud with no risk involved. Then Ward decided to do a Fukudome imitation, looking at a border line pitch with two strikes. And I just mentioned two players who have to leave by next year.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As bad as Fukudome has been...
… he wasn’t the reason the Cubs lost these two games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 3, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosuke had no business starting these two games and batting 2nd in game 1
Fact is he has hit in 10 weeks. Not a lick in fact. Fact is also both Reed Johnson and Mike Fontenot have been fine offensive catalysts when they are in the lineup. And finally, how much worse could an alleged hobbled DeRosa have been in right field versus how awful he was at 2nd?
No excuse for Kosuke in the lineup. Certainly not after the dismal first game of the series. To have him start a second consecutive game while Johnson and Fontenot lay waste on the bench?
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly thought Lou had him in there
for his defense. Didn’t he say as much? Did Lou really expect him to hit? If so, that was overly optimistic if not delusional, much as I love Lou.
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 3, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get lost.
Honestly you’re pathetic. Blue mike, do you do anything but spew idiotic opinions and bother rational Cubs fans? Why dont you just give up or move along? They’re the Cubs, get over it. They’re going to lose in creative ways and its part of this team’s history to do so. Get used to it.
Also, get lost. I’m tired of reading your idiotic opinions and boring old nasty stuff. I get it, you think you know baseball, oh well. You dont. If you did, you’d be getting paid to coach. Instead your on a message board. Give it up, I’m sick of your dark side of baseball.
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by Ryan at Cubshub on Oct 3, 2008 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pound sand
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about your signature quote...
we should notice that we gave up 3 runs after the 6th last night and 4 more tonight. 10-2 after the 6th will also not get the job done.
by wsunick on Oct 3, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. The bullpen sucked. But it was a wide open game. The relievers were not really into the game.
But it is interesting to see Mármol fail again in the postseason. Hopefully, in a close game he will perform better.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope so
I advocated bringing in Marmol and Wood no matter what just to give them some work. At least Lou didn’t decide to “save” them for a game that matters again.
by wsunick on Oct 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the classics never go out of style :)
Seriously though… Blue Mike can be inflammatory at times, but there’s nothing wrong with this diary.
I think that we all share his frustrations this morning, and can all agree that these 2 games have been pathetic on all fronts.
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by bobby h on Oct 3, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This diary...
…is spot on.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. he was so "idiotic" that turned out he was on the money all along.
Keep drinking the blue Koolaide. I’m past that because I don’t accept failure as an option. I’m as angry as Lou is right now.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get lost.
I’m tired of Blue Mike haters. You sound like an idiot right now. You’re calling his views in this thread idiotic? I guess all Cub fans are idiotic then.
This guy could quote scripture or poetry and you’d call him out. You act is tired, you and all the other MDBNIU haters. Sometimes I disagree with him, but I find his opinion usually pretty rational.
Don’t like his threads…DON’T READ THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Oct 3, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed , why the personal attacks on this guy? Isn't he allowed to express his opinion without being attacked.
Seems that some of the regulars out here enjoy spewing venom just as much as anyone else, only difference is their venom is never directed at the Cubs but at other posters that they don’t agree with.
It’s like that High School clique that thinks they’re above everyone else, I’m sick of it.
Unless someone is using profanity or personally attacking someone on this board why not learn to be a little more tolerant instead of acting so juvenile.
By the way just because you have more posts than me is meaningless, so don’t go there.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 3, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 again
The guy didn’t say anything wrong. He was just discussing the negative aspects of the game. He didn’t attack anyone on this board, so why do some of you people feel the need to pointlessly attack him? Ridiculous.
I don’t agree with people on here sometimes, so what do I do? Either state my opinion in a civilized manner or I just don’t say anything at all. Not that hard.
by rambler19 on Oct 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
In this case, Mike happens to be 100% correct in his analysis. I know we’re all angry and frustrated and upset this morning — but let’s not attack each other.
Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 3, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, this is constantly happening and is not a new or recent occurance
Self-professed “good BCB’ers” in their clique will gang up and attack anyone others on this board that expresses an opinion different than theirs or that is critical of the Cubs. Sometimes they are instigating it themselves….. It gets really old and keeps me away from threads and this board. They sound very self righteous and act as if being critical of a Cubs player makes you less of a fan.
"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."
by Basman on Oct 3, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aaaaaaaand...what should Al do about this exactly?
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we ought to shoot the bastards.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know .... it just has been increasingly annoying and detracts from this website.
They act like the blog police and stifle opinions that don’t necessarily agree with theirs and they do it in a manner that just gets out of hand. Then on top of that, they act all self-righteous about it.
The ridicule that MDBNIU has gotten over the course of a season, for example, is out of line. He has mainly expressed his opinion and on some occasions been dead on but he continues to be this vilified poster b/c not everyone likes to hear what he says. He may have been out of line on some occasion and has had that pointed out but it gets old when he is always attacked every time he says something, even when it is a valid point. And he is just one example out of quite a few that I have seen that seem to involve the same people.
I guess there isn’t much more anyone can do but to point it out and hope it doesn’t continue to happen. I think most of us are here b/c we are Cubs fans and, yes, that does include MDBNIU despite perceptions by some. I just think it makes it so much less enjoyable and I don’t think we should be censoring opinions just b/c someone might not agree.
"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."
by Basman on Oct 3, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one except Al has the power to censor anyone's opinion.
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a democracy
for the most part (thanks to Al’s light hand) and if the community objects to the views or methodology of a poster then we have the right to respond. You reap what you sow and all that… Blue Mike is abrasive and we respond to the abrasiveness. He is often also correct. It’s the way in which he expresses himself that people find objectionable, myself often included.
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 3, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, keep responding to him when you don't like his posts.
What Basman objects to isn’t that but attempts by certain posters to censor MDBNIU.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 4, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, no one but Al can censor MDBNIU.
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Responding to him with that same abrasiveness only brings about even more negativity.
It seems to me that many out here have a very small tolerance for anyone that has an opposing view if it is in any way negative or even realistic.
We all love the Cubs but sometimes they just don’t play good baseball and we have the right to call them out on that just as much and we have the right to praise them when they play well.
I do however feel there’s no need for the profanity in either case.
Unfortunately life isn’t always rainbows and puppies.
I however do understand that if someone does nothing but complain about how bad the team is that they do reap what they sow, and it works the same way for the so called cheerleaders, if you can’t take off the rose colored glasses for a minute to see reality as it is, then you too are open to criticism.
Even Al who is almost always optimistic has begun to come to terms with the reality of this team not making it past the first round, let’s just hope for the best.
Why don’t we all try to be a little more tolerant of each others opinions.
Think of it this way , if we were all in a room together at a party, none of us would act this way just because someone had a different view of a particular subject.
But because this is the internet and none of us really know one another we feel it’s ok to be abrasive , I’m sure none of us would act this way in a public setting.
That said …GO CUBS!
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 4, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% true
What I get a kick out of is that they’re all just trying to “keep it positive”, and don’t see the negatives that come of their gang tackling. Someone the other day mentioned the Bill Burr stand up act about people fighting on the internet. He would love this place.
by TheRamZamDLEE on Oct 3, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know I certainly wouldn't be weeping in my Cheerios...
…if BlueMike decided to get lost. But, as MDBNIU fanposts go, I really can’t find much to disagree with here. Am I surprised that he’s taking this opportunity to garner attention by wallowing in the abject horror of the Cubs situation? No. But the fact is that the Cubs did fail in virtually every facet of the game last night (and the night before).
And, yes, as much as it pains me to say this, Kosuke Fukudome has officially become a huge problem. It’s just hard for me to imagine any hitter that looks as bad as he does right now bouncing back to any sort of favorable form next season. I’d, of course, love it if he proved me wrong. I guess we’ll find out eventually.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of the venom spewed at BlueMike has to do with
When he was being relentlessly negative in the season. Really, if there’s nothing negative to say, he’s rarely seen.
That said, you’re right. There’s nothing inherently wrong with this post. I don’t agree with everything he said, but a lot of it’s spot on.
by cocknfire on Oct 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those Mavericks championship rings are glittery...
..oh, wait……
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 3, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being fair,
the way basketball and it’s cap rules are set up limits the effectiveness a free spending owner can have on his team. If Cuban were to buy the Cubs, i believe he would pull out all the stops.
by dakoose on Oct 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes....he would....
but…as we can see…especially in baseball…money doesn’t always buy the rings..
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 3, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's
money spent foolishly doesn’t buy rings, or something like that. If a halfway decent GM like Billy Beane was given the money that the Yankees have the A’s might win the WS every year, or because of the way strange things happen in short series, at least be competitive.
On a slightly different note, one of the reasons I would love to have Cuban buy the team has is not really related to what players he would buy. Cubes appears to be a very open minded guy and would not have any problem hiring stat guys to help build his team, something most old time baseball insiders would never do. Not only would Cuban give the GM enough money to get the job done, he would bring in people with varying backgrounds to help assemble a team using both scouting and advanced statistical analysis.
Thats a lot of conjecture, but I believe it.
by dakoose on Oct 3, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And please explain to me how that would have changed the result of the last two games.
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by Al on Oct 3, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or at least buy us Mark Texiera for his cool $200 million asking price this winter
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already changed my signature an hour ago
Teixeira in 2009.
by airweino on Oct 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Cuban has won what? Only thing Cuban could do is spend more, and that aint the problem.
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by Grockcubs on Oct 3, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Did failure to spend money cause these two losses? No. Did failure to go out and get useful players during the season cause these two losses? No, in fact, most of us praised virtually everything Jim Hendry did this year, and justifiably so.
Mark Cuban couldn’t have done anything about this unless he was on the mound throwing two shutouts.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think Hendry tried. Unfortunately, this team is not built for the pressure and the grind of the postseason. It’s a bunch of talented but tense players and manager. Hendry got the money and spent it. Some can criticize who he spent the money on but there’s no denying that performance wise, Hendry improved this club 100%.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if he's willing
to eat soriano and fukudome’s contracts and let them hit the road
by cubsmania on Oct 3, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Mike
You have a right to be pissed at the way this team has played the last 2 games.
I think its an obvious choke job, this team just doesn’t have what it takes in the postseason.
I hope against hope that Harden and Lilly can have good games, but THEN we have to score more than 2 or 3 runs AND the bullpen needs to be good. So far not so good on the bullpen.
by jeff_pico on Oct 3, 2008 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1000
100% correct.
Every Cubs fan has a right to be pissed off by this team now. This is NOT the team we watched play and compete with fire all season long.
Teixeira in 2009.
by airweino on Oct 3, 2008 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope exists in the form of Rich Harden and Ted Lilly...
Harden is a dominant shutdown pitcher and Lilly has been masterful the second half and will have the benefit of facing a lefty dominated Dodger lineup in pitcher-friendly Dodger Stadium.
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I do have hope...
We have been absolutely belly-up other than Z’s pitching and DeRo’s offense but I still feel like we are the better team. Now we have no room for error but let’s go out and win a freakin’ game. I’m signing out here in WA state where it is only 10:30. See you all on Saturday and GO CUBS!
by wsunick on Oct 3, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
or actually +2, one for Harden and one for Lilly each.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm open to miracles.
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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just finished reading Sullivan's column in the tribune and it really pissed me off
…that Hendry is quoted so much regarding the fans and the silence as a possible reason for the losses. he sounds disappointed in the fans!!!!!!!! He ought to be disappointed with himself and his players first. The excuse making B.S. from this front office is relentless, no wonder Dusty was such an excuse making jackass here, Hendry leads by example.
In life, Hendry, when the opposition gets Manny, and your hampsters can’t hit, you should go do something else.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 3, 2008 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
You have to execute and make simple plays whether the crowd is slient, loud, drunk, angry, absent, wet, etc, etc….what in the world does the state of the crowd have to do with the players executing?
Maybe Hendry should hire cheerleaders and ‘instruct’ the fans on how to feel during the game, anything that will help.
by jeff_pico on Oct 3, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are a few candidates in other threads on this website who are apparently training already for that job. :-)
They’re experts at cheering and telling others how to feel during the game.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we're tired of jerk Cubs fans kicking us when we're already down
This message board is not your personal temper tantrum space.
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 3, 2008 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN
brother A FREAKING MEN
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
THE WAVE
to remind us how fans of other teams can win games, despite not caring about whats going on at all. -Rudey
DAMN YOU BASEBALL GODS..
by Rudey on Oct 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuses. Tonight the fans were noisy until the game got out of hand. That's normal.
The players and the organization need to look in the mirror if they want to identify those responsible for this major collapse. Don’t look at the stands. All they’ll find there is the disappointed look of the most loyal fans in baseball.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team needs:
1. A true leadoff hitter. Someone who can get on base and spark an offense.
2. A real RH power hitter.
3. A major league RF
4. A LH consistent hitter
5. Money players instead of choke artists.
Pick and choose who is expendable. These players are good in a long season where the pressure is less. But obviously, the last two years have proved that this team is not constructed for the postseason. And the worst part is that a couple of those chokers (LF and RF) are so overpaid that the team is left with no options to ubstitute them other than to eat their contracts the way the Yankees did with their injured pitchers (Pavano, Wright).
And I tip my imaginary hat to Mark De Rosa. That guy is a leader and didn’t choke even after he made a costly error. If the rest of the players played that way the story would be different.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They also need:
1.) A giant robotic bat that they can pull out of the dugout in order to register any hit necessary in any situation.
2.) A magic rabbit’s foot and a pound of fairy dust
3.) An unlimited source of money and magic playoff talent that they can dip into at all times.
4.) Nefi Perez
Alternative?
Produce with a team entirely capable of doing so.
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by TheTruth11 on Oct 3, 2008 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now the question is...
Do you actually want to start Nefi Perez, or is he just a sacrifice to the baseball gods?
by hmlee on Oct 3, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shortage Of Good LH Bats: Constant Problem
Since 1980, let’s go over a list of good Cubs left-handed hitters that have stayed with the Cubs for more than three seasons. The list includes Bill Buckner and Mark Grace and to a lesser degree, Leon Durham.
Henry Rodriguez had a couple of good Cubs years. Rafael Palmeiro had one good Cubs season as a full-time player in 1988 before being traded. They didn’t last long with the Cubs.
For the most part in recent history, the good Cubs hitters have been right-handed. Since 1980, you can go over Sandberg, Dawson, Sosa, A-Ram, and D-Lee, and others. The Cubs need to find some good left-handed bats. Really, Edmonds has done a good job for the Cubs this season, but he doesn’t have much time left in his major league career.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Oct 3, 2008 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've defended Hendry until now.
But it’s hard to keep doing it when the big players he chose choke two years in a row. I believe you keep your job based on performance. Hendry’s was good in the regular season the last two years. Hopefully a new owner gives him the resources to correct his mistakes.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry
coasted into the playoffs, just like the whole team has….
Teixeira in 2009.
by airweino on Oct 3, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS
Is getting one of the most dominant aces in the game coasting? What other suggestions would you have made? Who would you have gotten and how would you have done it?
Good luck
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 3, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Hendry did his job — all of us thought he did a GREAT job acquiring players and putting this team together. Now those players kicked away two games and replacing him would solve the problem?
I don’t understand that line of tihnking.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said, Hendry made mistakes (who doesn't?). But performance wise, I say he delivered.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry is not perfect...
…and he has made plenty of mistakes, and some of his mistakes are going to make things difficult in trying to improve the club unless the new owner gives him an open checkbook.
With that said, I don’t think Notradomus could have predicted these particular players would fold up like a tent in playoffs in 07 and 08. The reality is this, if the Cubs dont’ come back in this series, these playoff failures are going to have to be addressed in the offseason instead of petending like you had back to back flukes.
The problem is this, even without adding any players, the Cub’s payroll goes up signficantly next year because of escalating contracts. They also have a batch of no-trade clauses that would make changing the makeup of the club a challenge.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry is not a terrible GM
But I think we will continue to tread water with him, and then plunge.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the cubs and fuck david kaplan, this team will never win
Go bears and go hawks because the cubs will never win, pathetic bunch of losers
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by CubsBall2202 on Oct 3, 2008 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Assessment of Hendry
No question Jim Hendry has made some good moves. And he has also made some big moves. But most of his big moves have been less masterful and more simply outbidding of the competition. This includes Alfonso Soriano, Jason Marquis and Kosuke. Plus he handed out a number of backloaded contracts to these guys and several players who were already on the roster. Which at some point are going to come back and bite in the ass unless the new ownership group is willing to let the payroll live in the $150 million plus neighborhood.
So what does Hendry do this offseason? Fall into the trap of getting into a bidding war and overpaying Ryan Dempster who is coming off a career year that was peppered with healthy dose of good luck on his side? Or does he overpay for a Kerry Wood whose right arm could explode at any given moment?
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying we need a closer and a starter for next year, too?
Man, if you’re right, and you very well may be, the Cubs are in for a losing period until those big, fat, backloaded contracts expire.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regular season
This team is still set up to be a good regular season team. Marmol can close and Hendry can reconfigure the bullpen, we could have a better bullpen in 09. We had 5 good starters in 08, most teams don’t have that luxury and still can win their divison.
Its the fricken playoffs that they suck in!
by jeff_pico on Oct 3, 2008 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the time for post-season chatter
but – in response to the long “losing period” – this team has more going right for it than going wrong. A best of five is always a crap shoot because even the 2006 Cubs could win 3 straight from even Lou’s 117-win Mariners.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might be way off base...
considering our terrific pitching depth, but I would really like to have a #1 starter. Someone I desperately WANT to have the ball in a game 7. Who on our staff fits that description? Demp isn’t a legit #1, despite his great season. Z isn’t trusted. Harden can’t seem to last 6 innings, and it’s obviously not Lilly. I would say let Demp walk and actively pursue Peavy/Sabathia.
I love Kerry, but we do have Marmol waiting in the wings.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 3, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm #1 starter.....
rich harden?
rich harden maybe?
we should get that guy Rich Harden….oh wait we have him? great! there’s that #1 starter. If Harden has his A-game like he did many times this year (and was often taken out early), you better believe he will not be coming out until 110+, like in the game he K’d 11 (i think it was 11, at least 10) in 7 innings of ace dominance.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Oct 3, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100% regarding Hendry and outbidding...
…the temptation now will be for him to over pay for past performance. I don’t think he’s capable of re-shaping this roster unless he gets daddy warbucks owner who wants to keep him around. This isn’t an “I hate Hendry moment”, it’s more like when the Bulls fired Doug Collins.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe a White Sox fans....
are dreaming up stufff like this……Card fans kinda feel bout this like Cub fans do about the Sox…they don’t really care.
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 3, 2008 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Koske commit an error toningt?
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 3, 2008 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No- but his throw to the plate was pathetic.
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by D98 on Oct 3, 2008 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only has 1 less hit than the leadoff guy
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Oct 3, 2008 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was disgusted by the play on field until I read this quote by Hendry..
…“I guess people just came to the ballpark, and when it went south a little bit, they probably were looking for doom and gloom,” general manager Jim Hendry said.
That could not be farther from the truth, Wrigley was totally electric tonight, 180 degrees from Wednesday. This crowd stood by this team, even through the bad news bears 2nd inning. I am really disgusted by Hendrys comments right now..
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Oct 3, 2008 1:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is a great way to get fired
Blame the fans for the loss.
Those word could cost him his head or job.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 3, 2008 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you please...
…stop using the phrase “puckered up?”
Seriously. I’d never heard anybody use it before last week, and now I’ve encountered it from you at least a half-dozen times.
Can I buy you a thesaurus?
by sniffy the bee on Oct 3, 2008 6:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why? That's a perfect description...
Perhaps I just don’t spend as much time on this site as you do, and thus haven’t seen it as much, but that’s the exact phrase that I used last night to describe this team. They are so tight and puckered up that diamonds are falling out of their asses as they run out their soft ground balls and cans of corn. This team has looked absolutely pathetic, and I’m f*cking PISSED OFF about it.
If this is the best that this team can put out there in the post season, then it’s time to start cleaning house. Start with DP Lee; let Hoffpauir take the job. Get a real RF and send Kosuke back on the slow boat. And tell “Defeat Lou” that he is not the second coming and all that matters at this point is winning the damn World Series. If they fail to do that, THE SEASON IS A FAILURE. Plain and fricking simple!!
by FarNorthBurbs on Oct 3, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say the season is a failure , just the playoffs
It just seems that they can’t handle the pressures of the playoffs and the expectations that the fans have.
I’ve been a fan of this team for 42 years and this is really getting old, it’s literally making me sick.
How dare Jim Hendry blame the fans, when fans are paying big money to see these guys perform. they deserve better and don’t give me that crap about them sitting on their hands, the crowd was into it last night until the Cubs crapped the bed again.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 3, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not advancing past the first round for the second year in a row is regressing.
That’s a failure to improve.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but wouldn't making the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time in 100 years
be considered progress?
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by Trey2317 on Oct 3, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, and it would be foolish to ignore that accomplishment
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 3, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's peanuts, with all due respect.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 4, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is making the playoffs "peanuts?"
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 4, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not peanuts.
The more often a team makes the playoffs, the better its chances at going all the way. This team won the NL Central – that’s an accomplishment.
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evidently not to some.
Let's take three...starting today!!
by sue369 on Oct 4, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but, if this team doesn’t win anything (not looking very promising) they will be lumped in with all the rest. That nightmarish 2nd inning will just be another chance for people to bring curses, Bartman and all the rest. If they get bounced like this, that NL Central title means nothing, to me anyhow.
by TheRamZamDLEE on Oct 4, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IN DEFENSE OF HENDRY AND LOU
I have none and rest…
by cubs north on Oct 3, 2008 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The players
That is where the blame lands. Your whole infield makes an error, Dome is lost, Sori is lost, the bullpen can’t get through an inning without giving up a run, could go on and on.
This team in soft in the belly except DeRo and Edmonds.
And hey Jimbo Hendry, you say the fans are waiting to have something go wrong, how about the players, they are so tight they need an oil can in between innings.
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by Grockcubs on Oct 3, 2008 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumbfounded and extraordinarily disappointed by Hendry's remarks about the fans
How can Hendry stoop to such low excuse making to take a shot at the Wrigley Field crowd? Holy cow. If this team actually had a real owner right now and I was his boss then Hendry would be standing in front of my desk right now and be read the riot act. If my emotions on this subject had not cooled down a bit I probably would even fire him on the spot.
Is this what the Cub organization is reduced to? Total and complete failure on their part once again and they are looking for rationalizations and excuses and stoop to calling out the fans?
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How do you know Hendry's not in Crane Kenney's office this morning having exactly that happen?
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by Al on Oct 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda reminds me...
…of what Houston was crying about not too long ago.
Really dissappointed in Hendry if he did that. He of all people should have been able to watch the games and come up with the only objective conclusion you can – the players have failed big time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he insulating the team?
I think Hendry is simply trying to take the focus and pressure off of the team. He wants you to talk about his reaction to try and buy some time for his players to regroup before Saturday’s game.
by funblvble on Oct 3, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
…a smart GM insulates his team by talking about how the crowd didn’t help his team.
That is a lame excuse and if he said it, it was a mistake, but I am sure was out of frustration on how badly the team has performed.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a low blow and a stretch to blame the fans, of all people
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 3, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. The only constant positive dynamic since 1908 has been the loyalty of the fans. wihthout that loyalty, the team would probably have ended up in El Paso Texas as the El Passo Torreodoresss
and draw about 100000 fans per year. The current and past owners, gMs, managers, and players fielded teams that should at least be competitive and predictable. Law of large groups and lengthy time periods would suggest that every so many years any team in this organization should win the championship and that generally happens with every franchise that has ever been a member. I’ve not run statistical probablility on the 100 year drougnt but I am becoming of the opinion that it is supernatural in nature, for some unfathomable reason, and that is simply a law of physics or evolution or something that the Chicago National League Ball Club will never again participate in the crowning baseball competitive event know as the World series.
I don’t believe in the Billy Goat curse or Babe calling his shot or the Bartman incident was proximate cause to anything or that a black cat in NY meant a damn thing. But there is something that is supernatural obtaining here in CubbieLand that is constant and final. Whatever it is, that conciousness or religious rule or thousand sequence random number generator in the sky that deterimes this thing does not have a Cub WS in its pool of possibilitis. Period. Let’s start a futures security market where people can trade options as to what year Chi will win a WS. when free market common sense gets in involved with a profit motive I think we will see that no one will invest in the probablility of the Cubs ever being in it letting alone winning it.
There has to be a higher order driven reason for what we experience as cubs fans becuase it is so unique in human history. Homeric Epic Sports Quest for the Holy Grail that can never be accomplished becasues we aeren’t worthy enough as fans to see into the clear light of what buddhists call the bardo state between idendities.
Sorry for the rambling approach; I’ve had some creative assistance from Makers Mark. bottom line is I now truly believe that we’ll never see what we all desperately want to see in our lifetime and we just need to let it go, Not going to happen the way the universe is currently wired. So I am letting go from that desire, anticipation, expectation.entitilement. Aint gonna happen so forgettaboutit. We are in baseball purgatory for some reason that we didn’t cause and it will take some intrevention beyond our own capabilities to calibrate us with the rest of the major league teams who can at lest theoretically win a WC. Maybe it’s updating our emotional operating system to windows Vista or something from Apple.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 3, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is a wreck
and needs to be blown up this offseason starting Sunday!
Look around the diamond…..
Soriano= MBDNIU is right….a guess hitting hack who can’t perform in the clutch
Fukudome= a monumental blunder………go home Kosuke…..it’s an atrocity to have him in the lineup now!
Theriot= an average 2B at best who’s playing SS
We have no CF ffor next year
DLEE…..needs to retire……he’s done!
Folks………..97 wins means exactly shit when you perform like this when it counts
Bottom line is…….BEING A FAN OF THIS TEAM IS A COLLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!
by plenz on Oct 3, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go the F*&^ Away!
I know what a fan is. You, sir or madam, are no fan of the Cubs. Please leave.
I want my Macias!
by wombat on Oct 3, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a fan?
Well asshole…………I guess watching every game all season…wearing the colors and getting my hopes up year after year doesn’t qualify me as a fan. Peoples hearts are breaking here yet some of you choose to blindly follow and support them no matter what they show on the field. I imagine you would be one of the morons still sitting in the park standing and applauding when the Cubs score a meaningless run or 2 in a 10-0 blowout in the 8th or ninth inning. I stand by my criticism of each player mentioned…….2 years in a row of postseason disaster is enough of a sample to declare this thing needs to be blown up! I imagine also you were on of the idiots in RF bowing to Sosa in his last years with the team. You go away dude!
by plenz on Oct 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse. Thank God you are not a Mets fan.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
By the way………….this non fan here is still f$%#ing dumb enough to think Harden can win game 3 and give us a chance. I’m telling you……..this is a sickness! At least I have coverage for the therapy sessions I’ll need after witnessing this.
by plenz on Oct 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, except for the last line (for now)
I actually agree with this post. Something needs to change, because this does not happen two years in a row by accident. Something is WRONG. Therefore, CHANGE is required.
by FarNorthBurbs on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get out
You are not welcome here
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are welcome here, at least by me...
There are legitimate concerns expressed in this post. This is a crushing defeat and a devastating loss for the organization. Apparently others here think that criticism of this team makes one an un-fan. I’d prefer no profanity but there’s nothing wrong with this post.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TY for that
and I’ll try to refrain from the profanity
by plenz on Oct 3, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right and horribly wrong...
Theriot, K-Fuk- Right.
Lee, Soriano, Fan of this team- Wrong.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, who was stranded ins scoring position in the first inning?
If you honestly think that Soriano was the reason we lost this game, well…
It speaks for itself, I guess
by cocknfire on Oct 3, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All it takes is 3
breaking balls 3 feet outside in the dirt to strike out soriano in the post season. He stands no chance against good pitching and his career postseason numbers show that.
by cubsmania on Oct 3, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All opinions are welsome here
one kool aid drinker does not speak for entire site or for Al. I don thikn we a CF for next year though, and his name is Pie.
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by DC Cubbie on Oct 3, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tommorow
Theriot SS
Fontenot 2B
DeRosa 1B…….yes 1B
Ramirez 3B
Soto C
Edmonds CF
Soriano LF
Johnson RF
Harden P
Yes…….Lee needs to be benched
by plenz on Oct 3, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I take that back. My apologies.
No need to let the hateful drivel of these Posts absorb me…
Rephrase: I disagree strongly with your lineup and the fact that Derrek Lee needs to be benched. I don’t understand all the hatred towards Lee. He had a bad error and one DP. He’s had a few hits and hasn’t had a bad series. He’s past his prime and maybe shouldn’t be a 3 hitter, but he’s still a quality 1B and not our biggest problem, by any means.
Furthermore, there won’t be a roster shakeup. It’s too late for that. We won 97 games as it is…we have no choice but to hope it’ll turn around.
Only change will probably be K-Fuk sitting.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is
that if there’s one pitcher Fukudome should be starting against, it’s Kuroda.
In defense of Fukudome (and this is a defense my heart’s not really in), the strikes called against him in every AB I was able to watch closely were a big factor against him. Several bad calls either got him out or set him up to swing at another bad pitch.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's little defense of Fuk at this point...
but it’s not like this deficit is on his shoulders.
I just don’t understand, and I’ve said this in other threads, how Lou can lose trust in him down the stretch and start benching him (before we clinched) consistently and then all of the sudden change his mind once the playoffs come around. I’d be just as surprised to see him trot out Eyre the past two days. And he’s not on the team. I’m confused, I guess.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 3, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Either you believe Dome can play and you find a way to get him back to being a productive player or you don’t believe it and you DON’T PLAY HIM.
For Lou to act like he never believed in Dome and ignore the fact that HE WROTE THE LINEUP CARD is pathetic. It’s babyish. Kuroda is the one pitcher here Dome knows better than Fontenot or Johnson. Now isn’t the time to bench him if you think he should be starting in the playoffs AT ALL.
I don’t know what to make of Dome’s career going forward, but I do know that Dome is not the only hitter who started hot, went cold, and couldn’t get things turned around again.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 3, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is no longer a good hitting 1B
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by D98 on Oct 4, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is still a solid hitter...
…he just is not a slugger, and should not be in the top slugging positions (3 or 4).
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 4, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...for a second baseman.
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by D98 on Oct 4, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
That statement makes zero sense and is completely wrong.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 4, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on his offensive statistics.
He is no longer above average for a starting 1B, and he’s trending downward pretty steeply. A .462 slugging percentage is not going to get it done, especially considering the rather massive investment the Cubs have made in him.
We all love Derrek Lee, but it’s pretty clear that this isn’t going to work out. The Cubs can’t afford to get middle-infielder production out of a corner-infield spot, especially if we’re going to get absolutely zero out of RF.
Lee finished the year as the worst offensive 1B in the division, and it wasn’t particularly close in any case except LaRoche, who was about 10% better. That’s 5 superior starting first basemen. Then in the East, we saw Howard & Delgado, and in the West, Gonzalez. For 2008, Lee ranked as, at best, the 9th best offensive 1B.
In the AL, we have Youkilis, Pena, Giambi, Morneau, Cabrera, Teixiera, and almost even Chris Davis, who had better rates and almost equal counting stats in about half the games. So we’re looking at Derrek Lee at somewhere between 14-16th among first basemen, and mired in with a pretty big group which includes Konerko (who at least hit at the end of the year), Davis, Loney, and so on.
A 110 OPS+, based almost entirely on a good OBP but coupled with 26 GIDP, is a long way from “good” for a first baseman. There’s gonna come a time when the team is gonna need some power, and Lee is no longer capable of providing it.
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by D98 on Oct 6, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
This post is 100% correct. The Cubs simply didn’t execute the fundamentals of the game. And when I say the Cubs, I mean the players. There is nothing a manager can do to prevent critical errors like the ones that happened in the infield last night.
This game is absolutely on the players. Zambrano is the only one who can’t be blamed. He pitched great. It was obvious that he was very irritated by the play behind him, but that was the best job he has ever done keeping himself composed. Unfortunately, 1 out of 9 players being composed isn’t going to help a whole lot.
by rambler19 on Oct 3, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Z had good stuff last night. The errors made by the infield in the 2nd were the reason we lost. I was rather impressed with how Z kept his emotions under control while everything was falling apart around him.
by deutschegirl67 on Oct 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next scout should take only players....
who can play under huge huge huge pressure of the fans at Wrigley. it was the Cubs who blew these two games…. but it is the fans.. yes including the BCB fans… who have caused this train to wreck , over and over and over again!
Lou said it lound and clear.. “lighten up!” its just a game, entertainment… take it easy! Think do or die, and you will surely die. Who can handle such pressure. no one. Not Derosa, not Lee, not ramirez, not dempster, not theriot, not wood… no one.
If you want this team to win in October, then get some other hobbies people!
by BCB Vienna on Oct 3, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're kidding
I understand there are nerves that come into play during the postseason, but these guys are professionals (though they didn’t look like it last night). They should be able to win baseball games under pressure.
by rambler19 on Oct 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see it in Fonz's eyes
He needs to be having fun to be productive. No fun. No hits. Somebody go out and get this guy drunk tonight and he’ll be too hung-over to be nervous in LA. There is a great story of Packer’s receiver Max McGee who was the first MVP of the Super Bowl. He didn’t think he was going to play at all so he tied one on getting in around sunrise. Sure enough one of the first plays of the game the starter gets hurt. Max has to play the whole game hung-over, puking, the whole thing. But he played great and the Packers won.
So buy Fonz a dozen or so of his favorite beverage and we’ll be fine.
Dome will be better next season. He is a true pro. With some support he will go back to work and come back strong next year.
I want my Macias!
by wombat on Oct 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck support, Dome better do his work one way or the other. He is getting paid over 10 mil a year
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Oct 3, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He better do his
work one way or the other or what? What the hell are you or any of us going to do about it? You think he’s happy with his results? He knows he has work to do. He’s done for this season and I’m betting he and the coaches will work hard in the off season to get him to where he needs to be some next spring.
Let's take three...starting today!!
by sue369 on Oct 4, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Those are excuses for sub-par performance, IMO. Entertainment? WRONG. IT is the pinnacle of professional sports. Perform or go the F home.
by FarNorthBurbs on Oct 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious?
The fans are not the problem… the players are!
Players get paid to play the game, they HAVE TO execute. they didn’t execute… they totally CHOKED!
Sure it is entertainment… but guess what? I WASN’T ENTERTAINED!!!!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then hire guys who not only are good players but can handle the pressure of living among those fans every day.
Obviously the present group of players cannot. I understand there’s more pressure around these players than those in Tampa Bay, to name an example. These Cubs players are told they have to win every day, at all times, wherever they go in the city. But we need players who can handle that pressure.
You know how it’s said that not everyone can play in New York? Well, not everyone can play for the Cubs, either. The mental toughness is an additional factor to consider when hiring someone to play for the Cubs. That’s the lesson of the past two years.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So should the Cubs invent some sort of battery of psychological tests?
How exactly would they go about hiring good players who can also handle the pressure?
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Millar is nearing washed up status.
So is Johnny Damon. So I don’t think bringing back ‘The Idiots’ is the way to go…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 3, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW...just WOW....
Is this the same set of people that applauded Z’s no-hitter, Geo’s heroics in the bottom of the ninth, JEdmonds diving catches, Reed’s “I-don’t-care-about-my-body” catch, or Dempster’s mastery? IF the season ends on Saturday, remember the great plays, the great games, the great performances, the fact that there is no New York team in the playoffs.
Geez, lighten up.
Football and basketball are just things to do between baseball seasons.
by MetsSuck on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think people had higher expectations
And I can’t blame them. This may be the best Cubs team we have seen in our lifetime. This is especially true for the younger crowd around here, including myself. it’s hard not to want them to go all the way and be disappointed if they don’t.
I will tell you this though. I’m not giving up on them until they have lost this series, the next series, or the world series. I will cheer for them to come back, and if they don’t, they don’t.
by rambler19 on Oct 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all wiill cheer.
And we recognize what these players achieved. But they choked. That’s undeniable and needs to be addressed or we will find ourselves stuck in this position every year.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...to an extent.
I’m not at all surprised by all the vitriol being spewed about BCB today. And I expected to see much more of it throughout the day and following whichever of the next three games the Cubs lose. This has been an epic fail beyond all but our worst nightmares.
That said, I’m already mentally preparing myself to just let go, enjoy the rest of the playoffs for what their worth and, yes, look back on what was undoubtedly the best regular season I’ve ever enjoyed as a Cubs fan. I can’t help thinking that there are regular season champions and there are postseason champions. It appears our beloved 2008 Chicago Cubs are only the former.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1/2
Sort of agree… IF the season ends Saturday or Sunday or any other time prior to 11 more wins, it doesn’t change the past 6 months. Prior to now this has been a great season, with great memories. I’ve been a lifelong fan and have never liked a team more than this one. I have never had more fun or a more enjoyable season. I’ve had a blast watching this team, and being able to share it with fellow Cubs fans — both on BCB and in RL.
That said, that doesn’t make this any easier to swallow. These losses are still heartbreaking, and that has been accentuated by what a poor showing there has been. I don’t think that it takes anything away from this team or this season to say just how disappointed we all are this morning.
We all (rightfully) expected much more this year. There was something different about this team. Unfortunately, that doesn’t appear to have been enough.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
by bobby h on Oct 3, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Change your signature name
before you tell others to lighten up.
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Oct 3, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we please stop using the excuse of the
players being under too much pressure? All eight teams in this tournament are under the same amount of pressure. If you lose three games, you are out. Any additional pressure is self-induced. Good players threive under pressure situations and rise above it. Weak players are over come by the moment and allow it to affect their performance. Which catagory does this team fall into?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The disturbing thing is they didn't play like this until the playoffs, how else do you explain how they've played?
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually, they played very much like this...
…coming out of the All-Star Break (though the pitching was better) and in early September (uh, actually, I think the pitching was better then, too). Hm, maybe you’re right, after all.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the team actually peaked in June. Their best baseball seems
to be way behind them now.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won 9 of 11...
From Sept. 10th through the 22nd, since then it’s been uninspired garbage.
"From now on I don't want to hear about Fukudome, whether he'll play or not. I'll play Fontenot or Reed Johnson or someone, and that's the end of that."
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
winning 9 of 11 huh......9...11...in september...
we should have known this was going to happen.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 3, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God!
George Bush hates Cub people.
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's an AL guy.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 3, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree...
…that all teams are under the same amount of pressure. Circumstances and expectations can clearly elevate pressure for certain teams and the Cubs are constantly reminded that they need to break the 100 year curse.
With this said, some players don’t respond well in certain cirumstances even though they are proffesionals and have played for many years. There is a reason they have played this poorly when it matters most, and it would behoove them to figure out why for future reference.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
There are few cities where players are constantly reminded that the faith of a city is in their hands. They are reminded every day, at every hour, wherever they go in Chicago. The lesson of these past two years is that it’s not enough just to be talented. A player has to have the mental makeshift, the toughness, to handle that pressure and relax.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Failure in EVERY spot?
I dunno. Felix Pie had a good AB last night. :)
I kid, I kid.
More seriously – I didn’t expect us to be able to take two from Lowe and I didn’t expect us to be able to beat Billingsley with a worn-down Zambrano. So, really, we’re still where many people predicted pre-series, that it would take 5 to win, that the Cubs would lose to Billingsley, and that Lowe wouldn’t lose twice. I like the Harden and Lilly matchups and I like the odds that Dempster can come back and win one. We’ll see.
The Dodgers have lost 3 in a row nearly a dozen times in 2008. The Cubs lost three in a row only 6 times. I still say this series is going to 5.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 3, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the 100 year cuse business is baloney. Good players
have the ability to remove external clutter from their minds and focus on the task at hand. To say that there is more pressure on the Cubs players than there is on the Dodgers is ludacrous. It’s an excuse for not executing. What was our excuse last year, the 99 year curce? Give me a break. This team needs a leader who will stand up and not let the team crumble when crunch time comes. That is what this team is missing.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if the 25-man roster...
…was made up of vampires who’d been playing on this team since 1908, I could see the 100-year drought being a factor. Otherwise, the players simply have to play at their highest levels at this time of year and, almost to a man, the Cubs have failed to do so.
I also believe that the Dodgers aren’t being given much credit around here. They are turning the Cubs into roadkill like a garbage truck running down a frantic squirrel – with Joe Torre at the wheel, their starting pitchers taking turns riding shotgun and Manny hanging onto the back and enjoying the ride.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good description. Manny is making this team look like a bunch of
little leaguers. The one failing I have with Lou is ensuring that his team is playing it’s best baseball at the right time. It doesn’t do a lot of good to peak in June. This pattern of playing good in the middle of the season and crumbling during the playoffs seems to be a consistant trait of Cub teams. The names have changed but the results are the same. It’s getting pretty tiring and I, for one, could do without labels like “Best Team in Baseball” and “A Lock for the World Series”. Until a Cub team actually does something, I would prefer to be left alone and not garner so much attention.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The curse is baloney yes...
…but the constant reminders of it to the players and putting the burden on them to break that is real. I am not saying it is the reason this team is crapping all over itself, but there is more pressure playing with this team.
With this said, the pressure is probably not anymore than playing with the Red Sox or Yankees. In fact, could you imagine what the pressure was like playing on some of those Yankee teams when the owner was constantly calling out players, the manager and adding on the NY fans and media? Piniella went through this as a player and a manager, which is probably why he is reaching a boiling point in watching some of his players crawl into a hole when it counts the most.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It just seems like a ready-made excuse to
play like shit. Kind of ground hog day vibe. The national media is having a field day with this team. They are all saying “Of course they’re crapping their collective pants, they’re suppose to, they’re the Cubs!”.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
and balanced (at a time where most of us are quite a bit unbalanced).
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 3, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Read the book “The Bronx Zoo” authored by Sparkly Lyle in 1978 to gain light on the extreme pressure those Yankee teams of the late 70’s felt to win. Teams that included Lou Piniella as player.
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, the media never ever ever stops talking about it....
…constant questions about a curses and goats (which is so freaking absurd, I mean go do your job and report something that is real)
The pressure mounts and everyone tightens up big time and that is what we have watched the last two days.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Oct 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are all acting like we're in trouble or something....sheesh.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we got em right where we want em!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have pic of Leslie Nielson's nose growing during that scene in Airplane??
“Everything is just fine, the pilot has everything in fine order…”
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by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The root question is why is this team always tight in the playoffs??
Not just one or two guys but almost everybody?? The argument has been made and I have bought into it that the coaches and players are part of this team now and therefore aren’t accountable for the legacy of losing over the past 100 years. So if that’s true (and I believe it is) then why still can’t this team just go out there and play baseball two years in a row?? It’s not like they operate under a manager who is a dictator and places extreme pressure. Heck, we used to have Mr. Players Manager in Dusty and it was still the same result.
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's...
…the 64 billion dollar question.
As I mentioned in another thread, I firmly believe there is more pressure playing with the Cubs. The pressure is incremental to players that play for teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and even the Mets. Higher expectations, media, fans and trying to break long playoff droughts are the reason. These are all real issues these teams have to deal with on a day to day basis.
For this reason, I believe the makeup of your team has to be a bit more ’special" to get over that hump of playing in a more pressure packed environment. When the Red Sox finally broke through in 04, they had a unique group of players and they were able to deal with the added pressure. Also, the Red Sox had a history of much more dissappointment (at least with playoff failures) than the Cubs, and it took that certain group of players to get it done.
I have serious doubts as to whether they have the right mix of players to deal with the pressure, once the playoffs begin.
To quote a coach who accomplished one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of sports – Herb Brooks, when he was assembling the roster for the 1980 Olympic Hockey team with Assistant coach Craig Patrick after Patrick was questioning his selection of certain playes:
“I’m not looking for the best players Craig, I’m look for the right ones”
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I agree...
"I’m not looking for the best players Craig, I’m look for the right ones"
—-
But see that becomes the circular and antagonistic argument in these parts. Case in point is Alfonso Soriano. To me he is a guess hitting hack and personal stats whore who Jim Hendry ridiculously overpaid to acquire. This guy disappears for long stretches, is prone to weeks on end of stupid ball and two years in a row does nothing in the playoffs. But the counterreaction is that Soriano is quote “one of the best weapons in baseball,” yada yada yada. Another case is tearing apart the value of Derrek Lee. Or Kerry Wood.
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is a very good player...
…but you have to know what you are getting when you sign someone.
I was for taking him out of the leadoff spot for a long time, and finally gave up on it when the team appeared to be performing well with him in that role. But, here is the rub, in a short series against good pitching, you run the probability that he is going to get shut down, and you take away the important role of a leadoff guy who you want to be able to get on base and create pressure for the defense and pitcher.
If the Cubs fail to come back, I will be shocked if Soriano is the leadoff man going into 09. Clearly, they tried to get Roberts this year, so they already made an effort to get another leadoff guy.
With all this said, if this playoff dissaster continues, there issues are deeper than Soriano and things will need to be shook up a bit and I believe Piniella will insist upon that.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
We could excuse Soriano leading off when the bottom part of the lineup was constantly on base for him. Now that they aren’t, Soriano is exposed. He can’t spark this team early, either. Even yesterday when he lined a pitcher’s mistake to LF, he couldn’t score. In fact, he only advanced through the bases thanks to the opposing pitcher’s wildness.
But Soriano’s OBP is horrible to start anything going on a consistent basis. This team needs a legitimate leadoff hitter who can jumpstart the offense.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd move Alfonso Soriano to the # 3 hole next year, but Lou doesn't agree with that
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that would depend...
…if they can get a “good” leadoff man.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work MDBNIU
I don’t know if it’s been discussed, but you made SI
by brewfan2 on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap.
I’m closing in on 14,000 comments and can’t even make Streetwise. The terrorists really are winning.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
....milk just came out of nose
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is the greatest thing I have seen all week. Very hilarious.
by rambler19 on Oct 3, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Oct 3, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is really cool
Congrats man
by TheRamZamDLEE on Oct 3, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where are
all the morons who didn’t want Jim Edmonds by the way? The only guy along with Dero who has performed like a professional in this series
by plenz on Oct 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think most of those morons have already eaten crow...
…and owned up to their mistake 10 times over. (I know I have.) Should I use the BCB search function to see what you had to say about it?
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 3, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I will.
As soon as I go through the latest 10 fanposts.
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful, I'm still chewing...
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 3, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most disappointing Cub in a sea of misery...
My vote would have to go to Aramis Ramirez. He is far and away the most valuable member of the Cub offense the past several years. So what keeps happening in the playoffs? Why can’t he have a little Manny in him?
Alfonso Soriano? I resigned myself long ago to the streakiness and often times uselessness of Soriano so he doesn’t get most disappointing vote.
Derrek Lee? He has never been a real baseball star of this team and has played like he is in his 40’s the past season and a half. So he can’t get the most disappointing vote.
Mark DeRosa? He still remains my regular season MVP and I guess he should get points for being the one Cub who has hit. His fielding made me gag the past two nights however and it still pisses me off to no end why he wasn’t in right field with Mike Fontenot at 2nd base.
Geovany Soto? Hard to bring withering criticism on a rookie who is banged up and whose main job is catching.
Ryan Theriot? The ignitor and over-achiever, but not a guy you expect to carry in the playoffs.
Jim Edmonds? Actually gets my vote for best effort in these playoffs. One of the few Cubs who actually looks like he belongs in the playoffs.
Ryan Dempster? Career year and beneficiary of luck in 2008, so I wasn’t expecting dominant start on Wednesday.
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 3, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds...
He honestly looks shocked at what’s happening around him. Here are a bunch of guys that he went to battle with for half the summer, just withering under this pressure.
"From now on I don't want to hear about Fukudome, whether he'll play or not. I'll play Fontenot or Reed Johnson or someone, and that's the end of that."
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 3, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame him...
…the guy is the most battle tested of anyone on the roster, and I am sure he is miffed watching the performances around him.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimbo hit, what, at least three towering drives to center during the last two games...
…and he just couldn’t get any of them to leave the ballpark. Not blaming him – just saying he’s had some really crappy luck.
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 3, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ball in game one that bounced on the track
against the wall and back over his head looked like a crazy fighting move from the matrix.
His luck has been awful.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Oct 3, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all honesty...
The Dodgers were the only team I thought posed a real threat to the Cubs.
The Cubs’ dormant offense + the Dodgers great pitching sure as hell isn’t a recipe for getting out of this big rut we’ve been in.
Still, I had such high hopes for this team. I’m at a complete loss for words.
It wasn’t supposed to be this way.
p.s. Derrek Lee isn’t a no. 3 hitter anymore.
DeRosa: And who is the best and who is the worst card player?
Dempster: I think the best is yourself. [ . . .] I think the worst player is D-Lee. I think he bets every time just to bet.
by EJThunder on Oct 3, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's just as much a no. 3 hitter as Soriano is a leadoff hitter....
and Lilly still has to bat ninth.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 3, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou should start Lilly on Saturday
and bat him 8th.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 4, 2008 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of that happens tomorrow
and the rest of the playoffs, I think we’re all agreed that there are going to be some long and potentially painful discussions about personnel over the winter.
We have a ton of money invested in Sori, DLee and Dome, Dempster will likely command a large salary, and, as has been pointed out, either no center fielder, or with Pie, one who is still uncertain.
What do you suggest? You can’t cut free these contracts. And while I hope that Dome can learn to hit a slider at this level, Sori is who he is. DLee is on the downside of his career. Who is going to take them?
I understand the pressure to lock up some guys long term to get them, but we’re seeing the downside now.
by chitownhawkeye on Oct 3, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've said this...
…for almost a year now. If this club doesn’t win a championship and it is apparant areas need to be shored up, it will require the new owner getting up to 140-150 mil in payroll – because of the backloaded deals. The other issue is this, they also have many guys with no trade clauses and that can really limit your ability to trade guys if necessary.
Either way, it is going to be an interesting offseason.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 3, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup screams for two things...a primetime left-handed run producer and a leadoff solution that enables/forces Soriano down in the lineup
Will either thing happen? I very much doubt it. Cubs are going to live in denial about Derrek Lee, so 1st base therefore won’t be where a left-handed run producer is going to play. They’re also going to live in denial about the guess hitting hack who has 6 years and a $100 million left on his contract. I see no chance he gets moved in the lineup.
There are no more excuses, rationalizations, analysis on paper, extrapolation of regular season performance, examination of the statute of limitations on certain curses, whatever...
by MDBNIU on Oct 4, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%...
…that those two things would vastly improve the lineup.
Regarding moving Soriano, they already tried to get Roberts, so you know they would move him if they got a real leadoff man. With Lee, I could see Lou moving him to 5 or 6 and Derrek taking it well.
It really all depends on whats available and how much they can run up the salaries to.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 4, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK....
Let Trade Dlee to the O’s for Brian Roberts.
Sign Teixeira at 100 Million for 6 years
Sign K-Rod for 100 Million for 6 years
Sign Brian Fuentes for 36 million for 3 years
Resign Edmond and RJohnson
Then you are looking at this:
Line up:
Roberts 2b
DeRo rf
Amram 3b
Tex 1b
Sori lf
Edmonds cf
Soto c
Theriot ss
Staff
Z
Harden
Dempster
Lilly
Marquis
Closer: K-Rod
Pen:
Wood
Marmol
Fuentes
Gaudian
Marshall
Deep pen to keep the starts fresh. More than enough offense and enough speed to kill.
Oh and a 200 million dollar pay roll but Oh well
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 4, 2008 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
then the Cubs become the Yankees – throwing money out and hoping things like ‘team chemistry’ work themselves out.
Plus, there’s no guarantees Texeira hits in the playoffs, or Brian Roberts does either. So what then?
Hendry’s signing of Soriano, while expensive, came after one of the Cubs’ worst years in recent memory and was done in part to send a sign to fans that the organization was going to spend money to win.
But to just throw money at problems can be problematic, and attempting to sign Texeira, Rodriguez and Fuentes would be loading the team down with long-term contracts for the forseeable future.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 4, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further...
… “trading Lee to the O’s for Roberts” sounds like another one of these fantasy baseball deals that people here think can be made with a couple of mouse clicks.
Real life doesn’t work that way. Why would the Orioles want Derrek Lee?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 4, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I compeletely agree
I forgot to include this:

Sorry for any confusion
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 4, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can do with a down hill Derrek Lee.
He’s still better than many alternatives out there. Just take him out of the 3 hole.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 4, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want Soriano from day one...
MDBNIU, I agree with about everything you said. I was reflecting on past moves in the Cubs organization and thought of one name: Carlos Beltran.
In 2005, we had a legitimate chance of getting this guy for a bit cheaper than what we spent on Soriano. I’m not too aware of his numbers specifically, I do know that he’s maintained good home run numbers, RBI totals, and batting averages since signing with New York. Not to mention, the guy has been a monster in his postseason appearances. Now, I don’t know who’d be playing everyday left field (Reed Johnson, maybe?), but we’d have an everyday center fielder in Beltran. Big mistake letting this guy slip through our fingers, IMO.
Does he give us a quality lead-off hitter? Absolutely not. But neither does Soriano, so what difference does it make. I read the phrase “hack who makes guess hits” about him and couldn’t agree more. Beltran does strikeout a bit, but at least he still manages to put up quality numbers and come through under pressure. I seriously believe Beltran may have made a different kind of impact over the one of Soriano. A more positive one, really. What do I know, right? Just an observation. I’d still be game for trading Soriano for Beltran this offseason. Hell, re-sign Reed and make him your everyday left fielder, and he’d make a great #2 hitter. Not bad, I’d say.
Next up: Trade D-Lee. Where does he go? Baltimore, hands down. Why? Pick up Brian Roberts. I was against this deal before, VERY against this deal, because it would limit DeRosa’s playing time. Now I think they’d be able to play both, possibly moving DeRo to right and having Fontenot take over at short (give it a shot, worked with Theriot, I’d say). Theriot assumes the role of Ronny Cedeno.
Next up: What do we do at first? Sign Mark Teixeira. How much? Who cares? He’s young, he’s a switch hitter, he gives a quality bat in the lineup and a nice RBI man. Not much more can be said there.
Next up: Right field? Trade Kosuke for young talent, I really don’t care where he goes. We’re gonna need the talent someday, and his contract would be good for that. I don’t see why not.
Next up: Starting pitching? Re-sign Dempster and hold the core. Shop Marquis around for young talent, a bench player, or relief pitching. SOMEONE will take him. Experiment with either Samardzija or Rich Hill again in Spring Training to assume the role as the fifth starter. It’s risky, but sometimes you gotta take those risks to succeed.
Next up: Bullpen? I’d rather not have Wood back, he hasn’t impressed me as much as he has most of Cubs Nation this year. I’m just not convinced. Ideally you sign K-Rod, but if you sign Tex you’re already in the hole and can’t afford too much beyond that, and K-Rod would probably ask for a huge sum of money. Look out for a guy like Brian Fuentes or David Weathers (yes, he’s old, but I still think he could get the job done. Call me crazy, JMO).
Ideally, this is what my 2009 Cubs roster would look like. Bear in mind I expect it to look nothing like this:
2B – Brian Roberts
LF – Reed Johnson
CF – Carlos Beltran
3B – Aramis Ramirez
1B – Mark Teixeira
C – Geovany Soto
2B – Mark DeRosa
SS – Mike Fontenot
Starting Pitchers:
Zambrano
Dempster
Harden
Lilly
Samardzija / Hill
Relief Pitchers:
Closer: Carlos Marmol (take the chance)
Set-Up: Brian Fuentes
Weathers
Marshall
Guzman
A couple more experienced relievers would do the trick
Call me crazy, like I said, just rambling and thinking outloud, is all. It’s late and I need some sleep…
by AeroZach on Oct 4, 2008 2:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your premise falls down right here...
… why on Earth would the Mets trade Beltran for Soriano?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 4, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't...
Like I said, keep in mind I wouldn’t expect that to happen at all. Ideally that’s what my 2009 lineup would look like, even though there’s probably a very minimal chance of that happening.
by AeroZach on Oct 4, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
…the following players will be here in 09 and probably beyond with very little doubt:
Lee
Ramirez
Soriano
DeRosa
Fukudome
Soto
Zambrano
Harden
Lilly
Spellcheck
Marmol
Likely to return:
Wood
Fotenot
Marquis
These guys are up in the air either because of money demands or a desire to upgrade their positions:
Dempster
Theriot
Ward
Pie
Howry
If this post-season is determined to be a dissappointment, you can probably expect some changes depending on how much dough they have.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 4, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think you will have plenty of time
for this if and when they actually lose a playoff series. I just think some of you couldn’t wait for them to lose. Personally, I think they are going to win tonight. I think that is what Cub fans should be focused on today. Not this crap.
by Rick B on Oct 4, 2008 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear you Rick.
Some people just love to be miserable.
Let's take three...starting today!!
by sue369 on Oct 4, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs
let,s not put all this on kosuke,hendry,the goat or the black cat.this team has sucked horribly the last 2 games.they cant handle the postseason pressure. too bad since we had the pitching and the hitting.they,ll wrap it up saturday night.looks like bothe chicago teams are going home.can anyone actually tell me the rays have a better team???yet they,re having the time of their lives and getting the job done.
by NOMAR on Oct 4, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
team
maybe we could put together the teams you,re speculating on if every player did,nt make 10 million dollars or more.
by NOMAR on Oct 4, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We could put together a better team if we developed more of our own players.
It’s great to see Soto become a solid player and the seemingly miraculous performance of Theriot and Fontenot, scrapping against all odds, continues to amaze, but the team needs more talent overall from within. I still don’t understand what the Cubs view as a good baseball player. I was gld to see them put more value on players who can have disciplined ABs lately, but I think they failed to see the age, injury risk and lack of consistent production, or maybe they saw it and gambled that guys would keep it up? I can totally see the latter as a logical conclusion, because you just don’t go ut and get HOF players everyday. By that last comment I am not criticizing the Cubs for not getting Manny, maybe they tried and had nothing to offer?
The only thing that I can consistently say about Hendry is that he’s ready to over pay for past performance and his organization does a fantastic job of identifying MLB pitchers. Frankly, if we shop DLee this off season it tells me that we understand th improvements needed to get to the WS. I am not blaming DLee, what I am saying is we need a change in how we view the value of the player and right now DLee’s greatest value to us is in what he can bring us for the farm system. if we don’t seriously shop him it tells me same old approach of outspend other crappy teams in the NLCD with guys good enough to win the NLCD. That isn’t enough anymore.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 4, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
From a distance, I feel sorry for the city of Chicago.
It’s been a horrible postseason for both city teams. A fatalist would surely ask what did Chicago do to earn this fate?
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 4, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one word...OPRAH.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 4, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does she have a good slider?
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 4, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no...she is what Chicago did to earn this fate.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 4, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh well glad you cleared that up, let's send the linch mob to Harpo studios
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 4, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lynch mob?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 4, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my never thought of it that way, I was thinking more in the way of the Frankenstein monster lynch mob
I don’t want Jesse Jackson showing up at my door step with a CNN crew
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 4, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may be failing .. but the team isn't going to be blown up
The Cubs will be the same next year, barring some more wheeling and dealing.
Soriano – 100 million dollars of contract remain. When he’s hot, nobody’s saying nothing about it. We signed him knowing what he was. He will be there next year.
Theriot – An average guy who can on occasion play above average and stay there. His bat speaks for itself. He’s not going anywhere.
Fontenot – Ditto. He’s been a far more consistent pitch hitter than Daryl Ward has been. Besides, he rides better on Z’s back in the pregame ritual ..
That said, both men are great bargaining chips in a trade ..
Edmonds – Tough call. Will Felix Pie (another tempting trade offering) be once again anointed as the starting CF? The pennant push and the pressure cooker of the playoffs haven’t given him many opportunities to redeem himself after falling down earlier this year. Jimmy may not be back but I surely hope he’d agree to sign even if it means more bench time to keep platooning. It worked very well this year and he’s still got a couple more years in the tank. I don’t know if, during these waning years of his career, whether that’s a safe bet or not for him. I personally hope he’s like wearing Cubbie blue this year and will come back.
Johnson – Another toughie. I think Reed would want the CF job to stick around with the Cubs. Would he commit to platooning again? I doubt it. I am certain the NL took notice this year and he’s got a job anywhere he wants to go. We need to give him the job.
Fukudome – He ain’t going anywhere. His potential (and demonstrated ability) far exceeds his deficits this year. MLB pitching baffled him and if he’s the kind of guy that his career in Japan shows him to be, he’s going to work harder and more diligently this offseason to make the adjustments necessary. I think Fukudome will be a monster next year. The man is a pro.
Lee – Tough call but I can’t imagine the Cubs letting him go. Not yet. His defense is outstanding, his tragic mistake last Thursday night not withstanding. We know what he can do with his bat, but the batting title stroke has yet to return. The only adjustment I think I recall he said he made that year he won was that he was getting the bat off and around quicker then ever before. Is anyone above tweaking? No. Derrek also could use some help there. The Cubs should help him get it.
Hoffpauir – He’s almost there. He isn’t the defensive player Lee is but he’s still young and only game time will help him get better – and his bat is sorely needed RIGHT NOW. It would be an incentive to DLee that no one is expendable in this business if they platooned next year – having him start next year would send a HUGE message to this team.
Soto – Nuff said.
DeRo – Nuff said also. He ain’t going nowhere. I think after Soto he’ll give A-Ram a run for his money for Cubs MVP this year.
Ramirez – Ditto once more. His numbers the past few years speak for themselves.
Ward – Trade bait. He could become another Prince Fielder if he got playing time, which is why he’s been retained. He deserves a shot elsewhere if he wanted it and if DLee is going nowhere.
Cedeno – A useful utility player for the bench whose contributions, however great, don’t mean we can’t use him to get more depth. But frankly, if he’s too good to trade but not a candidate to start every day because of the options we have to cover his position, why let him go? Then again, the time is coming when he’ll want to go and there will be many teams in MLB who will gladly have him start.
The starting rotation of Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly and Marquis is set. The debate goes on over a fifth starter. Jason Marquis is going to become trade bait for another position player if anyone of quality comes along. Mike Marshall deserves the shot to get it once more.
Cotts and Gaudin could be up for grabs – they’ve been useful but far from dominating.
Wood – A no brainer. He’s proved this year that he could become the next Mariano Rivera. Is it possible that he could work his way back into becoming the fifth starter once again, ala Dempster? That seems too risky, but at his age, is it possible?
I don’t think Spellcheck’s going anywhere but Bobby Howry needs to be somewhere else, period.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Oct 4, 2008 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too long...
What did he say?
"Can that be used in a sentence now as a swear word? as in "That was the most White Sox White Soxing call I’ve ever White Sox seen in all my years of watching this White Sox game. White Sox it all to hell!" Weeghman Park
by derv on Oct 4, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Readers Digest version...
Soriano – stays (big contract)
DeRo – stays (team MVP)
Rammy- stays (best hitter)
Cedeno – stays (bench player – could be traded)
Rotation – set (Marquis coud be moved for a position player)
Ward, Cotts, Gaudin – (trade bait)
Wood – stays (proved he can close)
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 4, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn 't read the rest...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 4, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with some of that loooonnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg post.... BUT
Daryle Ward could be Prince Fielder??? Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………………….NO
by plenz on Oct 4, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
That might be the most ridiculous statement ever made on BCB.
Ward could be Prince Fielder if he had playing time. Wow.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 4, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Who is Mike Marshall?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 4, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he won the Cy Young back in the day for the Dodgers
funny throwing motion, if I remember right.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Oct 4, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Marshall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Marshall_(baseball_pitcher)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 4, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daryle is not THAT big.
I guess he could be Prince Fielder with a strict 5000 calorie a day diet of tofu and bean curd pie.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 4, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DWaryle could become another Prince Fielder?
Huh? You aware of the differences in their respective ages, right?
I'm open to a miracle.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DWaryle...
I like that.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Oct 4, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And without some tweaks, this team improves...
how?
You really want to sign Dempster who may have had his career year? Too much of a gamble.
The team had its’ shot. We are stuck with a few players, but it must upgrade at SS, CF and middle relief.
It also has to find a heart.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 4, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Lose, Cubs Lose
I made a trip to wrigley earlier this year and was face to face with the worst stadium, the worst, drunk, profane, fans and an overrated team. cubs fans should be classified as a cult. It doesn’t matter if the cubbies played baseball, croquet or tiddly winks the psychopaths who claim allegiance to the worst franchise in baseball history would still go to see them in an old, dirty, uncomfortable stadium. I’m glad you lost. I bet many of the cubs’ ownership are glad you lost. Winning neccessitates more winning and the long suffering cubs fan will go on suffering and that makes me almost as happy as my team winning. You’re not cursed, your owners know they don’t have to win, or get better, or build a decent stadium, or do anything to mess with the status quo of losing and being proud of a loyal fan base that accepts losing. You’re a bunch of losers, a century of losers, epic losers and on opening day you’ll be back in the lousy stadium, and the brainwashed fans will be saying for the 101st time in a row, “This is our Year” knowing you’re wrong and not caring as long as you get to root for your cubbies.
by napalmcheng on Oct 5, 2008 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like you...let's make out.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you took time out of your majestic life to register an account on a Cubs Blog
just to tell us we and our team suck….OK….you win. Somebody give this guy his prize.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Lose.....
It is obvious that you do not understand the love of the game of baseball nor have any clue as to the great history of the game.
by Arden on Oct 5, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd Be Wrong
I follow and cheer and respect the game of baseball. cubs fans don’t care about baseball, you care about the cubs. You disrespect the game more than any other franchise with a tradition of long suffering losers.
by napalmcheng on Oct 7, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you associating with us, then?
Go to your team’s blog, instead. Anyway, next time post what team you root for. Maybe someone can find fault with your team’s fans and stadium, as well. Oh, and get a life!
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 5, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truth
Many can’t see the forest for the trees. cubs fans can’t see the game because of their avid, psychopathic even sociopathic support for a team that don’t give a crap about fans. You’re embarrassing yourselves. Knock down your stadium, fire your owners, fire your fans and start anew. Demand a winner or no support from you.
by napalmcheng on Oct 7, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can fire the owners?...and ourselves?
What color is the sun on your planet?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 7, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is just out-for-a-reaction-guy
yer feeding the trolls. makes them fat and happy.
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 7, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rats..I was hoping you'd say it makes them smarter.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 7, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome
Don’t forget this was his rookie year-give him the winter and spring training next year and lets see what happens when the starting bell rings. If he comes out of the gate in 09 swinging like a gate then send him packing.
by Arden on Oct 5, 2008 1:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have waited for this moment since mid July. Revenge is a dish best served cold.You were swept by a mediocre Dodgers team. I find that poetic.
by napalmcheng on Oct 5, 2008 1:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are acting like we've never experienced losing before....
you must be dumber than I realized.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have proven my point. Thanks for the redemption.
by napalmcheng on Oct 5, 2008 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you are welcome....may I ask what you needed redeeming from?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redemption
Redemption is recovery of payment. I went to your lousy stadium and was treated poorly. You can come to my nice new stadium, and cubs fans often do, and you’ll be treated better as long as you behave yourselves.
by napalmcheng on Oct 7, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 7, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson...
was he not awesome and deserved more playing time than Fuk
by 949CubsFan on Oct 5, 2008 1:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least the Brewers won ONE postseason game this year...
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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